"Jan Polanik, a Dunkin' Donuts customer based in Worcester, MA, went to
a local shop and asked for a bagel with butter. It turned out he was
given a butter substitute - and so he sued. And locals might get free
food because of him."

I don't know that there are any around here, but I bet their bagels are
crap. I thought that is what the lawsuit would be about.

On 4/8/2017 8:18 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> "Jan Polanik, a Dunkin' Donuts customer based in Worcester, MA, went to
> a local shop and asked for a bagel with butter. It turned out he was
> given a butter substitute - and so he sued. And locals might get free
> food because of him."
>
> I don't know that there are any around here, but I bet their bagels are
> crap. I thought that is what the lawsuit would be about.
>

I had one years ago. At "free" they are overpriced. But butter is
butter and should not be substituted. The excuse was butter must be
refrigerated and it is too hard to spread when cold.

On 4/8/2017 9:51 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> Half a dozen years ago, here in the Phoenix area, Dunkin Donuts closed
> and revamped/rebuilt and added even more new stores. Prior to that
> their products were fresh and quite tasty, although few of their stores
> even sold bagels. Since the redo their donuts never seem to be either
> fresh or tasty, and while all their stores now carry bagels, they are
> bagels in name only. They neither look nor taste good, and God only
> know what they spread on them. I've only bought a couple, and have
> opted for cream cheese both times. There are several rather good bagel
> chains in the Phoenix area, however, and I don't hesitate to go to any
> of them. If I order a toasted bagel with butter, that's what I
> get...no substitute.
>

Years ago, every DD store was a bakery. The donuts were made on site a
couple of times a day. Now, there are many smaller stores and the
donuts are made at a central bakery.

Every morning though, the line for the drive up window is out on the
street at every location. You can make your own coffee in about the
time you'd wait in line.

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:43:21 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/8/2017 9:51 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> >
> > Half a dozen years ago, here in the Phoenix area, Dunkin Donuts closed
> > and revamped/rebuilt and added even more new stores. Prior to that
> > their products were fresh and quite tasty, although few of their stores
> > even sold bagels. Since the redo their donuts never seem to be either
> > fresh or tasty, and while all their stores now carry bagels, they are
> > bagels in name only. They neither look nor taste good, and God only
> > know what they spread on them. I've only bought a couple, and have
> > opted for cream cheese both times. There are several rather good bagel
> > chains in the Phoenix area, however, and I don't hesitate to go to any
> > of them. If I order a toasted bagel with butter, that's what I
> > get...no substitute.
> >
>
> Years ago, every DD store was a bakery. The donuts were made on site a
> couple of times a day. Now, there are many smaller stores and the
> donuts are made at a central bakery.
>
> Every morning though, the line for the drive up window is out on the
> street at every location. You can make your own coffee in about the
> time you'd wait in line.

As a former professional donut maker, I can understand why too! Donuts are NOT a "fast food"! Long process to make the dough, properly "handle" it, then yeast raised donuts need time to "proof" or rise, then frying them, cooling and decorating as necessary.

People would come into the shop I worked at and ask "So when are you gonna have more ..."? when we'd be out of something they wanted and we'd have to tell them "tomorrow"!

John Kuthe...

On 2017-04-08 11:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>
> Years ago, every DD store was a bakery. The donuts were made on site a
> couple of times a day. Now, there are many smaller stores and the
> donuts are made at a central bakery.
>
> Every morning though, the line for the drive up window is out on the
> street at every location. You can make your own coffee in about the
> time you'd wait in line.

Tim Hortons is the major coffee and donut chain up here. They used to
have close to 30 types of donuts to choose from, all freshly made in the
store. Some franchisees would get a number of stores in the same area
and one store would cook for all the them. Then the switched to a
system where the products were all produced in one facility and par
baked and then finished off at the local stores. They are nowhere near
as good as the used to be.

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 11:24:08 AM UTC-5, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-08 11:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> >
> > Years ago, every DD store was a bakery. The donuts were made on site a
> > couple of times a day. Now, there are many smaller stores and the
> > donuts are made at a central bakery.
> >
> > Every morning though, the line for the drive up window is out on the
> > street at every location. You can make your own coffee in about the
> > time you'd wait in line.
>
> Tim Hortons is the major coffee and donut chain up here. They used to
> have close to 30 types of donuts to choose from, all freshly made in the
> store. Some franchisees would get a number of stores in the same area
> and one store would cook for all the them. Then the switched to a
> system where the products were all produced in one facility and par
> baked and then finished off at the local stores. They are nowhere near
> as good as the used to be.

Real donuts are FRIED, not baked!

John Kuthe...

On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:43:21 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> Years ago, every DD store was a bakery. The donuts were made on site a
>> couple of times a day. Now, there are many smaller stores and the
>> donuts are made at a central bakery.
>>
>> Every morning though, the line for the drive up window is out on the
>> street at every location. You can make your own coffee in about the
>> time you'd wait in line.
>
>As a former professional donut maker, I can understand why too! Donuts are NOT a "fast food"! Long process to make the dough, properly "handle" it, then yeast raised donuts need time to "proof" or rise, then frying them, cooling and decorating as necessary.
>
>People would come into the shop I worked at and ask "So when are you gonna have more ..."? when we'd be out of something they wanted and we'd have to tell them "tomorrow"!

You might want to distinguish between the real product -that you
describe- and the fast food version.

On 4/8/2017 11:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> Years ago, every DD store was a bakery. The donuts were made on site a
> couple of times a day. Now, there are many smaller stores and the
> donuts are made at a central bakery.
>
> Every morning though, the line for the drive up window is out on the
> street at every location. You can make your own coffee in about the
> time you'd wait in line.

I knew a couple who got soooo excited when they opened a Dunkin Donuts
in Beaufort. Not because of any baked goods, but because of the coffee.
When I pointed out you can buy a bag of Dunkin' Donuts brand coffee at
the grocery store (i.e. make it at home) they both said, "But it's not
the same!" I remember thinking at the time, no I guess it wouldn't be
the same, since there aren't people waiting in line in your kitchen.

Jill

On 2017-04-08 5:58 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/8/2017 11:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
ime you'd wait in line.
>
> I knew a couple who got soooo excited when they opened a Dunkin Donuts
> in Beaufort. Not because of any baked goods, but because of the coffee.
> When I pointed out you can buy a bag of Dunkin' Donuts brand coffee at
> the grocery store (i.e. make it at home) they both said, "But it's not
> the same!" I remember thinking at the time, no I guess it wouldn't be
> the same, since there aren't people waiting in line in your kitchen.

You have to wonder sometimes. Tim Hortons has become a national icon up
here. I find that a little embarrassing because their coffee, which used
to be quite good, is pretty crappy these days. There are Tim Horton
stores everywhere. In the Niagara Peninsula there are are than 50 of them.

On 2017-04-08 6:40 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 08 Apr 2017 03:27:32p, Dave Smith told us...

>> You have to wonder sometimes. Tim Hortons has become a national
>> icon up here. I find that a little embarrassing because their
>> coffee, which used to be quite good, is pretty crappy these days.
>> There are Tim Horton stores everywhere. In the Niagara Peninsula
>> there are are than 50 of them.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Some people buy for good taste. Others buy because they "think" it
> tastes good. :-)
>

That's what a hefty advertising budget can do for you.
I used to like Hortons coffee, and their donuts were great. The quality
of both went down the tubes years ago. Their coffee got so bad that they
had to improve it.

I am not a fan of McDonalds, but I kept hearing from people about how
good their coffee was and I tried it. Last summer we stopped at one on
a road trip and got coffee and pastries to go. My wife and I both
commented that the pastries were pretty good, much better than expected,
and the coffee was actually very good.

On 4/8/2017 6:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> I am not a fan of McDonalds, but I kept hearing from people about how
> good their coffee was and I tried it. Last summer we stopped at one on
> a road trip and got coffee and pastries to go. My wife and I both
> commented that the pastries were pretty good, much better than expected,
> and the coffee was actually very good.
>

Competition can be a good thing. With a DD across the street from McD
you have to offer something decent to keep 'em coming. I think the
public is demanding better coffee too. Look at the selection in the
supermarket and abundance of on line sellers of premium beans.

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 1:42:04 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> > wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:43:21 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>
> >> Years ago, every DD store was a bakery. The donuts were made on site a
> >> couple of times a day. Now, there are many smaller stores and the
> >> donuts are made at a central bakery.
> >>
> >> Every morning though, the line for the drive up window is out on the
> >> street at every location. You can make your own coffee in about the
> >> time you'd wait in line.
> >
> >As a former professional donut maker, I can understand why too! Donuts are NOT a "fast food"! Long process to make the dough, properly "handle" it, then yeast raised donuts need time to "proof" or rise, then frying them, cooling and decorating as necessary.
> >
> >People would come into the shop I worked at and ask "So when are you gonna have more ..."? when we'd be out of something they wanted and we'd have to tell them "tomorrow"!
>
> You might want to distinguish between the real product -that you
> describe- and the fast food version.

I think I just did!

John Kuthe...

On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 23:04:08 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 1:42:04 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:43:21 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Years ago, every DD store was a bakery. The donuts were made on site a
>> >> couple of times a day. Now, there are many smaller stores and the
>> >> donuts are made at a central bakery.
>> >>
>> >> Every morning though, the line for the drive up window is out on the
>> >> street at every location. You can make your own coffee in about the
>> >> time you'd wait in line.
>> >
>> >As a former professional donut maker, I can understand why too! Donuts are NOT a "fast food"! Long process to make the dough, properly "handle" it, then yeast raised donuts need time to "proof" or rise, then frying them, cooling and decorating as necessary.
>> >
>> >People would come into the shop I worked at and ask "So when are you gonna have more ..."? when we'd be out of something they wanted and we'd have to tell them "tomorrow"!
>>
>> You might want to distinguish between the real product -that you
>> describe- and the fast food version.
>
>I think I just did!

You could have fooled me.

On 2017-04-09 2:24 AM, Bruce wrote:

>>>> As a former professional donut maker, I can understand why too! Donuts are NOT a "fast food"! Long process to make the dough, properly "handle" it, then yeast raised donuts need time to "proof" or rise, then frying them, cooling and decorating as necessary.
>>>>
>>>> People would come into the shop I worked at and ask "So when are you gonna have more ..."? when we'd be out of something they wanted and we'd have to tell them "tomorrow"!
>>>
>>> You might want to distinguish between the real product -that you
>>> describe- and the fast food version.
>>
>> I think I just did!
>
> You could have fooled me.


Donuts are not fast foods because the dough has to sit for a while and
rise? McDonalds burgers would not qualify either because the dough for
the buns has to rise. It also takes time to raise the cows or whatever
it is that goes into their burgers.

On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 23:04:08 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 1:42:04 PM UTC-5, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 09:03:50 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 10:43:21 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Years ago, every DD store was a bakery. The donuts were made on site a
>> >> couple of times a day. Now, there are many smaller stores and the
>> >> donuts are made at a central bakery.
>> >>
>> >> Every morning though, the line for the drive up window is out on the
>> >> street at every location. You can make your own coffee in about the
>> >> time you'd wait in line.
>> >
>> >As a former professional donut maker, I can understand why too! Donuts are NOT a "fast food"! Long process to make the dough, properly "handle" it, then yeast raised donuts need time to "proof" or rise, then frying them, cooling and decorating as necessary.
>> >
>> >People would come into the shop I worked at and ask "So when are you gonna have more ..."? when we'd be out of something they wanted and we'd have to tell them "tomorrow"!
>>
>> You might want to distinguish between the real product -that you
>> describe- and the fast food version.
>
>I think I just did!
>
>John Kuthe...

Fast food has nothing to do with preparation, all to do with how fast
it's served.

On 4/9/2017 1:52 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 05:18:19 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
>> "Jan Polanik, a Dunkin' Donuts customer based in Worcester, MA, went to
>> a local shop and asked for a bagel with butter. It turned out he was
>> given a butter substitute - and so he sued. And locals might get free
>> food because of him."
>
> The company has acknowledged that it uses margarine instead of butter
> 4 years ago. But they're still calling it butter after all this time?
> Somebody saw an easy lawsuit and piggybacked off of this article from
> almost 4 years ago:
>
> https://www.bostonglobe.com/business...iPJ/story.html
>
> -sw
>

After 4 years maybe they will smarten up. Don't try to pass off grease
as butter to save a few bucks.

On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 09:08:47 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-09 2:24 AM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>>>> As a former professional donut maker, I can understand why too! Donuts are NOT a "fast food"! Long process to make the dough, properly "handle" it, then yeast raised donuts need time to "proof" or rise, then frying them, cooling and decorating as necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> People would come into the shop I worked at and ask "So when are you gonna have more ..."? when we'd be out of something they wanted and we'd have to tell them "tomorrow"!
>>>>
>>>> You might want to distinguish between the real product -that you
>>>> describe- and the fast food version.
>>>
>>> I think I just did!
>>
>> You could have fooled me.
>
>
>Donuts are not fast foods because the dough has to sit for a while and
>rise? McDonalds burgers would not qualify either because the dough for
>the buns has to rise. It also takes time to raise the cows or whatever
>it is that goes into their burgers.

Fast food has not a whit to do with ingredients, has all to do with
fast service.

On 4/9/2017 9:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/9/2017 1:52 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
>> On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 05:18:19 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>
>>> "Jan Polanik, a Dunkin' Donuts customer based in Worcester, MA, went to
>>> a local shop and asked for a bagel with butter. It turned out he was
>>> given a butter substitute - and so he sued. And locals might get free
>>> food because of him."
>>
>> The company has acknowledged that it uses margarine instead of butter
>> 4 years ago. But they're still calling it butter after all this time?
>> Somebody saw an easy lawsuit and piggybacked off of this article from
>> almost 4 years ago:
>>
>> https://www.bostonglobe.com/business...iPJ/story.html
>>
>>
>> -sw
>>
>
> After 4 years maybe they will smarten up. Don't try to pass off grease
> as butter to save a few bucks.

Heck, you can get pats of real butter at Waffle House without even
asking. My SO always orders a waffle when we go there. They bring a
little dish with pats of foil wrapped butter. And yes, it's real
butter... and it's not rock hard from the fridge, either! I think if he
wanted margarine he'd have to specifically ask for it.

Jill

On 4/9/2017 9:42 AM, wrote:
> Fast food has not a whit to do with ingredients, has all to do with
> fast service.

And McDonalds is a mega corporation, highly successful world wide. The
babies here that complain about them don't count for squat to them.

BTW, this is my very first post here using the annoying laptop and
Thunderbird for a news reader. So far, I don't like TB at all for
newsgroups. It's ok for email though.

I'll give it another week or so before I make a final decision whether
to find another reader. So far, they have eliminated many options that
I like in Netscape 4.7.

I'm wondering if 4.7 would work on this Windows 7 computer.

>

On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 10:07:52 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 4/9/2017 9:42 AM, wrote:
>> Fast food has not a whit to do with ingredients, has all to do with
>> fast service.
>
>And McDonalds is a mega corporation, highly successful world wide. The
>babies here that complain about them don't count for squat to them.

They're successful at selling crap to the masses. The masses are
stupid. In all times and all countries.

>BTW, this is my very first post here using the annoying laptop and
>Thunderbird for a news reader. So far, I don't like TB at all for
>newsgroups. It's ok for email though.

Just don't use them for both, because one day, you'll send an email to
a newsgroup.

>I'll give it another week or so before I make a final decision whether
>to find another reader. So far, they have eliminated many options that
>I like in Netscape 4.7.
>
>I'm wondering if 4.7 would work on this Windows 7 computer.

For me, all new software sucks until I'm used to it.

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 4:08:01 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> On 4/9/2017 9:42 AM, wrote:
> > Fast food has not a whit to do with ingredients, has all to do with
> > fast service.
>
> And McDonalds is a mega corporation, highly successful world wide. The
> babies here that complain about them don't count for squat to them.
>
> BTW, this is my very first post here using the annoying laptop and
> Thunderbird for a news reader. So far, I don't like TB at all for
> newsgroups. It's ok for email though.
>
> I'll give it another week or so before I make a final decision whether
> to find another reader. So far, they have eliminated many options that
> I like in Netscape 4.7.
>
> I'm wondering if 4.7 would work on this Windows 7 computer.
>
> >

We ate at McDonald's this morning - a Portuguese sausage platter, sausage biscuit, hash brown, an apple pie, a large coffee, a medium drink. $11.49 - that's a pretty good deal. The woman taking the order was kind of lackluster but you can't have everything.

http://www.electricbamboo.com/2013/0...i-is-on-point/

I use Thunderbird for email. I don't use it much for newsgroups though. Google Groups is just plain easier.

Gary, when I had access to a real newsreader, I really liked Agent. Even FreeAgent
was very easy to use for Usenet.

N.

On 4/9/2017 5:47 PM, Nancy2 wrote:
> Gary, when I had access to a real newsreader, I really liked Agent. Even FreeAgent
> was very easy to use for Usenet.
>
> N.
>
You can actually have access to a real newsreader, Nancy2. You simply
choose not to.

Jill

On 4/9/2017 10:07 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 4/9/2017 9:42 AM, wrote:
>> Fast food has not a whit to do with ingredients, has all to do with
>> fast service.
>
> And McDonalds is a mega corporation, highly successful world wide. The
> babies here that complain about them don't count for squat to them.
>
> BTW, this is my very first post here using the annoying laptop and
> Thunderbird for a news reader. So far, I don't like TB at all for
> newsgroups. It's ok for email though.
>
> I'll give it another week or so before I make a final decision whether
> to find another reader. So far, they have eliminated many options that
> I like in Netscape 4.7.
>
> I'm wondering if 4.7 would work on this Windows 7 computer.
>
TB is an excellent newsreader. You simply have to figure out how to
configure it.

Jill

On Sun, 9 Apr 2017 18:06:12 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 4/9/2017 10:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/9/2017 9:42 AM, wrote:
>>> Fast food has not a whit to do with ingredients, has all to do with
>>> fast service.
>>
>> And McDonalds is a mega corporation, highly successful world wide. The
>> babies here that complain about them don't count for squat to them.
>>
>> BTW, this is my very first post here using the annoying laptop and
>> Thunderbird for a news reader. So far, I don't like TB at all for
>> newsgroups. It's ok for email though.
>>
>> I'll give it another week or so before I make a final decision whether
>> to find another reader. So far, they have eliminated many options that
>> I like in Netscape 4.7.
>>
>> I'm wondering if 4.7 would work on this Windows 7 computer.
>>
>TB is an excellent newsreader. You simply have to figure out how to
>configure it.

Most of them are fine. Just pick one and take the time to get used to
it.

On 4/9/2017 6:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/9/2017 10:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>> I'm wondering if 4.7 would work on this Windows 7 computer.
>>
> TB is an excellent newsreader. You simply have to figure out how to
> configure it.

As compared to what? No it's not all that and I do have it configured. I
will give it another week to get used to it though.

Gary wrote:
> On 4/9/2017 9:42 AM, wrote:
>> Fast food has not a whit to do with ingredients, has all to do with
>> fast service.
>
> And McDonalds is a mega corporation, highly successful world wide. The
> babies here that complain about them don't count for squat to them.
>
> BTW, this is my very first post here using the annoying laptop and
> Thunderbird for a news reader. So far, I don't like TB at all for
> newsgroups. It's ok for email though.
>
> I'll give it another week or so before I make a final decision whether
> to find another reader. So far, they have eliminated many options
> that I like in Netscape 4.7.
>
> I'm wondering if 4.7 would work on this Windows 7 computer.
>
>>
>

Try Seamonkey. It replaced Netscape.

On 4/10/2017 5:09 PM, Gary wrote:
> On 4/9/2017 6:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/9/2017 10:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> I'm wondering if 4.7 would work on this Windows 7 computer.
>>>
>> TB is an excellent newsreader. You simply have to figure out how to
>> configure it.
>
> As compared to what? No it's not all that and I do have it configured. I
> will give it another week to get used to it though.
>
>
>

I used to like Outlook Express but when it was taken away, I tried
Agent. Much later I tried Thunderbird Portable and that is what I use
95% of the time. TB has good support if you have questions. Is there
something in particular you need?

On 4/10/2017 8:46 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/10/2017 5:09 PM, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/9/2017 6:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 4/9/2017 10:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> I'm wondering if 4.7 would work on this Windows 7 computer.
>>>>
>>> TB is an excellent newsreader. You simply have to figure out how to
>>> configure it.
>>
>> As compared to what? No it's not all that and I do have it configured.
>> I will give it another week to get used to it though.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I used to like Outlook Express but when it was taken away, I tried
> Agent. Much later I tried Thunderbird Portable and that is what I use
> 95% of the time. TB has good support if you have questions. Is there
> something in particular you need?

Yes, I used OE with Quotefix but they did away with it and subsequent
mail programs sucked as newsreaders. Once I got used to Thunderbird
I've been pleased as punch.

Jill