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On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:22:23 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2017-04-10 11:44 AM, wrote: > >> > > Here's the one I have; picked it up at Bed, Bath, > > and Befuddled. > > > > https://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grip...rds=jar+opener > > > > I know everyone is a critic here, but I have to say that looks like the > one we got when my wife started to develop arthritis and needed help > opening tops. She never had much luck with it and pitched after a short > time. > > I'll admit I've only used it a few times for those jars that simply refuse to budge. So far so good and may need it more and more in the future. At least there seems to be plenty of these gizmos on the market for people to choose what suits them best. Funny how the grip diminishes as we age but the ability to bend the elbow to shove food in our pie hole does not. ;-) |
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On 2017-04-10 12:55 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:22:23 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote: >> >> On 2017-04-10 11:44 AM, wrote: >>>> >>> Here's the one I have; picked it up at Bed, Bath, >>> and Befuddled. >>> >>> https://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grip...rds=jar+opener >>> >> >> I know everyone is a critic here, but I have to say that looks like the >> one we got when my wife started to develop arthritis and needed help >> opening tops. She never had much luck with it and pitched after a short >> time. >> >> > I'll admit I've only used it a few times for those jars that > simply refuse to budge. So far so good and may need it more > and more in the future. At least there seems to be plenty of > these gizmos on the market for people to choose what suits > them best. We have been through lots of them. The one that tends to be the most effective is sort of like an el cheapo oil filter wrench. It is a plastic handle, a few teeth at the working end, and a rubber strap. It usually works on large and small tops. > Funny how the grip diminishes as we age but the ability to > bend the elbow to shove food in our pie hole does not. ;-) True. My right thumb is usually swollen these days and doesn't have the strength is should. Even using it to hold a plate or a heavy pan can be testy. The index finger on the other hand does not bend like it used to. |
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Dave Smith > wrote: > On 2017-04-10 11:44 AM, wrote: > > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 5:47:15 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > >> > >> We've got one because my husband has trouble with rotating motions. It > >> works very well. > >> > >> Cindy Hamilton > >> > >> > > Here's the one I have; picked it up at Bed, Bath, > > and Befuddled. > > > > https://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grip...A6KM/ref=sr_1_ > > 6?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1491838966&sr=1-6&keywords=jar+opener > > > > I know everyone is a critic here, but I have to say that looks like the > one we got when my wife started to develop arthritis and needed help > opening tops. She never had much luck with it and pitched after a short > time. This one's my favorite: <https://www.amazon.com/Brix-Original...-62-Inches/dp/ B00634DSMY/ref=sr_1_14?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1491846322&sr=1-14&keywo rds=jar+opener> |
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On 2017-04-10 1:47 PM, Mark Storkamp wrote:
> In article >, > Dave Smith > wrote: > >> On 2017-04-10 11:44 AM, wrote: >>> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 5:47:15 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>>> >>>> We've got one because my husband has trouble with rotating motions. It >>>> works very well. >>>> >>>> Cindy Hamilton >>>> >>>> >>> Here's the one I have; picked it up at Bed, Bath, >>> and Befuddled. >>> >>> https://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grip...A6KM/ref=sr_1_ >>> 6?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1491838966&sr=1-6&keywords=jar+opener >>> >> >> I know everyone is a critic here, but I have to say that looks like the >> one we got when my wife started to develop arthritis and needed help >> opening tops. She never had much luck with it and pitched after a short >> time. > > This one's my favorite: > > <https://www.amazon.com/Brix-Original...-62-Inches/dp/ > B00634DSMY/ref=sr_1_14?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1491846322&sr=1-14&keywo > rds=jar+opener> That is another one we tried and abandoned. |
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On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 12:42:02 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > We have been through lots of them. The one that tends to be the most > effective is sort of like an el cheapo oil filter wrench. It is a > plastic handle, a few teeth at the working end, and a rubber strap. It > usually works on large and small tops. > > I've seen those but have never used one. |
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On 4/10/2017 12:05 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> When I got here in 2008 my mother couldn't get the plastic caps off some > bottles of Ginger ale. I tried, those tops were tough! Then I had an > "Ah ha!" moment. I figured she'd probably kept this gadget. I rummaged > through the "junk drawer". Yeppers! > > https://s23.postimg.org/7988rev2j/jar_opener.jpg > > Sure enough, and it worked. Patent still pending circa before I was > born... > > Jill My mother had one of those, too. |
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On 4/10/2017 1:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> True. My right thumb is usually swollen these days and doesn't have the > strength is should. Even using it to hold a plate or a heavy pan can be > testy. The index finger on the other hand does not bend like it used to. "It's the end of the world as we know it..." |
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On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:55:12 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:22:23 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote: > > > > On 2017-04-10 11:44 AM, wrote: > > >> > > > Here's the one I have; picked it up at Bed, Bath, > > > and Befuddled. > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grip...rds=jar+opener > > > > > > > I know everyone is a critic here, but I have to say that looks like the > > one we got when my wife started to develop arthritis and needed help > > opening tops. She never had much luck with it and pitched after a short > > time. > > > > > I'll admit I've only used it a few times for those jars that > simply refuse to budge. So far so good and may need it more > and more in the future. At least there seems to be plenty of > these gizmos on the market for people to choose what suits > them best. > > Funny how the grip diminishes as we age but the ability to > bend the elbow to shove food in our pie hole does not. > > ;-) I think it's funny too. I still have a pretty good grip but it's tough to stand from a sitting or lying position. This makes working under my car a daunting task. Old people must suffer from a shocking lack of upper body strength. Typically, I'll slide a knife under the lid rim to break the seal - then it'll be easy to open. Otherwise, one of these babies will always do the trick: https://cdn.mscdirect.com/global/ima...8497649-24.jpg |
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On 4/10/2017 3:39 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 4/10/2017 12:05 PM, jmcquown wrote: > >> When I got here in 2008 my mother couldn't get the plastic caps off some >> bottles of Ginger ale. I tried, those tops were tough! Then I had an >> "Ah ha!" moment. I figured she'd probably kept this gadget. I rummaged >> through the "junk drawer". Yeppers! >> >> https://s23.postimg.org/7988rev2j/jar_opener.jpg >> >> Sure enough, and it worked. Patent still pending circa before I was >> born... >> >> Jill > My mother had one of those, too. All these years later, I'm glad she kept it. I'm having some trouble with my hands as I get older, too. Jill |
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On 2017-04-10 4:31 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:55:12 AM UTC-10, >> I'll admit I've only used it a few times for those jars that simply >> refuse to budge. So far so good and may need it more and more in >> the future. At least there seems to be plenty of these gizmos on >> the market for people to choose what suits them best. >> >> Funny how the grip diminishes as we age but the ability to bend the >> elbow to shove food in our pie hole does not. >> >> ;-) > > I think it's funny too. I still have a pretty good grip but it's > tough to stand from a sitting or lying position. This makes working > under my car a daunting task. Old people must suffer from a shocking > lack of upper body strength. Many old people do, especially people from earlier generations. Many boomers have gone to great effort to keep fit. I belong to a kayaking club and most of the really active members are 60 plus and have great upper body strength. One of our members is a woman my age, a former competitive rower, and many fit men would have a hard time keeping up with her. > > Typically, I'll slide a knife under the lid rim to break the seal - > then it'll be easy to open. Otherwise, one of these babies will > always do the trick: > > https://cdn.mscdirect.com/global/ima...8497649-24.jpg > > |
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![]() "Dave Smith" > wrote in message ... > On 2017-04-10 11:44 AM, wrote: >> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 5:47:15 AM UTC-5, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>> >>> We've got one because my husband has trouble with rotating motions. It >>> works very well. >>> >>> Cindy Hamilton >>> >>> >> Here's the one I have; picked it up at Bed, Bath, >> and Befuddled. >> >> https://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grip...rds=jar+opener >> > > I know everyone is a critic here, but I have to say that looks like the > one we got when my wife started to develop arthritis and needed help > opening tops. She never had much luck with it and pitched after a short > time. I have that one too. Okay for some things. Doesn't always grab like it should. Just slips and slips, |
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On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 5:01:46 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote:
> > I have that one too. Okay for some things. Doesn't always grab like it > should. Just slips and slips, > > Of course it slips! I'd expect nothing less from you. Can't eat this, can't eat that, don't like this, don't like that, allergic to everything on the planet, according to you. You've continually asked for help over the years to only delight in shooting EVERYONE's suggestions down. Your family is incapable of doing anything for themselves nor can they eat this or that. So no, I'm not surprised this or any other gizmo will work for you; honestly I'd be stunned if it did. Up to your usual tricks again. |
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On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:44:30 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-10 4:31 PM, dsi1 wrote: > > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:55:12 AM UTC-10, > > >> I'll admit I've only used it a few times for those jars that simply > >> refuse to budge. So far so good and may need it more and more in > >> the future. At least there seems to be plenty of these gizmos on > >> the market for people to choose what suits them best. > >> > >> Funny how the grip diminishes as we age but the ability to bend the > >> elbow to shove food in our pie hole does not. > >> > >> ;-) > > > > I think it's funny too. I still have a pretty good grip but it's > > tough to stand from a sitting or lying position. This makes working > > under my car a daunting task. Old people must suffer from a shocking > > lack of upper body strength. > > Many old people do, especially people from earlier generations. Many > boomers have gone to great effort to keep fit. I belong to a kayaking > club and most of the really active members are 60 plus and have great > upper body strength. One of our members is a woman my age, a former > competitive rower, and many fit men would have a hard time keeping up > with her. > > > > > > > Typically, I'll slide a knife under the lid rim to break the seal - > > then it'll be easy to open. Otherwise, one of these babies will > > always do the trick: > > > > https://cdn.mscdirect.com/global/ima...8497649-24.jpg > > > > Paddling is big over here. You can always spot the girls that paddle. Broadbacks they have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5eX0Pl4I_4 |
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On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:01:36 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote:
> > On 4/10/2017 6:44 PM, wrote: > > > Can't eat this, can't eat that, don't like this, don't > > like that, allergic to everything on the planet > > Please don't encourage this. > > Jill > > It was nice when she was not here, wasn't it? |
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On 2017-04-10 7:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/10/2017 6:44 PM, wrote: >> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 5:01:46 PM UTC-5, Julie Bove wrote: >>> >>> I have that one too. Okay for some things. Doesn't always grab like it >>> should. Just slips and slips, >>> >>> >> Of course it slips! I'd expect nothing less from you. >> > >> Can't eat this, can't eat that, don't like this, don't >> like that, allergic to everything on the planet > > Please don't encourage this. > Oh shit. It's back. |
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On 2017-04-10 7:08 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:01:36 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote: >> >> On 4/10/2017 6:44 PM, wrote: >> >>> Can't eat this, can't eat that, don't like this, don't >>> like that, allergic to everything on the planet >> >> Please don't encourage this. >> >> Jill >> >> > It was nice when she was not here, wasn't it? It certainly was. There were a few twits here who whine about picking on our resident attention whore, and after she departed they would occasionally mention her in a blatant attempt to solicit negative comment. Most of us managed not to bite. |
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On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:19:04 PM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2017-04-10 7:08 PM, wrote: > > > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:01:36 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote: > >> > >> On 4/10/2017 6:44 PM, wrote: > >> > >>> Can't eat this, can't eat that, don't like this, don't > >>> like that, allergic to everything on the planet > >> > >> Please don't encourage this. > >> > >> Jill > >> > >> > > It was nice when she was not here, wasn't it? > > It certainly was. There were a few twits here who whine about picking on > our resident attention whore, and after she departed they would > occasionally mention her in a blatant attempt to solicit negative > comment. Most of us managed not to bite. > > ^5! |
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On 4/10/2017 7:08 PM, wrote:
> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:01:36 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote: >> >> On 4/10/2017 6:44 PM, wrote: >> >>> Can't eat this, can't eat that, don't like this, don't >>> like that, allergic to everything on the planet >> >> Please don't encourage this. >> >> Jill >> >> > It was nice when she was not here, wasn't it? > So just ignore her and KF her. Julie can't make a post without a bunch of others commenting and she, not them gets the blame. Worse than junior high. |
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On 4/10/2017 9:44 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> Julie can't make a post without a bunch > of others commenting and she, not them gets the blame. Worse than > junior high. Sadly true. |
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 16:08:30 -0700 (PDT), "
> wrote: >On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:01:36 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote: >> >> On 4/10/2017 6:44 PM, wrote: >> >> > Can't eat this, can't eat that, don't like this, don't >> > like that, allergic to everything on the planet >> >> Please don't encourage this. >> >> Jill >> >> >It was nice when she was not here, wasn't it? You women haven't changed much since highschool. |
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 19:21:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote: >On 2017-04-10 7:08 PM, wrote: >> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:01:36 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote: >>> >>> On 4/10/2017 6:44 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> Can't eat this, can't eat that, don't like this, don't >>>> like that, allergic to everything on the planet >>> >>> Please don't encourage this. >>> >>> Jill >>> >>> >> It was nice when she was not here, wasn't it? > >It certainly was. There were a few twits here who whine about picking on >our resident attention whore, and after she departed they would >occasionally mention her in a blatant attempt to solicit negative >comment. Most of us managed not to bite. Did you say "negative comment"? |
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 21:44:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 4/10/2017 7:08 PM, wrote: >> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:01:36 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote: >>> >>> On 4/10/2017 6:44 PM, wrote: >>> >>>> Can't eat this, can't eat that, don't like this, don't >>>> like that, allergic to everything on the planet >>> >>> Please don't encourage this. >>> >>> Jill >>> >>> >> It was nice when she was not here, wasn't it? >> > >So just ignore her and KF her. Julie can't make a post without a bunch >of others commenting and she, not them gets the blame. Worse than >junior high. + many |
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"dsi1" wrote in message
... On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:55:12 AM UTC-10, wrote: > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:22:23 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote: > > > > On 2017-04-10 11:44 AM, wrote: > > >> > > > Here's the one I have; picked it up at Bed, Bath, > > > and Befuddled. > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grip...rds=jar+opener > > > > > > > I know everyone is a critic here, but I have to say that looks like the > > one we got when my wife started to develop arthritis and needed help > > opening tops. She never had much luck with it and pitched after a short > > time. > > > > > I'll admit I've only used it a few times for those jars that > simply refuse to budge. So far so good and may need it more > and more in the future. At least there seems to be plenty of > these gizmos on the market for people to choose what suits > them best. > > Funny how the grip diminishes as we age but the ability to > bend the elbow to shove food in our pie hole does not. > > ;-) I think it's funny too. I still have a pretty good grip but it's tough to stand from a sitting or lying position. This makes working under my car a daunting task. Old people must suffer from a shocking lack of upper body strength. Typically, I'll slide a knife under the lid rim to break the seal - then it'll be easy to open. Otherwise, one of these babies will always do the trick: https://cdn.mscdirect.com/global/ima...8497649-24.jpg == Heh, D. opens all my jars. I don't really bother to try much. I have to say too, he is better looking than that red thingy <g> -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
On 4/10/2017 7:08 PM, wrote: > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:01:36 PM UTC-5, Jill McQuown wrote: >> >> On 4/10/2017 6:44 PM, wrote: >> >>> Can't eat this, can't eat that, don't like this, don't >>> like that, allergic to everything on the planet >> >> Please don't encourage this. >> >> Jill >> >> > It was nice when she was not here, wasn't it? > So just ignore her and KF her. Julie can't make a post without a bunch of others commenting and she, not them gets the blame. Worse than junior ===== +1K It was only nice when she wasn't here, because we didn't get these childish attacks and nasty name calling. You are right ... she, not them, gets the blame. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 10:53:05 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message > ... > > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:55:12 AM UTC-10, wrote: > > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:22:23 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote: > > > > > > On 2017-04-10 11:44 AM, wrote: > > > >> > > > > Here's the one I have; picked it up at Bed, Bath, > > > > and Befuddled. > > > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grip...rds=jar+opener > > > > > > > > > > I know everyone is a critic here, but I have to say that looks like the > > > one we got when my wife started to develop arthritis and needed help > > > opening tops. She never had much luck with it and pitched after a short > > > time. > > > > > > > > I'll admit I've only used it a few times for those jars that > > simply refuse to budge. So far so good and may need it more > > and more in the future. At least there seems to be plenty of > > these gizmos on the market for people to choose what suits > > them best. > > > > Funny how the grip diminishes as we age but the ability to > > bend the elbow to shove food in our pie hole does not. > > > > ;-) > > I think it's funny too. I still have a pretty good grip but it's tough to > stand from a sitting or lying position. This makes working under my car a > daunting task. Old people must suffer from a shocking lack of upper body > strength. > > Typically, I'll slide a knife under the lid rim to break the seal - then > it'll be easy to open. Otherwise, one of these babies will always do the > trick: > > https://cdn.mscdirect.com/global/ima...8497649-24.jpg > > == > > Heh, D. opens all my jars. I don't really bother to try much. I have to > say too, he is better looking than that red thingy <g> > > > > -- > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk That's pretty much my function around here. I drive, cook, and open jars. |
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"dsi1" wrote in message
... On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 10:53:05 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote: > "dsi1" wrote in message > ... > > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:55:12 AM UTC-10, > wrote: > > On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 11:22:23 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote: > > > > > > On 2017-04-10 11:44 AM, wrote: > > > >> > > > > Here's the one I have; picked it up at Bed, Bath, > > > > and Befuddled. > > > > > > > > https://www.amazon.com/OXO-Good-Grip...rds=jar+opener > > > > > > > > > > I know everyone is a critic here, but I have to say that looks like > > > the > > > one we got when my wife started to develop arthritis and needed help > > > opening tops. She never had much luck with it and pitched after a > > > short > > > time. > > > > > > > > I'll admit I've only used it a few times for those jars that > > simply refuse to budge. So far so good and may need it more > > and more in the future. At least there seems to be plenty of > > these gizmos on the market for people to choose what suits > > them best. > > > > Funny how the grip diminishes as we age but the ability to > > bend the elbow to shove food in our pie hole does not. > > > > ;-) > > I think it's funny too. I still have a pretty good grip but it's tough to > stand from a sitting or lying position. This makes working under my car a > daunting task. Old people must suffer from a shocking lack of upper body > strength. > > Typically, I'll slide a knife under the lid rim to break the seal - then > it'll be easy to open. Otherwise, one of these babies will always do the > trick: > > https://cdn.mscdirect.com/global/ima...8497649-24.jpg > > == > > Heh, D. opens all my jars. I don't really bother to try much. I have to > say too, he is better looking than that red thingy <g> > > > > -- > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk That's pretty much my function around here. I drive, cook, and open jars. == But, he doesn't have a green and orange hat! He is doing the cooking atm which is strange. I have to say, his skills are improving ![]() couple of weeks it was all kind of ready made ie stuff I had made and put in the freezer, but he is actually branching out ![]() other day and it was grand ![]() I am very spoiled, but that is not unusual ![]() -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:46:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote: >On 2017-04-10 4:31 PM, dsi1 wrote: >> On Monday, April 10, 2017 at 6:55:12 AM UTC-10, > >>> I'll admit I've only used it a few times for those jars that simply >>> refuse to budge. So far so good and may need it more and more in >>> the future. At least there seems to be plenty of these gizmos on >>> the market for people to choose what suits them best. >>> >>> Funny how the grip diminishes as we age but the ability to bend the >>> elbow to shove food in our pie hole does not. >>> >>> ;-) >> >> I think it's funny too. I still have a pretty good grip but it's >> tough to stand from a sitting or lying position. This makes working >> under my car a daunting task. Old people must suffer from a shocking >> lack of upper body strength. > >Many old people do, especially people from earlier generations. Many >boomers have gone to great effort to keep fit. I belong to a kayaking >club and most of the really active members are 60 plus and have great >upper body strength. One of our members is a woman my age, a former >competitive rower, and many fit men would have a hard time keeping up >with her. > > > >> >> Typically, I'll slide a knife under the lid rim to break the seal - >> then it'll be easy to open. Otherwise, one of these babies will >> always do the trick: >> >> https://cdn.mscdirect.com/global/ima...8497649-24.jpg >> >> It doesn't take long at all to lose upper body strength or lower body for that matter. All you need is an illness that puts you down or restricted for a while. BTDT Janet US |
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On 2017-04-11 10:33 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:46:40 -0400, Dave Smith > It doesn't take long at all to lose upper body strength or lower body > for that matter. All you need is an illness that puts you down or > restricted for a while. BTDT Tell me about it. I had heart surgery 6 years ago. I dropped a lot of weight quickly, mostly muscle mass because I spent the first couple weeks in bed and the next month mostly sitting around. It was about 5 months before I was active again and it took a lot of work to get back into shape. |
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On Tuesday, April 11, 2017 at 4:27:00 AM UTC-5, dsi1 wrote:
> > That's pretty much my function around here. I drive, cook, and open jars. > > And kill spiders, I hope. |
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"l not -l" > wrote in message
... > > On 10-Apr-2017, Gary > wrote: > >> On 4/10/2017 1:44 PM, Dave Smith wrote: >> > True. My right thumb is usually swollen these days and doesn't have the >> > strength is should. Even using it to hold a plate or a heavy pan can be >> > testy. The index finger on the other hand does not bend like it used >> > to. >> >> "It's the end of the world as we know it..." > That's the most encouraging thing I've heard in a while. If true for > others, aging baby boomers with concealed carry permits will be less > likely > to kill others because their trigger fingers no longer work. 8-) If we > could get that malady to spread to young idiots - that change the world. Well as the saying goes..."One man can change the world with a well placed bullet." ![]() Cheri |
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