On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 6:34:56 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 10:15:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, April 13, 2017 at 7:35:03 AM UTC-10, KenK wrote:
> >> I think that's the right term, flat baking sheet, about 1 x 2 ft., with a
> >> low rim around the edge.
> >>
> >> Anyhow, it came with a paper label glued to the inside of the tray. I tore
> >> most of this off but for the life of me can't remove the glued down corners
> >> of the label. I tried soaking it in water overnight after squirting some
> >> dish soap on the glued parts. Tried a wire brush. Tried a sharp knife. I
> >> can use the sheet by lining it with foil but I'd like to get those label
> >> remains off.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?
> >>
> >> TIA
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.
> >
> >My agressive solvent of choice is MEK. That should get the glue off.
>
> Is that a Google product?

methylethyl ketone. A pretty aggressive solvent. For labels, here's
what I try:

Water
Soapy water
Vegetable oil
Isopropyl alcohol
Denatured ethanol
Mineral spirits (white spirit, mineral turpentine, whatever you call it)
Goof Off <https://hpd.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/household/brands?tbl=brands&id=7015003>
Dynamite

Ok, that last one was a joke. But if none of that other stuff works,
I figure the label is going to outlast the Heat Death of the Universe.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 12:39:00 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>wrote in message ...
>
>On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On 4/15/2017 5:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, to be serious for a minutes, until very recently I could
>>>>>> understand my
>>>>>> husband asking such questions. As it happens, he is doing all the
>>>>>> cooking
>>>>>> etc at the moment, but with my advice and guidance. Without it he
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> well be in KenK's position. But so what??? Someone needs help ...
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> need help!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> After a health scare a few years ago, I started teaching Himself basic
>>>>> cooking, and adding his favourite dishes to the family cookbook (which
>>>>> has _very_ detailed instructions). He's getting pretty good, although
>>>>> he
>>>>> doesn't yet experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to make sure that if he were to be left on his own, he'd still
>>>>> be able to eat well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would think so! It's got to be difficult for a man who has been
>>>> served by and cooked for by a woman (mother, grandmother, aunt, nanny,
>>>> wife) most of his life to suddenly be on their own. At a young age boys
>>>> should at the very lease know how to make eggs and toast.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> I suppose the problem here is that I love to cook so whether he has ever
>>>> wanted to cook, I don't know He never really had the chance.
>>>>
>>> It's not a matter of loving to cook. KenK said he never really had to.
>>> Now he's trying to figure it out. I'm all for teaching men the basics so
>>> they can subsist after their wife dies. The alternative is hiring a
>>> housekeeper. Or remarrying... at the age of 82.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>>Heck, he might have several older women lusting after him with pots and
>>pans
>>in hand ready to make him a meal, you just never know.
>>
>>Cheri
>>
>>===
>>
>>Yes, you do hear about that from widowers)
>
>as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
>ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
>marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
>lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
>cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
> the times they have changed.
>
>==
>
>It was you who told me about widows chasing widowers
>
>All stopped now then eh? Jolly good)

are you sure it wasn't widowers chasing widows? there's plenty of
them!

The only one I know is at bridge who stands out as the only one
looking, hasn't brought her much happiness. i even asked her once
why, she said somehow she feels incomplete going to a party on her
own! one of these star men was even shoving her around and lucky for
her a person in the next condo heard and called police. That was a
wooden condo building, it's solid comcrete here!

wrote in message ...

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 12:39:00 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>wrote in message ...
>
>On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On 4/15/2017 5:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, to be serious for a minutes, until very recently I could
>>>>>> understand my
>>>>>> husband asking such questions. As it happens, he is doing all the
>>>>>> cooking
>>>>>> etc at the moment, but with my advice and guidance. Without it he
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> well be in KenK's position. But so what??? Someone needs help ...
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> need help!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> After a health scare a few years ago, I started teaching Himself basic
>>>>> cooking, and adding his favourite dishes to the family cookbook (which
>>>>> has _very_ detailed instructions). He's getting pretty good, although
>>>>> he
>>>>> doesn't yet experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to make sure that if he were to be left on his own, he'd
>>>>> still
>>>>> be able to eat well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would think so! It's got to be difficult for a man who has been
>>>> served by and cooked for by a woman (mother, grandmother, aunt, nanny,
>>>> wife) most of his life to suddenly be on their own. At a young age
>>>> boys
>>>> should at the very lease know how to make eggs and toast.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> I suppose the problem here is that I love to cook so whether he has
>>>> ever
>>>> wanted to cook, I don't know He never really had the chance.
>>>>
>>> It's not a matter of loving to cook. KenK said he never really had to.
>>> Now he's trying to figure it out. I'm all for teaching men the basics
>>> so
>>> they can subsist after their wife dies. The alternative is hiring a
>>> housekeeper. Or remarrying... at the age of 82.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>>Heck, he might have several older women lusting after him with pots and
>>pans
>>in hand ready to make him a meal, you just never know.
>>
>>Cheri
>>
>>===
>>
>>Yes, you do hear about that from widowers)
>
>as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
>ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
>marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
>lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
>cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
> the times they have changed.
>
>==
>
>It was you who told me about widows chasing widowers
>
>All stopped now then eh? Jolly good)

are you sure it wasn't widowers chasing widows? there's plenty of
them!

Dunno really. It is what I thought you had said. Chasing them with
casseroles or something rings a bell?


The only one I know is at bridge who stands out as the only one
looking, hasn't brought her much happiness. i even asked her once
why, she said somehow she feels incomplete going to a party on her
own! one of these star men was even shoving her around and lucky for
her a person in the next condo heard and called police. That was a
wooden condo building, it's solid comcrete here!

Ewwwww((( She is off her trolley allowing herself to be
mistreated(



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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 14:55:26 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:


>
> Dunno really. It is what I thought you had said. Chasing them with
>casseroles or something rings a bell?

I do recall once telling you theyused to be called Casserole Ladies -
but most of them are dead now - that's why the bridge player stands
out
>
>
>The only one I know is at bridge who stands out as the only one
>looking, hasn't brought her much happiness. i even asked her once
>why, she said somehow she feels incomplete going to a party on her
>own! one of these star men was even shoving her around and lucky for
>her a person in the next condo heard and called police. That was a
>wooden condo building, it's solid comcrete here!
>
> Ewwwww((( She is off her trolley allowing herself to be
>mistreated(

I think the casserole toting ladies are much more independent than the
wives these widowers are used to. Nobody wants to be a servant to
some male, no matter what the enticement. Also, many widows are used
to making their own decisions....who needs a dependent man? ;-))

N.

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:03:33 -0700 (PDT), Nancy2
> wrote:

>I think the casserole toting ladies are much more independent than the
>wives these widowers are used to. Nobody wants to be a servant to
>some male, no matter what the enticement. Also, many widows are used
>to making their own decisions....who needs a dependent man? ;-))
>
>N.

precisely

On 4/16/2017 5:17 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >
> On 4/15/2017 5:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>
>> On 4/15/2017 12:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2017 12:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, to be serious for a minutes, until very recently I could
>>>> understand my
>>>> husband asking such questions. As it happens, he is doing all the
>>>> cooking
>>>> etc at the moment, but with my advice and guidance. Without it he
>>>> might
>>>> well be in KenK's position. But so what??? Someone needs help ...
>>>> they
>>>> need help!!!
>>>>
>>> After a health scare a few years ago, I started teaching Himself basic
>>> cooking, and adding his favourite dishes to the family cookbook (which
>>> has _very_ detailed instructions). He's getting pretty good, although he
>>> doesn't yet experiment.
>>>
>>> I wanted to make sure that if he were to be left on his own, he'd still
>>> be able to eat well.
>>>
>>
>> I would think so! It's got to be difficult for a man who has been
>> served by and cooked for by a woman (mother, grandmother, aunt, nanny,
>> wife) most of his life to suddenly be on their own. At a young age boys
>> should at the very lease know how to make eggs and toast.
>>
>> Jill
>> ==
>>
>> I suppose the problem here is that I love to cook so whether he has ever
>> wanted to cook, I don't know He never really had the chance.
>>
> It's not a matter of loving to cook. KenK said he never really had to.
> Now he's trying to figure it out. I'm all for teaching men the basics
> so they can subsist after their wife dies. The alternative is hiring a
> housekeeper. Or remarrying... at the age of 82.
>
> Jill
>
> ==
>
> LOL you never know)) At least Ken isn't just living out of cans. He
> is here and willing to learn
>
> I quite admire him)
>
>
>
At least he's not afraid to ask questions. Or living out of cans, as
you say. Hey, he bought a cookie sheet so he must be planning to use it
for something.

Jill

"Nancy2" wrote in message
...

I think the casserole toting ladies are much more independent than the
wives these widowers are used to. Nobody wants to be a servant to
some male, no matter what the enticement. Also, many widows are used
to making their own decisions....who needs a dependent man? ;-))

N.

==

Who needs a dependent woman? Ooopppssss <G>

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"jmcquown" wrote in message news
On 4/16/2017 5:17 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >
> On 4/15/2017 5:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>
>> On 4/15/2017 12:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>> On 4/15/2017 12:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, to be serious for a minutes, until very recently I could
>>>> understand my
>>>> husband asking such questions. As it happens, he is doing all the
>>>> cooking
>>>> etc at the moment, but with my advice and guidance. Without it he
>>>> might
>>>> well be in KenK's position. But so what??? Someone needs help ...
>>>> they
>>>> need help!!!
>>>>
>>> After a health scare a few years ago, I started teaching Himself basic
>>> cooking, and adding his favourite dishes to the family cookbook (which
>>> has _very_ detailed instructions). He's getting pretty good, although he
>>> doesn't yet experiment.
>>>
>>> I wanted to make sure that if he were to be left on his own, he'd still
>>> be able to eat well.
>>>
>>
>> I would think so! It's got to be difficult for a man who has been
>> served by and cooked for by a woman (mother, grandmother, aunt, nanny,
>> wife) most of his life to suddenly be on their own. At a young age boys
>> should at the very lease know how to make eggs and toast.
>>
>> Jill
>> ==
>>
>> I suppose the problem here is that I love to cook so whether he has ever
>> wanted to cook, I don't know He never really had the chance.
>>
> It's not a matter of loving to cook. KenK said he never really had to.
> Now he's trying to figure it out. I'm all for teaching men the basics
> so they can subsist after their wife dies. The alternative is hiring a
> housekeeper. Or remarrying... at the age of 82.
>
> Jill
>
> ==
>
> LOL you never know)) At least Ken isn't just living out of cans. He
> is here and willing to learn
>
> I quite admire him)
>
>
>
At least he's not afraid to ask questions. Or living out of cans, as
you say. Hey, he bought a cookie sheet so he must be planning to use it
for something.

Jill
==

Yes!!!!!!!! ))



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> wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On 4/15/2017 5:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, to be serious for a minutes, until very recently I could
>>>>>> understand my
>>>>>> husband asking such questions. As it happens, he is doing all the
>>>>>> cooking
>>>>>> etc at the moment, but with my advice and guidance. Without it he
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> well be in KenK's position. But so what??? Someone needs help ...
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> need help!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> After a health scare a few years ago, I started teaching Himself basic
>>>>> cooking, and adding his favourite dishes to the family cookbook (which
>>>>> has _very_ detailed instructions). He's getting pretty good, although
>>>>> he
>>>>> doesn't yet experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to make sure that if he were to be left on his own, he'd
>>>>> still
>>>>> be able to eat well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would think so! It's got to be difficult for a man who has been
>>>> served by and cooked for by a woman (mother, grandmother, aunt, nanny,
>>>> wife) most of his life to suddenly be on their own. At a young age
>>>> boys
>>>> should at the very lease know how to make eggs and toast.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> I suppose the problem here is that I love to cook so whether he has
>>>> ever
>>>> wanted to cook, I don't know He never really had the chance.
>>>>
>>> It's not a matter of loving to cook. KenK said he never really had to.
>>> Now he's trying to figure it out. I'm all for teaching men the basics
>>> so
>>> they can subsist after their wife dies. The alternative is hiring a
>>> housekeeper. Or remarrying... at the age of 82.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>>Heck, he might have several older women lusting after him with pots and
>>pans
>>in hand ready to make him a meal, you just never know.
>>
>>Cheri
>>
>>===
>>
>>Yes, you do hear about that from widowers)
>
> as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
> ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
> marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
> lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
> cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
> the times they have changed.


Well, where I am, the older single/widowed women are always on the lookout
for a single elder gentleman. Personally, I would not be, but at the couple
of clubs I belong to, they definitely are.

Cheri

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> wrote in message ...
>
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On 4/15/2017 5:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, to be serious for a minutes, until very recently I could
>>>>>> understand my
>>>>>> husband asking such questions. As it happens, he is doing all the
>>>>>> cooking
>>>>>> etc at the moment, but with my advice and guidance. Without it he
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> well be in KenK's position. But so what??? Someone needs help ...
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> need help!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> After a health scare a few years ago, I started teaching Himself basic
>>>>> cooking, and adding his favourite dishes to the family cookbook (which
>>>>> has _very_ detailed instructions). He's getting pretty good, although
>>>>> he
>>>>> doesn't yet experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to make sure that if he were to be left on his own, he'd
>>>>> still
>>>>> be able to eat well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would think so! It's got to be difficult for a man who has been
>>>> served by and cooked for by a woman (mother, grandmother, aunt, nanny,
>>>> wife) most of his life to suddenly be on their own. At a young age
>>>> boys
>>>> should at the very lease know how to make eggs and toast.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> I suppose the problem here is that I love to cook so whether he has
>>>> ever
>>>> wanted to cook, I don't know He never really had the chance.
>>>>
>>> It's not a matter of loving to cook. KenK said he never really had to.
>>> Now he's trying to figure it out. I'm all for teaching men the basics
>>> so
>>> they can subsist after their wife dies. The alternative is hiring a
>>> housekeeper. Or remarrying... at the age of 82.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>>Heck, he might have several older women lusting after him with pots and
>>pans
>>in hand ready to make him a meal, you just never know.
>>
>>Cheri
>>
>>===
>>
>>Yes, you do hear about that from widowers)
>
> as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
> ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
> marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
> lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
> cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
> the times they have changed.
>
> ==
>
> It was you who told me about widows chasing widowers
>
> All stopped now then eh? Jolly good)

Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.

Cheri

On 4/16/2017 8:37 AM, wrote:
> The only one I know is at bridge who stands out as the only one
> looking, hasn't brought her much happiness. i even asked her once
> why, she said somehow she feels incomplete going to a party on her
> own!

Age and widowhood aside, I think many of us have known a woman who
didn't feel "complete" without a man. I had a friend from high school
who (last count) has been married four times. Never very happy, but
hey! She had a man to go with her to restaurants or whatever.

I would hate to feel that insecure.

I remember the time I went to a small bistro (Jarrett's) in Memphis when
I was on a lunch break one day. Just me, all by myself. There was a
couple in line behind me. The hostess automatically assumed we were
together. "Table for three?" Uh, no. Just me.

She looked at me like I was crazy. (i.e., surely you don't plan to eat
all by yourself?) Why the heck not?

BTW, the beef filet with mashed potatoes and green beans was delicious.
I wonder if the hostess ever figured out it's perfectly fine for a
woman to sit down to a nice meal all by herself?

Jill

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:35:40 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Cheri" wrote in message news >>>
>>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>> On 4/15/2017 5:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>>>
>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, to be serious for a minutes, until very recently I could
>>>>>>> understand my
>>>>>>> husband asking such questions. As it happens, he is doing all the
>>>>>>> cooking
>>>>>>> etc at the moment, but with my advice and guidance. Without it he
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> well be in KenK's position. But so what??? Someone needs help ...
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> need help!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> After a health scare a few years ago, I started teaching Himself basic
>>>>>> cooking, and adding his favourite dishes to the family cookbook (which
>>>>>> has _very_ detailed instructions). He's getting pretty good, although
>>>>>> he
>>>>>> doesn't yet experiment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that if he were to be left on his own, he'd
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> be able to eat well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would think so! It's got to be difficult for a man who has been
>>>>> served by and cooked for by a woman (mother, grandmother, aunt, nanny,
>>>>> wife) most of his life to suddenly be on their own. At a young age
>>>>> boys
>>>>> should at the very lease know how to make eggs and toast.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose the problem here is that I love to cook so whether he has
>>>>> ever
>>>>> wanted to cook, I don't know He never really had the chance.
>>>>>
>>>> It's not a matter of loving to cook. KenK said he never really had to.
>>>> Now he's trying to figure it out. I'm all for teaching men the basics
>>>> so
>>>> they can subsist after their wife dies. The alternative is hiring a
>>>> housekeeper. Or remarrying... at the age of 82.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>>Heck, he might have several older women lusting after him with pots and
>>>pans
>>>in hand ready to make him a meal, you just never know.
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>>
>>>===
>>>
>>>Yes, you do hear about that from widowers)
>>
>> as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
>> ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
>> marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
>> lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
>> cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
>> the times they have changed.
>
>
>Well, where I am, the older single/widowed women are always on the lookout
>for a single elder gentleman. Personally, I would not be, but at the couple
>of clubs I belong to, they definitely are.
>
>Cheri

round here the casserole ladies have mostly expired. those under 90
are not interested. thinking back a good friend died years ago, early
70s and at that point the bank wanted to cancel the visa card (still
called chargex then) and most were surprised that she could and would
continue driving etc. So there was a time when wives were very
dependent i suppose but I rarely see it today.

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> wrote in message ...
>
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On 4/15/2017 5:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, to be serious for a minutes, until very recently I could
>>>>>> understand my
>>>>>> husband asking such questions. As it happens, he is doing all the
>>>>>> cooking
>>>>>> etc at the moment, but with my advice and guidance. Without it he
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> well be in KenK's position. But so what??? Someone needs help ...
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> need help!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> After a health scare a few years ago, I started teaching Himself basic
>>>>> cooking, and adding his favourite dishes to the family cookbook (which
>>>>> has _very_ detailed instructions). He's getting pretty good, although
>>>>> he
>>>>> doesn't yet experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to make sure that if he were to be left on his own, he'd
>>>>> still
>>>>> be able to eat well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would think so! It's got to be difficult for a man who has been
>>>> served by and cooked for by a woman (mother, grandmother, aunt, nanny,
>>>> wife) most of his life to suddenly be on their own. At a young age
>>>> boys
>>>> should at the very lease know how to make eggs and toast.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> I suppose the problem here is that I love to cook so whether he has
>>>> ever
>>>> wanted to cook, I don't know He never really had the chance.
>>>>
>>> It's not a matter of loving to cook. KenK said he never really had to.
>>> Now he's trying to figure it out. I'm all for teaching men the basics
>>> so
>>> they can subsist after their wife dies. The alternative is hiring a
>>> housekeeper. Or remarrying... at the age of 82.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>>Heck, he might have several older women lusting after him with pots and
>>pans
>>in hand ready to make him a meal, you just never know.
>>
>>Cheri
>>
>>===
>>
>>Yes, you do hear about that from widowers)
>
> as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
> ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
> marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
> lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
> cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
> the times they have changed.
>
> ==
>
> It was you who told me about widows chasing widowers
>
> All stopped now then eh? Jolly good)

Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.

Cheri

===

Good Grief!!!!!!!!!! How desperate are they??


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"jmcquown" wrote in message news
On 4/16/2017 8:37 AM, wrote:
> The only one I know is at bridge who stands out as the only one
> looking, hasn't brought her much happiness. i even asked her once
> why, she said somehow she feels incomplete going to a party on her
> own!

Age and widowhood aside, I think many of us have known a woman who
didn't feel "complete" without a man. I had a friend from high school
who (last count) has been married four times. Never very happy, but
hey! She had a man to go with her to restaurants or whatever.

I would hate to feel that insecure.

I remember the time I went to a small bistro (Jarrett's) in Memphis when
I was on a lunch break one day. Just me, all by myself. There was a
couple in line behind me. The hostess automatically assumed we were
together. "Table for three?" Uh, no. Just me.

She looked at me like I was crazy. (i.e., surely you don't plan to eat
all by yourself?) Why the heck not?

BTW, the beef filet with mashed potatoes and green beans was delicious.
I wonder if the hostess ever figured out it's perfectly fine for a
woman to sit down to a nice meal all by herself?

Jill

===

Hopefully you gave her pause for thought))))



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On 4/16/2017 11:37 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.
>
> Cheri

How about divorced men of a certain age? My neighbor started looking me
up and down when he moved in full time across the street. (It had been
their vacation home, but he informed me they were getting a divorce,
gonna live there full time!)

He rang my doorbell one day after seeing me at the mailbox. He said he
just wanted to tell me how *good* I look. He was looking at me like I
was an ice cream cone. It made me feel very uncomfortable. I was so
surprised I didn't know what to say! Uh... thanks?

He's the reason I put on a bra to walk to the mailbox.

Jill

On 4/16/2017 11:56 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >
> I remember the time I went to a small bistro (Jarrett's) in Memphis when
> I was on a lunch break one day. Just me, all by myself. There was a
> couple in line behind me. The hostess automatically assumed we were
> together. "Table for three?" Uh, no. Just me.
>
> She looked at me like I was crazy. (i.e., surely you don't plan to eat
> all by yourself?) Why the heck not?
>
> BTW, the beef filet with mashed potatoes and green beans was delicious.
> I wonder if the hostess ever figured out it's perfectly fine for a
> woman to sit down to a nice meal all by herself?
>
> Jill
>
> ===
>
> Hopefully you gave her pause for thought))))
>
>
>
She seemed a bit taken aback. She practically gasped "ONE?!" (laughing)

Jill

"jmcquown" wrote in message news
On 4/16/2017 11:37 AM, Cheri wrote:
>
> Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.
>
> Cheri

How about divorced men of a certain age? My neighbor started looking me
up and down when he moved in full time across the street. (It had been
their vacation home, but he informed me they were getting a divorce,
gonna live there full time!)

He rang my doorbell one day after seeing me at the mailbox. He said he
just wanted to tell me how *good* I look. He was looking at me like I
was an ice cream cone. It made me feel very uncomfortable. I was so
surprised I didn't know what to say! Uh... thanks?

He's the reason I put on a bra to walk to the mailbox.

Jill

==

Ugh! Give him the cold shoulder

Disgusting man!!



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"jmcquown" wrote in message news
On 4/16/2017 11:56 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >
> I remember the time I went to a small bistro (Jarrett's) in Memphis when
> I was on a lunch break one day. Just me, all by myself. There was a
> couple in line behind me. The hostess automatically assumed we were
> together. "Table for three?" Uh, no. Just me.
>
> She looked at me like I was crazy. (i.e., surely you don't plan to eat
> all by yourself?) Why the heck not?
>
> BTW, the beef filet with mashed potatoes and green beans was delicious.
> I wonder if the hostess ever figured out it's perfectly fine for a
> woman to sit down to a nice meal all by herself?
>
> Jill
>
> ===
>
> Hopefully you gave her pause for thought))))
>
>
>
She seemed a bit taken aback. She practically gasped "ONE?!" (laughing)

Jill
==

lol

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On 4/16/2017 12:16 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "jmcquown" wrote in message news > On 4/16/2017 11:37 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> How about divorced men of a certain age? My neighbor started looking me
> up and down when he moved in full time across the street. (It had been
> their vacation home, but he informed me they were getting a divorce,
> gonna live there full time!)
>
> He rang my doorbell one day after seeing me at the mailbox. He said he
> just wanted to tell me how *good* I look. He was looking at me like I
> was an ice cream cone. It made me feel very uncomfortable. I was so
> surprised I didn't know what to say! Uh... thanks?
>
> He's the reason I put on a bra to walk to the mailbox.
>
> Jill
>
> ==
>
> Ugh! Give him the cold shoulder
> Disgusting man!!
>
>
The thing is, he isn't disgusting. He's simply clueless. He didn't
realize he made a major faux pas. It's not as if we met in a bar in
1980. You don't just walk up to your neighbor's front door, ring the
doorbell and say Hey Baby! (which is what it felt like). Uh, what?!

Some men are difficult to discourage. I was embarrassed that he walked
up and rang the bell and said that to me. It made me feel very self
conscious.

Even before that, when I knew his marriage was in trouble, he was trying
to persue some sort of friendship. He'd call and ask if I needed
anything done around the house. I made the mistake of saying yes once.
Could you change the air filter? The filter is in the ceiling, I get
dizzy if I have to climb a ladder.

He said oh, would you mind holding onto my thighs? I'm feeling a bit
wobbly. Uh oh!

He started asking things like if I wanted to look at the stars through
his telescope. (Not kidding, and it's not a sexual reference! He's an
astronomy buff and actually owns, or at least used to own, telescopes.)
But no, I really don't want to go gaze at the stars with you. Sorry!

He did finally get the message. Now we just wave hello when we see each
other outside. Oh, and he splits the trash pickup bill with me. We're
both single, so it just makes sense. It's all quite amicable.

Jill

"jmcquown" wrote in message news
On 4/16/2017 12:16 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "jmcquown" wrote in message news > On 4/16/2017 11:37 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> How about divorced men of a certain age? My neighbor started looking me
> up and down when he moved in full time across the street. (It had been
> their vacation home, but he informed me they were getting a divorce,
> gonna live there full time!)
>
> He rang my doorbell one day after seeing me at the mailbox. He said he
> just wanted to tell me how *good* I look. He was looking at me like I
> was an ice cream cone. It made me feel very uncomfortable. I was so
> surprised I didn't know what to say! Uh... thanks?
>
> He's the reason I put on a bra to walk to the mailbox.
>
> Jill
>
> ==
>
> Ugh! Give him the cold shoulder
> Disgusting man!!
>
>
The thing is, he isn't disgusting. He's simply clueless. He didn't
realize he made a major faux pas. It's not as if we met in a bar in
1980. You don't just walk up to your neighbor's front door, ring the
doorbell and say Hey Baby! (which is what it felt like). Uh, what?!

Some men are difficult to discourage. I was embarrassed that he walked
up and rang the bell and said that to me. It made me feel very self
conscious.

Even before that, when I knew his marriage was in trouble, he was trying
to persue some sort of friendship. He'd call and ask if I needed
anything done around the house. I made the mistake of saying yes once.
Could you change the air filter? The filter is in the ceiling, I get
dizzy if I have to climb a ladder.

He said oh, would you mind holding onto my thighs? I'm feeling a bit
wobbly. Uh oh!

He started asking things like if I wanted to look at the stars through
his telescope. (Not kidding, and it's not a sexual reference! He's an
astronomy buff and actually owns, or at least used to own, telescopes.)
But no, I really don't want to go gaze at the stars with you. Sorry!

He did finally get the message. Now we just wave hello when we see each
other outside. Oh, and he splits the trash pickup bill with me. We're
both single, so it just makes sense. It's all quite amicable.

Jill
==

Very pleased to hear it That could have ended up very badly.



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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> "Cheri" wrote in message speaking of older women on the lookout for
> widowers.

> Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.
>
> Cheri
>
> ===
>
> Good Grief!!!!!!!!!! How desperate are they??

Very, obviously. LOL

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 4/16/2017 11:37 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> How about divorced men of a certain age? My neighbor started looking me
> up and down when he moved in full time across the street. (It had been
> their vacation home, but he informed me they were getting a divorce, gonna
> live there full time!)
>
> He rang my doorbell one day after seeing me at the mailbox. He said he
> just wanted to tell me how *good* I look. He was looking at me like I was
> an ice cream cone. It made me feel very uncomfortable. I was so
> surprised I didn't know what to say! Uh... thanks?
>
> He's the reason I put on a bra to walk to the mailbox.
>
> Jill



Sure, that goes on everywhere with certain types etc. especially some newly
divorced who are usually divorced for their chasing and cheating. No time to
lose.

Cheri

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> "Cheri" wrote in message speaking of older women on the lookout for
> widowers.

> Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.
>
> Cheri
>
> ===
>
> Good Grief!!!!!!!!!! How desperate are they??

Very, obviously. LOL

Cheri

==

Ugh!


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On 4/16/2017 11:49 AM, wrote:

>>>>
>>>> Heck, he might have several older women lusting after him with pots and
>>>> pans
>>>> in hand ready to make him a meal, you just never know.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you do hear about that from widowers)
>>>
>>> as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
>>> ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
>>> marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
>>> lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
>>> cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
>>> the times they have changed.
>>
>>
>> Well, where I am, the older single/widowed women are always on the lookout
>> for a single elder gentleman. Personally, I would not be, but at the couple
>> of clubs I belong to, they definitely are.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> round here the casserole ladies have mostly expired. those under 90
> are not interested. thinking back a good friend died years ago, early
> 70s and at that point the bank wanted to cancel the visa card (still
> called chargex then) and most were surprised that she could and would
> continue driving etc. So there was a time when wives were very
> dependent i suppose but I rarely see it today.
>

I'm 71 and know a few women my age that never drove. My parent's
generation had very few women drivers, maybe 5% or so and very few
worked too.

Life was different back then. One income could support a family, one
car was sufficient for most families in urban areas with buses readily
available. Women could walk to the grocery while the kids were in school.

I'm still old fashion with some things. If you have kids, can get by on
one income, the kids should be raised by parents, not a daycare warehouse.

On 4/16/2017 1:36 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 4/16/2017 11:37 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> How about divorced men of a certain age? My neighbor started looking
>> me up and down when he moved in full time across the street. (It had
>> been their vacation home, but he informed me they were getting a
>> divorce, gonna live there full time!)
>>
>> He rang my doorbell one day after seeing me at the mailbox. He said
>> he just wanted to tell me how *good* I look. He was looking at me
>> like I was an ice cream cone. It made me feel very uncomfortable. I
>> was so surprised I didn't know what to say! Uh... thanks?
>>
>> He's the reason I put on a bra to walk to the mailbox.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
>
> Sure, that goes on everywhere with certain types etc. especially some
> newly divorced who are usually divorced for their chasing and cheating.
> No time to lose.
>
> Cheri

Oh, I have no doubt this guy thinks of himself as a player. And I'll
admit he is attractive. If you like a John Laroquette look-alike.
(smile) But I can spot the type. He thinks he's hip, he's cool. He
used to own 6 cars. He'd brag about them.

Hmmm, the wife left him with an SUV, the vacation house and his little
blue Porsche. I can guess who got the 1965 Mustang and all the other
cars he thought were so impressive. Wife did all the work and got that
stuff, did she?

Need anything done around the house? Get a clue. No, thank you. LOL

Jill

On 4/16/2017 11:41 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/16/2017 8:37 AM, wrote:
>> The only one I know is at bridge who stands out as the only one
>> looking, hasn't brought her much happiness. i even asked her once
>> why, she said somehow she feels incomplete going to a party on her
>> own!
>
> Age and widowhood aside, I think many of us have known a woman who
> didn't feel "complete" without a man. I had a friend from high school
> who (last count) has been married four times. Never very happy, but
> hey! She had a man to go with her to restaurants or whatever.
>
> I would hate to feel that insecure.
>
> I remember the time I went to a small bistro (Jarrett's) in Memphis when
> I was on a lunch break one day. Just me, all by myself. There was a
> couple in line behind me. The hostess automatically assumed we were
> together. "Table for three?" Uh, no. Just me.
>
> She looked at me like I was crazy. (i.e., surely you don't plan to eat
> all by yourself?) Why the heck not?
>
> BTW, the beef filet with mashed potatoes and green beans was delicious.
> I wonder if the hostess ever figured out it's perfectly fine for a
> woman to sit down to a nice meal all by herself?
>
> Jill

I do see the occasional woman dining alone, but not often unless it is
near a business at lunch time. Not so much for just a casual meal. One
friend of mine will go to lunch, never goes to dinner alone.

On 4/16/2017 1:50 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> I'm 71 and know a few women my age that never drove. My parent's
> generation had very few women drivers, maybe 5% or so and very few
> worked too.
>
Only one of my grandmother's drove. Mostly becauuse they didn't really
have to. One of them worked, but she would just as easily walk to the
grocery store. Often she went to the store with my other grandmother.
They lived next door to each other in a small town.

> Life was different back then. One income could support a family, one
> car was sufficient for most families in urban areas with buses readily
> available. Women could walk to the grocery while the kids were in school.
>
Yes, and the school (all grades) was in walking distance, too.

> I'm still old fashion with some things. If you have kids, can get by on
> one income, the kids should be raised by parents, not a daycare warehouse.

I'd agree with that. But someone is going to slap me down for choosing
not to have children. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about being one.

As a military brat I certainly did not like moving every year or two of
my life. No one ever bothers to ask the kids, "Do you want to leave
your friends?" Time to move again! No, thank you.

Jill

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 7:50:34 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/16/2017 11:49 AM, wrote:
>
> >>>>
> >>>> Heck, he might have several older women lusting after him with pots and
> >>>> pans
> >>>> in hand ready to make him a meal, you just never know.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheri
> >>>>
> >>>> ===
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, you do hear about that from widowers)
> >>>
> >>> as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
> >>> ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
> >>> marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
> >>> lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
> >>> cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
> >>> the times they have changed.
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, where I am, the older single/widowed women are always on the lookout
> >> for a single elder gentleman. Personally, I would not be, but at the couple
> >> of clubs I belong to, they definitely are.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > round here the casserole ladies have mostly expired. those under 90
> > are not interested. thinking back a good friend died years ago, early
> > 70s and at that point the bank wanted to cancel the visa card (still
> > called chargex then) and most were surprised that she could and would
> > continue driving etc. So there was a time when wives were very
> > dependent i suppose but I rarely see it today.
> >
>
> I'm 71 and know a few women my age that never drove. My parent's
> generation had very few women drivers, maybe 5% or so and very few
> worked too.
>
> Life was different back then. One income could support a family, one
> car was sufficient for most families in urban areas with buses readily
> available. Women could walk to the grocery while the kids were in school.
>
> I'm still old fashion with some things. If you have kids, can get by on
> one income, the kids should be raised by parents, not a daycare warehouse.

My wife told me she never drove until we lived together and bought a car. I never even realized this. I do remember that she rode her bike everywhere. It was a Gitane that she bought from my friend. That was a good old bike although I never rode it.

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 12:13:11 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 4/16/2017 1:36 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > news
> >> On 4/16/2017 11:37 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.
> >>>
> >>> Cheri
> >>
> >> How about divorced men of a certain age? My neighbor started looking
> >> me up and down when he moved in full time across the street. (It had
> >> been their vacation home, but he informed me they were getting a
> >> divorce, gonna live there full time!)
> >>
> >> He rang my doorbell one day after seeing me at the mailbox. He said
> >> he just wanted to tell me how *good* I look. He was looking at me
> >> like I was an ice cream cone. It made me feel very uncomfortable. I
> >> was so surprised I didn't know what to say! Uh... thanks?
> >>
> >> He's the reason I put on a bra to walk to the mailbox.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> >
> >
> > Sure, that goes on everywhere with certain types etc. especially some
> > newly divorced who are usually divorced for their chasing and cheating.
> > No time to lose.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> Oh, I have no doubt this guy thinks of himself as a player. And I'll
> admit he is attractive. If you like a John Laroquette look-alike.
> (smile) But I can spot the type. He thinks he's hip, he's cool. He
> used to own 6 cars. He'd brag about them.
>
> Hmmm, the wife left him with an SUV, the vacation house and his little
> blue Porsche. I can guess who got the 1965 Mustang and all the other
> cars he thought were so impressive. Wife did all the work and got that
> stuff, did she?
>
> Need anything done around the house? Get a clue. No, thank you. LOL
>
> Jill
Good for you...you seem to be very discerning...there are lechers everywhere.
====

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 4/16/2017 1:50 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> I'm 71 and know a few women my age that never drove. My parent's
>> generation had very few women drivers, maybe 5% or so and very few
>> worked too.
>>
> Only one of my grandmother's drove. Mostly becauuse they didn't really
> have to. One of them worked, but she would just as easily walk to the
> grocery store. Often she went to the store with my other grandmother.
> They lived next door to each other in a small town.
>
>> Life was different back then. One income could support a family, one
>> car was sufficient for most families in urban areas with buses readily
>> available. Women could walk to the grocery while the kids were in school.
>>
> Yes, and the school (all grades) was in walking distance, too.
>
>> I'm still old fashion with some things. If you have kids, can get by on
>> one income, the kids should be raised by parents, not a daycare
>> warehouse.
>
> I'd agree with that. But someone is going to slap me down for choosing
> not to have children. Doesn't mean I can't have an opinion about being
> one.
>
> As a military brat I certainly did not like moving every year or two of my
> life. No one ever bothers to ask the kids, "Do you want to leave your
> friends?" Time to move again! No, thank you.
>
> Jill



That was then, now no life decisions are made without the approval of the
six year old it seems.

Cheri

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 2:17:55 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/16/2017 11:41 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 4/16/2017 8:37 AM, wrote:
> >> The only one I know is at bridge who stands out as the only one
> >> looking, hasn't brought her much happiness. i even asked her once
> >> why, she said somehow she feels incomplete going to a party on her
> >> own!
> >
> > Age and widowhood aside, I think many of us have known a woman who
> > didn't feel "complete" without a man. I had a friend from high school
> > who (last count) has been married four times. Never very happy, but
> > hey! She had a man to go with her to restaurants or whatever.
> >
> > I would hate to feel that insecure.
> >
> > I remember the time I went to a small bistro (Jarrett's) in Memphis when
> > I was on a lunch break one day. Just me, all by myself. There was a
> > couple in line behind me. The hostess automatically assumed we were
> > together. "Table for three?" Uh, no. Just me.
> >
> > She looked at me like I was crazy. (i.e., surely you don't plan to eat
> > all by yourself?) Why the heck not?
> >
> > BTW, the beef filet with mashed potatoes and green beans was delicious.
> > I wonder if the hostess ever figured out it's perfectly fine for a
> > woman to sit down to a nice meal all by herself?
> >
> > Jill
>
> I do see the occasional woman dining alone, but not often unless it is
> near a business at lunch time. Not so much for just a casual meal. One
> friend of mine will go to lunch, never goes to dinner alone.

I rarely go to dinner alone because I'd rather just come straight home
from work. A few years ago, when my husband was still on his strict
diet, I took myself out for my birthday. If I lived alone, I'd have
dinner out alone more frequently.

As far as driving and working: my grandmother drove and worked,
my mother drove (until she couldn't pass the eye test at about
age 32) and worked (until she was laid off at age 59). My
grandmother's older sister worked and drove. It never occurred
to me not to work. Or drive. I'm 60.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2017-04-16 5:35 AM, wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 4/15/2017 5:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, to be serious for a minutes, until very recently I could
>>>>>> understand my
>>>>>> husband asking such questions. As it happens, he is doing all the
>>>>>> cooking
>>>>>> etc at the moment, but with my advice and guidance. Without it he
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> well be in KenK's position. But so what??? Someone needs help ...
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> need help!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>> After a health scare a few years ago, I started teaching Himself basic
>>>>> cooking, and adding his favourite dishes to the family cookbook (which
>>>>> has _very_ detailed instructions). He's getting pretty good, although he
>>>>> doesn't yet experiment.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to make sure that if he were to be left on his own, he'd still
>>>>> be able to eat well.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would think so! It's got to be difficult for a man who has been
>>>> served by and cooked for by a woman (mother, grandmother, aunt, nanny,
>>>> wife) most of his life to suddenly be on their own. At a young age boys
>>>> should at the very lease know how to make eggs and toast.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> I suppose the problem here is that I love to cook so whether he has ever
>>>> wanted to cook, I don't know He never really had the chance.
>>>>
>>> It's not a matter of loving to cook. KenK said he never really had to.
>>> Now he's trying to figure it out. I'm all for teaching men the basics so
>>> they can subsist after their wife dies. The alternative is hiring a
>>> housekeeper. Or remarrying... at the age of 82.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> Heck, he might have several older women lusting after him with pots and pans
>> in hand ready to make him a meal, you just never know.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Yes, you do hear about that from widowers)
>
> as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
> ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
> marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
> lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
> cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
> the times they have changed.
>
But at singles events, they usually have trouble getting enough men to
them. I've also noticed lately that in singles ads, women well up in the
60s are advertising for men as young as 45 - and these are educated
women, divorced or widowed.

On 4/16/2017 2:28 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 12:13:11 PM UTC-6, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 4/16/2017 1:36 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 4/16/2017 11:37 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Some are even on it as soon as her obituary is published.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>> How about divorced men of a certain age? My neighbor started looking
>>>> me up and down when he moved in full time across the street. (It had
>>>> been their vacation home, but he informed me they were getting a
>>>> divorce, gonna live there full time!)
>>>>
>>>> He rang my doorbell one day after seeing me at the mailbox. He said
>>>> he just wanted to tell me how *good* I look. He was looking at me
>>>> like I was an ice cream cone. It made me feel very uncomfortable. I
>>>> was so surprised I didn't know what to say! Uh... thanks?
>>>>
>>>> He's the reason I put on a bra to walk to the mailbox.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sure, that goes on everywhere with certain types etc. especially some
>>> newly divorced who are usually divorced for their chasing and cheating.
>>> No time to lose.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Oh, I have no doubt this guy thinks of himself as a player. And I'll
>> admit he is attractive. If you like a John Laroquette look-alike.
>> (smile) But I can spot the type. He thinks he's hip, he's cool. He
>> used to own 6 cars. He'd brag about them.
>>
>> Hmmm, the wife left him with an SUV, the vacation house and his little
>> blue Porsche. I can guess who got the 1965 Mustang and all the other
>> cars he thought were so impressive. Wife did all the work and got that
>> stuff, did she?
>>
>> Need anything done around the house? Get a clue. No, thank you. LOL
>>
>> Jill
> Good for you...you seem to be very discerning...there are lechers everywhere.
> ====
>
It's not a matter of being discerning. It's a matter of not being
available. Sorry, I am in a relationship. We're not married but that's
not important. Don't need my neighbor hitting on me!

Jill

On 2017-04-16 9:03 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> I think the casserole toting ladies are much more independent than the
> wives these widowers are used to. Nobody wants to be a servant to
> some male, no matter what the enticement. Also, many widows are used
> to making their own decisions....who needs a dependent man? ;-))
>
and as I mentioned upthread, there are a lot of women in their late 60s
advertising for much younger men!
DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

On 4/16/2017 3:32 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-04-16 5:35 AM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>>
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 4/15/2017 5:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>>>
>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, to be serious for a minutes, until very recently I could
>>>>>>> understand my
>>>>>>> husband asking such questions. As it happens, he is doing all the
>>>>>>> cooking
>>>>>>> etc at the moment, but with my advice and guidance. Without it he
>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>> well be in KenK's position. But so what??? Someone needs help ...
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> need help!!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> After a health scare a few years ago, I started teaching Himself
>>>>>> basic
>>>>>> cooking, and adding his favourite dishes to the family cookbook
>>>>>> (which
>>>>>> has _very_ detailed instructions). He's getting pretty good,
>>>>>> although he
>>>>>> doesn't yet experiment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that if he were to be left on his own, he'd
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> be able to eat well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would think so! It's got to be difficult for a man who has been
>>>>> served by and cooked for by a woman (mother, grandmother, aunt, nanny,
>>>>> wife) most of his life to suddenly be on their own. At a young age
>>>>> boys
>>>>> should at the very lease know how to make eggs and toast.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose the problem here is that I love to cook so whether he has
>>>>> ever
>>>>> wanted to cook, I don't know He never really had the chance.
>>>>>
>>>> It's not a matter of loving to cook. KenK said he never really had to.
>>>> Now he's trying to figure it out. I'm all for teaching men the
>>>> basics so
>>>> they can subsist after their wife dies. The alternative is hiring a
>>>> housekeeper. Or remarrying... at the age of 82.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> Heck, he might have several older women lusting after him with pots
>>> and pans
>>> in hand ready to make him a meal, you just never know.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> Yes, you do hear about that from widowers)
>>
>> as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
>> ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
>> marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
>> lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
>> cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
>> the times they have changed.
>>
> But at singles events, they usually have trouble getting enough men to
> them. I've also noticed lately that in singles ads, women well up in the
> 60s are advertising for men as young as 45 - and these are educated
> women, divorced or widowed.

Wouldn't know, as I don't check singles ads.

Jill

On 2017-04-16 2:53 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 4/16/2017 3:32 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 2017-04-16 5:35 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> On 4/15/2017 5:37 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:22 PM, S Viemeister wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/15/2017 12:06 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, to be serious for a minutes, until very recently I could
>>>>>>>> understand my
>>>>>>>> husband asking such questions. As it happens, he is doing all the
>>>>>>>> cooking
>>>>>>>> etc at the moment, but with my advice and guidance. Without it he
>>>>>>>> might
>>>>>>>> well be in KenK's position. But so what??? Someone needs help
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> need help!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After a health scare a few years ago, I started teaching Himself
>>>>>>> basic
>>>>>>> cooking, and adding his favourite dishes to the family cookbook
>>>>>>> (which
>>>>>>> has _very_ detailed instructions). He's getting pretty good,
>>>>>>> although he
>>>>>>> doesn't yet experiment.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wanted to make sure that if he were to be left on his own, he'd
>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>> be able to eat well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would think so! It's got to be difficult for a man who has been
>>>>>> served by and cooked for by a woman (mother, grandmother, aunt,
>>>>>> nanny,
>>>>>> wife) most of his life to suddenly be on their own. At a young age
>>>>>> boys
>>>>>> should at the very lease know how to make eggs and toast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I suppose the problem here is that I love to cook so whether he has
>>>>>> ever
>>>>>> wanted to cook, I don't know He never really had the chance.
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a matter of loving to cook. KenK said he never really had
>>>>> to.
>>>>> Now he's trying to figure it out. I'm all for teaching men the
>>>>> basics so
>>>>> they can subsist after their wife dies. The alternative is hiring a
>>>>> housekeeper. Or remarrying... at the age of 82.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Heck, he might have several older women lusting after him with pots
>>>> and pans
>>>> in hand ready to make him a meal, you just never know.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you do hear about that from widowers)
>>>
>>> as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
>>> ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
>>> marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
>>> lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
>>> cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
>>> the times they have changed.
>>>
>> But at singles events, they usually have trouble getting enough men to
>> them. I've also noticed lately that in singles ads, women well up in the
>> 60s are advertising for men as young as 45 - and these are educated
>> women, divorced or widowed.
>
> Wouldn't know, as I don't check singles ads.
>
I don't any longer as I found them too depressing.

On 4/16/2017 3:35 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-04-16 9:03 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>> I think the casserole toting ladies are much more independent than the
>> wives these widowers are used to. Nobody wants to be a servant to
>> some male, no matter what the enticement. Also, many widows are used
>> to making their own decisions....who needs a dependent man? ;-))
>>
> and as I mentioned upthread, there are a lot of women in their late 60s
> advertising for much younger men!
> DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

I told my wife that if I ever am single again I'd going to look for an
older mature woman. She should be at least 25

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 13:32:48 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-04-16 5:35 AM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:17:49 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:

>> as a widow i hear constant complaints that the brigade of casserole
>> ladies is defunct ! I don't know why it took so long, after a long
>> marriage why/how would youswitch horses. no, nowadays there is a
>> lineup of males wanting to replace the excellent
>> cook/housekeeper/mate/carer but they complain there are no more takers
>> the times they have changed.
>>
>But at singles events, they usually have trouble getting enough men to
>them. I've also noticed lately that in singles ads, women well up in the
>60s are advertising for men as young as 45 - and these are educated
>women, divorced or widowed.

I've never been to a singles event and I would suggest in ads you are
looking at a bigger maybe even infinite pool of women.

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 13:35:47 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-04-16 9:03 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>> I think the casserole toting ladies are much more independent than the
>> wives these widowers are used to. Nobody wants to be a servant to
>> some male, no matter what the enticement. Also, many widows are used
>> to making their own decisions....who needs a dependent man? ;-))
>>
>and as I mentioned upthread, there are a lot of women in their late 60s
>advertising for much younger men!
>DOUBLE STANDARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

lol I never wanted anything permanent but did enjoy a few run arounds
one of which was younger than my son