On 4/29/2017 11:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> With all meals, I prefer "nature's champagne" - nice cold water.
>
> Even with your beloved Big Macs?

None of my food needs the nasty taste of alcoholic beverages to enjoy.
even Big Macs.

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 09:40:47 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-04-28 9:44 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 4/28/2017 9:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Any of this can be done on a stovetop, BTW. No need for a specific
>>>> Fondue pot. But for true fondue you will need some long handled forks
>>>> for dipping the bread and/or meats (smoked sausage) into the hot
>>>> melted cheese.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Chop sticks would probably work. You need decent bread for dipping.
>>>
>>>
>> Chop sticks? Did you just turn into dsl1?
>
>Nope. Just pointing out that it is not absolutely necessary to have the
>long forks for a fondue. If someone has a pot and the ingredients they
>do not need to be deterred by the lack of special forks.
>
>
> > Why complicate things? Just
>> use the long handled fork. And of course you need good (not merely
>> decent) bread for dipping in hot melted cheese.
>
>
>
>Are you underrating decency?
>
>
>
>> I promise, if you make it from scratch using good quality cheese it
>> wouldn't really be like that "stadium cheese sauce". Whatever that is.
>
>Have you never seen the sort of stuff they foist as nachos at stadium
>and fairs. The put some nacho chips in a little cardboard box and pour
>some insipid gooey cheese sauce over them.

A big platter of nachos was what my wife and I shared on our first
date. Where she lived on Lung Guyland there was a restaurant named
Chicago's, she suggested we go there for nachos, and they were very
good.

On 2017-04-29 12:55 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 29 Apr 2017 07:59:28a, Dave Smith told us...

>> That is your personal feeling about it. Many people differ and
>> know that some drinks are better with some foods that others.
>> Wings are a waste of time without beer. Scandinavians like fish
>> smorresbrod with beer and schnapps.... both, not one or the other.
>> I like Pilsners or light ales with hamburgers. Full bodied red
>> wines are good with beef and lamb. I like some white wines with
>> fish, but other whites don't pair as well. You inability to pair
>> your drinks with your food do not mean that alcoholic drinks are
>> never good with food.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> As with 90% of what gets discussed in this group, it's all a matter
> of personal preference. I no longer drink alcoholic beverages for
> medical reasons, but when I did I enjoyed wines, various sorts of
> beers, and hard liquors, eiher on the rocks or in cocktails.
> However, I never enjoyed any of them with food. I have always
> consumed a lot of liquid with my meals, particularly unsweetened iced
> tea. I don't find drinking large quantities of any alcoholic
> beverage very compatible with food.
>

I never suggested drinking large quantities of alcoholic beverages with
food. That was a leap of logic Gary took when he talked about getting a
buzz on to enjoy food.

On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 3:02:01 PM UTC-10, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
> He seems to forget he's not in Japan. And hey, the Japanese didn't win
> that war.
>

You seem to forget that our war with Japan started in Hawaii when they attacked us. My dad's high school class, and others on this rock, spent their time during the war preparing the coasts for a Japanese invasion that never came. You seem to forget that it was our asses on the line.

Thanks for informing us that the Japanese didn't win the war. What you seem to forget is that the war is over.

What you don't know is that it's our asses on the line with this Trump/Un biggest dick contest, not yours. Show some respect man!

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 12:08:07 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 6:38:26 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 8:39:20 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > Fondue isn't just cheese. Just goes to show how little you know
> > > about it, and how willing you are to talk out your ass.
> > >
> > > Honestly, if we were talking this way about loco moco, you'd
> > > be all over us like white on rice (heh).
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Beats the heck out of me where you get your silly girl notions. I understand that fondue comes in chocolate too. Other than that I draw a blank. Please enlighten me on this matter. I have had chocolate fondue in the form of the infamous chocolate waterfall - in Las Vegas no less. It seems rather unsanitary to me but I doubt that a chocolate waterfall ever killed anybody so that would be the important part.
> >
> > I have never claimed to be an expert in fondue. My simple statement was that fondue was a big fad in the late 60's and 70's. If you have any information to the contrary, you'd best spring that out. Otherwise, we got nothing to talk about.
>
> Fondue can also be made with broth, oil, or wine as the heat-transfer
> fluid. (I just learned about wine fondue this minute after looking
> up fondue on Wikipedia. It really doesn't appeal to me.)
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I'm not much into dipping stuff into cheese but I like this restaurant. Too bad the rest of the family is not into it. It's fondue - sorta.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I42Z2QKvOo

On 4/29/2017 12:57 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 29 Apr 2017 07:56:48a, Gary told us...
>
>> On 4/28/2017 9:44 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> I promise, if you make it from scratch using good quality cheese
>>> it wouldn't really be like that "stadium cheese sauce". Whatever
>>> that is.
>>
>> Hi Jill. You should really stop criticizing "stadium cheese sauce"
>> until you give it a try. It does have it's place in the culinary
>> world. :-D
>>
>>
>>
>
> Most likely it should be buried. :-)
>
I couldn't use the word "culinary" in the same sentence with "stadium
cheese sauce" with a straight face.

Jill

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 10:46:14 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 4/28/2017 5:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/28/2017 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Everyone there had wine with their meal except for me. They acted like
>>> I was some weirdo requesting water. Wine pared with a good meal is the
>>> ultimate TIAD to me.
>>>
>>
>> Any particular reason? Proper pairing is supposed to choose flavors
>> that complement each other. The wrong pairing can be bad though. Do
>> you drink wine alone or do you just not like wine? Nothing wrong with
>> that.
>>
>> IMO, water is the ultimate beverage and goes well with anything.
>
>I've just never liked any alcoholic beverage with any meal. Not wine
>with a meal and no beer with certain meals that people like to combine
>it with. Water only for me with meals.
>
>IMO, alcoholic beverages are best alone and not with food. It's a
>separate thing to do for me.

Now thinking about it I don't like alcholic beverages with food. My
first cocktail of the day is after dinner and after I do the dishes
and clean up the kitchen. Only then will I prepare my cocktail and
have it at my PC... about half the time I'll have a second. With
meals I prefer my filtered water with a twist (a small strip of citrus
rind), no ice either. Even at restaurants I'd have a cocktail before
the meal and sometimes another after, but not with food. I don't
drink much water with a meal either, when I'm eating I'm not
drinking... I'd find it very strange to have a beverage with my soup.
In Chinese restaurants the first thing brought to the table is a pot
of tea, I'd have a couple of the small cups while waiting for my first
course, typically soup. At the Chinese restaurants I've been to the
next course doesn't arrive until a few minutes passes since the
preceeding course, so I'll have another cup of tea between courses.
The only time I ever drink tea is at a Chinese restaurant.

On 4/29/2017 11:12 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>
> LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
> Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>
I never did understand the propensity for adding beer to a pot of
steaming crabs.

Jill

On 4/29/2017 11:37 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 4/29/2017 11:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> With all meals, I prefer "nature's champagne" - nice cold water.
>>
>> Even with your beloved Big Macs?
>
> None of my food needs the nasty taste of alcoholic beverages to enjoy.
> even Big Macs.
>
Where did anyone say you have to like or drink alcholic beverages?

Jill

On 2017-04-29 10:55 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

I don't find drinking large quantities of any alcoholic
> beverage very compatible with food.
>
A few years ago when a friend was visiting, I opened a good Bordeaux
(Ch. Gruaud-Larose) to go with grilled lamb chops. It complimented the
food very well, after all, it is a classic combination. To finish off
the bottle, I brought out some 5yr old cheddar. The flavours of both the
cheddar and the wine "exploded" in the mouth and my friend still speaks
of that experience.
Graham

Dave Smith wrote:
>
>I never suggested drinking large quantities of alcoholic beverages with
>food. That was a leap of logic Gary took when he talked about getting a
>buzz on to enjoy food.

"large" is one of those meaningless words unless you're talking
bosoms. LOL

Thing is people have a cocktail before dinner and another with the
start of dinner they will automatically be buzzed before their first
bite only they don't realize it... Gary is correct. And in most cases
people who like alcholic beverages with meals tend to drink more than
they admit/remember. I've been out with other couples, often their
bar tab is more than their dinner. I'm not a wine or beer drinker but
I enjoy a dry martini, and I know just one before dinner gives anyone
a buzz... sitting still and on an empty stomach people are more buzzed
than they know. Restaurants purposely take the bar order long before
they take the food order, then most folks will have had two drinks by
the time the food order is taken and the restaurants know buzzed
patrons order more expensive meals... and then they purposely stall on
bringing the food so most people will order yet another drink...
everyone in the restaurant business knows that alcohol loosens wallets
and inhibitions, that's when patrons order expensive wines.

When I ate out I'd have a couple 2nis before I left home, my wife
would drive and I didn't run up any bar tab... restaurant booze is
outrageously expensive. When I feel like a few drinks I have them at
home, I can't get a DUI heading for my bed.

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:12:06 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>
>LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
>Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>
>> You inability to pair your drinks with your food do not mean that
>> alcoholic drinks are never good with food.
>
>Pairing drinks with food means your food is inferior and you need to get
>a buzz on to enjoy them.

And if you eat popcorn while you watch a movie, that means the movie
isn't good enough to entertain you on its own?

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:37:32 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 4/29/2017 11:30 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> With all meals, I prefer "nature's champagne" - nice cold water.
>>
>> Even with your beloved Big Macs?
>
>None of my food needs the nasty taste of alcoholic beverages to enjoy.
>even Big Macs.

I never drink alcoholic beverages with a nasty taste.

graham wrote:

> On 2017-04-29 10:55 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> I don't find drinking large quantities of any alcoholic
> > beverage very compatible with food.
> >
> A few years ago when a friend was visiting, I opened a good Bordeaux
> (Ch. Gruaud-Larose) to go with grilled lamb chops. It complimented the
> food very well, after all, it is a classic combination. To finish off
> the bottle, I brought out some 5yr old cheddar. The flavours of both the
> cheddar and the wine "exploded" in the mouth and my friend still speaks
> of that experience.


Lil' Wayne says uses the term "exploded" every time a guy ejaculates into his mouth, lol...


--
Best
Greg

On 4/28/2017 10:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 4/28/2017 3:32 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> I don't see why cheese fondue would be behind the times. It's not like
>>> it's been superseded by something. It's kinda unique.
>>
>> Fondue was popular in the US during the late 60's and 70's. No doubt
>> the fad will pop it's ugly head up every now and then. I did meet up
>> with the famous chocolate fountain in Las Vegas.

So *that's* where dsl1 gets his idea of the mainland! Las Vegas. That
explains a lot.

> Melted cheese or fried cheese is good. Breakfast this morning was
> scrambled eggs with toasted onion, chives and cheese.
>
> Heat a pan with a little butter. Add the cheese and let it bubble, pour
> in the egg and onion mix, add more cheese.

Sounds tasty, Ed! yes to the cheese, please.

Jill

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 15:20:37 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 4/28/2017 10:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/28/2017 3:32 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't see why cheese fondue would be behind the times. It's not like
>>>> it's been superseded by something. It's kinda unique.
>>>
>>> Fondue was popular in the US during the late 60's and 70's. No doubt
>>> the fad will pop it's ugly head up every now and then. I did meet up
>>> with the famous chocolate fountain in Las Vegas.
>
>So *that's* where dsl1 gets his idea of the mainland! Las Vegas. That
>explains a lot.

"The Greatest!" wrote in message
...

graham wrote:

> On 2017-04-29 10:55 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> I don't find drinking large quantities of any alcoholic
> > beverage very compatible with food.
> >
> A few years ago when a friend was visiting, I opened a good Bordeaux
> (Ch. Gruaud-Larose) to go with grilled lamb chops. It complimented the
> food very well, after all, it is a classic combination. To finish off
> the bottle, I brought out some 5yr old cheddar. The flavours of both the
> cheddar and the wine "exploded" in the mouth and my friend still speaks
> of that experience.


Lil' Wayne says uses the term "exploded" every time a guy ejaculates into
his mouth, lol...


Greg

==

Please don't ...


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 1:30:48 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 12:08:07 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 6:38:26 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 8:39:20 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Fondue isn't just cheese. Just goes to show how little you know
> > > > about it, and how willing you are to talk out your ass.
> > > >
> > > > Honestly, if we were talking this way about loco moco, you'd
> > > > be all over us like white on rice (heh).
> > > >
> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > > Beats the heck out of me where you get your silly girl notions. I understand that fondue comes in chocolate too. Other than that I draw a blank. Please enlighten me on this matter. I have had chocolate fondue in the form of the infamous chocolate waterfall - in Las Vegas no less. It seems rather unsanitary to me but I doubt that a chocolate waterfall ever killed anybody so that would be the important part.
> > >
> > > I have never claimed to be an expert in fondue. My simple statement was that fondue was a big fad in the late 60's and 70's. If you have any information to the contrary, you'd best spring that out. Otherwise, we got nothing to talk about.
> >
> > Fondue can also be made with broth, oil, or wine as the heat-transfer
> > fluid. (I just learned about wine fondue this minute after looking
> > up fondue on Wikipedia. It really doesn't appeal to me.)
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> I'm not much into dipping stuff into cheese but I like this restaurant. Too bad the rest of the family is not into it. It's fondue - sorta.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I42Z2QKvOo

That looked delicious. I have to say, I've eaten about 100 times more
Korean barbecue than I have fondue.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 13:32:18 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 1:30:48 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 12:08:07 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 6:38:26 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Beats the heck out of me where you get your silly girl notions. I understand that fondue comes in chocolate too. Other than that I draw a blank. Please enlighten me on this matter. I have had chocolate fondue in the form of the infamous chocolate waterfall - in Las Vegas no less. It seems rather unsanitary to me but I doubt that a chocolate waterfall ever killed anybody so that would be the important part.
>> > >
>> > > I have never claimed to be an expert in fondue. My simple statement was that fondue was a big fad in the late 60's and 70's. If you have any information to the contrary, you'd best spring that out. Otherwise, we got nothing to talk about.
>> >
>> > Fondue can also be made with broth, oil, or wine as the heat-transfer
>> > fluid. (I just learned about wine fondue this minute after looking
>> > up fondue on Wikipedia. It really doesn't appeal to me.)
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I'm not much into dipping stuff into cheese but I like this restaurant. Too bad the rest of the family is not into it. It's fondue - sorta.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I42Z2QKvOo
>
>That looked delicious. I have to say, I've eaten about 100 times more
>Korean barbecue than I have fondue.

Looks like a complicated way to make your own soup to me. When I'm in
a restaurant, I'd rather have a chef cook something for me. As in: I
pay, you cook, we happy.

On 4/29/2017 11:41 AM, wrote:
> A big platter of nachos was what my wife and I shared on our first
> date. Where she lived on Lung Guyland there was a restaurant named
> Chicago's, she suggested we go there for nachos, and they were very
> good.

Glad you had a good time at whatever cheap ass restaraunt your wife too
you to. I've still *never* had what is described as stadium nacho
cheese and thought it was fondue.

The cheese fondue I've made is not yellowish orange. And there were no
tortilla chips involved.

Did those natchos have mystery meat on them along with this cheese glop
and olives?

Jill

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 12:07:53 -0700 (PDT), "The Greatest!"
> wrote:

>graham wrote:
>
>> On 2017-04-29 10:55 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> I don't find drinking large quantities of any alcoholic
>> > beverage very compatible with food.
>> >
>> A few years ago when a friend was visiting, I opened a good Bordeaux
>> (Ch. Gruaud-Larose) to go with grilled lamb chops. It complimented the
>> food very well, after all, it is a classic combination. To finish off
>> the bottle, I brought out some 5yr old cheddar. The flavours of both the
>> cheddar and the wine "exploded" in the mouth and my friend still speaks
>> of that experience.
>
>
>Lil' Wayne says uses the term "exploded" every time a guy ejaculates into his mouth, lol...

Especially a 14 year old's sweet soup.

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:25:44 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 4/29/2017 11:12 AM, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>>
>> LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
>> Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>>
>I never did understand the propensity for adding beer to a pot of
>steaming crabs.
>
>Jill

People do that now when cooking brats and they claim that it is the
Wisconsin way. Yet I never heard of it when growing up. When serving
a crowd across a period of time we used to have a large pot warming
with melted butter and sliced onions that was used to keep the brats
warm. Somewhere along the line someone decided to put beer in the
pot. I dislike beer flavored brats wholeheartedly. I think that the
taste of beer is far more pervasive and unpleasant in food than is
wine.
Janet US

On 4/29/2017 6:36 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:25:44 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/29/2017 11:12 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>>>
>>> LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
>>> Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>>>
>> I never did understand the propensity for adding beer to a pot of
>> steaming crabs.
>>
>> Jill
>
> People do that now when cooking brats and they claim that it is the
> Wisconsin way. Yet I never heard of it when growing up. When serving
> a crowd across a period of time we used to have a large pot warming
> with melted butter and sliced onions that was used to keep the brats
> warm. Somewhere along the line someone decided to put beer in the
> pot. I dislike beer flavored brats wholeheartedly. I think that the
> taste of beer is far more pervasive and unpleasant in food than is
> wine.
> Janet US
>
Thank you! I prefer to just grill them bratwurst and no beer is involved.

Jill

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...
>
>On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:25:44 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 4/29/2017 11:12 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>>>
>>> LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
>>> Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>>>
>>I never did understand the propensity for adding beer to a pot of
>>steaming crabs.
>>
>>Jill
>
>People do that now when cooking brats and they claim that it is the
>Wisconsin way. Yet I never heard of it when growing up. When serving
>a crowd across a period of time we used to have a large pot warming
>with melted butter and sliced onions that was used to keep the brats
>warm. Somewhere along the line someone decided to put beer in the
>pot. I dislike beer flavored brats wholeheartedly. I think that the
>taste of beer is far more pervasive and unpleasant in food than is
>wine.
>Janet US


My wife's relatives do that to keep brats and other sausage warm. To me it
totally ruins them to the point I won't even eat them. Taste like sand
encased in sausage casing. If one must make them ahead and keep them warm,
your way would be much better.

On Easter we had the family over, and the day before I grilled 10 lbs. of
Kielbasa, then on Easter we warmed it up in a crock pot. Along with the
ham, cheesy potatoes and lots of veggies and snacks and dessert, everyone
liked the food.
--
bill_n. (Milwaukee)

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 9:20:48 AM UTC-10, Jill McQuown wrote:

>
> So *that's* where dsl1 gets his idea of the mainland! Las Vegas. That
> explains a lot.
>
> Jill

I think you're the one that got a lot of 'splaining to do. Fer instance, how does someone with such a vicious, vacuous, craven, and cowardly, mindset get through life?

You could blame Hawaii for stuff like loco moco and spam musubi. Heck, you can personify me as all the things you hate about Hawaii and Asians - I can take it. However, the credit for the existence of Las Vegas and chocolate waterfalls lies squarely on the mainland. They are the creation of your culture, not mine. Now go dip your head in a vat of melted cheese! If brains were bread, yours would be Wonder Bread.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...0dbb8ab7be.jpg

On Saturday, April 29, 2017 at 10:32:24 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> That looked delicious. I have to say, I've eaten about 100 times more
> Korean barbecue than I have fondue.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

I agree with you there. I really enjoyed eating there with my dad. Sharing a pot with the old man was a special and memorable experience for me. When he's gone, I'll think about that time and it will make me smile.

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:18:05 -0500, "Bill Nak" > wrote:

>"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
.. .
>>
>>On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:25:44 -0400, jmcquown >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 4/29/2017 11:12 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
>>>> Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>>>>
>>>I never did understand the propensity for adding beer to a pot of
>>>steaming crabs.
>>>
>>>Jill
>>
>>People do that now when cooking brats and they claim that it is the
>>Wisconsin way. Yet I never heard of it when growing up. When serving
>>a crowd across a period of time we used to have a large pot warming
>>with melted butter and sliced onions that was used to keep the brats
>>warm. Somewhere along the line someone decided to put beer in the
>>pot. I dislike beer flavored brats wholeheartedly. I think that the
>>taste of beer is far more pervasive and unpleasant in food than is
>>wine.
>>Janet US
>
>
>My wife's relatives do that to keep brats and other sausage warm. To me it
>totally ruins them to the point I won't even eat them. Taste like sand
>encased in sausage casing. If one must make them ahead and keep them warm,
>your way would be much better.
>
>On Easter we had the family over, and the day before I grilled 10 lbs. of
>Kielbasa, then on Easter we warmed it up in a crock pot. Along with the
>ham, cheesy potatoes and lots of veggies and snacks and dessert, everyone
>liked the food.

Nice to meet you, Milwaukee. I grew up about 50 miles north of you.
Janet US

On 4/29/2017 8:18 PM, Bill Nak wrote:
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:25:44 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/29/2017 11:12 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>> On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>>>>
>>>> LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
>>>> Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>>>>
>>> I never did understand the propensity for adding beer to a pot of
>>> steaming crabs.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> People do that now when cooking brats and they claim that it is the
>> Wisconsin way. Yet I never heard of it when growing up. When serving
>> a crowd across a period of time we used to have a large pot warming
>> with melted butter and sliced onions that was used to keep the brats
>> warm. Somewhere along the line someone decided to put beer in the
>> pot. I dislike beer flavored brats wholeheartedly. I think that the
>> taste of beer is far more pervasive and unpleasant in food than is
>> wine.
>> Janet US
>
>
> My wife's relatives do that to keep brats and other sausage warm. To me
> it totally ruins them to the point I won't even eat them. Taste like
> sand encased in sausage casing. If one must make them ahead and keep
> them warm, your way would be much better.
>
> On Easter we had the family over, and the day before I grilled 10 lbs.
> of Kielbasa, then on Easter we warmed it up in a crock pot. Along with
> the ham, cheesy potatoes and lots of veggies and snacks and dessert,
> everyone liked the food.

Sounds like a winner. As long as everyone enjoyed the food... and
nothing was soaked in beer...

Jill

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...
>
>On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 19:18:05 -0500, "Bill Nak" > wrote:
>
>>"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
. ..
>>>
>>>On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:25:44 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 4/29/2017 11:12 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
>>>>> Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>>>>>
>>>>I never did understand the propensity for adding beer to a pot of
>>>>steaming crabs.
>>>>
>>>>Jill
>>>
>>>People do that now when cooking brats and they claim that it is the
>>>Wisconsin way. Yet I never heard of it when growing up. When serving
>>>a crowd across a period of time we used to have a large pot warming
>>>with melted butter and sliced onions that was used to keep the brats
>>>warm. Somewhere along the line someone decided to put beer in the
>>>pot. I dislike beer flavored brats wholeheartedly. I think that the
>>>taste of beer is far more pervasive and unpleasant in food than is
>>>wine.
>>>Janet US
>>
>>
>>My wife's relatives do that to keep brats and other sausage warm. To me
>>it
>>totally ruins them to the point I won't even eat them. Taste like sand
>>encased in sausage casing. If one must make them ahead and keep them
>>warm,
>>your way would be much better.
>>
>>On Easter we had the family over, and the day before I grilled 10 lbs. of
>>Kielbasa, then on Easter we warmed it up in a crock pot. Along with the
>>ham, cheesy potatoes and lots of veggies and snacks and dessert, everyone
>>liked the food.
>
>Nice to meet you, Milwaukee. I grew up about 50 miles north of you.
>Janet US

Thanks Janet. I seem to run into a lot of people on the 'net and Facebook
that are from these parts, lol.

--
bill_n

On 4/29/2017 10:46 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 4/28/2017 5:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/28/2017 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Everyone there had wine with their meal except for me. They acted like
>>> I was some weirdo requesting water. Wine pared with a good meal is the
>>> ultimate TIAD to me.
>>>
>>
>> Any particular reason? Proper pairing is supposed to choose flavors
>> that complement each other. The wrong pairing can be bad though. Do
>> you drink wine alone or do you just not like wine? Nothing wrong with
>> that.
>>
>> IMO, water is the ultimate beverage and goes well with anything.
>
> I've just never liked any alcoholic beverage with any meal. Not wine
> with a meal and no beer with certain meals that people like to combine
> it with. Water only for me with meals.
>
> IMO, alcoholic beverages are best alone and not with food. It's a
> separate thing to do for me.
>
>

Fair enough, nothing wrong with personal choice. OTOH, I rarely have a
drink without food or a snack.

If I'm thirsty, water is the #1 choice. Beer is for pizza or a
sandwich. Steak calls for a good red wine, but bourbon goes well with
it too.

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 22:02:33 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/29/2017 10:46 AM, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/28/2017 5:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 4/28/2017 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everyone there had wine with their meal except for me. They acted like
>>>> I was some weirdo requesting water. Wine pared with a good meal is the
>>>> ultimate TIAD to me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Any particular reason? Proper pairing is supposed to choose flavors
>>> that complement each other. The wrong pairing can be bad though. Do
>>> you drink wine alone or do you just not like wine? Nothing wrong with
>>> that.
>>>
>>> IMO, water is the ultimate beverage and goes well with anything.
>>
>> I've just never liked any alcoholic beverage with any meal. Not wine
>> with a meal and no beer with certain meals that people like to combine
>> it with. Water only for me with meals.
>>
>> IMO, alcoholic beverages are best alone and not with food. It's a
>> separate thing to do for me.
>>
>>
>
>Fair enough, nothing wrong with personal choice. OTOH, I rarely have a
>drink without food or a snack.
>
>If I'm thirsty, water is the #1 choice. Beer is for pizza or a
>sandwich. Steak calls for a good red wine, but bourbon goes well with
>it too.

I think wine and pizza are a great combo. Wine and most foods,
actually. I've never tried liquor with food. That would seem to clash.

On 4/29/2017 2:32 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-04-29 10:55 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> I don't find drinking large quantities of any alcoholic
>> beverage very compatible with food.
>>
> A few years ago when a friend was visiting, I opened a good Bordeaux
> (Ch. Gruaud-Larose) to go with grilled lamb chops. It complimented the
> food very well, after all, it is a classic combination. To finish off
> the bottle, I brought out some 5yr old cheddar. The flavours of both the
> cheddar and the wine "exploded" in the mouth and my friend still speaks
> of that experience.
> Graham

Oh yes, wish I was there. Great combo. Of course it was good because
you know enough to open the bottle well before serving too.

On 4/29/2017 10:56 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 4/28/2017 9:44 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> I promise, if you make it from scratch using good quality cheese it
>> wouldn't really be like that "stadium cheese sauce". Whatever that is.
>
> Hi Jill. You should really stop criticizing "stadium cheese sauce" until
> you give it a try. It does have it's place in the culinary world. :-D
>
>

Yes, let it sit out for an hour and you can use it for home base.

On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 22:14:54 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 4/29/2017 10:56 AM, Gary wrote:
>> On 4/28/2017 9:44 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> I promise, if you make it from scratch using good quality cheese it
>>> wouldn't really be like that "stadium cheese sauce". Whatever that is.
>>
>> Hi Jill. You should really stop criticizing "stadium cheese sauce" until
>> you give it a try. It does have it's place in the culinary world. :-D
>>
>>
>
>Yes, let it sit out for an hour and you can use it for home base.

Do you smoke that or shoot that up?

"jmcquown" wrote in message news
>
>On 4/29/2017 8:18 PM, Bill Nak wrote:
>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:25:44 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 4/29/2017 11:12 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>> On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>>>>>
>>>>> LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
>>>>> Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>>>>>
>>>> I never did understand the propensity for adding beer to a pot of
>>>> steaming crabs.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> People do that now when cooking brats and they claim that it is the
>>> Wisconsin way. Yet I never heard of it when growing up. When serving
>>> a crowd across a period of time we used to have a large pot warming
>>> with melted butter and sliced onions that was used to keep the brats
>>> warm. Somewhere along the line someone decided to put beer in the
>>> pot. I dislike beer flavored brats wholeheartedly. I think that the
>>> taste of beer is far more pervasive and unpleasant in food than is
>>> wine.
>>> Janet US
>>
>>
>> My wife's relatives do that to keep brats and other sausage warm. To me
>> it totally ruins them to the point I won't even eat them. Taste like
>> sand encased in sausage casing. If one must make them ahead and keep
>> them warm, your way would be much better.
>>
>> On Easter we had the family over, and the day before I grilled 10 lbs.
>> of Kielbasa, then on Easter we warmed it up in a crock pot. Along with
>> the ham, cheesy potatoes and lots of veggies and snacks and dessert,
>> everyone liked the food.
>
>Sounds like a winner. As long as everyone enjoyed the food... and nothing
>was soaked in beer...
>
>Jill

Hi Jill,

We're not big beer drinkers here, and so forgot to put more beer in the
fridg, but they found the 6 cans that were there, lol. Plenty of soft
drinks around though. It's okay. The shortest drive home was 50 miles, the
longest around 75. No drinking & driving!
--
bill_n

"jmcquown" wrote in message news
On 4/29/2017 6:36 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 14:25:44 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 4/29/2017 11:12 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>>>
>>> LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
>>> Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>>>
>> I never did understand the propensity for adding beer to a pot of
>> steaming crabs.
>>
>> Jill
>
> People do that now when cooking brats and they claim that it is the
> Wisconsin way. Yet I never heard of it when growing up. When serving
> a crowd across a period of time we used to have a large pot warming
> with melted butter and sliced onions that was used to keep the brats
> warm. Somewhere along the line someone decided to put beer in the
> pot. I dislike beer flavored brats wholeheartedly. I think that the
> taste of beer is far more pervasive and unpleasant in food than is
> wine.
> Janet US
>
Thank you! I prefer to just grill them bratwurst and no beer is involved.

Jill

==

As always, just a matter of taste My husband loves them in beer.

We don't all like the same things and there is nothing wrong with that.

As I always say, if we all liked the same things there wouldn't be enough to
go around

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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 4/29/2017 10:46 AM, Gary wrote:
> On 4/28/2017 5:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 4/28/2017 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Everyone there had wine with their meal except for me. They acted like
>>> I was some weirdo requesting water. Wine pared with a good meal is the
>>> ultimate TIAD to me.
>>>
>>
>> Any particular reason? Proper pairing is supposed to choose flavors
>> that complement each other. The wrong pairing can be bad though. Do
>> you drink wine alone or do you just not like wine? Nothing wrong with
>> that.
>>
>> IMO, water is the ultimate beverage and goes well with anything.
>
> I've just never liked any alcoholic beverage with any meal. Not wine with
> a meal and no beer with certain meals that people like to combine it with.
> Water only for me with meals.
>
> IMO, alcoholic beverages are best alone and not with food. It's a separate
> thing to do for me.
>
>

Fair enough, nothing wrong with personal choice. OTOH, I rarely have a
drink without food or a snack.

If I'm thirsty, water is the #1 choice. Beer is for pizza or a
sandwich. Steak calls for a good red wine, but bourbon goes well with
it too.

==

Spotted this and thought of this thread

http://www.bonappetit.com/story/food...OTYzODU1NjQ5S0



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In article >,
lid says...
>
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:12:06 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
> >On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
> >
> >LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
> >Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
> >
> >> You inability to pair your drinks with your food do not mean that
> >> alcoholic drinks are never good with food.
> >
> >Pairing drinks with food means your food is inferior and you need to get
> >a buzz on to enjoy them.
>
> And if you eat popcorn while you watch a movie, that means the movie
> isn't good enough to entertain you on its own?

No, it means you're hoping Sheldon won't kiss you.

Janet UK.

On Sun, 30 Apr 2017 11:59:22 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:12:06 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>> >On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>> >
>> >LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
>> >Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>> >
>> >> You inability to pair your drinks with your food do not mean that
>> >> alcoholic drinks are never good with food.
>> >
>> >Pairing drinks with food means your food is inferior and you need to get
>> >a buzz on to enjoy them.
>>
>> And if you eat popcorn while you watch a movie, that means the movie
>> isn't good enough to entertain you on its own?
>
> No, it means you're hoping Sheldon won't kiss you.

Is he trying again?

On 4/29/2017 2:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Apr 2017 11:12:06 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> On 4/29/2017 10:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> Wings are a waste of time without beer.
>>
>> LOL! Wanna bet? Try some good wings sometime.
>> Properly steamed and spiced crabs don't need beer either.
>>
>>> You inability to pair your drinks with your food do not mean that
>>> alcoholic drinks are never good with food.
>>
>> Pairing drinks with food means your food is inferior and you need to get
>> a buzz on to enjoy them.
>
> And if you eat popcorn while you watch a movie, that means the movie
> isn't good enough to entertain you on its own?
>
If the movie isn't good, quit watching it or....time to break out the
beer or wine. lol