On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 10:59:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:04:17 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/2017 10:07 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2017 4:10 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and
>>>> animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was
>>>> not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The
>>>> immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions when
>>>> they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture. Ain't
>>>> nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
>>>>
>>>
>>> Shave ice is not indigenous? Who brought it?
>>
>> LOL Ed!
>>
>> The Hawaiian Islands sprung up as a result of volcanic activity on the
>> floor of the Pacific ocean. And of course, nothing natural ever grew
>> out of rich volcanic soil. Nope, no fruits, no plants. It was just a
>> bunch of rocks.
>
>There are still a lot of native species of plants, insects, and sea
>life (including freshwater fish) native to Hawaii. They morphed into
>species endemic only to Hawaii. Many are extinct or threatened
>(thanks to relatively new introduced species), but a few still exist.
>Not much in the way of mammals though. Those take much longer to
>evolve and/or discover and populate such young, remote islands.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemi...waiian_Islands
>
>That that "endemic" species are even more strict than "native".
>Endemic species evolved in and are exclusive to a smaller region or
>area. While "native" are non-exclusive and usually evolved someplace
>else. Only some of that list are also "native". One could argue that
>everything is endemic, and nothing on the planet is truly native.
>
>-sw

you forgot about the human species managing to get there. I am always
amazed at the bravery of humans setting off in a boat on a big body of
water and landing somewhere. I'm sure there are many that tried,
never made it and are forgotten, but still. Hawaii, Easter Island,
the Americas, etc.. Just wow!
Janet US

On 4/6/2017 12:33 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 10:59:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:04:17 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/6/2017 10:07 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 4/6/2017 4:10 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and
>>>>> animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was
>>>>> not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The
>>>>> immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions when
>>>>> they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture. Ain't
>>>>> nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shave ice is not indigenous? Who brought it?
>>>
>>> LOL Ed!
>>>
>>> The Hawaiian Islands sprung up as a result of volcanic activity on the
>>> floor of the Pacific ocean. And of course, nothing natural ever grew
>>> out of rich volcanic soil. Nope, no fruits, no plants. It was just a
>>> bunch of rocks.
>>
>> There are still a lot of native species of plants, insects, and sea
>> life (including freshwater fish) native to Hawaii. They morphed into
>> species endemic only to Hawaii. Many are extinct or threatened
>> (thanks to relatively new introduced species), but a few still exist.
>> Not much in the way of mammals though. Those take much longer to
>> evolve and/or discover and populate such young, remote islands.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemi...waiian_Islands
>>
>> That that "endemic" species are even more strict than "native".
>> Endemic species evolved in and are exclusive to a smaller region or
>> area. While "native" are non-exclusive and usually evolved someplace
>> else. Only some of that list are also "native". One could argue that
>> everything is endemic, and nothing on the planet is truly native.
>>
>> -sw
>
> you forgot about the human species managing to get there. I am always
> amazed at the bravery of humans setting off in a boat on a big body of
> water and landing somewhere. I'm sure there are many that tried,
> never made it and are forgotten, but still. Hawaii, Easter Island,
> the Americas, etc.. Just wow!
> Janet US
>
Couple of years ago there was something on TV about the islanders and
navigation. They can instinctively travel hundreds of miles in open sea
and find there way. Not even a compass.

Think even the ships traveling the world a few hundred years ago. I
have to wonder if any just got plain lost along the way and ended up on
the wrong continent. .

On 4/6/2017 12:33 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 10:59:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:04:17 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/6/2017 10:07 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 4/6/2017 4:10 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and
>>>>> animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was
>>>>> not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The
>>>>> immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions when
>>>>> they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture. Ain't
>>>>> nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Shave ice is not indigenous? Who brought it?
>>>
>>> LOL Ed!
>>>
>>> The Hawaiian Islands sprung up as a result of volcanic activity on the
>>> floor of the Pacific ocean. And of course, nothing natural ever grew
>>> out of rich volcanic soil. Nope, no fruits, no plants. It was just a
>>> bunch of rocks.
>>
>> There are still a lot of native species of plants, insects, and sea
>> life (including freshwater fish) native to Hawaii. They morphed into
>> species endemic only to Hawaii. Many are extinct or threatened
>> (thanks to relatively new introduced species), but a few still exist.
>> Not much in the way of mammals though. Those take much longer to
>> evolve and/or discover and populate such young, remote islands.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemi...waiian_Islands
>>
>> That that "endemic" species are even more strict than "native".
>> Endemic species evolved in and are exclusive to a smaller region or
>> area. While "native" are non-exclusive and usually evolved someplace
>> else. Only some of that list are also "native". One could argue that
>> everything is endemic, and nothing on the planet is truly native.
>>
>> -sw
>
> you forgot about the human species managing to get there. I am always
> amazed at the bravery of humans setting off in a boat on a big body of
> water and landing somewhere. I'm sure there are many that tried,
> never made it and are forgotten, but still. Hawaii, Easter Island,
> the Americas, etc.. Just wow!
> Janet US
>
Exploration and settlement is what the world is about. Would I want to
be on a ship to a new world back in those early days? Nope.

I would not want to hop on a ship in the era of clipper ships and wind
jammers and try to establish a settlement on some unexplored islands.
But it's fascinating to think about. And someone did it at some point.

My parents lived on Oahu before I was born. Their neighbor was
Japanese. I'm told she used to stomp on really big snails on her patio
in the morning. Barefoot. Sounds disgusting to me. Ai yai!

Someone had to navigate to those islands. And yes, I'm sure plant life
popped up all by itself. Volcanic soil is very rich.

Sea birds carry seeds and birds can fly for thousands of miles when they
migrate. Coffee, breadfruit, pineapples, fruit trees. Initially
imported, probably. Economically important and cultivated, absolutely.

There are many ways these Hawaiian islands became the most expensive
expanse of real estate in the US.

Jill

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 10:59:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:04:17 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 4/6/2017 10:07 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/6/2017 4:10 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and
>>>> animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was
>>>> not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The
>>>> immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions when
>>>> they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture. Ain't
>>>> nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
>>>>
>>>
>>> Shave ice is not indigenous? Who brought it?
>>
>> LOL Ed!
>>
>> The Hawaiian Islands sprung up as a result of volcanic activity on the
>> floor of the Pacific ocean. And of course, nothing natural ever grew
>> out of rich volcanic soil. Nope, no fruits, no plants. It was just a
>> bunch of rocks.
>
>There are still a lot of native species of plants, insects, and sea
>life (including freshwater fish) native to Hawaii. They morphed into
>species endemic only to Hawaii. Many are extinct or threatened
>(thanks to relatively new introduced species), but a few still exist.
>Not much in the way of mammals though. Those take much longer to
>evolve and/or discover and populate such young, remote islands.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemi...waiian_Islands
>
>That that "endemic" species are even more strict than "native".
>Endemic species evolved in and are exclusive to a smaller region or
>area. While "native" are non-exclusive and usually evolved someplace
>else. Only some of that list are also "native". One could argue that
>everything is endemic, and nothing on the planet is truly native.
>
>-sw

you forgot about the human species managing to get there. I am always
amazed at the bravery of humans setting off in a boat on a big body of
water and landing somewhere. I'm sure there are many that tried,
never made it and are forgotten, but still. Hawaii, Easter Island,
the Americas, etc.. Just wow!
Janet US

==

+1



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 4/6/2017 12:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/6/2017 12:33 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 10:59:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:04:17 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/6/2017 10:07 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 4/6/2017 4:10 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and
>>>>>> animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was
>>>>>> not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The
>>>>>> immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions when
>>>>>> they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture. Ain't
>>>>>> nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Shave ice is not indigenous? Who brought it?
>>>>
>>>> LOL Ed!
>>>>
>>>> The Hawaiian Islands sprung up as a result of volcanic activity on the
>>>> floor of the Pacific ocean. And of course, nothing natural ever grew
>>>> out of rich volcanic soil. Nope, no fruits, no plants. It was just a
>>>> bunch of rocks.
>>>
>>> There are still a lot of native species of plants, insects, and sea
>>> life (including freshwater fish) native to Hawaii. They morphed into
>>> species endemic only to Hawaii. Many are extinct or threatened
>>> (thanks to relatively new introduced species), but a few still exist.
>>> Not much in the way of mammals though. Those take much longer to
>>> evolve and/or discover and populate such young, remote islands.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemi...waiian_Islands
>>>
>>> That that "endemic" species are even more strict than "native".
>>> Endemic species evolved in and are exclusive to a smaller region or
>>> area. While "native" are non-exclusive and usually evolved someplace
>>> else. Only some of that list are also "native". One could argue that
>>> everything is endemic, and nothing on the planet is truly native.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> you forgot about the human species managing to get there. I am always
>> amazed at the bravery of humans setting off in a boat on a big body of
>> water and landing somewhere. I'm sure there are many that tried,
>> never made it and are forgotten, but still. Hawaii, Easter Island,
>> the Americas, etc.. Just wow!
>> Janet US
>>
> Couple of years ago there was something on TV about the islanders and
> navigation. They can instinctively travel hundreds of miles in open sea
> and find there way. Not even a compass.
>
> Think even the ships traveling the world a few hundred years ago. I
> have to wonder if any just got plain lost along the way and ended up on
> the wrong continent. .

You mean like Christopher Columbus? He set sail for China or someplace
in Asia. He thought he landed in India... oops! He called the Native
Americans "Indians". Or so I was taught in grade school.

Jill

On 4/6/2017 1:02 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/6/2017 12:33 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 10:59:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:04:17 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/6/2017 10:07 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 4/6/2017 4:10 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and
>>>>>> animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was
>>>>>> not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The
>>>>>> immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions when
>>>>>> they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture. Ain't
>>>>>> nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Shave ice is not indigenous? Who brought it?
>>>>
>>>> LOL Ed!
>>>>
>>>> The Hawaiian Islands sprung up as a result of volcanic activity on the
>>>> floor of the Pacific ocean. And of course, nothing natural ever grew
>>>> out of rich volcanic soil. Nope, no fruits, no plants. It was just a
>>>> bunch of rocks.
>>>
>>> There are still a lot of native species of plants, insects, and sea
>>> life (including freshwater fish) native to Hawaii. They morphed into
>>> species endemic only to Hawaii. Many are extinct or threatened
>>> (thanks to relatively new introduced species), but a few still exist.
>>> Not much in the way of mammals though. Those take much longer to
>>> evolve and/or discover and populate such young, remote islands.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemi...waiian_Islands
>>>
>>> That that "endemic" species are even more strict than "native".
>>> Endemic species evolved in and are exclusive to a smaller region or
>>> area. While "native" are non-exclusive and usually evolved someplace
>>> else. Only some of that list are also "native". One could argue that
>>> everything is endemic, and nothing on the planet is truly native.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> you forgot about the human species managing to get there. I am always
>> amazed at the bravery of humans setting off in a boat on a big body of
>> water and landing somewhere. I'm sure there are many that tried,
>> never made it and are forgotten, but still. Hawaii, Easter Island,
>> the Americas, etc.. Just wow!
>> Janet US
>>
> Exploration and settlement is what the world is about. Would I want to
> be on a ship to a new world back in those early days? Nope.
>
> I would not want to hop on a ship in the era of clipper ships and wind
> jammers and try to establish a settlement on some unexplored islands.
> But it's fascinating to think about. And someone did it at some point.
>
>
> Someone had to navigate to those islands. And yes, I'm sure plant life
> popped up all by itself. Volcanic soil is very rich.
>
> Sea birds carry seeds and birds can fly for thousands of miles when they
> migrate. Coffee, breadfruit, pineapples, fruit trees. Initially
> imported, probably. Economically important and cultivated, absolutely.
>
> There are many ways these Hawaiian islands became the most expensive
> expanse of real estate in the US.
>
> Jill

I forgot to mention bananas. Perhaps all these products were
"introduced" to Hawaii. But I don't see any devaluation of Hawaii real
estate as a result of that rich soil.

Kona Coffee? (Dee hasn't posted for a while. I'm not a coffee drinker
but I know she grows and sells good Hawaiian coffee.)

Jill

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 12:02:59 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:50:40 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > >I wanted to make a Chicago style pizza that was sorta true to form but
> > >let's face it,
> > >I have as much chance of making a real one as someone from the mainland
> > >making
> > >real huli huli chicken.
> >
> > Puhleeze... Chicago pizza is really a deep dish caserole made with
> > lots of Guido ingredients piled on thick, it's essentially an upside
> > down dago pot pie.
> >
> > And from what I've read here Huli Huli Chicken ain't much different
> > from deli rotisserie chicken, in fact most deli rotisserie chicken is
> > much better. Just because yoose cook everything with pineapple
> > doesn't make it Hawaiian... pineapple was a reletively recent Central
> > American import, there's nothing Hawaiian about pineapple. Hawaii
> > really has no native food crop, weren't for coconut and seafood yoose
> > would've all starved long ago... and coconut is really seafood, no one
> > knows where coconut is native, it's been traveling the world via the
> > seas forever. There's no such thing as Hawaiian food other than those
> > disgusting taro roots, and that's not native to Hawaii either:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taro
> > The only food that Hawaii can lay claim to is their national meat.
> > Hormel Spam.
>
> Beats the heck out of me why people have to pose as experts in things they
> know nothing about. I got a better chance of being a guru on the traditions
> and foods of Brooklyn than yoose on the subject of anything Hawaiian.
>
> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and animal
> here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was not native to
> these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The immigrants to these islands
> brought their foods and traditions when they arrived and we embraced the
> peoples and their culture. Ain't nobody telling anybody to go back where
> they came from.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
>
> ====
>
> Oh my!!!! I've never heard of all that before) Sounds pretty amazing
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

The energy and creativity of the younger generation is most wonderful and, as you say, amazing.

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 12:42:26 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 4:10:11 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and animal here had to be introduced.
>
> All land sprang out of the middle of nowhere. The continents just did
> it a lot earlier.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

My point was that life did not appear spontaneously and evolved in Hawaii as it did with most of the land of planet earth. All living things on this rock had to be shipped in.

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 4:08:01 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/6/2017 4:10 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions when they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture. Ain't nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
> >
>
> Shave ice is not indigenous? Who brought it?

Thank you for not writing "shaved ice."

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 6:33:36 AM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 10:59:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:04:17 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/6/2017 10:07 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 4/6/2017 4:10 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and
> >>>> animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was
> >>>> not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The
> >>>> immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions when
> >>>> they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture. Ain't
> >>>> nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Shave ice is not indigenous? Who brought it?
> >>
> >> LOL Ed!
> >>
> >> The Hawaiian Islands sprung up as a result of volcanic activity on the
> >> floor of the Pacific ocean. And of course, nothing natural ever grew
> >> out of rich volcanic soil. Nope, no fruits, no plants. It was just a
> >> bunch of rocks.
> >
> >There are still a lot of native species of plants, insects, and sea
> >life (including freshwater fish) native to Hawaii. They morphed into
> >species endemic only to Hawaii. Many are extinct or threatened
> >(thanks to relatively new introduced species), but a few still exist.
> >Not much in the way of mammals though. Those take much longer to
> >evolve and/or discover and populate such young, remote islands.
> >
> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemi...waiian_Islands
> >
> >That that "endemic" species are even more strict than "native".
> >Endemic species evolved in and are exclusive to a smaller region or
> >area. While "native" are non-exclusive and usually evolved someplace
> >else. Only some of that list are also "native". One could argue that
> >everything is endemic, and nothing on the planet is truly native.
> >
> >-sw
>
> you forgot about the human species managing to get there. I am always
> amazed at the bravery of humans setting off in a boat on a big body of
> water and landing somewhere. I'm sure there are many that tried,
> never made it and are forgotten, but still. Hawaii, Easter Island,
> the Americas, etc.. Just wow!
> Janet US

I wouldn't try it myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmOccL4pT_Q

On 4/6/2017 1:59 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 13:44:50 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Kona Coffee? (Dee hasn't posted for a while. I'm not a coffee drinker
>> but I know she grows and sells good Hawaiian coffee.)
>
> I saw Cea/Cecelia (not Dee) in RFC on Facebook yesterday. Hadn't seen
> her name for a while prior to that.
>
> -sw
>
Sorry, you're right. Cea. Kona Coffee.

Jill

dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:50:40 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > I wanted to make a Chicago style pizza that was sorta true to
> > > form but let's face it, I have as much chance of making a real
> > > one as someone from the mainland making real huli huli chicken.
> >
> > Puhleeze... Chicago pizza is really a deep dish caserole made with
> > lots of Guido ingredients piled on thick, it's essentially an upside
> > down dago pot pie.
> >
> > And from what I've read here Huli Huli Chicken ain't much different
> > from deli rotisserie chicken, in fact most deli rotisserie chicken
> > is much better. Just because yoose cook everything with pineapple
> > doesn't make it Hawaiian... pineapple was a reletively recent
> > Central American import, there's nothing Hawaiian about pineapple.
> > Hawaii really has no native food crop, weren't for coconut and
> > seafood yoose would've all starved long ago... and coconut is
> > really seafood, no one knows where coconut is native, it's been
> > traveling the world via the seas forever. There's no such thing as
> > Hawaiian food other than those disgusting taro roots, and that's
> > not native to Hawaii either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taro
> > The only food that Hawaii can lay claim to is their national meat.
> > Hormel Spam.
>
> Beats the heck out of me why people have to pose as experts in things
> they know nothing about. I got a better chance of being a guru on the
> traditions and foods of Brooklyn than yoose on the subject of
> anything Hawaiian.
>
> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and
> animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was
> not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The
> immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions when
> they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture. Ain't
> nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s

LOL! I am with ya on Hawaii tradition but not that a person can't make
a recipe from there. They can, if they can get the right ingredients.
Some have to be adapted from however like your 'tub of miso'. Thats
unique in how it's done there. Elsewhere, it is a thick paste. I can
tell from Hari Kojima recipes your 'tub' has to be something like a
watered down or partly fermented and much more liquid soy paste.

I only got curious about that one item after I left Hawaii and don't
recall seeing it when there but then, I wasnt looking specifically for
it.


--

wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> >
> >A meat loaf sandwich is good enough but I'd rather take it
> >to the top level and heat it up to eat plain or with sides again.
> >I've never been able to freeze meat loaf either. It's so damn good,
> >I'll just repeat meals until it's all gone.
>
> You must make puny sized meat loaves, I never make meat loaf with less
> than 5lbs of home ground, never nystery meat. Meat loaf sandwiches
> (hot/cold) are wonderful with horseradish sauce.

I do make small ones....1.5 pounds to 2 lbs. Not enough. Next time
I'll make a 3-4 pound one. I do love the stuff.

The mystery meat from the grocery store is the best part, Sheldon.
You are missing out on that special taste by grinding your own.

Will never again waste meatloaf on a sandwich. Not a bad
sandwich...it's just better to eat heated up and plain.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 2:44:06 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 15:18:25 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >The thing about a Chicago style pizza is that it has the sauce on the top crust. I think it would be better to put the sauce in the bottom but I don't make the rules, Chicago does.
> >
> > It's to keep the cheese from burning. The inches thick pizza needs a
> > long cook time and the cheese on top would burn.
> > Janet US
>
> That makes sense. I had it in the toaster oven for 30 minutes at 325 degrees. That's a long time for a pizza.

I always cook a normal pizza for 20 minutes at 450f.
Turns out perfect every time.

On 2017-04-06 12:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Couple of years ago there was something on TV about the islanders and
> navigation. They can instinctively travel hundreds of miles in open sea
> and find there way. Not even a compass.

Sailing a couple hundred miles in the Pacific without a compass would be
quite a feat on its own. Finding something in the Pacific can require
thousands of miles.




> Think even the ships traveling the world a few hundred years ago. I
> have to wonder if any just got plain lost along the way and ended up on
> the wrong continent. .

Columbus found the wrong continent. He was looking for Asia. Some
explorers never made it back. Henry Hudson was trying to find the
northwest passage. His crew mutinied and left him adrift in the bay that
is named for him. Captain Cook was killed by the Hawaiians. Magellan
made the mistake of taking on a Mogul chief in the Philippines and the
natives chopped him up into fish food.

On 4/6/2017 2:05 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/6/2017 1:59 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 13:44:50 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>> Kona Coffee? (Dee hasn't posted for a while. I'm not a coffee drinker
>>> but I know she grows and sells good Hawaiian coffee.)
>>
>> I saw Cea/Cecelia (not Dee) in RFC on Facebook yesterday. Hadn't seen
>> her name for a while prior to that.
>>
>> -sw
>>
> Sorry, you're right. Cea. Kona Coffee.
>
> Jill

I don't drink coffee but I made a pot of Cea's Kona for my wife this
morning. She likes it. I buy 2 pounds at a time and it saves freight.

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 8:13:43 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:50:40 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > dsi1 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to make a Chicago style pizza that was sorta true to
> > > > form but let's face it, I have as much chance of making a real
> > > > one as someone from the mainland making real huli huli chicken.
> > >
> > > Puhleeze... Chicago pizza is really a deep dish caserole made with
> > > lots of Guido ingredients piled on thick, it's essentially an upside
> > > down dago pot pie.
> > >
> > > And from what I've read here Huli Huli Chicken ain't much different
> > > from deli rotisserie chicken, in fact most deli rotisserie chicken
> > > is much better. Just because yoose cook everything with pineapple
> > > doesn't make it Hawaiian... pineapple was a reletively recent
> > > Central American import, there's nothing Hawaiian about pineapple.
> > > Hawaii really has no native food crop, weren't for coconut and
> > > seafood yoose would've all starved long ago... and coconut is
> > > really seafood, no one knows where coconut is native, it's been
> > > traveling the world via the seas forever. There's no such thing as
> > > Hawaiian food other than those disgusting taro roots, and that's
> > > not native to Hawaii either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taro
> > > The only food that Hawaii can lay claim to is their national meat.
> > > Hormel Spam.
> >
> > Beats the heck out of me why people have to pose as experts in things
> > they know nothing about. I got a better chance of being a guru on the
> > traditions and foods of Brooklyn than yoose on the subject of
> > anything Hawaiian.
> >
> > These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and
> > animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was
> > not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The
> > immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions when
> > they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture. Ain't
> > nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
>
> LOL! I am with ya on Hawaii tradition but not that a person can't make
> a recipe from there. They can, if they can get the right ingredients.
> Some have to be adapted from however like your 'tub of miso'. Thats
> unique in how it's done there. Elsewhere, it is a thick paste. I can
> tell from Hari Kojima recipes your 'tub' has to be something like a
> watered down or partly fermented and much more liquid soy paste.
>
> I only got curious about that one item after I left Hawaii and don't
> recall seeing it when there but then, I wasnt looking specifically for
> it.
>
>
> --

I have a couple of brands of miso. One is made in Hawaii and the other is Japanese. Neither is watered down. I can't say what you saw. The Hawaiian miso is pretty good stuff but the Japanese miso is pretty damn good stuff. It's darker and deeper nature causes my brain to light up with memories and experiences.

My personal view is that it's tough to get a regional recipe down without living in the region, knowing the people and their practices, or having some experience with the dish. I can get biscuits and gravy at Denny's but I'm skeptical that it'll be like the real thing. My dad met a cook in Sweden that told him he could make real saimin. This greatly excited my dad. Unfortunately, it turned out to be spaghetti in chicken soup. Horrors!

"Gary" wrote in message ...

dsi1 wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 2:44:06 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 15:18:25 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >The thing about a Chicago style pizza is that it has the sauce on the
> > >top crust. I think it would be better to put the sauce in the bottom
> > >but I don't make the rules, Chicago does.
> >
> > It's to keep the cheese from burning. The inches thick pizza needs a
> > long cook time and the cheese on top would burn.
> > Janet US
>
> That makes sense. I had it in the toaster oven for 30 minutes at 325
> degrees. That's a long time for a pizza.

I always cook a normal pizza for 20 minutes at 450f.
Turns out perfect every time.

=====

Yes, that is my timing too, in a regular oven.



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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and animal
> here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was not native to
> these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The immigrants to these islands
> brought their foods and traditions when they arrived and we embraced the
> peoples and their culture. Ain't nobody telling anybody to go back where
> they came from.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
>
> ====
>
> Oh my!!!! I've never heard of all that before) Sounds pretty amazing
>

The original Hawaiians came from Tahiti
and brought many plants for food with them.
They also left there to escape weird religious
persecution. No compass. They steered by the currents
and also the stars. They got lucky when they happened
upon the islands of H.

"Gary" wrote in message ...

Ophelia wrote:
>
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and animal
> here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was not native to
> these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The immigrants to these
> islands
> brought their foods and traditions when they arrived and we embraced the
> peoples and their culture. Ain't nobody telling anybody to go back where
> they came from.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
>
> ====
>
> Oh my!!!! I've never heard of all that before) Sounds pretty amazing
>

The original Hawaiians came from Tahiti
and brought many plants for food with them.
They also left there to escape weird religious
persecution. No compass. They steered by the currents
and also the stars. They got lucky when they happened
upon the islands of H.

=====

They got really lucky)))))))



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Sqwertz wrote:
>
> On Thu, 06 Apr 2017 15:54:07 -0400, Gary wrote:
>
> > The original Hawaiians came from Tahiti
> > and brought many plants for food with them.
> > They also left there to escape weird religious
> > persecution. No compass. They steered by the currents
> > and also the stars. They got lucky when they happened
> > upon the islands of H.
>
> The Marquesans were the first to settle in Hawaii. Then the mean 'ol
> Tahitians came and ran them all off to the less prime real estate and
> took over the islands.

I'll look into your claim. It's not the history I've read.

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 8:54:46 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 2:44:06 PM UTC-10, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > > On Tue, 4 Apr 2017 15:18:25 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >The thing about a Chicago style pizza is that it has the sauce on the top crust. I think it would be better to put the sauce in the bottom but I don't make the rules, Chicago does.
> > >
> > > It's to keep the cheese from burning. The inches thick pizza needs a
> > > long cook time and the cheese on top would burn.
> > > Janet US
> >
> > That makes sense. I had it in the toaster oven for 30 minutes at 325 degrees. That's a long time for a pizza.
>
> I always cook a normal pizza for 20 minutes at 450f.
> Turns out perfect every time.

I cook a normal pizza by placing the pan on the bottom floor of a 499 degree oven for around 7 minutes and then a few minutes under the broiler.

On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 12:59:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/6/2017 12:33 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 10:59:39 -0500, Sqwertz >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 11:04:17 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/6/2017 10:07 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 4/6/2017 4:10 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and
>>>>>> animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro was
>>>>>> not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The
>>>>>> immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions when
>>>>>> they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture. Ain't
>>>>>> nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Shave ice is not indigenous? Who brought it?
>>>>
>>>> LOL Ed!
>>>>
>>>> The Hawaiian Islands sprung up as a result of volcanic activity on the
>>>> floor of the Pacific ocean. And of course, nothing natural ever grew
>>>> out of rich volcanic soil. Nope, no fruits, no plants. It was just a
>>>> bunch of rocks.
>>>
>>> There are still a lot of native species of plants, insects, and sea
>>> life (including freshwater fish) native to Hawaii. They morphed into
>>> species endemic only to Hawaii. Many are extinct or threatened
>>> (thanks to relatively new introduced species), but a few still exist.
>>> Not much in the way of mammals though. Those take much longer to
>>> evolve and/or discover and populate such young, remote islands.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endemi...waiian_Islands
>>>
>>> That that "endemic" species are even more strict than "native".
>>> Endemic species evolved in and are exclusive to a smaller region or
>>> area. While "native" are non-exclusive and usually evolved someplace
>>> else. Only some of that list are also "native". One could argue that
>>> everything is endemic, and nothing on the planet is truly native.
>>>
>>> -sw
>>
>> you forgot about the human species managing to get there. I am always
>> amazed at the bravery of humans setting off in a boat on a big body of
>> water and landing somewhere. I'm sure there are many that tried,
>> never made it and are forgotten, but still. Hawaii, Easter Island,
>> the Americas, etc.. Just wow!
>> Janet US
>>
>Couple of years ago there was something on TV about the islanders and
>navigation. They can instinctively travel hundreds of miles in open sea
>and find there way. Not even a compass.
>
>Think even the ships traveling the world a few hundred years ago. I
>have to wonder if any just got plain lost along the way and ended up on
>the wrong continent. .

Many ended up visiting King Neptune.

On 4/6/2017 4:58 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 12:59:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> Think even the ships traveling the world a few hundred years ago. I
>> have to wonder if any just got plain lost along the way and ended up on
>> the wrong continent. .
>
> Many ended up visiting King Neptune.
>

And eating Starkist Tuna?

Jill

dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 8:13:43 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 10:50:40 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > > dsi1 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to make a Chicago style pizza that was sorta true to
> > > > > form but let's face it, I have as much chance of making a real
> > > > > one as someone from the mainland making real huli huli
> > > > > chicken.
> > > >
> > > > Puhleeze... Chicago pizza is really a deep dish caserole made
> > > > with lots of Guido ingredients piled on thick, it's essentially
> > > > an upside down dago pot pie.
> > > >
> > > > And from what I've read here Huli Huli Chicken ain't much
> > > > different from deli rotisserie chicken, in fact most deli
> > > > rotisserie chicken is much better. Just because yoose cook
> > > > everything with pineapple doesn't make it Hawaiian... pineapple
> > > > was a reletively recent Central American import, there's
> > > > nothing Hawaiian about pineapple. Hawaii really has no native
> > > > food crop, weren't for coconut and seafood yoose would've all
> > > > starved long ago... and coconut is really seafood, no one knows
> > > > where coconut is native, it's been traveling the world via the
> > > > seas forever. There's no such thing as Hawaiian food other
> > > > than those disgusting taro roots, and that's not native to
> > > > Hawaii either: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taro The only
> > > > food that Hawaii can lay claim to is their national meat.
> > > > Hormel Spam.
> > >
> > > Beats the heck out of me why people have to pose as experts in
> > > things they know nothing about. I got a better chance of being a
> > > guru on the traditions and foods of Brooklyn than yoose on the
> > > subject of anything Hawaiian.
> > >
> > > These islands sprang out of the middle of nowhere. Every plant and
> > > animal here had to be introduced. Obviously, pineapple and taro
> > > was not native to these islands because nothing is. Who cares? The
> > > immigrants to these islands brought their foods and traditions
> > > when they arrived and we embraced the peoples and their culture.
> > > Ain't nobody telling anybody to go back where they came from.
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN1Ud0qbxPE#t=406s
> >
> > LOL! I am with ya on Hawaii tradition but not that a person can't
> > make a recipe from there. They can, if they can get the right
> > ingredients. Some have to be adapted from however like your 'tub
> > of miso'. Thats unique in how it's done there. Elsewhere, it is a
> > thick paste. I can tell from Hari Kojima recipes your 'tub' has to
> > be something like a watered down or partly fermented and much more
> > liquid soy paste.
> >
> > I only got curious about that one item after I left Hawaii and don't
> > recall seeing it when there but then, I wasnt looking specifically
> > for it.
> >
> >
> > --
>
> I have a couple of brands of miso. One is made in Hawaii and the
> other is Japanese. Neither is watered down. I can't say what you saw.
> The Hawaiian miso is pretty good stuff but the Japanese miso is
> pretty damn good stuff. It's darker and deeper nature causes my brain
> to light up with memories and experiences.
>
> My personal view is that it's tough to get a regional recipe down
> without living in the region, knowing the people and their practices,
> or having some experience with the dish. I can get biscuits and gravy
> at Denny's but I'm skeptical that it'll be like the real thing. My
> dad met a cook in Sweden that told him he could make real saimin.
> This greatly excited my dad. Unfortunately, it turned out to be
> spaghetti in chicken soup. Horrors!

LOL, well I have 2 Hari Kojima recipies that use it in amounts of
'cartons' (one defined as 27 oz, the other just says carton). I have
some others someplace that reference 'tubs' (probably clipped from
magazines when I lived there). I didnt tune into miso until a decade
later, in Sasebo.



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jmcquown wrote:
>penmart wrote:
>>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> Think even the ships traveling the world a few hundred years ago. I
>>> have to wonder if any just got plain lost along the way and ended up on
>>> the wrong continent. .
>>
>> Many ended up visiting King Neptune.
>
>And eating Starkist Tuna?
>
>Jill

No, the Sponge Bob Square Pants Diner, The Krusty Krab. LOL
http://search.aol.com/aol/video?q=Sp...yword_rollover

"Gary" > wrote in message ...

> Will never again waste meatloaf on a sandwich. Not a bad
> sandwich...it's just better to eat heated up and plain.

I like to slice leftover meatloaf thin and saute it in a small amount of
butter until heated. Yum.

Cheri