On 2017-04-26 4:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Bruce wrote:

>
> I think they tried that once. Made a few people rich too.
>
> Never used marijuana so I don't know how addictive it is but alcohol in
> moderation is OK, but it is often abused.
>
> My concern about legalization is adding some more impaired drivers to
> the roads. I don't think people should do serious jail time for a couple
> of joints though.

I hate to break it to you but there have been a lot of people driving
under the influence of pot for close to 50 years, and it has never been
the problem that alcohol is, and is not as bad as cell phones and
texting. Meanwhile, we have people zonked on prescription medication,
antihistamines, pain killers, cold medication and from the effects of
old age, illness. Heck, if we can hook up a car to be driven by a
person in a wheel chair and under the influence of variety of
medications, how serious are we about impairment in general?

On 2017-04-26 4:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Bruce wrote:

>
> I think they tried that once. Made a few people rich too.
>
> Never used marijuana so I don't know how addictive it is but alcohol in
> moderation is OK, but it is often abused.

I know lots of people who smoked it for years. Most of them eventually
tired of it and stopped. They include doctors, lawyers, politicians,
dentists.



> My concern about legalization is adding some more impaired drivers to
> the roads. I don't think people should do serious jail time for a couple
> of joints though.

They are talking legalization, but not allowing driving under the
influence.

On 2017-04-26 5:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 4/26/2017 2:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-04-26 2:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 4/26/2017 10:08 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> them.
>>>
>>> You really don't want your neighbors to see you grow herb.
>>
>>
>> There is a place on the next road over from me that is almost ready tp
>> get going and everyone around here knows that they are going to be
>> growing. They are almost finished putting up the 5 acres of greenhouses
>> for their medical marijuana operation. I wonder if it will still be
>> medical marijuana after pot is legalized here next year.
>
> Interesting. I wonder what kind of security places like that have,
> legal or not.

There is a fence with barbed wire, a big gate, security cameras.

I am waiting for the community open house and free samples ;-)

On 2017-04-26 1:35 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:19:31 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-04-26 12:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-04-26 2:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 4/26/2017 10:08 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> You really don't want your neighbors to see you grow herb.
>>>
>>>
>>> There is a place on the next road over from me that is almost ready tp
>>> get going and everyone around here knows that they are going to be
>>> growing. They are almost finished putting up the 5 acres of greenhouses
>>> for their medical marijuana operation. I wonder if it will still be
>>> medical marijuana after pot is legalized here next year.
>>>
>>>
>> It has always struck me that the majority of those asking for medical
>> marijuana are already potheads and their reasons for wanting it
>> spurious. Note that they never want it in alternative forms, always to
>> smoke.
>
> I used to grow it for David, he discovered it eased his pain
> considerably. We lived in an old house downtown and the best place
> was on the dining room table. I came home one day and found him at
> the dining table chatting to a cop, apparently this cop had brought
> him home after the car was hit by a couple of teens in a stolen car.
> Gave me a fright, the cop must have recognised the plants but said
> nothing as he could see why we were growing it. We had both given up
> smoking by then but I used to make happy brownies for him
>
> I think we will have problems with drivers under the influence - but
> they are working on that - and clearly kids under 20 should not
> indulge too freely. As for kids in homes where too much smoking
> goes on, I can't think that will be good for them. OTOH taking it out
> of criminal hands is a good move, so we shall see.
>
That's fine but a lot of these potheads insist that the only way for
them is to smoke it.

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:09:58 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-04-26 1:35 PM, wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:19:31 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> It has always struck me that the majority of those asking for medical
>>> marijuana are already potheads and their reasons for wanting it
>>> spurious. Note that they never want it in alternative forms, always to
>>> smoke.
>>
>> I used to grow it for David, he discovered it eased his pain
>> considerably. We lived in an old house downtown and the best place
>> was on the dining room table. I came home one day and found him at
>> the dining table chatting to a cop, apparently this cop had brought
>> him home after the car was hit by a couple of teens in a stolen car.
>> Gave me a fright, the cop must have recognised the plants but said
>> nothing as he could see why we were growing it. We had both given up
>> smoking by then but I used to make happy brownies for him
>>
>> I think we will have problems with drivers under the influence - but
>> they are working on that - and clearly kids under 20 should not
>> indulge too freely. As for kids in homes where too much smoking
>> goes on, I can't think that will be good for them. OTOH taking it out
>> of criminal hands is a good move, so we shall see.
>>
>That's fine but a lot of these potheads insist that the only way for
>them is to smoke it.

Why "potheads"? Do you call wine drinkers "alcoholics"? Also, what
does it matter if they smoke it or use it as a suppository?

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:04:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-26 4:47 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/26/2017 4:04 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>
>> I think they tried that once. Made a few people rich too.
>>
>> Never used marijuana so I don't know how addictive it is but alcohol in
>> moderation is OK, but it is often abused.
>>
>> My concern about legalization is adding some more impaired drivers to
>> the roads. I don't think people should do serious jail time for a couple
>> of joints though.
>
>I hate to break it to you but there have been a lot of people driving
>under the influence of pot for close to 50 years, and it has never been
>the problem that alcohol is, and is not as bad as cell phones and
>texting.

Where I live, I always hear about accidents due to driving under the
influence of alcohol or ice, but never pot. Maybe pot smokers stay
home and watch silly TV programs whilst mouth breathing?

On 2017-04-26 5:39 PM, wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 16:47:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>

>> My concern about legalization is adding some more impaired drivers to
>> the roads. I don't think people should do serious jail time for a couple
>> of joints though.
>
> The cops are busy working on it here, looks like it will probably be
> giving a mouth swab, like blowing into the machine currently for
> alcohol. They are however aware that driving under the influence of
> mj is every bit as bad as booze.

I don't think that they are the same at all, but it seems they have come
up with an arbitrary figure, like they did for alcohol. I say arbitrary
for a reason. The BAC limit is supposed to be an empirically derived
number based on studies that show where the average person is
intoxicated. It varies from one jurisdiction to another. Here in
Ontario the legal BAC was 0.08, but when the number of charges dropped
they came up with a 0.05 for an automatic 24 hour suspension... but no
charge.

On 2017-04-26 6:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:54:12 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-04-26 3:32 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:19:31 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2017-04-26 12:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2017-04-26 2:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/26/2017 10:08 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You really don't want your neighbors to see you grow herb.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a place on the next road over from me that is almost ready tp
>>>>> get going and everyone around here knows that they are going to be
>>>>> growing. They are almost finished putting up the 5 acres of greenhouses
>>>>> for their medical marijuana operation. I wonder if it will still be
>>>>> medical marijuana after pot is legalized here next year.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It has always struck me that the majority of those asking for medical
>>>> marijuana are already potheads and their reasons for wanting it
>>>> spurious. Note that they never want it in alternative forms, always to
>>>> smoke.
>>>
>>> You can buy 5 bottles of whiskey and drink yourself to death, so pot
>>> should be legal too. You can't kill yourself by smoking 10 joints.
>>>
>>
>> Alcohol is far more dangerous than pot. It doesn't cause the physical,
>> medical, social, financial, criminal and family problems that alcohol
>> does. It is not addictive.
>
> I think they're comparable. I've known quite a few pot addicts. One
> thing in favour of pot is that it doesn't make people aggressive the
> way alcohol can.
>

I knew a lot of pot smokers. They were habitual smokers, not addicts.

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:57:58 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>I knew a lot of pot smokers. They were habitual smokers, not addicts.

I know a few lifelong addicts.

On 4/26/2017 6:08 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-26 5:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 4/26/2017 2:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>>> There is a place on the next road over from me that is almost ready tp
>>> get going and everyone around here knows that they are going to be
>>> growing. They are almost finished putting up the 5 acres of greenhouses
>>> for their medical marijuana operation. I wonder if it will still be
>>> medical marijuana after pot is legalized here next year.
>>
>> Interesting. I wonder what kind of security places like that have,
>> legal or not.
>
> There is a fence with barbed wire, a big gate, security cameras.
>
> I am waiting for the community open house and free samples ;-)

(laugh) Like a wine tasting. Paired with munchies.

nancy

On 2017-04-26 6:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:57:58 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> I knew a lot of pot smokers. They were habitual smokers, not addicts.
>
> I know a few lifelong addicts.
>


There is a big difference between a habit or vice and an addiction. I
find it hard to believe that it is physically addictive when I know so
many long time pot smokers who got bored with it and simply stopped
doing it. No cold turkey, no therapy, no rehab... they just stopped.

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 21:00:33 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-26 6:59 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:57:58 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I knew a lot of pot smokers. They were habitual smokers, not addicts.
>>
>> I know a few lifelong addicts.
>>
>
>
>There is a big difference between a habit or vice and an addiction. I
>find it hard to believe that it is physically addictive when I know so
>many long time pot smokers who got bored with it and simply stopped
>doing it. No cold turkey, no therapy, no rehab... they just stopped.

Maybe it's a psychological addiction, not so much a physical one, but
the effect is the same. I'm not saying that all pot smokers are
addicts either. Nothing wrong with recreational use of pot or alcohol,
in my opinion, but they can both get out of hand.

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:36:42 -0700 (PDT), "The Greatest!"
> wrote:

wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 12:58:17 -0700 (PDT), "The Greatest!"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 13:19:31 -0600, graham > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 2017-04-26 12:32 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> >> On 2017-04-26 2:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> >> >>> On 4/26/2017 10:08 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> >> them.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You really don't want your neighbors to see you grow herb.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is a place on the next road over from me that is almost ready tp
>> >> >> get going and everyone around here knows that they are going to be
>> >> >> growing. They are almost finished putting up the 5 acres of greenhouses
>> >> >> for their medical marijuana operation. I wonder if it will still be
>> >> >> medical marijuana after pot is legalized here next year.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >It has always struck me that the majority of those asking for medical
>> >> >marijuana are already potheads and their reasons for wanting it
>> >> >spurious. Note that they never want it in alternative forms, always to
>> >> >smoke.
>> >>
>> >> I used to grow it for David, he discovered it eased his pain
>> >> considerably. We lived in an old house downtown and the best place
>> >> was on the dining room table. I came home one day and found him at
>> >> the dining table chatting to a cop, apparently this cop had brought
>> >> him home after the car was hit by a couple of teens in a stolen car.
>> >> Gave me a fright, the cop must have recognised the plants but said
>> >> nothing as he could see why we were growing it. We had both given up
>> >> smoking by then but I used to make happy brownies for him
>> >
>> >
>> >> I think we will have problems with drivers under the influence - but
>> >> they are working on that - and clearly kids under 20 should not
>> >> indulge too freely. As for kids in homes where too much smoking
>> >> goes on, I can't think that will be good for them. OTOH taking it out
>> >> of criminal hands is a good move, so we shall see.
>> >
>> >
>> >I mentioned in my previous reply to Graham about my former friend. He was always arguing that "Pot does NOT affect driving ability!" Sorry, I disagree, someone driving under the influence of pot is just the same as someone driving whilst intoxicated. ISTR reading about breathalyzer - type devices that are being developed for detecting pot, when the highway police get those "the jig will be up" for pot - impaired drivers...
>> >
>> >As I put it to him, "You would not be allowed to operate heavy machinery on a construction site when you've smoked pot...a vehicle is heavy machinery, so you should not be driving a car, either..."
>> >
>> ><shrug/>
>>
>> I don't know about your friend but I do know it brought relief to
>> David, he said better than the percoset he had been prescribed.
>
>
>I've absolutely no quibbles about someone easing intense and chronic pain, especially during end - stage cancer, etc....
>
>
>> I do also know a man imd-40s who has indulged since his early 20s, a
>> marvellous brain wasted due to the inertia it created in him.
>
>
>The problem with pot is that it can become a "lifestyle" - as can of course other substances

Yes, like alcohol, which isn't illegal.

> - the regular users I know are pretty useless in general - when they could be functioning.

Again, like alcohol.

"graham" > wrote in message
news
> It has always struck me that the majority of those asking for medical
> marijuana are already potheads and their reasons for wanting it spurious.
> Note that they never want it in alternative forms, always to smoke.



I don't know about the majority, but I do not want to smoke it, ever.
However, the salve is very helpful for serious aches and pains and beats the
heck out of Vicodin etc, also a friend that has cancer buys something that
looks like an energy bar and eats bits of it at a time, it helps greatly.

Cheri

On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 3:15:44 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "graham" > wrote in message
> news >
> > It has always struck me that the majority of those asking for medical
> > marijuana are already potheads and their reasons for wanting it spurious.
> > Note that they never want it in alternative forms, always to smoke.
>
>
>
> I don't know about the majority, but I do not want to smoke it, ever.
> However, the salve is very helpful for serious aches and pains and beats the
> heck out of Vicodin etc, also a friend that has cancer buys something that
> looks like an energy bar and eats bits of it at a time, it helps greatly.
>
> Cheri

We gave my mother-in-law THC pills to increase her appetite. It worked great! Unfortunately it made her loopy so we had to stop.

On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 22:32:09 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 3:15:44 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> "graham" > wrote in message
>> news >>
>> > It has always struck me that the majority of those asking for medical
>> > marijuana are already potheads and their reasons for wanting it spurious.
>> > Note that they never want it in alternative forms, always to smoke.
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know about the majority, but I do not want to smoke it, ever.
>> However, the salve is very helpful for serious aches and pains and beats the
>> heck out of Vicodin etc, also a friend that has cancer buys something that
>> looks like an energy bar and eats bits of it at a time, it helps greatly.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>We gave my mother-in-law THC pills to increase her appetite. It worked great! Unfortunately it made her loopy so we had to stop.

That was probably caused by the food you gave her.

On 2017-04-26, > wrote:

> Yes thats where I have concerns about small kids - they wouldn't know
> the difference.

Like all the other chemicals under yer kitchen sink or in yer medicine
cabinet?

nb

On 27 Apr 2017 12:29:48 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2017-04-26, > wrote:
>
>> Yes thats where I have concerns about small kids - they wouldn't know
>> the difference.
>
>Like all the other chemicals under yer kitchen sink or in yer medicine
>cabinet?
>
>nb

hopefully most parents are aware of those dangers but a mj laden
cookie would be most attractive to a child and it would see no reason
not to eat it. As I understand it, there is plenty of concern about
the effects on a brain still under construction, as it would be too
with alcohol.

Anyway, I think it probably is good to de-regulate, thinking of how
well prohibition of alcohol worked, but we need to educate and have
some control over it, such as driving under the influence.

Cheri wrote:

> "graham" > wrote in message
> news >
> > It has always struck me that the majority of those asking for medical
> > marijuana are already potheads and their reasons for wanting it spurious.
> > Note that they never want it in alternative forms, always to smoke.
>
>
>
> I don't know about the majority, but I do not want to smoke it, ever.


Yup...I HATE HATE HATE smoking, so another reason I abhor joints. And that pot STENCH is vulgar and disgusting...YUK...!!!



> However, the salve is very helpful for serious aches and pains and beats the
> heck out of Vicodin etc, also a friend that has cancer buys something that
> looks like an energy bar and eats bits of it at a time, it helps greatly.


That is good...also, Vicodin and other opioids cause severe constipation, AFAIK mj does not do that.


--
Best
Greg

wrote:
>
> Anyway, I think it probably is good to de-regulate, thinking of how
> well prohibition of alcohol worked, but we need to educate and have
> some control over it, such as driving under the influence.

Prohibition worked? This is how Joe Kennedy Sr. made his
fortune. He was a drug runner.

On 2017-04-27 10:05 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, I think it probably is good to de-regulate, thinking of how
>> well prohibition of alcohol worked, but we need to educate and have
>> some control over it, such as driving under the influence.
>
> Prohibition worked? This is how Joe Kennedy Sr. made his
> fortune. He was a drug runner.

I assumed there was some sarcasm in the comment about how well
Prohibition worked. It didn't do much to stop people from drinking, and
it created a black market that became profitable enough to lead to a lot
of violence. The government was spending a lot of money to try to
removed alcohol from our society and mobsters were getting rich. I guess
they figured that they could regulate the production and sale of alcohol
and get the money themselves.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 10:05:47 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> Anyway, I think it probably is good to de-regulate, thinking of how
>> well prohibition of alcohol worked, but we need to educate and have
>> some control over it, such as driving under the influence.
>
>Prohibition worked? This is how Joe Kennedy Sr. made his
>fortune. He was a drug runner.

there isn't an emoticon for sarcasm

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 10:22:01 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-27 10:05 AM, Gary wrote:
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyway, I think it probably is good to de-regulate, thinking of how
>>> well prohibition of alcohol worked, but we need to educate and have
>>> some control over it, such as driving under the influence.
>>
>> Prohibition worked? This is how Joe Kennedy Sr. made his
>> fortune. He was a drug runner.
>
>I assumed there was some sarcasm in the comment about how well
>Prohibition worked. It didn't do much to stop people from drinking, and
>it created a black market that became profitable enough to lead to a lot
>of violence. The government was spending a lot of money to try to
>removed alcohol from our society and mobsters were getting rich. I guess
>they figured that they could regulate the production and sale of alcohol
>and get the money themselves.


Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc

Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2017-04-26 4:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:23:20 -0300, wrote:
> >
> >> I do also know a man imd-40s who has indulged since his early 20s, a
> >> marvellous brain wasted due to the inertia it created in him.
> >
> > I bet you also know someone who enjoys alcohol in a sensible way and
> > someone who's an alcoholic.
> >
>
> I went to university in the 1970s and just about everyone smoked pot.

Cannabis then was far weaker than it is today

Janet UK

On 4/27/2017 2:05 PM, wrote:

>
> Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
> make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
> but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>
> Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
> stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
> time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>

I've watched a few episodes of Moonshiners on History channel Seems
they are getting $100 or so a gallon. To me, that is a pretty high
price compared to good aged liquor from legitimate stores.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 19:55:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> On 2017-04-26 4:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> > On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:23:20 -0300, wrote:
>> >
>> >> I do also know a man imd-40s who has indulged since his early 20s, a
>> >> marvellous brain wasted due to the inertia it created in him.
>> >
>> > I bet you also know someone who enjoys alcohol in a sensible way and
>> > someone who's an alcoholic.
>> >
>>
>> I went to university in the 1970s and just about everyone smoked pot.
>
> Cannabis then was far weaker than it is today

So they smoked 2 joints instead of one.

On 2017-04-27 2:55 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 2017-04-26 4:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:23:20 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do also know a man imd-40s who has indulged since his early 20s, a
>>>> marvellous brain wasted due to the inertia it created in him.
>>>
>>> I bet you also know someone who enjoys alcohol in a sensible way and
>>> someone who's an alcoholic.
>>>
>>
>> I went to university in the 1970s and just about everyone smoked pot.
>
> Cannabis then was far weaker than it is today


So I hear. I have not smoked it in many years. I am all in favour of
legalizing it, but I won't be rushing out to get any.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 10:22:01 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2017-04-27 10:05 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I think it probably is good to de-regulate, thinking of how
>>>> well prohibition of alcohol worked, but we need to educate and have
>>>> some control over it, such as driving under the influence.
>>>
>>> Prohibition worked? This is how Joe Kennedy Sr. made his
>>> fortune. He was a drug runner.
>>
>>I assumed there was some sarcasm in the comment about how well
>>Prohibition worked. It didn't do much to stop people from drinking, and
>>it created a black market that became profitable enough to lead to a lot
>>of violence. The government was spending a lot of money to try to
>>removed alcohol from our society and mobsters were getting rich. I guess
>>they figured that they could regulate the production and sale of alcohol
>>and get the money themselves.
>
>
>Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>
>Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.

I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
as or lower than other countries up to that point.
Janet US

On 2017-04-27 2:57 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I've watched a few episodes of Moonshiners on History channel Seems
> they are getting $100 or so a gallon. To me, that is a pretty high
> price compared to good aged liquor from legitimate stores.


I suppose that is because you have good taste and appreciate good
liquor. Some people just want to get drunk, and most people drown their
liquor in soft drinks to mask the taste and the bite. Moonshine is
usually very portent, like 150 proof. A 40 oz bottle of liquor sells
for about $40, so $160 per gallon. Moonshine is 80% stronger. So now we
are hitting close to $ 240 per gallon in equivalent alcohol content.
That means that anyone looking to get a cheap drunk on fast is paying
less than half what they would for the decent stuff.

On 2017-04-27 3:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 19:55:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 2017-04-26 4:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:23:20 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do also know a man imd-40s who has indulged since his early 20s, a
>>>>> marvellous brain wasted due to the inertia it created in him.
>>>>
>>>> I bet you also know someone who enjoys alcohol in a sensible way and
>>>> someone who's an alcoholic.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I went to university in the 1970s and just about everyone smoked pot.
>>
>> Cannabis then was far weaker than it is today
>
> So they smoked 2 joints instead of one.
>

Sure. It was only $25 - $30 per ounce.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 14:57:43 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/27/2017 2:05 PM, wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>> make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>> but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>
>> Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>> stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>> time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>>
>
>I've watched a few episodes of Moonshiners on History channel Seems
>they are getting $100 or so a gallon. To me, that is a pretty high
>price compared to good aged liquor from legitimate stores.

I was paying $25 for a 40ozer of rum. It was excellent rum and rather
like making wine at home required diligence over cleanliness and
attention to detail. He showed me how it all worked - actually quite
interesting.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:26:34 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-27 3:00 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 19:55:42 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-04-26 4:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:23:20 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do also know a man imd-40s who has indulged since his early 20s, a
>>>>>> marvellous brain wasted due to the inertia it created in him.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet you also know someone who enjoys alcohol in a sensible way and
>>>>> someone who's an alcoholic.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I went to university in the 1970s and just about everyone smoked pot.
>>>
>>> Cannabis then was far weaker than it is today
>>
>> So they smoked 2 joints instead of one.
>>
>
>Sure. It was only $25 - $30 per ounce.

You guys didn't grow your own?

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:13:02 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-27 2:55 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 2017-04-26 4:35 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 26 Apr 2017 17:23:20 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do also know a man imd-40s who has indulged since his early 20s, a
>>>>> marvellous brain wasted due to the inertia it created in him.
>>>>
>>>> I bet you also know someone who enjoys alcohol in a sensible way and
>>>> someone who's an alcoholic.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I went to university in the 1970s and just about everyone smoked pot.
>>
>> Cannabis then was far weaker than it is today
>
>
>So I hear. I have not smoked it in many years. I am all in favour of
>legalizing it, but I won't be rushing out to get any.

Me the same. I'll have a glas of wine instead.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 10:22:01 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2017-04-27 10:05 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I think it probably is good to de-regulate, thinking of how
>>>>> well prohibition of alcohol worked, but we need to educate and have
>>>>> some control over it, such as driving under the influence.
>>>>
>>>> Prohibition worked? This is how Joe Kennedy Sr. made his
>>>> fortune. He was a drug runner.
>>>
>>>I assumed there was some sarcasm in the comment about how well
>>>Prohibition worked. It didn't do much to stop people from drinking, and
>>>it created a black market that became profitable enough to lead to a lot
>>>of violence. The government was spending a lot of money to try to
>>>removed alcohol from our society and mobsters were getting rich. I guess
>>>they figured that they could regulate the production and sale of alcohol
>>>and get the money themselves.
>>
>>
>>Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>>make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>>but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>
>>Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>>stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>>time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>
>I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
>the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
>as or lower than other countries up to that point.
>Janet US

Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:30:57 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>>>make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>>>but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>>
>>>Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>>>stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>>>time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>>
>>I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
>>the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
>>as or lower than other countries up to that point.
>>Janet US
>
>Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
>possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
>personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
>'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through
>

I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
(meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.

On 2017-04-27 4:03 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:30:57 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>>>> make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>>>> but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>>>
>>>> Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>>>> stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>>>> time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>>>
>>> I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
>>> the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
>>> as or lower than other countries up to that point.
>>> Janet US
>>
>> Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
>> possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
>> personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
>> 'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through
>>
>
> I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
> (meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.

One of the big problems here is addiction to prescription pain killers.
I am sure they all want us to think their addiction developed from
legitimate pain treatment, but most of the ones I have known had no
medical situations that required that much medication. They liked to
party with it. It was bad enough when they were abusing oxy, but now
they are into Fentanyl, and a lot of other drugs are being laced with
Fentanyl and people are ODing on the stuff at alarming rates.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:03:09 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:30:57 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>>>>make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>>>>but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>>>
>>>>Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>>>>stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>>>>time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>>>
>>>I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
>>>the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
>>>as or lower than other countries up to that point.
>>>Janet US
>>
>>Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
>>possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
>>personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
>>'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through
>>
>
>I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
>(meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.

Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
antidote freely seems a better bargain.

On 2017-04-27 5:21 PM, wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:03:09 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:30:57 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>>>>> make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>>>>> but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>>>>
>>>>> Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>>>>> stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>>>>> time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>>>>
>>>> I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
>>>> the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
>>>> as or lower than other countries up to that point.
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
>>> possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
>>> personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
>>> 'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through
>>>
>>
>> I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
>> (meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.
>
> Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
> antidote freely seems a better bargain.

Sure, but charge them for the antidote. A couple weeks ago I watched a
news report and they interviewed a young woman about safe injection
sites and the need to have the antidote on hand. She spoke from
experience, having OD'ed a dozen times. If they can afford the money for
the drugs they are ODing on they should be able to afford to pay for the
antidote.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 17:06:30 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-27 4:03 PM, Bruce wrote:

>> I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
>> (meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.
>
>One of the big problems here is addiction to prescription pain killers.
>I am sure they all want us to think their addiction developed from
>legitimate pain treatment, but most of the ones I have known had no
>medical situations that required that much medication. They liked to
>party with it. It was bad enough when they were abusing oxy, but now
>they are into Fentanyl, and a lot of other drugs are being laced with
>Fentanyl and people are ODing on the stuff at alarming rates.

I haven't heard about that problem yet, but I guess it could be
happening. I wonder what the fun of prescription pain killers is,
never having taken one yet.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 18:21:18 -0300, wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:03:09 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:30:57 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>>>>>make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>>>>>but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>>>>
>>>>>Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>>>>>stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>>>>>time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>>>>
>>>>I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
>>>>the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
>>>>as or lower than other countries up to that point.
>>>>Janet US
>>>
>>>Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
>>>possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
>>>personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
>>>'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through
>>>
>>
>>I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
>>(meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.
>
>Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
>antidote freely seems a better bargain.

I don't know what that is. A pain killer, I guess.