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On 4/10/2017 6:16 PM, sf wrote:

>>>>
>>>> Same here. JUst not for me. Give me my 5 burner gas stove and my cast
>>>> iron.
>>>
>>> If Hubert Keller can cook on a glass-top, so can you.
>>>
>>>

>> Who gives a rat's ass about Hubert Keller? He's not the one using the
>> stove and doing the cooking in our homes.
>>

>
> Which shows how little you know.
>
>
>

Yeah, he cooks in my home frequently.
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On 4/10/2017 6:32 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/10/2017 6:16 PM, sf wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> Same here. JUst not for me. Give me my 5 burner gas stove and my cast
>>>>> iron.
>>>>
>>>> If Hubert Keller can cook on a glass-top, so can you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Who gives a rat's ass about Hubert Keller? He's not the one using the
>>> stove and doing the cooking in our homes.
>>>

>>
>> Which shows how little you know.
>>
>>
>>

> Yeah, he cooks in my home frequently.
>



He can replace his monthly for free, to keep the product placement
looking like new.
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In article >,
says...
>
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 17:33:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2017-04-10 3:10 PM,
wrote:
> >> On Mon, 10 Apr 2017 13:15:37 -0400,
wrote:
> >>

> >
> >>> People who have glass top stoves don't do any significant cooking...
> >>> they buy them primarily for show, not go.... has anyone ever seen a
> >>> glass cooktop in a restaurnat kitchen, I've never.
> >>
> >> some people have better things to do than labouriously cleaning stove
> >> tops

> >
> >
> >I probably spent more time scraping and scouring the glass top than the
> >total time I have spent wiping stove tops and cleaning ovens. I don't
> >think I am exaggerating. I probably spent an hour each week scraping and
> >buffing, and that thing managed to always have caked on rings around the
> >burner.


Either the controls were very poor or you're a very messy inattentive
cook.

> Mine is the best stove I have ever had, self clean oven and the glass
> top. I use a razor blade paint scraper (one came with it) briefly
> about once a week and sometimes a squirt of ceram clean that's all.
> It;s 11 years old now and was top o the line Whirlpool and I consider
> money well spent.


I've never needed a razorblade on mine. If anything spills over I
wipe it off fast with wet paper towel before it burns on. If there's any
residue, when it's cold I use cream cleaner; but that's rarely needed.
At the end of every meal, as I clean up the kitchen I wipe over all
work surfaces including the glass stovetop with a soapy wet cloth. That
way nothing ever builds up to get baked on next time.

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Mine is like yours, Lucretia....11 years now for mine. I love it. And
though I don't cook much now because of physical problems, the
Whirlpool certainly got a workout the first five years I had it.

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On Tue, 11 Apr 2017 09:09:58 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
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>Mine is like yours, Lucretia....11 years now for mine. I love it. And
>though I don't cook much now because of physical problems, the
>Whirlpool certainly got a workout the first five years I had it.
>
>N.


ditto i used to xmas and a myriad of family meals but i have passed
the torch now. Most I do is ask two in.
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> On 4/10/2017 6:16 PM, sf wrote:
>
> > > > >
> > > > > Same here. JUst not for me. Give me my 5 burner gas stove
> > > > > and my cast iron.
> > > >
> > > > If Hubert Keller can cook on a glass-top, so can you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Who gives a rat's ass about Hubert Keller? He's not the one
> > > using the stove and doing the cooking in our homes.
> > >

> >
> > Which shows how little you know.
> >
> >
> >

> Yeah, he cooks in my home frequently.


LOL! I had to look him up. Never heard of him, though he's probably a
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> jmcquown wrote:
> > > Sky wrote:
> > >
> >> . . . used very carefully on an electric, non-induction,
> >> glass-top cooking surface? Like one of those heavy, two-sided
> >> (smooth or grooved) griddles made by Lodge. I don't have either,
> >> although I may consider the griddle as a gift for someone who
> >> does use a glass-top stove. Hence my question ;D TIA.

> >
> > True, and I looked at the griddle in the link and it says it is NOT
> > suitable for using on a glass cooktop. (I wouldn't pay $73 for a
> > griddle, either.)

>
> I'm not sure about glass smooth tops but with standard electric/gas
> stovetops those griddles that span two burners cause heat damage to
> the stove top finish between burners (discoloring/crazing). I got
> one as a gift as part of a holiday food basket and gave it to someone
> who still wanted it after I warned them... it ruined their stove top.
> If someone has a lot of griddling to do I recommend multiple standard
> griddles, one per burner. For $73 one can certainly buy two/three
> quality griddles.
>
https://www.amazon.com/Lodge-L8SGP3-...10-5-inch/dp/B
> 0000CF66W/ref=sr_1_16?ie=UTF8&qid=1491841196&sr=8-16&keywords=stove+to
> p+griddle Personally I've no use for ridged cookware (PIA to clean),
> for grill marks an outdoor grill works best, or just use a magic
> marker and don't tell anyone. lol I prefer griddling with a large SS
> skillet or a large braizer, it's high sides custs way down on
> spatter... this is a very nice piece of cookware and has many uses,
> stovetop and oven:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...aiser%20stainl
> ess%20steel&qid=1453675960&ref_=sr_1_3&sr=8-3


Huh? No they do not damage the stove top at all.

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I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

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>I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.


A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.
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>>I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

>
> A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
> When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.




When I see them, I think they're cooking with a medium that they like and
prefer.

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On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 10:17:18 -0700, "Cheri" >
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> wrote in message
.. .
>> Nancy2 wrote:
>>>
>>>I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

>>
>> A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
>> When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.

>
>
>
>When I see them, I think they're cooking with a medium that they like and
>prefer.
>
>Cheri


A capable and experienced cook can use just about anything- gas, coil
stove, glass/ceramic top, induction, charcoal or gas grill, wood fire,
etc. All it takes is a bit of use to get familiar and smarts.
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On 4/12/2017 1:33 PM, Boron wrote:

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> A capable and experienced cook can use just about anything- gas, coil
> stove, glass/ceramic top, induction, charcoal or gas grill, wood fire,
> etc. All it takes is a bit of use to get familiar and smarts.
>


True, and no matter your preference you won't convince others it is
better than their preference.
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On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 7:08:58 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
> >
> >I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

>
> A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
> When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.


Actually, all adults, kids, and old folks should be cooking with induction. That would reduce kitchen fires down to near zero.
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 10:17:18 -0700, "Cheri" >
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>> Nancy2 wrote:
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>>>I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

>>
>> A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
>> When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.

>
>
>
>When I see them, I think they're cooking with a medium that they like and
>prefer.
>
>Cheri


Right and of course, just as easy to get a burn as on any other stove.
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On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 2:47:45 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 7:08:58 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > Nancy2 wrote:
> > >
> > >I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

> >
> > A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
> > When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.

>
> Actually, all adults, kids, and old folks should be cooking with induction. That would reduce kitchen fires down to near zero.


Amazingly, the incidence of kitchen fires in my house is
zero. No induction required, and I can use my preferred
teflon-coated aluminum pans.

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> I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.


Like that really counts for anything. Stupid worthless kid cooking
shows.
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On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 9:04:55 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 2:47:45 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 7:08:58 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > Nancy2 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.
> > >
> > > A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
> > > When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.

> >
> > Actually, all adults, kids, and old folks should be cooking with induction. That would reduce kitchen fires down to near zero.

>
> Amazingly, the incidence of kitchen fires in my house is
> zero. No induction required, and I can use my preferred
> teflon-coated aluminum pans.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


That's statistics for you. Mostly, it greatly reduces your chances for a kitchen fire. This is independant of whether you've had a kitchen fire or not. I wish I could use teflon pans too - teflon coated steel pans are kind of hard to find.
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dsi1 wrote:
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> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 7:08:58 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > Nancy2 wrote:
> > >
> > >I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

> >
> > A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
> > When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.

>
> Actually, all adults, kids, and old folks should be cooking with induction. That would reduce kitchen fires down to near zero.


I predict that induction cooking is a new gimmick. (call now and get a
2nd one for free). Just like the beta version of taping shows went many
years ago. Glass tops are for show kitchens too, imo.
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On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 9:05:53 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
> >
> > I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

>
> Like that really counts for anything. Stupid worthless kid cooking
> shows.


Say, that's really harsh. Kids that cook are cute. I was a kid that cooked. I was cute.
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On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 9:05:53 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
> >
> > I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

>
> Like that really counts for anything. Stupid worthless kid cooking
> shows.


Say, that's really harsh. Kids that cook are cute. I was a kid that cooked. I was cute.


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dsi1 wrote:
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> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 9:05:53 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > Nancy2 wrote:
> > >
> > > I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

> >
> > Like that really counts for anything. Stupid worthless kid cooking
> > shows.

>
> Say, that's really harsh. Kids that cook are cute. I was a kid that cooked. I was cute.


Those kid's parents and family would enjoy those shows, not me. Sorry.
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On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 9:14:26 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 7:08:58 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> > > Nancy2 wrote:
> > > >
> > > >I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.
> > >
> > > A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
> > > When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.

> >
> > Actually, all adults, kids, and old folks should be cooking with induction. That would reduce kitchen fires down to near zero.

>
> I predict that induction cooking is a new gimmick. (call now and get a
> 2nd one for free). Just like the beta version of taping shows went many
> years ago. Glass tops are for show kitchens too, imo.


Sooner or later people will have to switch to induction because it's energy efficient. You know how people are switching to more energy efficient LED lighting and electric cars? Same thing. That solar array on your roof is not going to work with a gas range.
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On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 9:16:48 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 9:05:53 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > > Nancy2 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.
> > >
> > > Like that really counts for anything. Stupid worthless kid cooking
> > > shows.

> >
> > Say, that's really harsh. Kids that cook are cute. I was a kid that cooked. I was cute.

>
> Those kid's parents and family would enjoy those shows, not me. Sorry.


No need to be sorry. I don't care much for those obnoxious brats on those shows either.
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On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:14:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:


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>I predict that induction cooking is a new gimmick. (call now and get a
>2nd one for free).


You might want to do a bit of traveling to Europe or Asia and see
what's used.



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dsi1 wrote:
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> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 9:05:53 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> > Nancy2 wrote:
> > >
> > > I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

> >
> > Like that really counts for anything. Stupid worthless kid cooking
> > shows.

>
> Say, that's really harsh. Kids that cook are cute. I was a kid that
> cooked. I was cute.


Those kid's parents and family would enjoy those shows, not me. Sorry.

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On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 10:21:58 AM UTC-10, Boron wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 15:14:12 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>
> >
> >I predict that induction cooking is a new gimmick. (call now and get a
> >2nd one for free).

>
> You might want to do a bit of traveling to Europe or Asia and see
> what's used.


Americans think that the air we breathe is just fine. We don't understand why the rest of the world is getting so excited about this fossil fuel baloney. Our fearless leader say that it's just something the Chinese cooked up to make America less competitive. You can never trust those funny yellow people over there!
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> On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 10:17:18 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
> > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> Nancy2 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show
> > > > recently.
> > >
> >> A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
> >> When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.

> >
> >
> >
> > When I see them, I think they're cooking with a medium that they
> > like and prefer.
> >
> > Cheri

>
> A capable and experienced cook can use just about anything- gas, coil
> stove, glass/ceramic top, induction, charcoal or gas grill, wood fire,
> etc. All it takes is a bit of use to get familiar and smarts.


This is true. I still dislike them but for a purely personal reason.
Back when they were really new on the market, I had one in an apartment.

Being the earliest rendition of them, yes, they had all sorts of
problems! Problems that I am sure now are largely resolved. My room
mates and I had to shift to a new apartment (previous tiny house was
being given back to owner's son to live in) and they were all in love
with that kitchen and the glass top. It lasted less than 2 weeks then
we all hated it.

Earlist ones had the following issues (again, I am sure resolved 3
decades or more later or no one would like them):
- Had to use special pans and those were not cheap (or provided)
- Scratched or chipped if you looked at them wrong
- Discolored no matter what you did (looked like burn marks)
- Very slow to bring anything to heat (yes, we had the special pots)
- Apartment neighbor slid an overboiling pot to a cool spot and the
whole thing cracked in half (that is what she told us)

It did have a few charms:
- If you wanted a really LOW LOW simmer, it was very good at that
- One roomate liked warmed but extremely runny eggs (hard to get just
right) and liked it for that
- You could warm flour tortillias right on the top then brush it off or
keep them warm for about 10 minutes at lowest setting with no burning
- Although we had no toddlers, we did note it was safer around them

Anyways, because we knew if it was damaged, the owner would keep all
our deposit (and we needed it for the next place), we didn't use it
after about 3 weeks except for the above mentioned good points.
Instead, we hit up the local flea market and got a 3 burner electric
counter top which we put on a blackboard piece (felt under it) on top
of the glass top and pulled out an electric skillet and my old 'fry
daddy Jr' for another spot on the counter. That worked and we got our
deposit back unlike most.

This doesnt mean Electric or Gas don't have their drawbacks!

Electric:
- Generally can't slide a pan all the way across the stove. Lifting a
boil-over can be awkward and it won't stop right away just by turning
the heat off due to the hot element
- Generally more expensive than gas to operate (assume same as glasstop
there) but much cheaper to install if no gas hookups already in place
- Most have set temp positions (although I have been in places with
sliding temps on them)
- Any pot will work, but thinner ones are often a better choice

Gas:
- Some don't have a full grate so you can slide just like on a flat-top
glass type (mine does, all 5 burners plus a griddle plate for OVER that
for the center burner if desired)
- Absolutely must have a diffuser (or 3) as the lowest setting is still
too high often with some things (just got a new one for 9$)
- People used to electric, will probably burn a few meals at the outset
until they get used to that 451F thing going on (grin)
- Any pot will work but often thicker ones are a better choice
- May have to close a door or window if there is a stiff enough draft
to potentially blow out the flame on a burner in use (Danger Will
Robinson!)

Not sure how many may agree or disagree, but having used all 3, that's
my take but seriously, the early flaws of the glass top were just that,
early versions. I'm sure the modern glass tops are quite functional for
cooking or we'd not see folks like Ed using them.



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> >
> > A capable and experienced cook can use just about anything- gas,
> > coil stove, glass/ceramic top, induction, charcoal or gas grill,
> > wood fire, etc. All it takes is a bit of use to get familiar and
> > smarts.
> >

>
> True, and no matter your preference you won't convince others it is
> better than their preference.


Oh I dunno Ed. I think folks can span the gap. The modern ones are
afterall, 2,000% better than the infancy of the type that I was subject
to. Now, because of *that experience* you can probably never convince
*me* to get one, but the final denominator since I have all the other
advantages with my higher end gas range top, is mine costs less to
operate. (see earlier message to make sense of that).

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On 2017-04-12 3:14 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> Like that really counts for anything. Stupid worthless kid cooking
>> shows.

>
> Say, that's really harsh. Kids that cook are cute. I was a kid that
> cooked. I was cute.



I have never watched more than a few minutes of kid cooking
competitions. They are revolting. They appear to be kids being groomed
for careers in show biz.



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On 2017-04-12 3:16 PM, Gary wrote:
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>> Say, that's really harsh. Kids that cook are cute. I was a kid that
>> cooked. I was cute.

>
> Those kid's parents and family would enjoy those shows, not me.
> Sorry.




Yep. That's about it. They are like little girl beauty pageants. The
kids are obviously being coached in what to say.




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On 4/12/2017 1:17 PM, Cheri wrote:
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>> Nancy2 wrote:
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>>> I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.

>>
>> A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
>> When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.

>
>
>
> When I see them, I think they're cooking with a medium that they like
> and prefer.
>
> Cheri


True enough, but is using cast iron on one really a good idea?

In the link provided earlier showing a cast iron griddle, the
description of the griddle specifically said it was NOT recommended for
use on glass stove tops. I'd rather go with what the griddle mfg's say
about using the product than decide, what the heck, too bad, so sad if I
break the glass stove top. <shrug>

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On 4/12/2017 1:33 PM, Boron wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Apr 2017 10:17:18 -0700, "Cheri" >
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>> > wrote in message
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>>> Nancy2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.
>>>
>>> A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot elements.
>>> When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think juveniles.

>>
>>
>>
>> When I see them, I think they're cooking with a medium that they like and
>> prefer.
>>
>> Cheri

>
> A capable and experienced cook can use just about anything- gas, coil
> stove, glass/ceramic top, induction, charcoal or gas grill, wood fire,
> etc. All it takes is a bit of use to get familiar and smarts.
>

True. But is cast iron really a good idea on a glass cooktop?

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On 4/11/2017 2:05 PM, cshenk wrote:
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>> On 4/10/2017 1:15 PM, wrote:
>>> Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> lucretiaborgia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> i use cast iron on a glass cooktop, zero problems.
>>>>
>>>> We used cast iron on ours and it always left dark rings that were
>>>> hard to remove.
>>>
>>> People who have glass top stoves don't do any significant cooking...
>>> they buy them primarily for show, not go.... has anyone ever seen a
>>> glass cooktop in a restaurnat kitchen, I've never.
>>>

>> We all believe you've been in every restaurant kitchen. However, on
>> this point I will agree with you. They don't use glass top stoves in
>> restaurants.
>>
>> As for moving heavy pots and pans around on a stove... yes, I do
>> that. Got some heavy cookware, too. I take things off the heat, put
>> them on another burner on reduced heat, whatever. It's called
>> "cooking".
>>
>> Jill

>
> Same here Jill. I have nothing against glass tops for those who like
> them, but my gas oven has solid tops and I can slide from burner to
> burner across them as easily as a glass top, and no worry on scratching
> the cast iron overlays.
>

I have an old electric stove. I don't even think about "sliding"
cookware across the stove top surface. LOL I don't think I ever have
been able to slide pots and pans across a stove top. Just move the
pan/skillet/pot to a different burner. <shrug> I grew up with electric
stoves from childhood. The ability to slide doesn't make me want a
glass top. <shrug>

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On 4/11/2017 2:08 PM, cshenk wrote:
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>> On 4/10/2017 6:16 PM, sf wrote:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same here. JUst not for me. Give me my 5 burner gas stove
>>>>>> and my cast iron.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Hubert Keller can cook on a glass-top, so can you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Who gives a rat's ass about Hubert Keller? He's not the one
>>>> using the stove and doing the cooking in our homes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which shows how little you know.
>>>
>>>
>>>

>> Yeah, he cooks in my home frequently.

>
> LOL! I had to look him up. Never heard of him, though he's probably a
> good cook.
>

He's a restaurant owner. He's not cooking in my house so whether or not
he likes a glass cook top makes no difference to me.

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>> On Wednesday, April 12, 2017 at 9:05:53 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> > Nancy2 wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show recently.
>> >
>> > Like that really counts for anything. Stupid worthless kid cooking
>> > shows.

>>
>> Say, that's really harsh. Kids that cook are cute. I was a kid that
>> cooked. I was cute.

>
> Those kid's parents and family would enjoy those shows, not me. Sorry.




I hate those shows too. They're everywhere, they're everywhere...Seriously,
I dislike what the food channels are becoming as a rule, all those contests
etc. I do like most of the cooking shows on PBS, but they're not always on.

Cheri

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