On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 23:43:12 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>Sorry to burst your gullible bubble. If you want to believe this
>"nitrate-free" bullshit, then by all means knock yourself out. But
>don't be getting all indignant with people who know the truth about
>these products.

Angry little man gets angry.

Sqwertz > wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 15:30:45 -0500, jinx the minx wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure I've ever seen foods labeled as "nitrate free". I think it's
>> more a case of the consumer reading "no added nitrates other than those
>> occurring in celery juice" or "nitrate free except for ...." and concluding
>> themselves that what they're eating is somehow nitrate free when the
>> reality is that it isn't.
>
> Yes, the terms you see are "no nitrates added (except for...)" and
> that's often coupled with the term "uncured" (which is also untrue).
> Cherry extract/juice is another one used for it's nitrates along with
> celery.
>
> Fact is, the average person (who does not avoid cured meats) gets more
> than 80% of their nitrates from vegetables. Not from cured meats.
>
> It's all a marketing hoax for gullible people.
>
> -sw
>

Agreed.

--
jinx the minx

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 7:04:24 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 3:30:48 PM UTC-5, Jinx the Minx wrote:
> >
> > I'm not sure I've ever seen foods labeled as "nitrate free". I think it's
> > more a case of the consumer reading "no added nitrates other than those
> > occurring in celery juice" or "nitrate free except for ...." and concluding
> > themselves that what they're eating is somehow nitrate free when the
> > reality is that it isn't. It's only that the nitrates added are naturally
> > occurring in those added food substances (celery juice/salt, etc.) and not
> > artificially generated. Sometimes that "naturally occurring" nitrate load
> > in uncured meats is higher than it would be in the cured version. People
> > believe what they want to believe.
> >
> > --
> > jinx the minx
> >
> >
> I could be entirely wrong but I don't think 'naturally occurring'
> nitrites or nitrates are higher or as high in levels than meats
> preserved WITH nitrites or nitrates. With no added nitrites or
> nitrates I suppose that's the reason the Applegate pepperoni is
> only available in the refrigerated case and has to be kept
> refrigerated vs. Hormel shelf stable pepperonis.

Because this is behind a paywall:

When we fried up strips of our favorite supermarket bacon, Farmland Hickory Smoked, along with Farmland All-Natural Uncured Bacon (€œno nitrate or nitrite added€�), tasters found the samples virtually identical in taste and texture.
To quantify the nitrite and nitrate levels in these bacons, we sent three packages of each type to a lab for testing. For comparison, we also sent three packages of the Best Buy from our tasting of artisanal bacon, Applegate Farms Uncured Sunday Bacon (labeled €œno nitrites added€�). As we expected, all of the bacons contained nitrite and nitrate, and the nitrite levels were well within U.S. Department of Agriculture guidelines of no more than 120 parts per million (ppm). But to our surprise, the uncured bacons actually had higher levels of nitrite than the cured meat: Farmland Hickory Smoked Bacon registered an average of 9.7 ppm nitrite (and 48 ppm nitrate), while its All-Natural counterpart showed an average of 16.3 ppm nitrite (and 10.3 ppm nitrate). And the Applegate Farms Uncured Sunday Bacon averaged more than three times the level of the regular bacon: 35 ppm nitrite (and nearly as much nitrate, at 44.3 ppm).

The source for that is:
<https://www.cooksillustrated.com/how_tos/5734-nitrate-free-bacon>

Bon appetit!

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/3/2017 11:58 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Apr 2017 13:17:02 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 5:37:21 AM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sun, 2 Apr 2017 20:07:44 -0700 (PDT), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I just pulled a package of Applegate naturals out of the
>>>> refrigerator. It's labeled uncured pepperoni and I quote directly
>>> >from the package: "No nitrites or nitrates added except for those
>>>> naturally occurring in sea salt and celery powder." No antibiotics
>>>> used, humanely raised and gluten & casein free.
>>>>
>>>> Don't believe everything the Squirt spouts out to be false. P.s.
>>>> The stuff makes a great addition to grilled cheese sandwiches.
>>>
>>> Maybe the difference is that yours isn't cured.
>>>
>>>
>> Exactly.
>
> Say what? That makes no sense. You don't even know what 'cured'
> means.
>
> -sw
>

Could be confusing.
http://www.meatmythcrushers.com/myth...isleading.html
Currently USDA regulations require that meats cured with celery powder
to be called “uncured” to distinguish them from conventionally cured
products. Packages of meats cured with celery powder often say “No
nitrates or nitrites added,” but also contain a statement “other than
those which naturally occur in celery powder.” Many in the food
industry believe a more accurate way to describe the products would be
to call them “cured,” but still must comply with the regulations as
written, which require them to be called “uncured.”

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 8:51:51 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 2:32:14 PM UTC-4, Roy wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:04:27 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
> > > On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 03:34:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > > But to our surprise,
> > > > the uncured bacons actually had higher levels of nitrite than the
> > > > cured meat: Farmland Hickory Smoked Bacon registered an average of
> > > > 9.7 ppm nitrite (and 48 ppm nitrate), while its All-Natural
> > > > counterpart showed an average of 16.3 ppm nitrite (and 10.3 ppm
> > > > nitrate). And the Applegate Farms Uncured Sunday Bacon averaged
> > > > more than three times the level of the regular bacon: 35 ppm
> > > > nitrite (and nearly as much nitrate, at 44.3 ppm).
> > >
> > > Oops! :-)
> > >
> > > Also note that the Farmland bacon contains Sodium Erythorbate, which
> > > is required by law to be added to cut down significantly on the
> > > cancer-causing nitrosamine formation.
> > >
> > > Ingredients:
> > > https://www.walmart.com/ip/Farmland-...16-oz/10403359
> > >
> > > The Applegate Farms Sunday Bacon has *no* erythorbates, which means
> > > you're getting 50X more nitrosamines by cooking and eating Applegate
> > > Farms bacon rather than Farmland's (or any other traditional bacon).
> > >
> > > Ingredients:
> > > http://applegate.com/products/organic-sunday-bacon
> > >
> > > Oops again!
> > >
> > > That nitrate-free crap will kill you faster than normal bacon.
> > >
> > > -sw
> >
> > So don't eat it then...nobody is forcing you.
>
> True. But people are essentially being lied to because
> of lax labeling laws in the U.S.
>
> If I thought nitrates/nitrites were harmful, I simply
> wouldn't eat bacon, salami, etc.
>
> Perhaps I'll have BLT for dinner.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

This is why I never want to know what's in the foods I eat. Mostly, just it ruins my well built fantasy.

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 15:38:26 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 8:51:51 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 2:32:14 PM UTC-4, Roy wrote:

>> > So don't eat it then...nobody is forcing you.
>>
>> True. But people are essentially being lied to because
>> of lax labeling laws in the U.S.
>>
>> If I thought nitrates/nitrites were harmful, I simply
>> wouldn't eat bacon, salami, etc.
>>
>> Perhaps I'll have BLT for dinner.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>This is why I never want to know what's in the foods I eat. Mostly, just it ruins my well built fantasy.

I'm guessing that some people care more about the fuel they put in
their car than about the food they eat.

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:32:14 PM UTC-5, Roy wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 12:04:27 PM UTC-6, Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 03:34:14 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > > But to our surprise,
> > > the uncured bacons actually had higher levels of nitrite than the
> > > cured meat: Farmland Hickory Smoked Bacon registered an average of
> > > 9.7 ppm nitrite (and 48 ppm nitrate), while its All-Natural
> > > counterpart showed an average of 16.3 ppm nitrite (and 10.3 ppm
> > > nitrate). And the Applegate Farms Uncured Sunday Bacon averaged
> > > more than three times the level of the regular bacon: 35 ppm
> > > nitrite (and nearly as much nitrate, at 44.3 ppm).
> >
> > Oops! :-)
> >
> > Also note that the Farmland bacon contains Sodium Erythorbate, which
> > is required by law to be added to cut down significantly on the
> > cancer-causing nitrosamine formation.
> >
> > Ingredients:
> > https://www.walmart.com/ip/Farmland-...16-oz/10403359
> >
> > The Applegate Farms Sunday Bacon has *no* erythorbates, which means
> > you're getting 50X more nitrosamines by cooking and eating Applegate
> > Farms bacon rather than Farmland's (or any other traditional bacon).
> >
> > Ingredients:
> > http://applegate.com/products/organic-sunday-bacon
> >
> > Oops again!
> >
> > That nitrate-free crap will kill you faster than normal bacon.
> >
> > -sw
>
> So don't eat it then...nobody is forcing you.
>
>
AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!

I don't recall anyone here stating another person is
holding a gun to their head forcing them to consume
any of these products.

On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 20:30:56 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:32:14 PM UTC-5, Roy wrote:
>
>> So don't eat it then...nobody is forcing you.
>>
>>
> AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
>
> I don't recall anyone here stating another person is
> holding a gun to their head forcing them to consume
> any of these products.

Oh, please <rolling eyes>. The subject at hand was about the
deceptive marketing of the products (which you refused to believe).
Personal preferences had nothing to do with this.

It figures you would try to latch on to such a stupid comment to try
and raise your head above the water (and from Roy the troll, no less).

-sw

Sqwertz wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 20:30:56 -0700 (PDT),
> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:32:14 PM UTC-5, Roy wrote:
> >
> >> So don't eat it then...nobody is forcing you.
> >>
> >>
> > AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
> >
> > I don't recall anyone here stating another person is
> > holding a gun to their head forcing them to consume
> > any of these products.
>
> Oh, please <rolling eyes>. The subject at hand was about the
> deceptive marketing of the products (which you refused to believe).
> Personal preferences had nothing to do with this.
>
> It figures you would try to latch on to such a stupid comment to try
> and raise your head above the water (and from Roy the troll, no less).



Steve, have you tried ************ as a relief from your choleric life...???


--
Best
Greg

The Greatest Hog! > pretended :
> Steve, have you tried ************ as a relief from your choleric life
> ...???
>

Your pappy ****ed a pig to produce you, hog-head!

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On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 12:27:50 PM UTC-5, The Greatest! wrote:
>
> Sqwertz wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 20:30:56 -0700 (PDT),
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 1:32:14 PM UTC-5, Roy wrote:
> > >
> > >> So don't eat it then...nobody is forcing you.
> > >>
> > >>
> > > AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN! AMEN!
> > >
> > > I don't recall anyone here stating another person is
> > > holding a gun to their head forcing them to consume
> > > any of these products.
> >
> > Oh, please <rolling eyes>. The subject at hand was about the
> > deceptive marketing of the products (which you refused to believe).
> > Personal preferences had nothing to do with this.
> >
> > It figures you would try to latch on to such a stupid comment to try
> > and raise your head above the water (and from Roy the troll, no less).
>
>
>
> Steve, have you tried ************ as a relief from your choleric life...???
>
> Best
> Greg
>
>
HAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!