On 2017-03-21 1:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 19:33:23 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:04:30 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you think a 50$ bottle of chardonnay would enhance this meal,
>>>> feel free and we will kindly thank you for contributing but this is
>>>> a day for cider or guiness or other beers.
>>>
>>> I don't drink expensive wines myself. Australian wines already become
>>> drinkable at $5 (USD 4), but you have to know which ones to pick.
>>
>> Check out Jam Jar, a chiraz listed product from South Africa of all
>> places. Quite interesting! Well within a reasonable price zone
>> (locally about 6$). Carol (the local one, not me) brought that
>> yesterday. Most of it was left over as folks were more into beer (felt
>> traditional) but I and some others had some and liked it.
>>
>> Agreed on the OZ wines. They have some very decent table wine types.
>
> I've never seen SA wines in Australia. Or US wines. They must be
> available in corners of the big retailer shops where I don't look. The
> few times I tried US wines in the Netherlands, I liked them. SA wines
> not so much. But there are always exceptions.
>


SA?? South Africa? I have had a number of very good South African
wines. AAMOF, a good friend of ours is into wine in a big way and helps
to promote SA wines. He organizes tastings for them.

On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 18:33:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>My experience is that cheap Italian table wines are pretty bad.

Have you ever tried "Riunite Lambrusco"? The Coca-Cola of Italian
wines. For a rookie wine drinker, I think it tastes like Welches grape
juice with a hint of bitterness, to account for the alcohol content.

Mario Batali mentioned this on his tv show "The Chew".

William

On Friday, March 17, 2017 at 5:51:54 PM UTC-5, Travis McGee wrote:
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/o...ious-wine.html
>
>...

Drink whatever you like!

John Kuthe...

On 2017-03-22, William > wrote:
>
> Mario Batali mentioned this on his tv show "The Chew".

In what context? World's Worst Wine?

Reminds me of a line from Bones. Some guy who sells a heavily promo'd
crapy wine sez, "Everyone drinks blah-blah wine". To which Seeley
replies, "Everyone drinks blah-blah wine ....at least once."

They usta push Riunite On Ice. Or was it Freixenet? Either way, they
both sucked!

nb

On 2017-03-22 10:25 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-03-22, William > wrote:
>>
>> Mario Batali mentioned this on his tv show "The Chew".
>
> In what context? World's Worst Wine?
>
> Reminds me of a line from Bones. Some guy who sells a heavily promo'd
> crapy wine sez, "Everyone drinks blah-blah wine". To which Seeley
> replies, "Everyone drinks blah-blah wine ....at least once."
>
> They usta push Riunite On Ice. Or was it Freixenet? Either way, they
> both sucked!
>


You gotta know it is going to be great wine when it is being promoted to
drink with ice. Freixenet ranks up there with Prosseco as a cheap
substitute for champagne, and notice that I said a cheap substitute, not
a good one. If I were ever to serve Mimosas I would be more likely to
make them with Freixenet or some other cheap sparkling white. I see no
point in using an expensive champagne to make a slightly alcoholic Orangina.

On 3/22/2017 10:34 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>
>> They usta push Riunite On Ice. Or was it Freixenet? Either way, they
>> both sucked!
>>
>
>
> You gotta know it is going to be great wine when it is being promoted to
> drink with ice. Freixenet ranks up there with Prosseco as a cheap
> substitute for champagne, and notice that I said a cheap substitute, not
> a good one. If I were ever to serve Mimosas I would be more likely to
> make them with Freixenet or some other cheap sparkling white. I see no
> point in using an expensive champagne to make a slightly alcoholic
> Orangina.
>

Riunite on ice. Nice! was the commercial.

I don't like carbonated drinks much but my wife wanted prosecco for some
reasonably important celebration. I could not find one priced over $12
compared to Champagne that could go well over $100 for the good stuff.

On 2017-03-22 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 3/22/2017 10:34 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>
>>> They usta push Riunite On Ice. Or was it Freixenet? Either way, they
>>> both sucked!
>>>
>>
>>
>> You gotta know it is going to be great wine when it is being promoted to
>> drink with ice. Freixenet ranks up there with Prosseco as a cheap
>> substitute for champagne, and notice that I said a cheap substitute, not
>> a good one. If I were ever to serve Mimosas I would be more likely to
>> make them with Freixenet or some other cheap sparkling white. I see no
>> point in using an expensive champagne to make a slightly alcoholic
>> Orangina.
>>
>
> Riunite on ice. Nice! was the commercial.
>
> I don't like carbonated drinks much but my wife wanted prosecco for some
> reasonably important celebration. I could not find one priced over $12
> compared to Champagne that could go well over $100 for the good stuff.

Good champers is generally not liked that much by admass as they usually
prefer something that is off-dry.
When my sister married, my parents were advised to serve Verve Du Vernay
as the guests would prefer that to champers. They certainly did!! My
father regretted not serving champagne as most would have taken a few
sips for the toasts and the drinks bill would have been significantly lower.
Graham

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:44:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 3/22/2017 10:34 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>
>>> They usta push Riunite On Ice. Or was it Freixenet? Either way, they
>>> both sucked!
>>>
>>
>>
>> You gotta know it is going to be great wine when it is being promoted to
>> drink with ice. Freixenet ranks up there with Prosseco as a cheap
>> substitute for champagne, and notice that I said a cheap substitute, not
>> a good one. If I were ever to serve Mimosas I would be more likely to
>> make them with Freixenet or some other cheap sparkling white. I see no
>> point in using an expensive champagne to make a slightly alcoholic
>> Orangina.
>>
>
>Riunite on ice. Nice! was the commercial.
>
>I don't like carbonated drinks much but my wife wanted prosecco for some
>reasonably important celebration. I could not find one priced over $12
>compared to Champagne that could go well over $100 for the good stuff.

are you talking about real Champagne or bubbly?

notbob wrote:
> On 2017-03-22, William > wrote:
>>
>> Mario Batali mentioned this on his tv show "The Chew".
>
> In what context? World's Worst Wine?
>
> Reminds me of a line from Bones. Some guy who sells a heavily promo'd
> crapy wine sez, "Everyone drinks blah-blah wine". To which Seeley
> replies, "Everyone drinks blah-blah wine ....at least once."
>
> They usta push Riunite On Ice. Or was it Freixenet? Either way, they
> both sucked!
>
> nb

that's nice!

On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 09:45:54 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:44:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 3/22/2017 10:34 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> They usta push Riunite On Ice. Or was it Freixenet? Either way, they
>>>> both sucked!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You gotta know it is going to be great wine when it is being promoted to
>>> drink with ice. Freixenet ranks up there with Prosseco as a cheap
>>> substitute for champagne, and notice that I said a cheap substitute, not
>>> a good one. If I were ever to serve Mimosas I would be more likely to
>>> make them with Freixenet or some other cheap sparkling white. I see no
>>> point in using an expensive champagne to make a slightly alcoholic
>>> Orangina.
>>>
>>
>>Riunite on ice. Nice! was the commercial.
>>
>>I don't like carbonated drinks much but my wife wanted prosecco for some
>>reasonably important celebration. I could not find one priced over $12
>>compared to Champagne that could go well over $100 for the good stuff.
>
>are you talking about real Champagne or bubbly?

For my elder daughters wedding we served masses of Henckel Troken,
recommended to me by a Canadian wine taster of the year. Best tip we
ever had, nice price tag and to this day if I have to drink white wine
or champagne, that is what I will pick as my choice. He did
acknowledge a slight difference in flavour, ever so slight, between
that and Moet, but too slight for anyone to be able to tell the
difference after one glass.

On 2017-03-22 10:54 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-03-22 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 3/22/2017 10:34 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> They usta push Riunite On Ice. Or was it Freixenet? Either way, they
>>>> both sucked!
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You gotta know it is going to be great wine when it is being promoted to
>>> drink with ice. Freixenet ranks up there with Prosseco as a cheap
>>> substitute for champagne, and notice that I said a cheap substitute, not
>>> a good one. If I were ever to serve Mimosas I would be more likely to
>>> make them with Freixenet or some other cheap sparkling white. I see no
>>> point in using an expensive champagne to make a slightly alcoholic
>>> Orangina.
>>>
>>
>> Riunite on ice. Nice! was the commercial.
>>
>> I don't like carbonated drinks much but my wife wanted prosecco for some
>> reasonably important celebration. I could not find one priced over $12
>> compared to Champagne that could go well over $100 for the good stuff.
>
> Good champers is generally not liked that much by admass as they usually
> prefer something that is off-dry.
> When my sister married, my parents were advised to serve Verve Du Vernay
> as the guests would prefer that to champers. They certainly did!! My
> father regretted not serving champagne as most would have taken a few
> sips for the toasts and the drinks bill would have been significantly
> lower.

I looked it up online and it was referred to by a wine reviewer and it
was reported to be under $11 a bottle, but it is not in stock at any
LCBO stores. The cheapest champagne it carries is about $40.

I have certainly had my share of cheap bubbly wines and used to think
they are palatable enough... until I had real French Champagne. It
boggles me to think that people would prefer the cheap stuff, and I
can't imagine how much they would have to drink to run up a higher bar
bill on cheap swill than the stuff that costs at least 5 times as much.

On 22 Mar 2017 14:25:29 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>In what context? World's Worst Wine?
he was drinking it while he was cooking...just pointing out the fact
that it is the "main table wine" in Italy

William