On 2017-04-27 5:47 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 17:06:30 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>> It was bad enough when they were abusing oxy, but now
>> they are into Fentanyl, and a lot of other drugs are being laced with
>> Fentanyl and people are ODing on the stuff at alarming rates.
>
> I haven't heard about that problem yet, but I guess it could be
> happening. I wonder what the fun of prescription pain killers is,
> never having taken one yet.

I have most certainly heard people talking about the great drugs they
had in the hospital or that they were prescribed after some problem or
procedure. I took lots of oxycontin over two months when I had a broken
collar bone. It certainly took the edge of the pain but it wasn't great
being half in the bag under that stuff most of the time. I was pumped
full of powerful painkillers after my chest had been ripped open for
hear surgery and had opioids prescribed when I went home. I stopped
taking them as soon as I could. They did relieve the pain, the side
effects were bad enough that it was easier to tolerate the pain.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 18:16:23 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-27 5:47 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 17:06:30 -0400, Dave Smith
>>
>>> It was bad enough when they were abusing oxy, but now
>>> they are into Fentanyl, and a lot of other drugs are being laced with
>>> Fentanyl and people are ODing on the stuff at alarming rates.
>>
>> I haven't heard about that problem yet, but I guess it could be
>> happening. I wonder what the fun of prescription pain killers is,
>> never having taken one yet.
>
>I have most certainly heard people talking about the great drugs they
>had in the hospital or that they were prescribed after some problem or
>procedure. I took lots of oxycontin over two months when I had a broken
>collar bone. It certainly took the edge of the pain but it wasn't great
>being half in the bag under that stuff most of the time. I was pumped
>full of powerful painkillers after my chest had been ripped open for
>hear surgery and had opioids prescribed when I went home. I stopped
>taking them as soon as I could. They did relieve the pain, the side
>effects were bad enough that it was easier to tolerate the pain.

I guess they made you want to watch daytime TV and reality shows.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:47:17 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 17:06:30 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2017-04-27 4:03 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>> I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
>>> (meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.
>>
>>One of the big problems here is addiction to prescription pain killers.
>>I am sure they all want us to think their addiction developed from
>>legitimate pain treatment, but most of the ones I have known had no
>>medical situations that required that much medication. They liked to
>>party with it. It was bad enough when they were abusing oxy, but now
>>they are into Fentanyl, and a lot of other drugs are being laced with
>>Fentanyl and people are ODing on the stuff at alarming rates.
>
>I haven't heard about that problem yet, but I guess it could be
>happening. I wonder what the fun of prescription pain killers is,
>never having taken one yet.

I certainly don't get it - my file is now marked 'no pain killers'
they make me ill, the strongest I can take is Tylenol 3, the one with
codeine. I feel they are prescribed way too quickly here, people seem
to be wimps and don't expect to feel the slightest twinge. When I had
my left hand done I came home with a prescription - it was for
oxycontin - when it registered with me I couldn't figure it. So yes,
I can well believe young people with sports injuries perhaps do get
given too much pain relief and trouble ensues. .

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:50:10 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 18:21:18 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:03:09 +1000, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:30:57 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>>>>>>make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>>>>>>but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>>>>>>stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>>>>>>time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
>>>>>the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
>>>>>as or lower than other countries up to that point.
>>>>>Janet US
>>>>
>>>>Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
>>>>possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
>>>>personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
>>>>'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through
>>>>
>>>
>>>I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
>>>(meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.
>>
>>Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
>>antidote freely seems a better bargain.
>
>I don't know what that is. A pain killer, I guess.

I think it was a legal drug originally but it is now made illegally.
As it is so strong it comes in from China in an envelope and is then
made into pills. The problem arises because when you take one you
have no way of knowing how much fentanyl it contains. If your luck
failed it contains too much and you will die. There is an anti dote
which can be given with good results, given the person is found in
time. It boggles my mind that people take it given it's really like
Russian Roulette, but I suppose when you are totally addicted...

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:56:35 -0300, wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:50:10 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 18:21:18 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:03:09 +1000, Bruce >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:30:57 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>>>>>>>make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>>>>>>>but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>>>>>>>stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>>>>>>>time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
>>>>>>the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
>>>>>>as or lower than other countries up to that point.
>>>>>>Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>>Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
>>>>>possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
>>>>>personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
>>>>>'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
>>>>(meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.
>>>
>>>Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
>>>antidote freely seems a better bargain.
>>
>>I don't know what that is. A pain killer, I guess.
>
>I think it was a legal drug originally but it is now made illegally.
>As it is so strong it comes in from China in an envelope and is then
>made into pills. The problem arises because when you take one you
>have no way of knowing how much fentanyl it contains. If your luck
>failed it contains too much and you will die. There is an anti dote
>which can be given with good results, given the person is found in
>time. It boggles my mind that people take it given it's really like
>Russian Roulette, but I suppose when you are totally addicted...

Maybe this drug hasn't made it to the Australian countryside yet.
Sounds bad.

On 4/27/2017 5:27 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-27 5:21 PM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:03:09 +1000, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:30:57 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>>>>>> make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>>>>>> but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>>>>>> stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>>>>>> time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
>>>>> the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
>>>>> as or lower than other countries up to that point.
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>> Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
>>>> possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
>>>> personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
>>>> 'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through
>>>>
>>>
>>> I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
>>> (meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.
>>
>> Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
>> antidote freely seems a better bargain.
>
> Sure, but charge them for the antidote. A couple weeks ago I watched a
> news report and they interviewed a young woman about safe injection
> sites and the need to have the antidote on hand. She spoke from
> experience, having OD'ed a dozen times. If they can afford the money for
> the drugs they are ODing on they should be able to afford to pay for the
> antidote.
>
>
>
>
One on the news here a few weeks ago was a couple that OD'd and a few
hours later the police were back for the same reason. They should set a
limit of dose of Narcan a month or goodbye.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:04:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/27/2017 5:27 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-04-27 5:21 PM, wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:03:09 +1000, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:30:57 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>>>>>>> make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>>>>>>> but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>>>>>>> stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>>>>>>> time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
>>>>>> the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
>>>>>> as or lower than other countries up to that point.
>>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>> Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
>>>>> possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
>>>>> personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
>>>>> 'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
>>>> (meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.
>>>
>>> Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
>>> antidote freely seems a better bargain.
>>
>> Sure, but charge them for the antidote. A couple weeks ago I watched a
>> news report and they interviewed a young woman about safe injection
>> sites and the need to have the antidote on hand. She spoke from
>> experience, having OD'ed a dozen times. If they can afford the money for
>> the drugs they are ODing on they should be able to afford to pay for the
>> antidote.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>One on the news here a few weeks ago was a couple that OD'd and a few
>hours later the police were back for the same reason. They should set a
>limit of dose of Narcan a month or goodbye.

The current drug problem in the US is the easy (non prescribed) access
to prescription pain killers. It's been all over the news in print
and on TV. Whatever you are thinking about where these pills come
from and who utilizes them, you are probably wrong. The drug problem
of over dose and deaths is among the white, middle class, mid-age
group. The pills are dirt cheap -- it has nothing to do with being
able to afford the drugs. There's a governor back east that is truly
concerned in his state because of the problem.
Janet US

On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 5:06:20 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-27 4:03 PM, Bruce wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:30:57 -0300, wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
> >>>> make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
> >>>> but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
> >>>>
> >>>> Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
> >>>> stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
> >>>> time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
> >>>
> >>> I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
> >>> the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
> >>> as or lower than other countries up to that point.
> >>> Janet US
> >>
> >> Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
> >> possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
> >> personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
> >> 'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through
> >>
> >
> > I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
> > (meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.
>
> One of the big problems here is addiction to prescription pain killers.
> I am sure they all want us to think their addiction developed from
> legitimate pain treatment, but most of the ones I have known had no
> medical situations that required that much medication. They liked to
> party with it. It was bad enough when they were abusing oxy, but now
> they are into Fentanyl, and a lot of other drugs are being laced with
> Fentanyl and people are ODing on the stuff at alarming rates.

Evolution in action.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:00:21 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:56:35 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:50:10 +1000, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 18:21:18 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 06:03:09 +1000, Bruce >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 16:30:57 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 13:20:03 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 15:05:03 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes I was being sarcastic. I feel all that prohibition did was to
>>>>>>>>make bootleggers rich and we should all appreciate, legal is better
>>>>>>>>but needs some checks in place such as age and driving etc etc
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mind you, in my part of Canada there are still people with illegal
>>>>>>>>stills. When I lived in the country I bought from one from time to
>>>>>>>>time, quicker than a trip all the way back into town.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have read that the reason that we have so many people in prisons in
>>>>>>>the US is a result of the War on Drugs. We had populations the same
>>>>>>>as or lower than other countries up to that point.
>>>>>>>Janet US
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Could be, if I recall correctly don't people go to prison now for mere
>>>>>>possession of cannabis, whether in quantities to deal or simply a
>>>>>>personal smoke? Politicians think it sounds great to say they are
>>>>>>'cracking down on drugs' but usually don't think these things through
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I wish they would leave pot alone and focus their resources on ice
>>>>>(meth). That's the real problem here, also in traffic.
>>>>
>>>>Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
>>>>antidote freely seems a better bargain.
>>>
>>>I don't know what that is. A pain killer, I guess.
>>
>>I think it was a legal drug originally but it is now made illegally.
>>As it is so strong it comes in from China in an envelope and is then
>>made into pills. The problem arises because when you take one you
>>have no way of knowing how much fentanyl it contains. If your luck
>>failed it contains too much and you will die. There is an anti dote
>>which can be given with good results, given the person is found in
>>time. It boggles my mind that people take it given it's really like
>>Russian Roulette, but I suppose when you are totally addicted...
>
>Maybe this drug hasn't made it to the Australian countryside yet.
>Sounds bad.

You'll know when and if it does.

https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/05/...aced-to-china/

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:56:10 -0300, wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:00:21 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:56:35 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:50:10 +1000, Bruce >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 18:21:18 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
>>>>>antidote freely seems a better bargain.
>>>>
>>>>I don't know what that is. A pain killer, I guess.
>>>
>>>I think it was a legal drug originally but it is now made illegally.
>>>As it is so strong it comes in from China in an envelope and is then
>>>made into pills. The problem arises because when you take one you
>>>have no way of knowing how much fentanyl it contains. If your luck
>>>failed it contains too much and you will die. There is an anti dote
>>>which can be given with good results, given the person is found in
>>>time. It boggles my mind that people take it given it's really like
>>>Russian Roulette, but I suppose when you are totally addicted...
>>
>>Maybe this drug hasn't made it to the Australian countryside yet.
>>Sounds bad.
>
>You'll know when and if it does.
>
>https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/05/...aced-to-china/

My hope's on Australian sniffer dogs.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 21:33:54 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:56:10 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:00:21 +1000, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:56:35 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:50:10 +1000, Bruce >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 18:21:18 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
>>>>>>antidote freely seems a better bargain.
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know what that is. A pain killer, I guess.
>>>>
>>>>I think it was a legal drug originally but it is now made illegally.
>>>>As it is so strong it comes in from China in an envelope and is then
>>>>made into pills. The problem arises because when you take one you
>>>>have no way of knowing how much fentanyl it contains. If your luck
>>>>failed it contains too much and you will die. There is an anti dote
>>>>which can be given with good results, given the person is found in
>>>>time. It boggles my mind that people take it given it's really like
>>>>Russian Roulette, but I suppose when you are totally addicted...
>>>
>>>Maybe this drug hasn't made it to the Australian countryside yet.
>>>Sounds bad.
>>
>>You'll know when and if it does.
>>
>>https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/05/...aced-to-china/
>
>My hope's on Australian sniffer dogs.

That won't necessarily help. The Fentanyl comes in envelopes from
China, the providers make the pills. Hence the unreliability of the
contents. Twnety times the pill might have a reasonable dosage but
the 21st it's lethal and there is no way to tell. There has also
been talk about how lethal handling the raw Fentanyl can be, it can be
absorbed via skin contact so I think your scenario might produce many
dead dogs.

Anyway, off now to switch from snow tires to summers - always nicer
than the reverse.

On 2017-04-28 6:14 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 21:33:54 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:56:10 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:00:21 +1000, Bruce >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:56:35 -0300, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:50:10 +1000, Bruce >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 18:21:18 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
>>>>>>> antidote freely seems a better bargain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what that is. A pain killer, I guess.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it was a legal drug originally but it is now made illegally.
>>>>> As it is so strong it comes in from China in an envelope and is then
>>>>> made into pills. The problem arises because when you take one you
>>>>> have no way of knowing how much fentanyl it contains. If your luck
>>>>> failed it contains too much and you will die. There is an anti dote
>>>>> which can be given with good results, given the person is found in
>>>>> time. It boggles my mind that people take it given it's really like
>>>>> Russian Roulette, but I suppose when you are totally addicted...
>>>>
>>>> Maybe this drug hasn't made it to the Australian countryside yet.
>>>> Sounds bad.
>>>
>>> You'll know when and if it does.
>>>
>>> https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/05/...aced-to-china/
>>
>> My hope's on Australian sniffer dogs.
>
> That won't necessarily help. The Fentanyl comes in envelopes from
> China, the providers make the pills. Hence the unreliability of the
> contents. Twnety times the pill might have a reasonable dosage but
> the 21st it's lethal and there is no way to tell. There has also
> been talk about how lethal handling the raw Fentanyl can be, it can be
> absorbed via skin contact so I think your scenario might produce many
> dead dogs.

>
There's also Carfentanyl that is 100x stronger and is used to
tranquilize elephants. That's easily mailed in small quantities. the
trouble is that the amateur drug dealers can't dilute it reliably and a
piece the size of a sugar grain will kill you!

On 2017-04-28 6:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 5:06:20 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:

>> It was bad enough when they were abusing oxy, but now
>> they are into Fentanyl, and a lot of other drugs are being laced with
>> Fentanyl and people are ODing on the stuff at alarming rates.
>
> Evolution in action.


I admit to a lack of sympathy for people putting themselves at so much
risk to experience a brief high. Think what it must be like for the EMTs
and ER personnel who are dealing with drug overdose deaths on a daily
basis, and how they are saving people's lives with extraordinary efforts
only to have them brought in again within a few weeks.

On 2017-04-28 6:56 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:00:21 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:

>> Maybe this drug hasn't made it to the Australian countryside yet.
>> Sounds bad.
>
> You'll know when and if it does.
>
> https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/05/...aced-to-china/
>


It is extremely powerful stuff. A little goes a long way and people are
using it to lace other drugs to increase their potency, even though the
effects are different. It is so powerful that police and EMTs concerned
about on being affect by or even overdosing from touching ir or inhaling
airborne particles. They are starting to wear reubber gloves when
working with these drug overdoses because latex is too porous to protect
them from the fentanyl, and they wear masks so they won't inhale it.

On 4/28/2017 9:48 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-28 6:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 5:06:20 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> It was bad enough when they were abusing oxy, but now
>>> they are into Fentanyl, and a lot of other drugs are being laced with
>>> Fentanyl and people are ODing on the stuff at alarming rates.
>>
>> Evolution in action.
>
>
> I admit to a lack of sympathy for people putting themselves at so much
> risk to experience a brief high. Think what it must be like for the EMTs
> and ER personnel who are dealing with drug overdose deaths on a daily
> basis, and how they are saving people's lives with extraordinary efforts
> only to have them brought in again within a few weeks.
>
>
My hat is off to all EMT and ER people. I couldn't deal with it.

On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:47:55 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-28 6:17 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 5:06:20 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> It was bad enough when they were abusing oxy, but now
> >> they are into Fentanyl, and a lot of other drugs are being laced with
> >> Fentanyl and people are ODing on the stuff at alarming rates.
> >
> > Evolution in action.
>
>
> I admit to a lack of sympathy for people putting themselves at so much
> risk to experience a brief high. Think what it must be like for the EMTs
> and ER personnel who are dealing with drug overdose deaths on a daily
> basis, and how they are saving people's lives with extraordinary efforts
> only to have them brought in again within a few weeks.

I do feel sorry for some of the families, but they'd be in hell
either way. On instance that I can recall, the parents OD'd
and the children kept going to school and making do for several
days after mommy and daddy fell asleep and wouldn't wake up.
I get the shivers just thinking about those kids.

Cindy Hamilton

On 4/28/2017 8:14 AM, wrote:

>
> Anyway, off now to switch from snow tires to summers - always nicer
> than the reverse.
>

Just got new tires last week. Instead of the snow rated Nokian WRG3 I
switched to Nokian entyre 2.0. If it snows these days, I stay home. No
more going to work. If it snows really hard here, a few hours after
it stops the roads are clear enough.

On 2017-04-28 10:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:47:55 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:

> I do feel sorry for some of the families, but they'd be in hell
> either way. On instance that I can recall, the parents OD'd
> and the children kept going to school and making do for several
> days after mommy and daddy fell asleep and wouldn't wake up.
> I get the shivers just thinking about those kids.


There is a growing number of "safe injection" sites up here. Concerned
about the use of dirty needles leading to hepatitis, HIV and other
diseases being transmitted, and overdoses, a couple cities have set up
these places for drug users to come and inject their drug of choice in a
safe environment. They are have medical staff on hand to seal with
overdoses, and I suppose they offer counselling for the junkies who
choose to listen.

It sounds like an idiotic idea to me, and a misnomer. If they have to
have medical personnel on hand to cope with over doses, it is not safe.
It also assumes that the junkies will always go there to hit up. I have
to wonder about the legal liabilities. They are inviting people to come
to their facilities and to use illegal substances. I can't see how, in
this litigious society, that could not make them liable if someone ODs
and dies or incapacitated for life. They were party to an illegal activity.

On 2017-04-28 10:29 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/28/2017 8:14 AM, wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyway, off now to switch from snow tires to summers - always nicer
>> than the reverse.
>>
>
> Just got new tires last week. Instead of the snow rated Nokian WRG3 I
> switched to Nokian entyre 2.0. If it snows these days, I stay home. No
> more going to work. If it snows really hard here, a few hours after
> it stops the roads are clear enough.


I remember an incident the first year I retired. It was late in April. I
got up in the morning and looked out the kitchen window to see
everything covered in 4-6 inches of wet slushy snow. It was the kind of
stuff that is too heavy to shovel and the snow blower won't work on it
because it would just bog down and plug the chute. I just thought to
myself I didn't have anywhere I had to be, so we stayed in, and it was
all melted by the next day.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:03:03 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-04-28 6:14 AM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 21:33:54 +1000, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:56:10 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:00:21 +1000, Bruce >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 20:56:35 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:50:10 +1000, Bruce >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2017 18:21:18 -0300, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Again, with the Fentanyl problem, spending bucks on distributing the
>>>>>>>> antidote freely seems a better bargain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what that is. A pain killer, I guess.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it was a legal drug originally but it is now made illegally.
>>>>>> As it is so strong it comes in from China in an envelope and is then
>>>>>> made into pills. The problem arises because when you take one you
>>>>>> have no way of knowing how much fentanyl it contains. If your luck
>>>>>> failed it contains too much and you will die. There is an anti dote
>>>>>> which can be given with good results, given the person is found in
>>>>>> time. It boggles my mind that people take it given it's really like
>>>>>> Russian Roulette, but I suppose when you are totally addicted...
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe this drug hasn't made it to the Australian countryside yet.
>>>>> Sounds bad.
>>>>
>>>> You'll know when and if it does.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.statnews.com/2016/04/05/...aced-to-china/
>>>
>>> My hope's on Australian sniffer dogs.
>>
>> That won't necessarily help. The Fentanyl comes in envelopes from
>> China, the providers make the pills. Hence the unreliability of the
>> contents. Twnety times the pill might have a reasonable dosage but
>> the 21st it's lethal and there is no way to tell. There has also
>> been talk about how lethal handling the raw Fentanyl can be, it can be
>> absorbed via skin contact so I think your scenario might produce many
>> dead dogs.
>
>>
>There's also Carfentanyl that is 100x stronger and is used to
>tranquilize elephants. That's easily mailed in small quantities. the
>trouble is that the amateur drug dealers can't dilute it reliably and a
>piece the size of a sugar grain will kill you!

It demonstrates the level of addiction that they would still risk
putting one of those pills in their mouth.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:29:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/28/2017 8:14 AM, wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyway, off now to switch from snow tires to summers - always nicer
>> than the reverse.
>>
>
>Just got new tires last week. Instead of the snow rated Nokian WRG3 I
>switched to Nokian entyre 2.0. If it snows these days, I stay home. No
>more going to work. If it snows really hard here, a few hours after
>it stops the roads are clear enough.

When I moved back into town that's what I thought but it didn't allow
for snow starting when I am already out, I have a steep hill to get up
here. So I changed my mind and went back to snows.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:42:33 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-28 10:21 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:47:55 AM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> I do feel sorry for some of the families, but they'd be in hell
>> either way. On instance that I can recall, the parents OD'd
>> and the children kept going to school and making do for several
>> days after mommy and daddy fell asleep and wouldn't wake up.
>> I get the shivers just thinking about those kids.
>
>
>There is a growing number of "safe injection" sites up here. Concerned
>about the use of dirty needles leading to hepatitis, HIV and other
>diseases being transmitted, and overdoses, a couple cities have set up
>these places for drug users to come and inject their drug of choice in a
>safe environment. They are have medical staff on hand to seal with
>overdoses, and I suppose they offer counselling for the junkies who
>choose to listen.
>
>It sounds like an idiotic idea to me, and a misnomer. If they have to
>have medical personnel on hand to cope with over doses, it is not safe.
>It also assumes that the junkies will always go there to hit up. I have
>to wonder about the legal liabilities. They are inviting people to come
>to their facilities and to use illegal substances. I can't see how, in
>this litigious society, that could not make them liable if someone ODs
>and dies or incapacitated for life. They were party to an illegal activity.

If you examine the finances of it, it's far cheaper in the long run.

On 2017-04-28 11:09 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 07:03:03 -0600, graham > wrote:

>> There's also Carfentanyl that is 100x stronger and is used to
>> tranquilize elephants. That's easily mailed in small quantities. the
>> trouble is that the amateur drug dealers can't dilute it reliably and a
>> piece the size of a sugar grain will kill you!
>
> It demonstrates the level of addiction that they would still risk
> putting one of those pills in their mouth.


I can understand that some people with serious pain issues might be on
prescribed pain killers long enough to develop a true physical
addiction. I am finding it hard to believe that the younger people who
make up the largest numbers of those who are ODing on the stuff, had
been using them legally and medically long enough to become truly
addicted. Most of them actually start off abusing the stuff, using the
medication for recreational purposes.

I don't have a problem with providing the antidote for them when they
accidentally OD, but I don't think we should be footing the bill for
them on subsequent incidents. The cost of the antidote is not that high,
but the cost of EMTs, ER staff and facilities is very high.After one or
two ODs they can start paying for the services upfront.

On 2017-04-28 11:13 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:42:33 -0400, Dave Smith

>> It sounds like an idiotic idea to me, and a misnomer. If they have to
>> have medical personnel on hand to cope with over doses, it is not safe.
>> It also assumes that the junkies will always go there to hit up. I have
>> to wonder about the legal liabilities. They are inviting people to come
>> to their facilities and to use illegal substances. I can't see how, in
>> this litigious society, that could not make them liable if someone ODs
>> and dies or incapacitated for life. They were party to an illegal activity.
>
> If you examine the finances of it, it's far cheaper in the long run.

I would need to see the figures on that. As I suggested, the are
assuming that the junkies only hit at the safe injection sites and never
use needles that have been shared by others. They can get desperate
enough to use whatever is handy at the time. For most of them it is just
a matter of time. They have, after all, demonstrated that they are in
the habit of making bad choices.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:29:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/28/2017 8:14 AM, wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyway, off now to switch from snow tires to summers - always nicer
>> than the reverse.
>>
>
>Just got new tires last week. Instead of the snow rated Nokian WRG3 I
>switched to Nokian entyre 2.0. If it snows these days, I stay home. No
>more going to work. If it snows really hard here, a few hours after
>it stops the roads are clear enough.

Long ago I had snow tires on a'58 Plymouth stick. My next car was
automatic, snow tires are worthless on an automatic unless it's a 4 X
4, and then you really don't need snows.
When it snows here the roads are plowed constantly, at least once
every hour. However unless it's very important I don't drive in snow
anymore... too many deer on the roads when it's snowing.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 11:51:06 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-28 11:13 AM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:42:33 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>>> It sounds like an idiotic idea to me, and a misnomer. If they have to
>>> have medical personnel on hand to cope with over doses, it is not safe.
>>> It also assumes that the junkies will always go there to hit up. I have
>>> to wonder about the legal liabilities. They are inviting people to come
>>> to their facilities and to use illegal substances. I can't see how, in
>>> this litigious society, that could not make them liable if someone ODs
>>> and dies or incapacitated for life. They were party to an illegal activity.
>>
>> If you examine the finances of it, it's far cheaper in the long run.
>
>I would need to see the figures on that. As I suggested, the are
>assuming that the junkies only hit at the safe injection sites and never
>use needles that have been shared by others. They can get desperate
>enough to use whatever is handy at the time.

I had a diabetic cat that I was injecting with feline insulin twice a
day, he lasted almost four more years so he made 16... easy to inject
a cat, pinch the loose neck skin and inject into that... the needle is
small, they feel nothing. I still have at least 300 sterile syringes,
they're cheap, a box of a hundred at Walmart costs about $5, all one
needs is a Rx from a Vet. I think the druggies should at least be
given sterile syringes, a lot cheaper than treating disease.

>For most of them it is just
>a matter of time. They have, after all, demonstrated that they are in
>the habit of making bad choices.
>

wrote in message ...



I had a diabetic cat that I was injecting with feline insulin twice a
day, he lasted almost four more years so he made 16... easy to inject
a cat, pinch the loose neck skin and inject into that... the needle is
small, they feel nothing. I still have at least 300 sterile syringes,
they're cheap, a box of a hundred at Walmart costs about $5, all one
needs is a Rx from a Vet. I think the druggies should at least be
given sterile syringes, a lot cheaper than treating disease.

==

Our Poppy need an injection every three weeks. They keep her well.


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:46:35 -0400, wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:29:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 4/28/2017 8:14 AM, wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Anyway, off now to switch from snow tires to summers - always nicer
>>> than the reverse.
>>>
>>
>>Just got new tires last week. Instead of the snow rated Nokian WRG3 I
>>switched to Nokian entyre 2.0. If it snows these days, I stay home. No
>>more going to work. If it snows really hard here, a few hours after
>>it stops the roads are clear enough.
>
>Long ago I had snow tires on a'58 Plymouth stick. My next car was
>automatic, snow tires are worthless on an automatic unless it's a 4 X
>4, and then you really don't need snows.
>When it snows here the roads are plowed constantly, at least once
>every hour. However unless it's very important I don't drive in snow
>anymore... too many deer on the roads when it's snowing.


You are incorrect as usual. Snow tires make all the difference. When
I lived out of town the most frequent car in the ditch was a 4 wheel
drive because the stupid owners felt they were invincible, like you.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:39:47 -0300, wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:46:35 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:29:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/28/2017 8:14 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, off now to switch from snow tires to summers - always nicer
>>>> than the reverse.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Just got new tires last week. Instead of the snow rated Nokian WRG3 I
>>>switched to Nokian entyre 2.0. If it snows these days, I stay home. No
>>>more going to work. If it snows really hard here, a few hours after
>>>it stops the roads are clear enough.
>>
>>Long ago I had snow tires on a'58 Plymouth stick. My next car was
>>automatic, snow tires are worthless on an automatic unless it's a 4 X
>>4, and then you really don't need snows.
>>When it snows here the roads are plowed constantly, at least once
>>every hour. However unless it's very important I don't drive in snow
>>anymore... too many deer on the roads when it's snowing.
>
>
>You are incorrect as usual. Snow tires make all the difference. When
>I lived out of town the most frequent car in the ditch was a 4 wheel
>drive because the stupid owners felt they were invincible, like you.

What a dumb ****. I never said I feel invincible, I said I rarely
drive in the snow, you ignorant ****. I've driven in snow but
cautiously, I've never been in any friggin' ditch. unless I was in
YOU!

On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 5:42:13 PM UTC-6, Sheldon wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:39:47 -0300, wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:46:35 -0400, wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:29:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 4/28/2017 8:14 AM, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Anyway, off now to switch from snow tires to summers - always nicer
> >>>> than the reverse.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Just got new tires last week. Instead of the snow rated Nokian WRG3 I
> >>>switched to Nokian entyre 2.0. If it snows these days, I stay home. No
> >>>more going to work. If it snows really hard here, a few hours after
> >>>it stops the roads are clear enough.
> >>
> >>Long ago I had snow tires on a'58 Plymouth stick. My next car was
> >>automatic, snow tires are worthless on an automatic unless it's a 4 X
> >>4, and then you really don't need snows.
> >>When it snows here the roads are plowed constantly, at least once
> >>every hour. However unless it's very important I don't drive in snow
> >>anymore... too many deer on the roads when it's snowing.
> >
> >
> >You are incorrect as usual. Snow tires make all the difference. When
> >I lived out of town the most frequent car in the ditch was a 4 wheel
> >drive because the stupid owners felt they were invincible, like you.
>
> What a dumb ****. I never said I feel invincible, I said I rarely
> drive in the snow, you ignorant ****. I've driven in snow but
> cautiously, I've never been in any friggin' ditch. unless I was in
> YOU!

That kind of language is not called for Sheldon.
====

It doesn't look especially good because Jamie talks openly about the curdled
milk "sauce." Sounds like it would look unappealing. OTOH, it is so easy!
And cooking in milk is not too far removed from my mom's milk gravy she
always made to go with chicken. So I think I will have to try it.

N.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 5:42:13 PM UTC-6, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:39:47 -0300, wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:46:35 -0400, wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:29:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On 4/28/2017 8:14 AM, wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Anyway, off now to switch from snow tires to summers - always nicer
>> >>>> than the reverse.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Just got new tires last week. Instead of the snow rated Nokian WRG3 I
>> >>>switched to Nokian entyre 2.0. If it snows these days, I stay home. No
>> >>>more going to work. If it snows really hard here, a few hours after
>> >>>it stops the roads are clear enough.
>> >>
>> >>Long ago I had snow tires on a'58 Plymouth stick. My next car was
>> >>automatic, snow tires are worthless on an automatic unless it's a 4 X
>> >>4, and then you really don't need snows.
>> >>When it snows here the roads are plowed constantly, at least once
>> >>every hour. However unless it's very important I don't drive in snow
>> >>anymore... too many deer on the roads when it's snowing.
>> >
>> >You are incorrect as usual. Snow tires make all the difference. When
>> >I lived out of town the most frequent car in the ditch was a 4 wheel
>> >drive because the stupid owners felt they were invincible, like you.
>>
>> What a dumb ****. I never said I feel invincible, I said I rarely
>> drive in the snow, you ignorant ****. I've driven in snow but
>> cautiously, I've never been in any friggin' ditch. unless I was in
>> YOU!
>
>That kind of language is not called for Sheldon.

Occasionally it's appropriate because that's the only language certain
miscreants comprehend.

On 2017-04-29 11:12 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 5:42:13 PM UTC-6, Sheldon wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:39:47 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:46:35 -0400, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:29:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/28/2017 8:14 AM, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, off now to switch from snow tires to summers - always nicer
>>>>>>> than the reverse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just got new tires last week. Instead of the snow rated Nokian WRG3 I
>>>>>> switched to Nokian entyre 2.0. If it snows these days, I stay home. No
>>>>>> more going to work. If it snows really hard here, a few hours after
>>>>>> it stops the roads are clear enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> Long ago I had snow tires on a'58 Plymouth stick. My next car was
>>>>> automatic, snow tires are worthless on an automatic unless it's a 4 X
>>>>> 4, and then you really don't need snows.
>>>>> When it snows here the roads are plowed constantly, at least once
>>>>> every hour. However unless it's very important I don't drive in snow
>>>>> anymore... too many deer on the roads when it's snowing.
>>>>
>>>> You are incorrect as usual. Snow tires make all the difference. When
>>>> I lived out of town the most frequent car in the ditch was a 4 wheel
>>>> drive because the stupid owners felt they were invincible, like you.
>>>
>>> What a dumb ****. I never said I feel invincible, I said I rarely
>>> drive in the snow, you ignorant ****. I've driven in snow but
>>> cautiously, I've never been in any friggin' ditch. unless I was in
>>> YOU!
>>
>> That kind of language is not called for Sheldon.
>
> Occasionally it's appropriate because that's the only language certain
> miscreants comprehend.
>

Roy reminds of that Scottish dwelling twit who used to quote Lucas'
offensive posts and then complain that it was offensive. It would seem
that Roy is also dumb enough not to see that it is as offensive to quote
it and repost it as it is to post it in the first place.

> wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>>That kind of language is not called for Sheldon.
>
> Occasionally it's appropriate because that's the only language certain
> miscreants comprehend.

It's never appropriate, never, and foul mouthed old men are especially
pathetic since they were raised in a different time and should know better.

Cheri

On 2017-04-29 12:23 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>>> That kind of language is not called for Sheldon.
>>
>> Occasionally it's appropriate because that's the only language certain
>> miscreants comprehend.
>
> It's never appropriate, never, and foul mouthed old men are especially
> pathetic since they were raised in a different time and should know better.
>
> Cheri
>
>
I can't figure out why people reply to Sheldon. Anyone else who had such
a filthy mind would be plonked by everyone.

graham wrote:

> On 2017-04-29 12:23 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> >>> That kind of language is not called for Sheldon.
> >>
> >> Occasionally it's appropriate because that's the only language certain
> >> miscreants comprehend.
> >
> > It's never appropriate, never, and foul mouthed old men are especially
> > pathetic since they were raised in a different time and should know better.
> >
> > Cheri
> >
> >
> I can't figure out why people reply to Sheldon. Anyone else who had such
> a filthy mind would be plonked by everyone.


Fiddlesticks...if Sheldon stopped posting y'all would be pining away with grief...


--
Best
Greg

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 9:32:48 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-04-29 11:12 AM, wrote:
> > On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 5:42:13 PM UTC-6, Sheldon wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 15:39:47 -0300, wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:46:35 -0400, wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 10:29:53 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 4/28/2017 8:14 AM, wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyway, off now to switch from snow tires to summers - always nicer
> >>>>>>> than the reverse.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Just got new tires last week. Instead of the snow rated Nokian WRG3 I
> >>>>>> switched to Nokian entyre 2.0. If it snows these days, I stay home. No
> >>>>>> more going to work. If it snows really hard here, a few hours after
> >>>>>> it stops the roads are clear enough.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Long ago I had snow tires on a'58 Plymouth stick. My next car was
> >>>>> automatic, snow tires are worthless on an automatic unless it's a 4 X
> >>>>> 4, and then you really don't need snows.
> >>>>> When it snows here the roads are plowed constantly, at least once
> >>>>> every hour. However unless it's very important I don't drive in snow
> >>>>> anymore... too many deer on the roads when it's snowing.
> >>>>
> >>>> You are incorrect as usual. Snow tires make all the difference. When
> >>>> I lived out of town the most frequent car in the ditch was a 4 wheel
> >>>> drive because the stupid owners felt they were invincible, like you.
> >>>
> >>> What a dumb ****. I never said I feel invincible, I said I rarely
> >>> drive in the snow, you ignorant ****. I've driven in snow but
> >>> cautiously, I've never been in any friggin' ditch. unless I was in
> >>> YOU!
> >>
> >> That kind of language is not called for Sheldon.
> >
> > Occasionally it's appropriate because that's the only language certain
> > miscreants comprehend.
> >
>
> Roy reminds of that Scottish dwelling twit who used to quote Lucas'
> offensive posts and then complain that it was offensive. It would seem
> that Roy is also dumb enough not to see that it is as offensive to quote
> it and repost it as it is to post it in the first place.

I was addressing Sheldon for his blunt bar-room boorishness so butt out.
I made my point but I don't see that you made one other than to give off
some gas.
====

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 13:33:08 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
wrote:

>On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 9:32:48 AM UTC-6, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-04-29 11:12 AM, wrote:
>> > On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> That kind of language is not called for Sheldon.
>> >
>> > Occasionally it's appropriate because that's the only language certain
>> > miscreants comprehend.
>> >
>>
>> Roy reminds of that Scottish dwelling twit who used to quote Lucas'
>> offensive posts and then complain that it was offensive. It would seem
>> that Roy is also dumb enough not to see that it is as offensive to quote
>> it and repost it as it is to post it in the first place.
>
>I was addressing Sheldon for his blunt bar-room boorishness so butt out.
>I made my point but I don't see that you made one other than to give off
>some gas.
>====

"blunt bar-room boorishness", very well put. That's exactly how you
always talk to me.

On 4/29/2017 2:23 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 28 Apr 2017 19:09:11 -0700 (PDT), Roy >
>>> That kind of language is not called for Sheldon.
>>
>> Occasionally it's appropriate because that's the only language certain
>> miscreants comprehend.
>
> It's never appropriate, never, and foul mouthed old men are especially
> pathetic since they were raised in a different time and should know better.
>
> Cheri
>
>
When I was a teenager I went through a cussing stage. Now that I'm much
older I realize it does not fit most situations. Okay, if I hit my hand
with a hammer doing a household repair I might cuss. That rarely
happens when I'm typing.

Jill

The Greatest! wrote:
>graham wrote:
>>Cheri wrote:
>> >penmart wrote:
>> >>Roy spat:
>> >>> That kind of language is not called for Sheldon.
>> >>
>> >> Occasionally it's appropriate because that's the only language certain
>> >> miscreants comprehend.
>> >
>> > It's never appropriate, never, and foul mouthed old men are especially
>> > pathetic since they were raised in a different time and should know better.
>> >
>> > Cheri

Well you'd be very wrong, every women I've 'known' and there have been
many greatly appreciated my foul mouth in the bedroom, Sister Cheri.

>> I can't figure out why people reply to Sheldon. Anyone else who had such
>> a filthy mind would be plonked by everyone.

Everyone would do better never replying to you, you offer nothing
utile and nothing entertaining... if everyone here
was like you RFC would quickly curl up and die, you BORING POS.

>Fiddlesticks...if Sheldon stopped posting y'all would be pining away with grief...

That's true, and they'd learn pitifully little about food and cooking.
So where's sf hiding, I truly miss her and her pet butt... actually
I'd love to pet her butt... her posterior would put the mother of all
bombs to shame... drop it on me, sf... I can handle all the mega tons
you got! LOL