http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/us/atl...ies/index.html

(CNN)A 5-year-old boy died after being crushed Friday in a rotating
restaurant atop a downtown Atlanta tower, with the child getting caught
between a table and a wall as the floor moved, police said.

The boy was at the Sun Dial restaurant -- whose dining area topping the
73-story cylindrical Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel rotates to give
patrons a panoramic view of the city -- when he left his parents' table
Friday afternoon.
As the floor moved, the child became caught "in between maybe 4 to 5
inches of space," Atlanta police Sgt. Warren Pickard said.
"A small child (doesn't) know what to do in those moments. It crushed
his little, small body," Pickard said.

The Sun Dial rotating restaurant and bar sit atop the Westin Peachtree
Plaza Hotel in downtown Atlanta.
The floor automatically stopped as it is designed to do when something
is caught. The boy suffered serious head injuries and was taken to a
hospital, where he died, the officer said.
"We know they (were) the last customers for the lunch crowd, and this
was very tragic," Pickard said.
The family was visiting Atlanta from Charlotte, North Carolina. The
boy's name was not immediately released.
The hotel's manager, George Reed, issued a statement offering
condolences to the family.
The restaurant will be closed for the Easter weekend because of the
boy's death, CNN affiliate WGCL-TV in Atlanta reported.

On 2017-04-15 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/us/atl...ies/index.html
>
>
> (CNN)A 5-year-old boy died after being crushed Friday in a rotating
> restaurant atop a downtown Atlanta tower, with the child getting caught
> between a table and a wall as the floor moved, police said.
>
> The boy was at the Sun Dial restaurant -- whose dining area topping the
> 73-story cylindrical Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel rotates to give
> patrons a panoramic view of the city -- when he left his parents' table
> Friday afternoon.


Wow. That is tragic. This is a sad example of the many reasons that
young children should not be allowed to leave their parents' table and
roam around the restaurant.

On 4/15/2017 9:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-15 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/us/atl...ies/index.html
>>
>>
>> (CNN)A 5-year-old boy died after being crushed Friday in a rotating
>> restaurant atop a downtown Atlanta tower, with the child getting
>> caught between a table and a wall as the floor moved, police said.
>>
>> The boy was at the Sun Dial restaurant -- whose dining area topping
>> the 73-story cylindrical Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel rotates to give
>> patrons a panoramic view of the city -- when he left his parents'
>> table Friday afternoon.
>
>
> Wow. That is tragic. This is a sad example of the many reasons that
> young children should not be allowed to leave their parents' table and
> roam around the restaurant.
>
>

Yes, but there will be a lawsuit and the restaurant will pay. It does
seem strange that a table cannot be moved and a tight space would exist
like that.

On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 3:55:02 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-15 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/us/atl...ies/index.html
> >
> >
> > (CNN)A 5-year-old boy died after being crushed Friday in a rotating
> > restaurant atop a downtown Atlanta tower, with the child getting caught
> > between a table and a wall as the floor moved, police said.
> >
> > The boy was at the Sun Dial restaurant -- whose dining area topping the
> > 73-story cylindrical Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel rotates to give
> > patrons a panoramic view of the city -- when he left his parents' table
> > Friday afternoon.
>
>
> Wow. That is tragic. This is a sad example of the many reasons that
> young children should not be allowed to leave their parents' table and
> roam around the restaurant.

Mostly it's an example of why restaurants should not rotate.

On 4/15/2017 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/us/atl...ies/index.html
>
>
> (CNN)A 5-year-old boy died after being crushed Friday in a rotating
> restaurant atop a downtown Atlanta tower, with the child getting caught
> between a table and a wall as the floor moved, police said.
>
That's terribly sad.

Jill

On 4/15/2017 11:58 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 15 Apr 2017 07:25:01p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>
>> On 4/15/2017 9:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-15 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/us/atl...estaurant-boy-
>>>> dies/index.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (CNN)A 5-year-old boy died after being crushed Friday in a
>>>> rotating restaurant atop a downtown Atlanta tower, with the
>>>> child getting caught between a table and a wall as the floor
>>>> moved, police said.
>>>>
>>>> The boy was at the Sun Dial restaurant -- whose dining area
>>>> topping the 73-story cylindrical Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel
>>>> rotates to give patrons a panoramic view of the city -- when he
>>>> left his parents' table Friday afternoon.
>>>
>>>
>>> Wow. That is tragic. This is a sad example of the many reasons
>>> that young children should not be allowed to leave their parents'
>>> table and roam around the restaurant.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes, but there will be a lawsuit and the restaurant will pay. It
>> does seem strange that a table cannot be moved and a tight space
>> would exist like that.
>
> Most revolving restaurants have tables mounted permanenetly to the
> revolving floor for various safety reasons. However, the space
> between the table and the outside wall should either so small as not
> to permit a body part being caught between, or large enough so as not
> to cause bodily damange.
>
It's tragic. But who the heck could imagine a child would decide to
crawl between the moving wall and the table? I doubt the designers of
the restaurant ever imagined such a scenario.

I can certainly understand why the table would be bolted to the floor in
a revolving restaurant. Kind of like they're bolted to the floor on a
ship. (Damn, I did let the anniversary of the Titanic slip right past me.)

This was just a very bizarre, tragic accident. I don't see why anyone
should get sued. It is not something that could be imagined, much less
planned for.

Jill

On 4/15/2017 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/us/atl...ies/index.html
>
>
> (CNN)A 5-year-old boy died after being crushed Friday in a rotating
> restaurant atop a downtown Atlanta tower, with the child getting caught
> between a table and a wall as the floor moved, police said.
>
(snippage)

Not to make light of the situation, but my SO said, "I hope they weren't
charged for the meal." I couldn't help it, I cracked up. Sometimes
laughing is the only way to deal with something horrific.

Jill

On 2017-04-15 10:28 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 3:55:02 PM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-04-15 9:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/15/us/atl...ies/index.html
>>>
>>>
>>> (CNN)A 5-year-old boy died after being crushed Friday in a rotating
>>> restaurant atop a downtown Atlanta tower, with the child getting caught
>>> between a table and a wall as the floor moved, police said.
>>>
>>> The boy was at the Sun Dial restaurant -- whose dining area topping the
>>> 73-story cylindrical Westin Peachtree Plaza Hotel rotates to give
>>> patrons a panoramic view of the city -- when he left his parents' table
>>> Friday afternoon.
>>
>>
>> Wow. That is tragic. This is a sad example of the many reasons that
>> young children should not be allowed to leave their parents' table and
>> roam around the restaurant.
>
> Mostly it's an example of why restaurants should not rotate.
>

There are lots of rotating restaurants. It's a bit of a gimmick that
people have been enjoying for years. Sit there and watch the scenery change.


I have to say I am having a hard time understanding how a child could be
fatally injured in a situation like that. It's not like the restaurant
is spinning around at high speed. I would expect a person, even a child,
to see that there is a problem and to get away in good time.

In the past we have discussed the issue of kids running loose in
restaurants. Servers can tell stories about kids running into them,
tripping over them, the danger of spilling things on them, or because of
them. Apparently nobody ever envisioned a child being crushed in a
revolving restaurant.

On 4/16/2017 12:36 AM, jmcquown wrote:

> It's tragic. But who the heck could imagine a child would decide to
> crawl between the moving wall and the table? I doubt the designers of
> the restaurant ever imagined such a scenario.
>
> I can certainly understand why the table would be bolted to the floor in
> a revolving restaurant. Kind of like they're bolted to the floor on a
> ship. (Damn, I did let the anniversary of the Titanic slip right past me.)
>
> This was just a very bizarre, tragic accident. I don't see why anyone
> should get sued. It is not something that could be imagined, much less
> planned for.
>
> Jill

More details are needed but good engineering would eliminate pinch
points. Just as OSHA requires guards on machines, a rotating restaurant
is just a large version.

On 4/16/2017 9:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> I have to say I am having a hard time understanding how a child could be
> fatally injured in a situation like that. It's not like the restaurant
> is spinning around at high speed. I would expect a person, even a child,
> to see that there is a problem and to get away in good time.

Maybe we'll get the rest of the story. Perhaps a guard was removed,
climbed over, something was moved. I'm sure it will be investigated.

On 2017-04-16, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> More details are needed but good engineering would eliminate pinch
> points.

Good engineering requires mucho $$$$.

nb

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> On 4/16/2017 9:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >
> > I have to say I am having a hard time understanding how a child could be
> > fatally injured in a situation like that. It's not like the restaurant
> > is spinning around at high speed. I would expect a person, even a child,
> > to see that there is a problem and to get away in good time.
>
> Maybe we'll get the rest of the story. Perhaps a guard was removed,
> climbed over, something was moved. I'm sure it will be investigated.

I'm actually surprised that a rotating restaurant would only
rotate the floor and have walls not. That sounds like an accident
waiting to happen and now it has.

A rotating restaurant on top of a building should be completely
enclosed...walls and floors attached and the entire restaurant should
rotate only from the bottom underneath part. What the hell were
they thinking?

A law suit for the 5 year old child is warranted. A child should be
able to walk around a room without chance of getting crushed by a
rotating floor and stationary wall.

Bad engineering, imo.

Wayne, the news report said the space was about 5 inches....that's pretty
small for an adult body.

As someone said, children that young should never be allowed to wander
around a restaurant on their own. Blame the parents.

N.

On 2017-04-16 10:55 AM, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 4/16/2017 9:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have to say I am having a hard time understanding how a child could be
>>> fatally injured in a situation like that. It's not like the restaurant
>>> is spinning around at high speed. I would expect a person, even a child,
>>> to see that there is a problem and to get away in good time.
>>
>> Maybe we'll get the rest of the story. Perhaps a guard was removed,
>> climbed over, something was moved. I'm sure it will be investigated.
>
> I'm actually surprised that a rotating restaurant would only
> rotate the floor and have walls not. That sounds like an accident
> waiting to happen and now it has.

That does not surprise me at all. It would take a lot engineering to
have a section of the building move. Aside from the bearings needed for
the whole thing to move there would be plumbing and wiring issues. By
having just the floor revolve you save a lot of expense. AFAIAC, it is a
gimmick that does not appeal to me.


> A rotating restaurant on top of a building should be completely
> enclosed...walls and floors attached and the entire restaurant should
> rotate only from the bottom underneath part. What the hell were
> they thinking?
>
> A law suit for the 5 year old child is warranted. A child should be
> able to walk around a room without chance of getting crushed by a
> rotating floor and stationary wall.

It's tragic and I am sure that they will be offered something. I haven't
seen anything that would suggest any negligence on the part of the
restaurant. Where I do see negligence is in the parenting.

This is timely to this group since we had that recent thread about
children in restaurants. This was not a cheap place or a family
restaurant. It's pretty pricey. I just checked out their menu, and the
cheapest entree is a pasta dish, butternut squash ravioli, for $34, just
up from there is a Berkshire pork chop for $42. The cheapest steak is
$55. People paying those prices don't want 5 years wandering around
amusing themselves while mommy and daddy eat.



> Bad engineering, imo.

I don't know about that. Here is a link to a video that shows the
restaurant and you can see how slowly it turns. I don't understand how
even a child could have trouble extracting himself from any hazard posed
by that slow rotation.

Nancy2 wrote:
>
> Wayne, the news report said the space was about 5 inches....that's pretty
> small for an adult body.
>
> As someone said, children that young should never be allowed to wander
> around a restaurant on their own. Blame the parents.
>
> N.

A floor should never rotate against walls. WTH?
And with fixed tables moving only 5"? Get real.

While kids shouldn't be allowed to wander a restaurant,
you certainly don't blame the parents for this.

Bad design, bad engineering, I would award the parents maximum
compensation. Not that the money will ever help them get over
this tragedy of losing their 5 year old.

Childless Jill and her "SO" can make jokes but it's not funny
at all to me.

notbob wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> More details are needed but good engineering would eliminate pinch
>> points.
>
>Good engineering requires mucho $$$$.
>
>nb

Not at all... only requires an IQ.

However I agree that we need more details, like where were the parents
and perhaps a learning disabled child not being supervised. In any
even the restaurant will get sued and lose mucho $$$$. I think any
child at any restaurnat should be required to be belted in or strapped
into a car seat, same as in an automobile or on an amusement park
ride.... lots of adults need strapping in too, I've seen grown ups
fall off bar stools.

On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:55:04 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>> On 4/16/2017 9:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I have to say I am having a hard time understanding how a child could be
>> > fatally injured in a situation like that. It's not like the restaurant
>> > is spinning around at high speed. I would expect a person, even a child,
>> > to see that there is a problem and to get away in good time.
>>
>> Maybe we'll get the rest of the story. Perhaps a guard was removed,
>> climbed over, something was moved. I'm sure it will be investigated.
>
>I'm actually surprised that a rotating restaurant would only
>rotate the floor and have walls not. That sounds like an accident
>waiting to happen and now it has.
>
>A rotating restaurant on top of a building should be completely
>enclosed...walls and floors attached and the entire restaurant should
>rotate only from the bottom underneath part. What the hell were
>they thinking?
>
>A law suit for the 5 year old child is warranted. A child should be
>able to walk around a room without chance of getting crushed by a
>rotating floor and stationary wall.
>
>Bad engineering, imo.

Thing is we don't know that's what occured, people are surmising...
need details. I seriously doubt the floor was revolving but the walls
were stationary.

> wrote in message
...

> ride.... lots of adults need strapping in too, I've seen grown ups
> fall off bar stools.



From your prone position on the floor no doubt. ;-)

Cheri

On 4/16/2017 1:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> ride.... lots of adults need strapping in too, I've seen grown ups
>> fall off bar stools.
>
>
>
> From your prone position on the floor no doubt. ;-)
>
> Cheri

LOL! Happy Easter!

Jill

On 4/16/2017 12:12 PM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy2 wrote:
>>
>> Wayne, the news report said the space was about 5 inches....that's pretty
>> small for an adult body.
>>
>> As someone said, children that young should never be allowed to wander
>> around a restaurant on their own. Blame the parents.
>>
>> N.
>
> A floor should never rotate against walls. WTH?
> And with fixed tables moving only 5"? Get real.
>
> While kids shouldn't be allowed to wander a restaurant,
> you certainly don't blame the parents for this.
>
> Bad design, bad engineering, I would award the parents maximum
> compensation. Not that the money will ever help them get over
> this tragedy of losing their 5 year old.
>
> Childless Jill and her "SO" can make jokes but it's not funny
> at all to me.
>
I never said it was funny. Sometimes when you hear about tragedies like
this I get punchy. It's tiresome to hear nothing pleasant. And why you
keep putting my "SO" in quotes is a mystery. His name is John and he's
very real.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 4/16/2017 1:26 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> ride.... lots of adults need strapping in too, I've seen grown ups
>>> fall off bar stools.
>>
>>
>>
>> From your prone position on the floor no doubt. ;-)
>>
>> Cheri
>
> LOL! Happy Easter!
>
> Jill


Same to you Jill!

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> I never said it was funny. Sometimes when you hear about tragedies like
> this I get punchy. It's tiresome to hear nothing pleasant. And why you
> keep putting my "SO" in quotes is a mystery. His name is John and he's
> very real.
>
> Jill


I definitely understand, sometimes things are so awful that a person laughs
just to relieve the stress. It happens to me.

Cheri

Dave Smith wrote:
>Gary wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have to say I am having a hard time understanding how a child could be
>>>> fatally injured in a situation like that. It's not like the restaurant
>>>> is spinning around at high speed. I would expect a person, even a child,
>>>> to see that there is a problem and to get away in good time.
>>>
>>> Maybe we'll get the rest of the story. Perhaps a guard was removed,
>>> climbed over, something was moved. I'm sure it will be investigated.
>>
>> I'm actually surprised that a rotating restaurant would only
>> rotate the floor and have walls not. That sounds like an accident
>> waiting to happen and now it has.

Exactly!

>That does not surprise me at all. It would take a lot engineering to
>have a section of the building move. Aside from the bearings needed for
>the whole thing to move there would be plumbing and wiring issues. By
>having just the floor revolve you save a lot of expense. AFAIAC, it is a
>gimmick that does not appeal to me.
>
>> A rotating restaurant on top of a building should be completely
>> enclosed...walls and floors attached and the entire restaurant should
>> rotate only from the bottom underneath part. What the hell were
>> they thinking?

Exactly!

>> A law suit for the 5 year old child is warranted. A child should be
>> able to walk around a room without chance of getting crushed by a
>> rotating floor and stationary wall.
>
>It's tragic and I am sure that they will be offered something. I haven't
>seen anything that would suggest any negligence on the part of the
>restaurant. Where I do see negligence is in the parenting.
>
>This is timely to this group since we had that recent thread about
>children in restaurants. This was not a cheap place or a family
>restaurant. It's pretty pricey. I just checked out their menu, and the
>cheapest entree is a pasta dish, butternut squash ravioli, for $34, just
>up from there is a Berkshire pork chop for $42. The cheapest steak is
>$55. People paying those prices don't want 5 years wandering around
>amusing themselves while mommy and daddy eat.
>
>> Bad engineering, imo.
>
>I don't know about that. Here is a link to a video that shows the
>restaurant and you can see how slowly it turns. I don't understand how
>even a child could have trouble extracting himself from any hazard posed
>by that slow rotation.

I've been to two of those rotating restaurants, there's a tall inside
glass panel wall attached to the cirumference of the rotating floor
with its top edge hidden by the decor at the ceiling, the ceiling is
stationery. The exterior glass panel wall is separated by a catwalk
for maintenence and is part of the building so is stationary (in warm
climes no exterior wall is needed. The center section is stationary,
that's where the entry, kitchen, bathrooms, and the mechanicals are
located, same as the typical old time carousels, only a restaurnt
would be rotating far more slowly. At a slow rate of rotation the
inner edge of the floor is moving so slowly that it's practically
imperceptable to realize the floor is turning when moving to the
stationery inner section. It's difficult for me to imagine a rotating
restaurant was built that the glass wall accessible to the patrons
didn't rotate at the same rate as the floor, because they are
attached. There is no big engineering feat or cost involved; whee I
worked we had a battery of VTLs, Vertical Turret Lathes of different
diameters, the largest some 40' and could support fifty+ tons.
https://lunapark.com.au/attractions/carousel/
VTL:
https://www.alibaba.com/showroom/lar...al-lathes.html
http://www.woodworkforums.com/f8/ver...bowls-190487/2

On 4/16/2017 12:59 PM, wrote:

>> Bad engineering, imo.
>
> Thing is we don't know that's what occured, people are surmising...
> need details. I seriously doubt the floor was revolving but the walls
> were stationary.
>

They mention rotting floor like a turntable. Perhaps some of the towers
to, but I did not see any specifics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_restaurant
A revolving restaurant or rotating restaurant is usually a tower
restaurant eating space designed to rest atop a broad circular revolving
platform that operates as a large turntable. The building remains
stationary and the diners are carried on the revolving floor. The
revolving rate varies between one and three times per hour and enables
patrons to enjoy a panoramic view without leaving their seats. The slow
speed only requires less than a horsepower.[1] Such restaurants are
often located on upper stories of hotels, communication towers, and
skyscrapers.



Also a lot have closed or no longer rotate. Must be a maintenance
nightmare.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ng_restaurants

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 4/16/2017 12:59 PM, wrote:
>
> >> Bad engineering, imo.
> >
> > Thing is we don't know that's what occured, people are surmising...
> > need details. I seriously doubt the floor was revolving but the walls
> > were stationary.
> >
>
> They mention rotting floor like a turntable. Perhaps some of the towers
> to, but I did not see any specifics.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolving_restaurant
> A revolving restaurant or rotating restaurant is usually a tower
> restaurant eating space designed to rest atop a broad circular revolving
> platform that operates as a large turntable. The building remains
> stationary and the diners are carried on the revolving floor. The
> revolving rate varies between one and three times per hour and enables
> patrons to enjoy a panoramic view without leaving their seats. The slow
> speed only requires less than a horsepower.[1] Such restaurants are
> often located on upper stories of hotels, communication towers, and
> skyscrapers.


These rotating restos were a "thing" in the sixties, considering very "futuristic"...remember Seattle's Space Needle was a sensation at the time, others copied.


> Also a lot have closed or no longer rotate. Must be a maintenance
> nightmare.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ng_restaurants


I visited the Berlin Fernsehturm in the 70's, of course at that time it was located in the old East Germany. Despite all their talk about "socialist solidarity" and their anti - capitalist hooey, I received preferential treatment because I paid for my ticket in western currency (West German Deutschemarks). So no long wait in line, I was whisked right up to the top and immediately seated, the price I paid for a "Berliner Wurst" with a boiled potato, a stale piece of cake, and several mugs of warm East German **** - wasser bier was pretty steep. Visiting the top of this tower was very popular with East Germans, it was the only place they could view a glimpse of the forbidden fruit called "West Berlin"...

Fvcking kommunists, thank god they are gone...


--
Best
Greg

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 10:54:58 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > On 4/16/2017 9:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I have to say I am having a hard time understanding how a child could be
> > > fatally injured in a situation like that. It's not like the restaurant
> > > is spinning around at high speed. I would expect a person, even a child,
> > > to see that there is a problem and to get away in good time.
> >
> > Maybe we'll get the rest of the story. Perhaps a guard was removed,
> > climbed over, something was moved. I'm sure it will be investigated.
>
> I'm actually surprised that a rotating restaurant would only
> rotate the floor and have walls not. That sounds like an accident
> waiting to happen and now it has.
>
> A rotating restaurant on top of a building should be completely
> enclosed...walls and floors attached and the entire restaurant should
> rotate only from the bottom underneath part. What the hell were
> they thinking?

They were thinking that it's a whale of a lot more weight to move
around to have all that glass on the outside moving, and whatever
infrastructure on the inside as well.

The design they used is sensible, but there ought to be some
protection against sticking things into the gap.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2017-04-16 12:59 PM, wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:55:04 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>> On 4/16/2017 9:22 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have to say I am having a hard time understanding how a child could be
>>>> fatally injured in a situation like that. It's not like the restaurant
>>>> is spinning around at high speed. I would expect a person, even a child,
>>>> to see that there is a problem and to get away in good time.
>>>
>>> Maybe we'll get the rest of the story. Perhaps a guard was removed,
>>> climbed over, something was moved. I'm sure it will be investigated.
>>
>> I'm actually surprised that a rotating restaurant would only
>> rotate the floor and have walls not. That sounds like an accident
>> waiting to happen and now it has.
>>
>> A rotating restaurant on top of a building should be completely
>> enclosed...walls and floors attached and the entire restaurant should
>> rotate only from the bottom underneath part. What the hell were
>> they thinking?
>>
>> A law suit for the 5 year old child is warranted. A child should be
>> able to walk around a room without chance of getting crushed by a
>> rotating floor and stationary wall.
>>
>> Bad engineering, imo.
>
> Thing is we don't know that's what occured, people are surmising...
> need details. I seriously doubt the floor was revolving but the walls
> were stationary.

I linked a video of the place and that is quite obviously happening.

>

On 2017-04-16 1:35 PM, jmcquown wrote:

>> Childless Jill and her "SO" can make jokes but it's not funny
>> at all to me.
>>
> I never said it was funny. Sometimes when you hear about tragedies like
> this I get punchy. It's tiresome to hear nothing pleasant. And why you
> keep putting my "SO" in quotes is a mystery. His name is John and he's
> very real.


I certainly haven't read anything from you or anyone else that suggested
it was funny. I have seen nothing to suggest that anyone thought there
was anything funny about this tragic incident. What I did see was
comments similar to my own about the hazards of a 5 year old being
allowed to wander around on his own in a restaurant.

On 2017-04-16 2:52 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sun 16 Apr 2017 09:12:12a, Gary told us...

> I agree aobut the bad design and engineering. However, I'mm not sure
> I agree about awarding compensation. The parents should have kept
> their kid in tow, or not taken him there at all.
>
> I have been to that restaurant and one thing that I doubt has been
> mentiioned is that the rotation is SO SLOW as to be almost
> imperceptable, and the incident should/could have been avoided. IT's
> not as though the kid had been put through a fast moving set of
> gears.

That was my point. I have to admit that I was the sort of kid who would
be constantly pushing limits and putting myself in peril. I have seen
revolving restaurants and I saw a video of the place in question, and I
cannot understand how the child could not have got himself out of harm's
way. It's not like it was spinning at high speed.

On 4/16/2017 9:58 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> That was my point. I have to admit that I was the sort of kid who would
> be constantly pushing limits and putting myself in peril. I have seen
> revolving restaurants and I saw a video of the place in question, and I
> cannot understand how the child could not have got himself out of harm's
> way. It's not like it was spinning at high speed.
>
>

I wonder if it was intentional of sorts. The kid may have been
intrigued by the way the gap changed and wanted to see if he would fit.

About the same age, my son got himself stuck in the washing machine. My
wife easily got him out though, just moved the tub on a top loader.

On Sunday, April 16, 2017 at 9:56:37 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-16 2:52 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > On Sun 16 Apr 2017 09:12:12a, Gary told us...
>
> > I agree aobut the bad design and engineering. However, I'mm not sure
> > I agree about awarding compensation. The parents should have kept
> > their kid in tow, or not taken him there at all.
> >
> > I have been to that restaurant and one thing that I doubt has been
> > mentiioned is that the rotation is SO SLOW as to be almost
> > imperceptable, and the incident should/could have been avoided. IT's
> > not as though the kid had been put through a fast moving set of
> > gears.
>
> That was my point. I have to admit that I was the sort of kid who would
> be constantly pushing limits and putting myself in peril. I have seen
> revolving restaurants and I saw a video of the place in question, and I
> cannot understand how the child could not have got himself out of harm's
> way. It's not like it was spinning at high speed.

It's possible that there was some narrower area that he was quite close
to where he went in. Let's see if I can ASCII art this badboy:

--------------
____| |____

He could be fatally (and slowly) crushed before anyone could
extricate him.

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
> Subject: Kids in restaurant tragic ending
> From: Dave Smith >
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>
> On 2017-04-16 12:59 PM, wrote:
> > Thing is we don't know that's what occured, people are surmising...
> > need details. I seriously doubt the floor was revolving but the walls
> > were stationary.
>
> I linked a video of the place and that is quite obviously happening.
>
There's plenty of space between the rotating floor's fixed tables and
the glass, except when a table passes one of those heavy window support
stanchions; pic here

http://buildingwithpurpose.us/ga/wp-...14/05/SunDial-
Hero1.jpg

there the gap is much narrower and I'm guessing that's where the head
of a small child could get pinned and crushed between the stanchion and
the table edge.

Janet UK

On 2017-04-17 11:43 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>> Subject: Kids in restaurant tragic ending
>> From: Dave Smith >
>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>
>> On 2017-04-16 12:59 PM, wrote:
>>> Thing is we don't know that's what occured, people are surmising...
>>> need details. I seriously doubt the floor was revolving but the walls
>>> were stationary.
>>
>> I linked a video of the place and that is quite obviously happening.
>>
> There's plenty of space between the rotating floor's fixed tables and
> the glass, except when a table passes one of those heavy window support
> stanchions; pic here
>
> http://buildingwithpurpose.us/ga/wp-...14/05/SunDial-
> Hero1.jpg
>
> there the gap is much narrower and I'm guessing that's where the head
> of a small child could get pinned and crushed between the stanchion and
> the table edge.
>
It still amazes me that a child of that age could not see the problem
and get clear. It is sort of like being run over by a slow moving steam
roller. You have to be able to see it coming, and the low speed gives
lots of time to move.