On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 20:10:26 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>wrote in message ...
>
>On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:33:00 -0700, "Cheri" >
>wrote:
>
> wrote in message
>>news
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I had gas piped to the stove andreplaced the electric with
>>>>a gas stovetop which I have been happy with. For myself,
>>>>I did prefer ovens with the bare element because they
>>>>heated faster and also when they did burn out, I
>>>>could replace it myself. In the new one, no way.
>>>
>>> Since you replaced the stove top with gas why not the oven too?
>>> Gas is the less expensive fuel and it's typically the oven that uses
>>> more fuel than cook tops,
>>
>>Because I like an electric oven and a gas stovetop. I have had gas ovens in
>>the old days, and I know they are very much improved these days, no pilot
>>etc., but electric oven works for me so no reason to change.
>>
>>Cheri
>
>Are you saying you still have your electric stove just for the oven...
>if so I would have gotten a gas stove. It's been a very long time
>since gas stoves had pilot lights. Having two separate appliances
>makes no sense to me... what's there to like better about an electric
>oven, unless you like higher electric bills.
>
>===
>
>Why? I have a gas hob and two wall ovens. It is what suits me.

That's fine... you have a gas countertop hob and two gas wall ovens.
But she didn't say anything about having electric wall ovens, she said
electric stove... a stove is a combination of oven and top burners. It
makes not a whit of sense to install a gas countertop hob (like yours)
and keep an old electric stove just for its electric oven. A normal
person would have gotten rid of the old electric stove and replaced it
with a gas stove. There is absolutely no benefit to an electric oven
over a gas oven... however an electric oven costs some 30% more to
operate over a gas oven.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message

> I think I just realized that you have a separate oooktop and a
> separate oven, unless your referring to a dual fuel range. My
> Frigidaire range has one of the largest ovens in the industry. As
> for all the beeps, I was able to program to "off", so I only get a
> beep when the oven reacches temperature, or if the timer has been set
> and goes off for the time I set. There are so darnd many products
> out there that it's almost impossible to keep track of everything in
> the industry.

Yes, I have an electric wall oven and a gas stovetop. I was told by the
potential oven installer who came to take measurments that I couldn't get a
bigger wall oven due to the cutout size, but the next potential installer
said it wasn't a problem to make it bigger so the bigger GE could go in, the
oven area is larger than the Fridgidaire that I had. I imagine the first
seller/installer just didn't want to bother. On mine, I can't turn off
the door open beep and it really doesn't give much time before it beeps and
starts flashing open door. I don't mind the reach temp beep, but I got along
fine without that too.

Cheri

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> The only fan I have in my Frigidaire range oven is the convection fan
> when is surrounded by it's own heating element. Unless I'm using the
> pre-heat option or baking with full convection, the fan never turns
> on, and it definitely doesn't run when the oven is turned off. There
> just be a million variatons. :-)

Yes, and I can tell you that that fan really heats the kitchen up in the
summer, the Frigidaire didn't much at all. It's nice in the winter though.

Cheri

> wrote in message
...

> Are you saying you still have your electric stove just for the oven...
> if so I would have gotten a gas stove. It's been a very long time
> since gas stoves had pilot lights. Having two separate appliances
> makes no sense to me... what's there to like better about an electric
> oven, unless you like higher electric bills.


It doesn't have to make sense to you though. I'm saying that the wall oven
is electric, and the stovetop is gas, which was originally electric. I
changed the stovetop to gas and I like it that way. My electric bill is very
reasonable since installing a new air conditioning/heat unit, as is my gas
bill.

Cheri

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 20:10:26 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>wrote in message ...
>>
>>On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:33:00 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
>>>news >>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I had gas piped to the stove andreplaced the electric with
>>>>>a gas stovetop which I have been happy with. For myself,
>>>>>I did prefer ovens with the bare element because they
>>>>>heated faster and also when they did burn out, I
>>>>>could replace it myself. In the new one, no way.
>>>>
>>>> Since you replaced the stove top with gas why not the oven too?
>>>> Gas is the less expensive fuel and it's typically the oven that uses
>>>> more fuel than cook tops,
>>>
>>>Because I like an electric oven and a gas stovetop. I have had gas ovens
>>>in
>>>the old days, and I know they are very much improved these days, no pilot
>>>etc., but electric oven works for me so no reason to change.
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>>Are you saying you still have your electric stove just for the oven...
>>if so I would have gotten a gas stove. It's been a very long time
>>since gas stoves had pilot lights. Having two separate appliances
>>makes no sense to me... what's there to like better about an electric
>>oven, unless you like higher electric bills.
>>
>>===
>>
>>Why? I have a gas hob and two wall ovens. It is what suits me.
>
> That's fine... you have a gas countertop hob and two gas wall ovens.
> But she didn't say anything about having electric wall ovens, she said
> electric stove... a stove is a combination of oven and top burners. It
> makes not a whit of sense to install a gas countertop hob (like yours)
> and keep an old electric stove just for its electric oven. A normal
> person would have gotten rid of the old electric stove and replaced it
> with a gas stove. There is absolutely no benefit to an electric oven
> over a gas oven... however an electric oven costs some 30% more to
> operate over a gas oven.


What part of *stovetop* did you not understand? Do you really think I have a
gas stovetop and an electric range next to it. LMAO

Cheri

> wrote in message
...

> She originally said she had an all electric stove, then when gas was
> available got the gas cooktop, I assume a countertop cooktop... so she
> must still have the electric stove but isn't using the electric top
> burners. She never said anything about having seperate wall ovens,
> she said stove. She really was very unclear, that's why my
> questioning. And when I asked what's better about an electric oven
> saying that's what I like is a non answer because that's not what's
> better about the electric oven. The only real differences between an
> electric oven and a gas oven is the fuel and that electric costs more
> than gas. If somone is going to be switching to gas cooking the
> normal person would buy a whole new gas stove, not go to to the
> trouble and expense of buying and installing a gas countertop unit...
> that means she gave up that countertop space for no viable reason and
> has to look at those unused electric cooktop burners collecting dust
> on the old stove. Maybe she installed that new gas cooktop in her
> bathroom vanity. LOL


No, the gas stovetop replaced the electric stovetop in the stovetop cutout
that is above the pull out pots and pans cupboards and the wall oven is an
electric oven installed in a larger cutout than the original cutout so the
oven could be larger than the old oven. Why? Because I like it that way! I
hope that makes it clear enough for you. LOL and EOD

Cheri

On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 17:07:30 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
.. .
>
>> She originally said she had an all electric stove, then when gas was
>> available got the gas cooktop, I assume a countertop cooktop... so she
>> must still have the electric stove but isn't using the electric top
>> burners. She never said anything about having seperate wall ovens,
>> she said stove. She really was very unclear, that's why my
>> questioning. And when I asked what's better about an electric oven
>> saying that's what I like is a non answer because that's not what's
>> better about the electric oven. The only real differences between an
>> electric oven and a gas oven is the fuel and that electric costs more
>> than gas. If somone is going to be switching to gas cooking the
>> normal person would buy a whole new gas stove, not go to to the
>> trouble and expense of buying and installing a gas countertop unit...
>> that means she gave up that countertop space for no viable reason and
>> has to look at those unused electric cooktop burners collecting dust
>> on the old stove. Maybe she installed that new gas cooktop in her
>> bathroom vanity. LOL
>
>
>No, the gas stovetop replaced the electric stovetop in the stovetop cutout
>that is above the pull out pots and pans cupboards and the wall oven is an
>electric oven installed in a larger cutout than the original cutout so the
>oven could be larger than the old oven. Why? Because I like it that way! I
>hope that makes it clear enough for you. LOL and EOD
>
>Cheri

Now I know never to reply to your explanations as they make no sense
and you are unapreciative of any help,

wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:00:48 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On Thu, 13 Apr 2017 19:16:24 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote: >>
> >> > jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >> >
> >> >> On 4/12/2017 1:17 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >> >> > wrote in message
> >> >> > ...
> >> >> > > Nancy2 wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > I saw glass cooktops on a kids' cooking competition show
> >> >> > > > recently.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > A safety factor for children, no open flames or red hot
> >> elements. >> > > When I see adults cooking on glass tops I think
> >> juveniles. >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > When I see them, I think they're cooking with a medium that
> they >> >> > like and prefer.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Cheri
> >> >>
> >> >> True enough, but is using cast iron on one really a good idea?
> >> >>
> >> >> In the link provided earlier showing a cast iron griddle, the
> >> >> description of the griddle specifically said it was NOT
> recommended >> >> for use on glass stove tops. I'd rather go with
> what the griddle >> >> mfg's say about using the product than decide,
> what the heck, too >> >> bad, so sad if I break the glass stove top.
> <shrug> >> >>
> >> >> Jill
> >> >
> >> > Hi Jill,
> >> >
> >> > I think the problem here may be definition of 'cast iron'.
> There is >> > true full on cast iron, and there is stuff with coated
> botoms and >> > enameled. (call it thin layer of cast iron samwiched
> between >> > stuff).
> >> >
> >> > The layered stuff can easily be fine. The full on 'just cast
> iron' >> > may be problematic? No direct experience, but its not the
> total >> > 'no' that the earliest versions were.
> >>
> >> You might have play cast iron but i specified cast iron proper and
> le >> crueset.
> >
> > I do not have play cast iron, but then I have a gas stove.
>
> well you were the one warbling on about mock cast iron, not me. I
> have a large cast iron pan that was my fathers when he was a young
> lad, deadly heavy but perfectly safe and still a good cooking vessel
> om a glass top.

I was discussing a topic where Ed has aluminum clad. You are the one
calling it mock cast iron and calling something play cast iron. It was
not me.

--

"Cheri" wrote in message news
> wrote in message
...

> She originally said she had an all electric stove, then when gas was
> available got the gas cooktop, I assume a countertop cooktop... so she
> must still have the electric stove but isn't using the electric top
> burners. She never said anything about having seperate wall ovens,
> she said stove. She really was very unclear, that's why my
> questioning. And when I asked what's better about an electric oven
> saying that's what I like is a non answer because that's not what's
> better about the electric oven. The only real differences between an
> electric oven and a gas oven is the fuel and that electric costs more
> than gas. If somone is going to be switching to gas cooking the
> normal person would buy a whole new gas stove, not go to to the
> trouble and expense of buying and installing a gas countertop unit...
> that means she gave up that countertop space for no viable reason and
> has to look at those unused electric cooktop burners collecting dust
> on the old stove. Maybe she installed that new gas cooktop in her
> bathroom vanity. LOL


No, the gas stovetop replaced the electric stovetop in the stovetop cutout
that is above the pull out pots and pans cupboards and the wall oven is an
electric oven installed in a larger cutout than the original cutout so the
oven could be larger than the old oven. Why? Because I like it that way! I
hope that makes it clear enough for you. LOL and EOD

Cheri
==

EOD ?

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On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 20:10:26 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>wrote in message ...
>
>On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:33:00 -0700, "Cheri" >
>wrote:
>
> wrote in message
>>news
>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I had gas piped to the stove andreplaced the electric with
>>>>a gas stovetop which I have been happy with. For myself,
>>>>I did prefer ovens with the bare element because they
>>>>heated faster and also when they did burn out, I
>>>>could replace it myself. In the new one, no way.
>>>
>>> Since you replaced the stove top with gas why not the oven too?
>>> Gas is the less expensive fuel and it's typically the oven that uses
>>> more fuel than cook tops,
>>
>>Because I like an electric oven and a gas stovetop. I have had gas ovens
>>in
>>the old days, and I know they are very much improved these days, no pilot
>>etc., but electric oven works for me so no reason to change.
>>
>>Cheri
>
>Are you saying you still have your electric stove just for the oven...
>if so I would have gotten a gas stove. It's been a very long time
>since gas stoves had pilot lights. Having two separate appliances
>makes no sense to me... what's there to like better about an electric
>oven, unless you like higher electric bills.
>
>===
>
>Why? I have a gas hob and two wall ovens. It is what suits me.

That's fine... you have a gas countertop hob and two gas wall ovens.
But she didn't say anything about having electric wall ovens, she said
electric stove... a stove is a combination of oven and top burners. It
makes not a whit of sense to install a gas countertop hob (like yours)
and keep an old electric stove just for its electric oven. A normal
person would have gotten rid of the old electric stove and replaced it
with a gas stove. There is absolutely no benefit to an electric oven
over a gas oven... however an electric oven costs some 30% more to
operate over a gas oven.

==

Sorry I ought to have been clearer. My wall ovens are electric!



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"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
9.45...

On Fri 14 Apr 2017 04:51:48p, Cheri told us...

> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>
>> I think I just realized that you have a separate oooktop and a
>> separate oven, unless your referring to a dual fuel range. My
>> Frigidaire range has one of the largest ovens in the industry.
>> As for all the beeps, I was able to program to "off", so I only
>> get a beep when the oven reacches temperature, or if the timer
>> has been set and goes off for the time I set. There are so darnd
>> many products out there that it's almost impossible to keep track
>> of everything in the industry.
>
> Yes, I have an electric wall oven and a gas stovetop. I was told
> by the potential oven installer who came to take measurments that
> I couldn't get a bigger wall oven due to the cutout size, but the
> next potential installer said it wasn't a problem to make it
> bigger so the bigger GE could go in, the oven area is larger than
> the Fridgidaire that I had. I imagine the first seller/installer
> just didn't want to bother. On mine, I can't turn off the door
> open beep and it really doesn't give much time before it beeps and
> starts flashing open door. I don't mind the reach temp beep, but I
> got along fine without that too.
>
> Cheri
>
>

That open door beep would seriously bother me! Likewise with
refrigerator and freezer doors. They might make sense if you have
kids of a certain age, but unless I'm senile, I'm going to know when
any of the doors are ajar. If I'm senile, I shouldn't be cooking.
:-)


Wayne Boatwright

===

I haven't ever had anything like that. I can't say I am sorry



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"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
9.44...

On Sat 15 Apr 2017 01:00:59a, Ophelia told us...

> wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 20:10:26 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:33:00 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>wrote:
>>
> wrote in message
>>>news >>>> Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I had gas piped to the stove andreplaced the electric with
>>>>>a gas stovetop which I have been happy with. For myself,
>>>>>I did prefer ovens with the bare element because they
>>>>>heated faster and also when they did burn out, I could replace
>>>>>it myself. In the new one, no way.
>>>>
>>>> Since you replaced the stove top with gas why not the oven too?
>>>> Gas is the less expensive fuel and it's typically the oven that
>>>> uses more fuel than cook tops,
>>>
>>>Because I like an electric oven and a gas stovetop. I have had
>>>gas ovens in the old days, and I know they are very much improved
>>>these days, no pilot etc., but electric oven works for me so no
>>>reason to change.
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>>Are you saying you still have your electric stove just for the
>>oven... if so I would have gotten a gas stove. It's been a very
>>long time since gas stoves had pilot lights. Having two separate
>>appliances makes no sense to me... what's there to like better
>>about an electric oven, unless you like higher electric bills.
>>
>>===
>>
>>Why? I have a gas hob and two wall ovens. It is what suits me.
>
> That's fine... you have a gas countertop hob and two gas wall
> ovens. But she didn't say anything about having electric wall
> ovens, she said electric stove... a stove is a combination of oven
> and top burners. It makes not a whit of sense to install a gas
> countertop hob (like yours) and keep an old electric stove just
> for its electric oven. A normal person would have gotten rid of
> the old electric stove and replaced it with a gas stove. There is
> absolutely no benefit to an electric oven over a gas oven...
> however an electric oven costs some 30% more to operate over a gas
> oven.
>
> ==
>
> Sorry I ought to have been clearer. My wall ovens are electric!
>
>
>

I thought you were perfectly clear.


Wayne Boatwright

===

No, I didn't state they were electric and given the rest of the
conversation, they could easily have been gas


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On 4/15/2017 1:18 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>>
>>
>
> That open door beep would seriously bother me! Likewise with
> refrigerator and freezer doors. They might make sense if you have
> kids of a certain age, but unless I'm senile, I'm going to know when
> any of the doors are ajar. If I'm senile, I shouldn't be cooking.
> :-)
>

Up until a couple of weeks ago I'd have agreed with you. Still do on
the oven but not the fridge. I'd sure know it was wide open.

I closed the fridge door, or so I thought, but it did not fully engage.
Minutes later it beeped. Had it not, it could have stayed with a half
inch opening for a few hours.

Every day I'm a day closer to senility too so maybe this was a trial run.

On 4/15/2017 1:18 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 14 Apr 2017 04:51:48p, Cheri told us...

>> just didn't want to bother. On mine, I can't turn off the door
>> open beep and it really doesn't give much time before it beeps and
>> starts flashing open door. I don't mind the reach temp beep, but I
>> got along fine without that too.

> That open door beep would seriously bother me! Likewise with
> refrigerator and freezer doors. They might make sense if you have
> kids of a certain age, but unless I'm senile, I'm going to know when
> any of the doors are ajar. If I'm senile, I shouldn't be cooking.

We stayed at a place a few weeks ago. At some point there started
to be a beep about every minute. You know how it is, stand over
here and it sounds like it's over there. And vice versa. Is it
the smoke detector? No. Microwave? No.

Drove us crazy.

Next morning at some point it stopped. Whew. Then it was back.
Notified the front desk and got a voice mail during the day that
it was fixed. Thank you.

Later ... beep. Are you kidding me with this beep? Then I said
The dishwasher! I put something in the dishwasher. So if you
don't push the door all the way closed, it beeps. Grrr.

nancy

On 4/13/2017 8:16 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Hi Jill,
>
> I think the problem here may be definition of 'cast iron'. There is
> true full on cast iron, and there is stuff with coated botoms and
> enameled. (call it thin layer of cast iron samwiched between stuff).
>
> The layered stuff can easily be fine. The full on 'just cast iron' may
> be problematic? No direct experience, but its not the total 'no' that
> the earliest versions were.

I own Lodge cast iron. But my grandmother's cast iron griddle was made
in Ohio. It's a Griswold.

I do have some ceramic coated cast iron pots and pans. It's not Le
Creuset, it's Descoware. Made in Belgium, post WWII. That's where Le
Creuset got the orange flame colour... they bought out the Descoware
company.

I never once said I had a glass top stove. I do think cast iron pots or
griddles might damage one. <shrug>

Jill

On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 10:04:48 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 4/13/2017 8:16 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Hi Jill,
>>
>> I think the problem here may be definition of 'cast iron'. There is
>> true full on cast iron, and there is stuff with coated botoms and
>> enameled. (call it thin layer of cast iron samwiched between stuff).
>>
>> The layered stuff can easily be fine. The full on 'just cast iron' may
>> be problematic? No direct experience, but its not the total 'no' that
>> the earliest versions were.
>
>I own Lodge cast iron. But my grandmother's cast iron griddle was made
>in Ohio. It's a Griswold.
>
>I do have some ceramic coated cast iron pots and pans. It's not Le
>Creuset, it's Descoware. Made in Belgium, post WWII. That's where Le
>Creuset got the orange flame colour... they bought out the Descoware
>company.
>
>I never once said I had a glass top stove. I do think cast iron pots or
>griddles might damage one. <shrug>
>
>Jill

may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'

On 2017-04-15 10:54 AM, wrote:

>> I never once said I had a glass top stove. I do think cast iron pots or
>> griddles might damage one. <shrug>
>>
>> Jill
>
> may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
> perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'
>

I have a number of cast iron pans and I had a glass top. The cast iron
pans left thick dark rings that were a hell of a job to remove. We went
back to conventional burners.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> I closed the fridge door, or so I thought, but it did not fully engage.
> Minutes later it beeped. Had it not, it could have stayed with a half
> inch opening for a few hours.

I agree with you there, for sure. A "door ajar" beeper on a fridge would
be a good thing. I've learned to press mine tight as they sometimes
won't close tight themselves. An alert for that would be nice.

wrote:
>
> may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
> perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'


Forget the stove vs cast iron for now, my friend.
I do have a question for you....

I just wonder WHY you still use the cast iron?
It's heavy stuff and annoying to use (imo).
I'm a young enough strong guy and I've always hated
the weight of the pans. I gave all of mine to my
daughter several months ago.

I cast off my cast iron pans. Good riddance.
That's all people had 150 years ago.
I do fine with my lightweight stainless steel pans now.
Never had a problem cooking with them.

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 4/13/2017 8:16 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Hi Jill,
> >
> > I think the problem here may be definition of 'cast iron'. There is
> > true full on cast iron, and there is stuff with coated botoms and
> > enameled. (call it thin layer of cast iron samwiched between
> > stuff).
> >
> > The layered stuff can easily be fine. The full on 'just cast iron'
> > may be problematic? No direct experience, but its not the total
> > 'no' that the earliest versions were.
>
> I own Lodge cast iron. But my grandmother's cast iron griddle was
> made in Ohio. It's a Griswold.
>
> I do have some ceramic coated cast iron pots and pans. It's not Le
> Creuset, it's Descoware. Made in Belgium, post WWII. That's where
> Le Creuset got the orange flame colour... they bought out the
> Descoware company.
>
> I never once said I had a glass top stove. I do think cast iron pots
> or griddles might damage one. <shrug>
>
> Jill

Hi Jill,

I suspect the more modern glass tops can handle them but have no direct
experience. I do know some here are using both clad cast iron and
regular (no enamel, no cladding) on them with glass tops now. My
simple assumption is they are smooth bottomed not ring raised a bit, so
they get a full heat transfer.

Carol

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On 2017-04-15 11:38 AM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> I closed the fridge door, or so I thought, but it did not fully engage.
>> Minutes later it beeped. Had it not, it could have stayed with a half
>> inch opening for a few hours.
>
> I agree with you there, for sure. A "door ajar" beeper on a fridge would
> be a good thing. I've learned to press mine tight as they sometimes
> won't close tight themselves. An alert for that would be nice.

It's not a bad idea. Sometimes when you are busy and you think the door
is closed it isn't really.

On 2017-04-15 9:48 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
>> perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'
>
>
> Forget the stove vs cast iron for now, my friend.
> I do have a question for you....
>
> I just wonder WHY you still use the cast iron?
> It's heavy stuff and annoying to use (imo).
> I'm a young enough strong guy and I've always hated
> the weight of the pans. I gave all of mine to my
> daughter several months ago.
>
> I cast off my cast iron pans. Good riddance.
> That's all people had 150 years ago.
> I do fine with my lightweight stainless steel pans now.
> Never had a problem cooking with them.
>
You have a good point there! I still use my Le Creuset pots for braising
but with smaller amounts to cook I use SS pans. In the oven there's no
difference in the results. I think that CI would be good at moderating
wild swings in temperature in the average oven but in convection mode,
my oven maintains the temperature to within a degree.
I bake bread in my CI pots, I even bought a Lodge dutch oven for the
purpose.

On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 5:48:39 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
> >
> > may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
> > perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'
>
>
> Forget the stove vs cast iron for now, my friend.
> I do have a question for you....
>
> I just wonder WHY you still use the cast iron?
> It's heavy stuff and annoying to use (imo).
> I'm a young enough strong guy and I've always hated
> the weight of the pans. I gave all of mine to my
> daughter several months ago.
>
> I cast off my cast iron pans. Good riddance.
> That's all people had 150 years ago.
> I do fine with my lightweight stainless steel pans now.
> Never had a problem cooking with them.

You should also wonder why people would use an ancient Windows client program to post to newsgroups. OTOH, I might use a cast iron pan to fry up some chicken or sear ahi. The shape is better for chicken frying (steeper sides) and it works great for searing ahi or a steak.

dsi1 wrote:
>
> You should also wonder why people would use an ancient Windows client program to post to newsgroups.

For newsgroups only, I still use Win98 computer and Netscape, smart ass
of the island variety. Why? Because it works perfectly and doesn't
weigh a ton.

I also hate this tiny little laptop that does everything else.
Next computer will definitely be a full size desktop.

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message news > > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> She originally said she had an all electric stove, then when gas was
>> available got the gas cooktop, I assume a countertop cooktop... so she
>> must still have the electric stove but isn't using the electric top
>> burners. She never said anything about having seperate wall ovens,
>> she said stove. She really was very unclear, that's why my
>> questioning. And when I asked what's better about an electric oven
>> saying that's what I like is a non answer because that's not what's
>> better about the electric oven. The only real differences between an
>> electric oven and a gas oven is the fuel and that electric costs more
>> than gas. If somone is going to be switching to gas cooking the
>> normal person would buy a whole new gas stove, not go to to the
>> trouble and expense of buying and installing a gas countertop unit...
>> that means she gave up that countertop space for no viable reason and
>> has to look at those unused electric cooktop burners collecting dust
>> on the old stove. Maybe she installed that new gas cooktop in her
>> bathroom vanity. LOL
>
>
> No, the gas stovetop replaced the electric stovetop in the stovetop cutout
> that is above the pull out pots and pans cupboards and the wall oven is an
> electric oven installed in a larger cutout than the original cutout so the
> oven could be larger than the old oven. Why? Because I like it that way! I
> hope that makes it clear enough for you. LOL and EOD
>
> Cheri ==
>
> EOD ?

End of discussion, especially with him on that subject.

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> You should also wonder why people would use an ancient Windows client
>> program to post to newsgroups.
>
> For newsgroups only, I still use Win98 computer and Netscape, smart ass
> of the island variety. Why? Because it works perfectly and doesn't
> weigh a ton.
>
> I also hate this tiny little laptop that does everything else.
> Next computer will definitely be a full size desktop.


So far, I think Win98 was one of the best OS, we still use ours for games
etc.

Cheri

In article >, says...
>
> wrote:
> >
> > may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
> > perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'
>
>
> Forget the stove vs cast iron for now, my friend.
> I do have a question for you....
>
> I just wonder WHY you still use the cast iron?

Perfect material for a long slow simmer. Or for a really hot sear.


> It's heavy stuff and annoying to use (imo).

Not annoying to me. Maybe it's because I've got enough grit to handle
a sticky label.

When my largest Le Creuset cast iron got too heavy I passed it to the
kids but I still use the smaller sizes.


Janet.

On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 7:19:29 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > You should also wonder why people would use an ancient Windows client program to post to newsgroups.
>
> For newsgroups only, I still use Win98 computer and Netscape, smart ass
> of the island variety. Why? Because it works perfectly and doesn't
> weigh a ton.
>
> I also hate this tiny little laptop that does everything else.
> Next computer will definitely be a full size desktop.

Wait a minute... did you just say you use Windows 98 and Netscape? I guess you just answered your question about why people use cast iron - it works.

On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 11:08:41 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-15 10:54 AM, wrote:
>
>>> I never once said I had a glass top stove. I do think cast iron pots or
>>> griddles might damage one. <shrug>
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
>> perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'
>>
>
>I have a number of cast iron pans and I had a glass top. The cast iron
>pans left thick dark rings that were a hell of a job to remove. We went
>back to conventional burners.

none of that happens to me and this is the second glass top.

On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 11:48:41 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
>> perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'
>
>
>Forget the stove vs cast iron for now, my friend.
>I do have a question for you....
>
>I just wonder WHY you still use the cast iron?
>It's heavy stuff and annoying to use (imo).
>I'm a young enough strong guy and I've always hated
>the weight of the pans. I gave all of mine to my
>daughter several months ago.
>
>I cast off my cast iron pans. Good riddance.
>That's all people had 150 years ago.
>I do fine with my lightweight stainless steel pans now.
>Never had a problem cooking with them.

Nah, I love my casst iron pans, always have. i used a light pan the
other day because of my hand situation and even though it was just a
burger, very disappointing Lucky daughter

On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 09:50:33 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 5:48:39 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
>> > perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'
>>
>>
>> Forget the stove vs cast iron for now, my friend.
>> I do have a question for you....
>>
>> I just wonder WHY you still use the cast iron?
>> It's heavy stuff and annoying to use (imo).
>> I'm a young enough strong guy and I've always hated
>> the weight of the pans. I gave all of mine to my
>> daughter several months ago.
>>
>> I cast off my cast iron pans. Good riddance.
>> That's all people had 150 years ago.
>> I do fine with my lightweight stainless steel pans now.
>> Never had a problem cooking with them.
>
>You should also wonder why people would use an ancient Windows client program to post to newsgroups. OTOH, I might use a cast iron pan to fry up some chicken or sear ahi. The shape is better for chicken frying (steeper sides) and it works great for searing ahi or a steak.

coming from a person using goggle! Gary is using a reasonale patient
spider, aka September programme and I use Agent - now if you used
something that knew how to line wrap correctly - that would be
interesting!

On 4/15/2017 2:40 PM, wrote:

>>
>> I cast off my cast iron pans. Good riddance.
>> That's all people had 150 years ago.
>> I do fine with my lightweight stainless steel pans now.
>> Never had a problem cooking with them.
>
> Nah, I love my casst iron pans, always have. i used a light pan the
> other day because of my hand situation and even though it was just a
> burger, very disappointing Lucky daughter
>

They have a place. We don't use them nearly as much as we used to
because we found other pans that work better for other uses. I'd never
heat a coated pan as much as I heat cast iron to get a sear on a steak
or chop though. If it fits though, the copper pan will give a great
sear but is is smaller than the big CI

Eggs? I can fry four at a time on the Woll aluminum, but I can easuly
do six on the griddle.

I think we have more pans than is really needed.

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> wrote:
> >
> > may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
> > perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'
>
>
> Forget the stove vs cast iron for now, my friend.
> I do have a question for you....
>
> I just wonder WHY you still use the cast iron?
> It's heavy stuff and annoying to use (imo).
> I'm a young enough strong guy and I've always hated
> the weight of the pans. I gave all of mine to my
> daughter several months ago.
>
> I cast off my cast iron pans. Good riddance.
> That's all people had 150 years ago.
> I do fine with my lightweight stainless steel pans now.
> Never had a problem cooking with them.

Gary serious question and serious answer. Some cooking types do not
work easily in the lighter pans. Some of that may be practice, and some
is just the recipe is not really right for the pan.

If you can slide the pan across the stove, weight is no longer relevant
when at least cooking the meal.

--

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message news > > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> She originally said she had an all electric stove, then when gas was
>> available got the gas cooktop, I assume a countertop cooktop... so she
>> must still have the electric stove but isn't using the electric top
>> burners. She never said anything about having seperate wall ovens,
>> she said stove. She really was very unclear, that's why my
>> questioning. And when I asked what's better about an electric oven
>> saying that's what I like is a non answer because that's not what's
>> better about the electric oven. The only real differences between an
>> electric oven and a gas oven is the fuel and that electric costs more
>> than gas. If somone is going to be switching to gas cooking the
>> normal person would buy a whole new gas stove, not go to to the
>> trouble and expense of buying and installing a gas countertop unit...
>> that means she gave up that countertop space for no viable reason and
>> has to look at those unused electric cooktop burners collecting dust
>> on the old stove. Maybe she installed that new gas cooktop in her
>> bathroom vanity. LOL
>
>
> No, the gas stovetop replaced the electric stovetop in the stovetop cutout
> that is above the pull out pots and pans cupboards and the wall oven is an
> electric oven installed in a larger cutout than the original cutout so the
> oven could be larger than the old oven. Why? Because I like it that way! I
> hope that makes it clear enough for you. LOL and EOD
>
> Cheri ==
>
> EOD ?

End of discussion, especially with him on that subject.

Cheri

==

Gotcha ;-)




--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 4/15/2017 2:54 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I think we have more pans than is really needed.

I know _we_ do.
I could make do with a much smaller assortment, but I'm glad I don't
have to.

On 2017-04-15 2:54 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
> On 4/15/2017 2:54 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> I think we have more pans than is really needed.
>
> I know _we_ do.
> I could make do with a much smaller assortment, but I'm glad I don't
> have to.
>
A few months ago I spotted a Silga pan (very high quality Italian make)
in Winners that had been marked down even though there were others on
the main shelf at a much higher price. I couldn't let that one pass
since I had been mulling over the pricey option. I'm glad I bought it as
it was just the right size for making 6lbs of marmalade this afternoon:-)
And before people wonder how I managed to get seville oranges so late,
last fall, friends gave me a can of seville orange purée and I finally
got round to making marmalade this pm.
I know i have surplus stuff but my Sons have no room for it yet.
Graham

On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 09:01:11 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 4/15/2017 1:18 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Fri 14 Apr 2017 04:51:48p, Cheri told us...
>
>>> just didn't want to bother. On mine, I can't turn off the door
>>> open beep and it really doesn't give much time before it beeps and
>>> starts flashing open door. I don't mind the reach temp beep, but I
>>> got along fine without that too.
>
>> That open door beep would seriously bother me! Likewise with
>> refrigerator and freezer doors. They might make sense if you have
>> kids of a certain age, but unless I'm senile, I'm going to know when
>> any of the doors are ajar. If I'm senile, I shouldn't be cooking.
>
>We stayed at a place a few weeks ago. At some point there started
>to be a beep about every minute. You know how it is, stand over
>here and it sounds like it's over there. And vice versa. Is it
>the smoke detector? No. Microwave? No.
>
>Drove us crazy.
>
>Next morning at some point it stopped. Whew. Then it was back.
>Notified the front desk and got a voice mail during the day that
>it was fixed. Thank you.
>
>Later ... beep. Are you kidding me with this beep? Then I said
>The dishwasher! I put something in the dishwasher. So if you
>don't push the door all the way closed, it beeps. Grrr.
>
>nancy

A couple weeks ago I was home alone for two days. On teh second night
I just got into bed and I hear a cricket start chirping, okay, quite
common here and wouldn't go long before one of the cats gets it, but
this time the cats weren't interested. An hour passed and and still
it was chirping so I got a flashlight to look around, seemed to be
from teh basbord heating on the wall behind the big TV. I looked and
looked and saw nothing so I decidedto get a can of bug spray and
carefull pray into the baseboard heater. I got back into bed and
waited but it just kept chirping and finally I fell asleep. In the
morning I looked more carefully and there it was, the little light on
the battery back-up was blinking and that's when I realized the
battery was dying so I unplugged it and no more chirping. I plugged
the TV directly into the outlet. Those were the most realistic
cricket chirps ever, sure fooled me, I even sprayed with bug killer.
When I called APC to order a new battery I told them to come up with a
different sound. I had that unit seven years, now they rather send a
whole new updated unit instead of just the battery.... all I had to do
was send the old unit back and pay $50... a new no-name battery at
Amazon was more than $30 and only a 1 year warranty. I got a whole
new unit with their own new battery, it arrived two days later and the
unit is slightly smaller, has more features, and is warranteed for
five years. I'll never forget that cricket. I should have realized
when the cats ignored it, ordinarily they would be vigilent all night
until they got it.

"S Viemeister" wrote in message ...

On 4/15/2017 2:54 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I think we have more pans than is really needed.

I know _we_ do.
I could make do with a much smaller assortment, but I'm glad I don't
have to.

==

Amen to that

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http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 4/15/2017 10:54 AM, wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 10:04:48 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/13/2017 8:16 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Hi Jill,
>>>
>>> I think the problem here may be definition of 'cast iron'. There is
>>> true full on cast iron, and there is stuff with coated botoms and
>>> enameled. (call it thin layer of cast iron samwiched between stuff).
>>>
>>> The layered stuff can easily be fine. The full on 'just cast iron' may
>>> be problematic? No direct experience, but its not the total 'no' that
>>> the earliest versions were.
>>
>> I own Lodge cast iron. But my grandmother's cast iron griddle was made
>> in Ohio. It's a Griswold.
>>
>> I do have some ceramic coated cast iron pots and pans. It's not Le
>> Creuset, it's Descoware. Made in Belgium, post WWII. That's where Le
>> Creuset got the orange flame colour... they bought out the Descoware
>> company.
>>
>> I never once said I had a glass top stove. I do think cast iron pots or
>> griddles might damage one. <shrug>
>>
>> Jill
>
> may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
> perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'
>
You may say it as many times as you want. If it works for you, that's
great. Truly.

Jill

On 4/15/2017 11:48 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> may i sayone more time - i have cast iron and a glass top - both are
>> perfectly compatible - that's fact!!!!! not what 'i think'
>
>
> Forget the stove vs cast iron for now, my friend.
> I do have a question for you....
>
> I just wonder WHY you still use the cast iron?
> It's heavy stuff and annoying to use (imo).
> I'm a young enough strong guy and I've always hated
> the weight of the pans. I gave all of mine to my
> daughter several months ago.
>
> I cast off my cast iron pans. Good riddance.
> That's all people had 150 years ago.
> I do fine with my lightweight stainless steel pans now.
> Never had a problem cooking with them.
>
Guess you never experienced and extended power outage. That cast iron
can be used on a grill.

Jill