On Wednesday, April 19, 2017 at 9:19:18 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> For years I've seen where pheasant was considered an elegant food,
> mostly for the wealthy. It has been in movies served with champagne. I
> always wanted to try it and today I did.
>
> I took my wife and a friend to lunch at a nearby winery. It is a nice
> place, quiet relaxed dining.
>
> This is what I had
> https://nashobawinery.com/lunch/item/pork-2/
>
> So after all these years, I finally got my elegant pheasant meal.
> Conclusion: Tastes like chicken. Save your money and get chicken.





All of mine are locked up except my 357 mag, remington, winchester and federal don't make no 2, hornady may tho.

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:58:50 -0400, wrote:

>On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>wrote:
>
>>On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:33:08 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>>> I'll use a 12 ga 1.25 oz at 1220 with no 6 shot to turkey hunt with, smaller tighter pattern than a 1.25 at 1330. I do have some fed flight control 1.5 no 4 at 1315 tho.
>>
>>We don't have wild turkeys as we are too far north. I would probably use No. 4 or even No. 2 for killing power as that is what I use on wild geese. That is
>>using 3" - 12 gauge ammo.
>
>My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
>Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
>is a sicko COWARD!

Ok, I'll admit it. I agree with Sheldon.

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:31:44 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 1:58:55 PM UTC-6, Sheldon wrote:

>> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
>> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
>> is a sicko COWARD!
>
>I eat what I shoot...as a rule. I like wild meat. I have shot ducks, geese,
>sharp-tail grouse, ruffed grouse, pheasant and Hungarian partridge locally.
>Also pests like @#$% crows, magpies, pigeons, gophers, wascally wabbits and
>squirrels when they built nests where they shouldn't have.
>I don't BOAST of my "murdering" although you might think so.
>Many a rabbit I have killed to feed our barn cats, and they appreciated each
>and every one of them especially when it was forty below zero.
>What's the difference between wild and tame animals? They live and breath and
>die. You eat pork, beef chicken and fish...someone had to "murder" them for your
>dinner table.
>====

Even though I'm against that too, you'd hope it's done more
professionally than by a retard with a shotgun and too much time on
their hands.

On 2017-04-21 5:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:58:50 -0400, wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:33:08 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>>>> I'll use a 12 ga 1.25 oz at 1220 with no 6 shot to turkey hunt with, smaller tighter pattern than a 1.25 at 1330. I do have some fed flight control 1.5 no 4 at 1315 tho.
>>>
>>> We don't have wild turkeys as we are too far north. I would probably use No. 4 or even No. 2 for killing power as that is what I use on wild geese. That is
>>> using 3" - 12 gauge ammo.
>>
>> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
>> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
>> is a sicko COWARD!
>
> Ok, I'll admit it. I agree with Sheldon.
>

Sooo.... when you eat beef, pork, chicken or any other animal, you can
ease your conscience by having someone else slaughter the animal for you?

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 11:45:33 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-21 5:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:58:50 -0400, wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:33:08 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> >>>> I'll use a 12 ga 1.25 oz at 1220 with no 6 shot to turkey hunt with, smaller tighter pattern than a 1.25 at 1330. I do have some fed flight control 1.5 no 4 at 1315 tho.
> >>>
> >>> We don't have wild turkeys as we are too far north. I would probably use No. 4 or even No. 2 for killing power as that is what I use on wild geese. That is
> >>> using 3" - 12 gauge ammo.
> >>
> >> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
> >> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
> >> is a sicko COWARD!
> >
> > Ok, I'll admit it. I agree with Sheldon.
> >
>
> Sooo.... when you eat beef, pork, chicken or any other animal, you can
> ease your conscience by having someone else slaughter the animal for you?

Most meat eaters don't have the moxie to kill a mammal or boid. Unfortunately, meat is too delicious for us to stop eating them. We owe a debt of gratitude to professionals of the slaughtering industry.

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 3:43:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 13:31:44 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 1:58:55 PM UTC-6, Sheldon wrote:
>
> >> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
> >> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
> >> is a sicko COWARD!
> >
> >I eat what I shoot...as a rule. I like wild meat. I have shot ducks, geese,
> >sharp-tail grouse, ruffed grouse, pheasant and Hungarian partridge locally.
> >Also pests like @#$% crows, magpies, pigeons, gophers, wascally wabbits and
> >squirrels when they built nests where they shouldn't have.
> >I don't BOAST of my "murdering" although you might think so.
> >Many a rabbit I have killed to feed our barn cats, and they appreciated each
> >and every one of them especially when it was forty below zero.
> >What's the difference between wild and tame animals? They live and breath and
> >die. You eat pork, beef chicken and fish...someone had to "murder" them for your
> >dinner table.
> >====
>
> Even though I'm against that too, you'd hope it's done more
> professionally than by a retard with a shotgun and too much time on
> their hands.

"professionally" eh? What-a-crock that is. The animal is DEAD no matter
who killed it or HOW it croaked. Smarten up or maybe someone will send a
"professional" to smarten you up...ahahahahahahhhaahhhahahha
May Australia be your home forever...but watch out for the poisonous spiders.
There are millions of them just waiting for you.
=====

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:19:28 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 3:43:46 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:

>> Even though I'm against that too, you'd hope it's done more
>> professionally than by a retard with a shotgun and too much time on
>> their hands.
>
>"professionally" eh? What-a-crock that is. The animal is DEAD no matter
>who killed it or HOW it croaked.

How is very important. Who wants death by redneck?

> Smarten up or maybe someone will send a
>"professional" to smarten you up...ahahahahahahhhaahhhahahha
>May Australia be your home forever...but watch out for the poisonous spiders.
>There are millions of them just waiting for you.
>=====

I'm sorry to inform you that since the introduction of anti-venom in
1981, there have been no more fatalities from funnel web spider bite.

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:45:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-21 5:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:58:50 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:33:08 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>>>>> I'll use a 12 ga 1.25 oz at 1220 with no 6 shot to turkey hunt with, smaller tighter pattern than a 1.25 at 1330. I do have some fed flight control 1.5 no 4 at 1315 tho.
>>>>
>>>> We don't have wild turkeys as we are too far north. I would probably use No. 4 or even No. 2 for killing power as that is what I use on wild geese. That is
>>>> using 3" - 12 gauge ammo.
>>>
>>> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
>>> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
>>> is a sicko COWARD!
>>
>> Ok, I'll admit it. I agree with Sheldon.
>>
>Sooo.... when you eat beef, pork, chicken or any other animal, you can
>ease your conscience by having someone else slaughter the animal for you?

I don't eat any of those for the same reason. I do eat fish, though.
That's a compromise between my brain and my taste buds.

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:13:02 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 11:45:33 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-04-21 5:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> > On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:58:50 -0400, wrote:
>> >
>> >> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
>> >> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
>> >> is a sicko COWARD!
>> >
>> > Ok, I'll admit it. I agree with Sheldon.
>> >
>> Sooo.... when you eat beef, pork, chicken or any other animal, you can
>> ease your conscience by having someone else slaughter the animal for you?
>
>Most meat eaters don't have the moxie to kill a mammal or boid. Unfortunately, meat is too delicious for us to stop eating them. We owe a debt of gratitude to professionals of the slaughtering industry.

They've either been desensitized or they were sociopaths to begin
with.

On 2017-04-21 8:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:45:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>>> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
>>>> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
>>>> is a sicko COWARD!
>>>
>>> Ok, I'll admit it. I agree with Sheldon.
>>>
>> Sooo.... when you eat beef, pork, chicken or any other animal, you can
>> ease your conscience by having someone else slaughter the animal for you?
>
> I don't eat any of those for the same reason. I do eat fish, though.
> That's a compromise between my brain and my taste buds.
>


Has anyone ever told you that fish are alive and they are killed before
you can eat them?

On 2017-04-21 6:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-21 8:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:45:40 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>>> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
>>>>> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
>>>>> is a sicko COWARD!
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I'll admit it. I agree with Sheldon.
>>>>
>>> Sooo.... when you eat beef, pork, chicken or any other animal, you can
>>> ease your conscience by having someone else slaughter the animal for
>>> you?
>>
>> I don't eat any of those for the same reason. I do eat fish, though.
>> That's a compromise between my brain and my taste buds.
>>
>
>
> Has anyone ever told you that fish are alive and they are killed before
> you can eat them?
>
Yeah, but in Bruce's mind, only lightly killed:-)

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:06:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-21 3:58 PM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:33:08 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>>>> I'll use a 12 ga 1.25 oz at 1220 with no 6 shot to turkey hunt with, smaller tighter pattern than a 1.25 at 1330. I do have some fed flight control 1.5 no 4 at 1315 tho.
>>>
>>> We don't have wild turkeys as we are too far north. I would probably use No. 4 or even No. 2 for killing power as that is what I use on wild geese. That is
>>> using 3" - 12 gauge ammo.
>>
>> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
>> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
>> is a sicko COWARD!
>>
>
>You're right of course. It is morally superior to have someone else
>kill your meat for you.

The meat at market never lived wild and free.

On 4/21/2017 8:55 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-21 8:34 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>
>> I don't eat any of those for the same reason. I do eat fish, though.
>> That's a compromise between my brain and my taste buds.
>>
>
>
> Has anyone ever told you that fish are alive and they are killed before
> you can eat them?
>

Nah, get the frozen ones. They died in the ice.

On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 20:55:02 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-21 8:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:45:40 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>>> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
>>>>> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
>>>>> is a sicko COWARD!
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I'll admit it. I agree with Sheldon.
>>>>
>>> Sooo.... when you eat beef, pork, chicken or any other animal, you can
>>> ease your conscience by having someone else slaughter the animal for you?
>>
>> I don't eat any of those for the same reason. I do eat fish, though.
>> That's a compromise between my brain and my taste buds.
>>
>
>
>Has anyone ever told you that fish are alive and they are killed before
>you can eat them?

I'd be a better person if I also didn't eat fish.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 11:45:33 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-21 5:41 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 15:58:50 -0400, wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:33:08 AM UTC-6,
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> I'll use a 12 ga 1.25 oz at 1220 with no 6 shot to turkey hunt with,
> >>>> smaller tighter pattern than a 1.25 at 1330. I do have some fed
> >>>> flight control 1.5 no 4 at 1315 tho.
> >>>
> >>> We don't have wild turkeys as we are too far north. I would probably
> >>> use No. 4 or even No. 2 for killing power as that is what I use on
> >>> wild geese. That is
> >>> using 3" - 12 gauge ammo.
> >>
> >> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
> >> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
> >> is a sicko COWARD!
> >
> > Ok, I'll admit it. I agree with Sheldon.
> >
>
> Sooo.... when you eat beef, pork, chicken or any other animal, you can
> ease your conscience by having someone else slaughter the animal for you?

Most meat eaters don't have the moxie to kill a mammal or boid.
Unfortunately, meat is too delicious for us to stop eating them. We owe a
debt of gratitude to professionals of the slaughtering industry.

===

I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
slaughterhouse.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Ophelia" wrote in message ...


I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
slaughterhouse.

===

See he

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 08:49:05 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>
>
>I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
>slaughterhouse.
>
>===
>
>See he
>
>http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html

I agree.

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:12:19 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:06:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2017-04-21 3:58 PM, wrote:
> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:33:08 AM UTC-6, wrote:
> >>>> I'll use a 12 ga 1.25 oz at 1220 with no 6 shot to turkey hunt with, smaller tighter pattern than a 1.25 at 1330. I do have some fed flight control 1.5 no 4 at 1315 tho.
> >>>
> >>> We don't have wild turkeys as we are too far north. I would probably use No. 4 or even No. 2 for killing power as that is what I use on wild geese. That is
> >>> using 3" - 12 gauge ammo.
> >>
> >> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
> >> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
> >> is a sicko COWARD!
> >>
> >
> >You're right of course. It is morally superior to have someone else
> >kill your meat for you.
>
> The meat at market never lived wild and free.

"Free" is a concept that applies only to humans. Wild animals live
in a constant state of stress. You've watched too many Disney
movies.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2017-04-22 1:49 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>
>
> I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
> slaughterhouse.
>
Or a kosher one!!!!!
Graham

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>
>
> I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
> slaughterhouse.
>
> ===
>
> See he
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

My neighbor would kill the pigs he raised by getting down to their level and holding them against his body to get them calm and comfortable and stabbing them in the neck. He said they went down without distress. That was kind of him.

On 4/22/2017 1:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
>> slaughterhouse.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> See he
>>
>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> My neighbor would kill the pigs he raised by getting down to their level and holding them against his body to get them calm and comfortable and stabbing them in the neck. He said they went down without distress. That was kind of him.
>

Yeah right. Dream on. How about your wife lays down next to you in bed
and stabs you in the neck. Is that a good death? Would you go down
without distress? Would that be kind of her?

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>
>
> I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
> slaughterhouse.
>
> ===
>
> See he
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

My neighbor would kill the pigs he raised by getting down to their level and
holding them against his body to get them calm and comfortable and stabbing
them in the neck. He said they went down without distress. That was kind of
him.


===

It most certainly was!


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 7:28:25 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> On 4/22/2017 1:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
> >>
> >>
> >> I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
> >> slaughterhouse.
> >>
> >> ===
> >>
> >> See he
> >>
> >> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> >
> > My neighbor would kill the pigs he raised by getting down to their level and holding them against his body to get them calm and comfortable and stabbing them in the neck. He said they went down without distress. That was kind of him.
> >
>
> Yeah right. Dream on. How about your wife lays down next to you in bed
> and stabs you in the neck. Is that a good death? Would you go down
> without distress? Would that be kind of her?

You forget one small detail. Humans don't routinely kill and eat other humans on a massive scale. At least, I don't. Do you?

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:45:50 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
> >
> >
> > I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
> > slaughterhouse.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > See he
> >
> > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html
> >
> >
> > --
> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> My neighbor would kill the pigs he raised by getting down to their level and
> holding them against his body to get them calm and comfortable and stabbing
> them in the neck. He said they went down without distress. That was kind of
> him.
>
>
> ===
>
> It most certainly was!
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

The sense I got from these small scale pig farmers was that they had a genuine affection for their animals. He did not slash the pig's throat - just a short, quick, jab.

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 1:15:11 AM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 20:55:02 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >On 2017-04-21 8:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:45:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
> >>>>> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
> >>>>> is a sicko COWARD!
> >>>>
> >>>> Ok, I'll admit it. I agree with Sheldon.
> >>>>
> >>> Sooo.... when you eat beef, pork, chicken or any other animal, you can
> >>> ease your conscience by having someone else slaughter the animal for you?
> >>
> >> I don't eat any of those for the same reason. I do eat fish, though.
> >> That's a compromise between my brain and my taste buds.
> >>
> >
> >
> >Has anyone ever told you that fish are alive and they are killed before
> >you can eat them?
>
> I'd be a better person if I also didn't eat fish.

Yes, I'm sure the Devil made you do it. Ahahahahahahahahhhhaahhaha

If you're going to raise a pig to eat don't give it a name.

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:56:03 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> If you're going to raise a pig to eat don't give it a name.

This sounds like it would be good advice but I don't really know what it's like to raise a cute baby animal and then kill it for some super nice chops!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYZYS7DZrcc

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 07:12:06 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-04-22 1:49 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>>
>>
>> I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
>> slaughterhouse.
>>
>Or a kosher one!!!!!

Yes, torturing animals for religious reasons should be banned.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:46:39 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 7:28:25 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/22/2017 1:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
>> >> slaughterhouse.
>> >>
>> >> ===
>> >>
>> >> See he
>> >>
>> >> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>> >
>> > My neighbor would kill the pigs he raised by getting down to their level and holding them against his body to get them calm and comfortable and stabbing them in the neck. He said they went down without distress. That was kind of him.
>> >
>>
>> Yeah right. Dream on. How about your wife lays down next to you in bed
>> and stabs you in the neck. Is that a good death? Would you go down
>> without distress? Would that be kind of her?
>
>You forget one small detail. Humans don't routinely kill and eat other humans on a massive scale. At least, I don't. Do you?

That's no answer to the question.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:50:07 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:45:50 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> > "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>> >
>> >
>> > I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
>> > slaughterhouse.
>> >
>> > ===
>> >
>> > See he
>> >
>> > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>>
>> My neighbor would kill the pigs he raised by getting down to their level and
>> holding them against his body to get them calm and comfortable and stabbing
>> them in the neck. He said they went down without distress. That was kind of
>> him.
>>
>>
>> ===
>>
>> It most certainly was!
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
>The sense I got from these small scale pig farmers was that they had a genuine affection for their animals. He did not slash the pig's throat - just a short, quick, jab.

If you love an animal, you don't kill it. Simple.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 03:57:19 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:12:19 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 17:06:08 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On 2017-04-21 3:58 PM, wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 10:33:08 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>> >>>> I'll use a 12 ga 1.25 oz at 1220 with no 6 shot to turkey hunt with, smaller tighter pattern than a 1.25 at 1330. I do have some fed flight control 1.5 no 4 at 1315 tho.
>> >>>
>> >>> We don't have wild turkeys as we are too far north. I would probably use No. 4 or even No. 2 for killing power as that is what I use on wild geese. That is
>> >>> using 3" - 12 gauge ammo.
>> >>
>> >> My 12 ga. is only for clay pigeons or criminals, never critters.
>> >> Anyone who thinks murdering wild critters is something to boast about
>> >> is a sicko COWARD!
>> >>
>> >
>> >You're right of course. It is morally superior to have someone else
>> >kill your meat for you.
>>
>> The meat at market never lived wild and free.
>
>"Free" is a concept that applies only to humans. Wild animals live
>in a constant state of stress. You've watched too many Disney
>movies.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

That's why you're full of phantasy.

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 10:05:04 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:50:07 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1ahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:45:50 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> "dsi1" wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>
> >> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> >> > "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
> >> > slaughterhouse.
> >> >
> >> > ===
> >> >
> >> > See he
> >> >
> >> > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> >>
> >> My neighbor would kill the pigs he raised by getting down to their level and
> >> holding them against his body to get them calm and comfortable and stabbing
> >> them in the neck. He said they went down without distress. That was kind of
> >> him.
> >>
> >>
> >> ===
> >>
> >> It most certainly was!
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
> >
> >The sense I got from these small scale pig farmers was that they had a genuine affection for their animals. He did not slash the pig's throat - just a short, quick, jab.
>
> If you love an animal, you don't kill it. Simple.

I like animals and I don't kill them. What's your point? As far as other people goes, my guess is that they also like money and/or meat so it's just a matter of what you like more. Simple.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 15:19:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 10:05:04 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 11:50:07 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1ahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:45:50 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> "dsi1" wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >>
>> >> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> >> > "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
>> >> > slaughterhouse.
>> >> >
>> >> > ===
>> >> >
>> >> > See he
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>> >>
>> >> My neighbor would kill the pigs he raised by getting down to their level and
>> >> holding them against his body to get them calm and comfortable and stabbing
>> >> them in the neck. He said they went down without distress. That was kind of
>> >> him.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ===
>> >>
>> >> It most certainly was!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>> >
>> >The sense I got from these small scale pig farmers was that they had a genuine affection for their animals. He did not slash the pig's throat - just a short, quick, jab.
>>
>> If you love an animal, you don't kill it. Simple.
>
>I like animals and I don't kill them. What's your point? As far as other people goes, my guess is that they also like money and/or meat so it's just a matter of what you like more. Simple.

You don't kill what you love. Maybe you "like" the animal, but "love"
the taste of meat. Fine. Just don't say you "love" the animal.

On 4/22/2017 1:28 PM, Gary wrote:
> On 4/22/2017 1:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>
>>> I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
>>> slaughterhouse.
>>>
>>> ===
>>>
>>> See he
>>>
>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>>
>> My neighbor would kill the pigs he raised by getting down to their
>> level and holding them against his body to get them calm and
>> comfortable and stabbing them in the neck. He said they went down
>> without distress. That was kind of him.
>>
>
> Yeah right. Dream on. How about your wife lays down next to you in bed
> and stabs you in the neck. Is that a good death? Would you go down
> without distress? Would that be kind of her?
>
>

It makes a difference in the quality of the meat. Distressed animals
get hormones going that can make it tougher. Local slaughterhouse here
won't kill a pig eight after delivery for that reason. They let it calm
down a while.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:31:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/22/2017 1:28 PM, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/22/2017 1:22 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Friday, April 21, 2017 at 9:49:17 PM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>>> "Ophelia" wrote in message ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would rather shoot meat for myself than have them suffer in a Halal
>>>> slaughterhouse.
>>>>
>>>> ===
>>>>
>>>> See he
>>>>
>>>> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10019467.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>>>
>>> My neighbor would kill the pigs he raised by getting down to their
>>> level and holding them against his body to get them calm and
>>> comfortable and stabbing them in the neck. He said they went down
>>> without distress. That was kind of him.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah right. Dream on. How about your wife lays down next to you in bed
>> and stabs you in the neck. Is that a good death? Would you go down
>> without distress? Would that be kind of her?
>>
>>
>
>It makes a difference in the quality of the meat. Distressed animals
>get hormones going that can make it tougher. Local slaughterhouse here
>won't kill a pig eight after delivery for that reason. They let it calm
>down a while.

That's sweet of them.

On 4/22/2017 4:04 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>
>> The sense I got from these small scale pig farmers was that they had a genuine affection for their animals. He did not slash the pig's throat - just a short, quick, jab.
>
> If you love an animal, you don't kill it. Simple.
>

You can have quite a discussion about the ethics of killing animals and
justification of eating or not eating meat.

First, no animal should be abused in the wild or on a farm or ranch.

In the wild, at times animals will starve from lack of food. it is
better to let them starve and suffer or to kill them quickly and then
eat them?

There is a food chain. Birds eat bugs and worms, cats eat birds,
alligators eat cats and up the line in various trails. Given that
nature requires that some animals eat others to survive, should humans
eat others in the chain?

Some societies eat dogs and cats. If an animal shelter has to euthanize
animals should they be offered as food? If not for humans, for other
animals?

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:46:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>There is a food chain. Birds eat bugs and worms, cats eat birds,
>alligators eat cats and up the line in various trails. Given that
>nature requires that some animals eat others to survive, should humans
>eat others in the chain?

Animals shit in the woods. Should humans do that too?

On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 5:54:45 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:46:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >There is a food chain. Birds eat bugs and worms, cats eat birds,
> >alligators eat cats and up the line in various trails. Given that
> >nature requires that some animals eat others to survive, should humans
> >eat others in the chain?
>
> Animals shit in the woods. Should humans do that too?

I would guess that you have never "roughed it" in the woods or you'd know
the answer to that question.

On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:00:58 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 5:54:45 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:46:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >There is a food chain. Birds eat bugs and worms, cats eat birds,
>> >alligators eat cats and up the line in various trails. Given that
>> >nature requires that some animals eat others to survive, should humans
>> >eat others in the chain?
>>
>> Animals shit in the woods. Should humans do that too?
>
>I would guess that you have never "roughed it" in the woods or you'd know
>the answer to that question.

Sorry, the answer is no.

On 4/22/2017 7:54 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2017 19:46:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> There is a food chain. Birds eat bugs and worms, cats eat birds,
>> alligators eat cats and up the line in various trails. Given that
>> nature requires that some animals eat others to survive, should humans
>> eat others in the chain?
>
> Animals shit in the woods. Should humans do that too?
>

When necessary, I have.