On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:34:34 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"lucretia" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 06:26:25 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> I understand that, but it makes no sense to me for someone with such
>>>> a deadly allergy to allow themselves to be exposed to peanuts where
>>>> peanuts could literally be found almost anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> It's also grossly unfair for the vast majority of people (say, in a
>>>> large office) to not be allowed to have peanuts because just one
>>>> person is allergic. If that individual has a problem, then they
>>>> either should not be working there or they should work from home.
>>>>
>>>> Today's culture seems to allow for any possible disability, only to
>>>> make those not so disabled to suffer for it.
>>>>
>>>> If I want to eat a candy bar with peanuts, I will eat it.
>>>>
>>>> We used to socialize with a large group of acquaintances, one of whom
>>>> claimed to be highly sensitive to wheat gluten. These gatherings
>>>> were frequently potluch affairs. It was an accepted pracatice for
>>>> anyone bringing a food to the potluck that it not include anything
>>>> with gluten. Considering how many things contain gluten, a lot of
>>>> really good food choices were never brought to these affairs. In
>>>> this case it was rediculous, because the person with the allerge had
>>>> only to choose from everything else that would not have had gluten.
>>>> I always made a point of bringing beverages or disposable
>>>> dishware/flatware, and stating that I would have gladly baked a cake,
>>>> but I don't use gluten-free flour. Utter nonsense!!!
>>>>
>>>> If we happened to go to a restaurant, it was noticed by many that the
>>>> allergic individual did in fact eat dishes that contained gluten.
>>>> What an asshole.
>>>>
>>>> This entire allergy issue simply ****es me off.
>>>
>>>I never knew a single person that had allergies when I was a kid, not one.
>>>Peanut butter sandwiches were rampant I tell you, simply rampant, home
>>>baked
>>>cupcakes were sent to school for parties etc., and nobody ever went to a
>>>friends house with a note to tell their mother what they could and
>>>couldn't
>>>have for snacks. LOL
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>> I remember a friend of my grandson coming with him to enjoy our beach.
>> Sensible mum had included an epi pen with his gear because he was
>> deadly allergic to bee/wasps stings. Before he went in he showed it
>> to me, told me how to use it, then it was forgotten. It was good
>> thinnking on her part to train him because we had a drystone wall and
>> frequently wasps and squirrels nested in them.
>>
>> I expect you've seen doctors are urging mothers to forget the peanut
>> butter hysteria and tell them the younger they start to eat it the
>> less likelihood of reaction. Part of the problem was the idea in the
>> 80s that babies not be fed anything solid before they were about a
>> year old. I had suggested to my daughter she give her eldest son some
>> Pablum at night because he always woke in the middle of the night
>> hungry. He was 9 1/2 lbs at birth so milk didn't seem much for him
>> My SIIL was horrified but when I stayed with her when he was away on a
>> business trip, I took Pablum with me and he started sleeping through!
>> My younger granddaughter was at her other grandmothers home and I went
>> to pick her up. She asked me to come in while she finished giving her
>> some supper. She was enjoying a boiled egg - I remarked that her
>> daughter and mine had both said babies were not supposed to eat eggs
>> anymore. We had a good laugh and as she said, the baby could tell no
>> tales as she wasn't talking yet They have all grown up as very
>> healthy individuals.
>
>
>Yes, when my kids were babies in the 60's the doctor started them on cereal
>like pablum at 3 months old, and many soft type foods followed. True, about
>no tales. LOL
>
>Cheri

Before my daughter had teeth she was gumming spaghetti by the two
handed fistful... made a mess under the highchair but that's what
cheap plastic shower curtains were for.

> wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:34:34 -0700, "Cheri" >

>>Yes, when my kids were babies in the 60's the doctor started them on
>>cereal
>>like pablum at 3 months old, and many soft type foods followed. True,
>>about
>>no tales. LOL
>>
>>Cheri
>
> Before my daughter had teeth she was gumming spaghetti by the two
> handed fistful... made a mess under the highchair but that's what
> cheap plastic shower curtains were for.

I guess we were just *terrible* parents then. ;-)

Cheri

On 6/15/2017 9:37 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>>>
>>> If we happened to go to a restaurant, it was noticed by many that
>>> the allergic individual did in fact eat dishes that contained
>>> gluten. What an asshole.
>>>
>>> This entire allergy issue simply ****es me off.
>>
>> I never knew a single person that had allergies when I was a kid,
>> not one. Peanut butter sandwiches were rampant I tell you, simply
>> rampant, home baked cupcakes were sent to school for parties etc.,
>> and nobody ever went to a friends house with a note to tell their
>> mother what they could and couldn't have for snacks. LOL
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>
> I had the same experiences, Cheri. There was never a fuss about food
> or what it contained. People only fussed about something they didn't
> like.
>
> When I was a kid I wasn't overly fond of chocolae chip cookies, but I
> loved peanut butter cookies. My mother always packed quite a few in
> my lunchbox, as she knew that some of the other kids would end up
> getting some of them.
>
> Babies that were beyond the bottle-feeding stage were virtually
> always given bits of many foods to taste and learn to eat what the
> family ate. IMO, many kids are being raised in such a rarified
> environment that they never built up a wel-develope immune system.
> No wonder they're sick all the time.
>

When my daughter was in high school her best friend said she was
allergic to eggs. If she stayed over, she never touched one but always
made a big fuss. I'd laugh every time she had pancakes, pound cake
lemon meringue pie, and on and on.

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:50:57 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/15/2017 9:37 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> If we happened to go to a restaurant, it was noticed by many that
>>>> the allergic individual did in fact eat dishes that contained
>>>> gluten. What an asshole.
>>>>
>>>> This entire allergy issue simply ****es me off.
>>>
>>> I never knew a single person that had allergies when I was a kid,
>>> not one. Peanut butter sandwiches were rampant I tell you, simply
>>> rampant, home baked cupcakes were sent to school for parties etc.,
>>> and nobody ever went to a friends house with a note to tell their
>>> mother what they could and couldn't have for snacks. LOL
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I had the same experiences, Cheri. There was never a fuss about food
>> or what it contained. People only fussed about something they didn't
>> like.
>>
>> When I was a kid I wasn't overly fond of chocolae chip cookies, but I
>> loved peanut butter cookies. My mother always packed quite a few in
>> my lunchbox, as she knew that some of the other kids would end up
>> getting some of them.
>>
>> Babies that were beyond the bottle-feeding stage were virtually
>> always given bits of many foods to taste and learn to eat what the
>> family ate. IMO, many kids are being raised in such a rarified
>> environment that they never built up a wel-develope immune system.
>> No wonder they're sick all the time.
>>
>
>When my daughter was in high school her best friend said she was
>allergic to eggs. If she stayed over, she never touched one but always
>made a big fuss. I'd laugh every time she had pancakes, pound cake
>lemon meringue pie, and on and on.

It's possible. The concentration of "egg" in an egg is much higher
than in a pie or a pancake. Most likely, though, they should have used
the word sensitivity or intolerance rather than allergy.

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>news
>> On 6/15/2017 9:26 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> I never knew a single person that had allergies when I was a kid, not
>>> one. Peanut butter sandwiches were rampant I tell you, simply rampant,
>>> home baked cupcakes were sent to school for parties etc., and nobody
>>> ever went to a friends house with a note to tell their mother what they
>>> could and couldn't have for snacks. LOL
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> "Rampant" is a great word! I never knew anybody who had peanut allergies,
>> either.
>>
>> I pretty much took a PB sandwich to school every day from 1st grade to
>> 6th. So did many of my classmates.
>>
>> Home baked treats were common in lunch boxes. No one worried about
>> ingredients or allergies. Kids didn't go into anaphylactic (sp?) shock.
>> Wheezing and need an epi-pen injection simply because someone brought a PB
>> sandwich near them.
>>
>> I'm a military brat. Never once in all the elementary schools I attended
>> did I encounter a classmate who had a peanut allergy. I don't know anyone
>> *now* who has any kind of nut allergy.
>>
>> Doesn't mean peanut allergies don't exist. Just saying I think they're
>> trying to sell more epi-pens.
>
>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.

Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness". That
sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:11:35 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-06-15 4:19 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> My mom did tell me that her friend's adult son had an allergy to water.
>
>I guess it runs in the family.
>Back into the bozo bin.

People are generally not related to their friend's adult son.

(Showing of your killfile in public is soooo lame.)

On 6/15/2017 6:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
> I'd prefer that to walking into a rogue fatal peanut.

Given some good imagination, "A Rogue Fatal Peanut," could potentially
be an Oscar winning movie. ;-D

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:55:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 6/15/2017 6:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> I'd prefer that to walking into a rogue fatal peanut.
>
>Given some good imagination, "A Rogue Fatal Peanut," could potentially
>be an Oscar winning movie. ;-D

Yes, with Glenn Close as the peanut

"Cheri" wrote in message news
> wrote in message
news
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:34:34 -0700, "Cheri" >

>>Yes, when my kids were babies in the 60's the doctor started them on
>>cereal
>>like pablum at 3 months old, and many soft type foods followed. True,
>>about
>>no tales. LOL
>>
>>Cheri
>
> Before my daughter had teeth she was gumming spaghetti by the two
> handed fistful... made a mess under the highchair but that's what
> cheap plastic shower curtains were for.

I guess we were just *terrible* parents then. ;-)

Cheri

==

In that case, so was I ... ;-)




--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
9.44...

On Thu 15 Jun 2017 07:17:06a, Dave Smith told us...

> On 2017-06-15 5:19 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> We used to socialize with a large group of acquaintances, one of
>> whom claimed to be highly sensitive to wheat gluten. These
>> gatherings were frequently potluch affairs. It was an accepted
>> pracatice for anyone bringing a food to the potluck that it not
>> include anything with gluten. Considering how many things
>> contain gluten, a lot of really good food choices were never
>> brought to these affairs. In this case it was rediculous,
>> because the person with the allerge had only to choose from
>> everything else that would not have had gluten. I always made a
>> point of bringing beverages or disposable dishware/flatware, and
>> stating that I would have gladly baked a cake, but I don't use
>> gluten-free flour. Utter nonsense!!!
>>
>> If we happened to go to a restaurant, it was noticed by many that
>> the allergic individual did in fact eat dishes that contained
>> gluten. What an asshole.
>>
>> This entire allergy issue simply ****es me off.
>
> I have a number of food issues. I am lactose intolerant. When I
> had a bad gall bladder I could not eat acidic foods like tomatoes
> and citrus. I have issues with nuts. I have been to lots of pot
> luck dinners and always been able to cope. I simply didn't eat
> the foods that really bothered me and had small amounts of the
> things I could almost tolerate. I never expected everyone to bring
> only the things I could eat and certainly never expected people
> not to bring the things I liked. I didn't go to Italian
> restaurants where most of the menu involves variation of a tomato
> sauce.
>
> I am all for diversity, acceptance and tolerance, but I reject the
> notion that people have a right to be offended.
>>
>
>

Thanks, Dave! I would expect your attitude to be more pravalent.
Unfortunately, it's not.


Wayne Boatwright

==

After I had my gall bladder removed, I was told there were various foods I
wouldn't be able to eat. I could!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:18:52 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
>news
>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:34:34 -0700, "Cheri" >
>
>>>Yes, when my kids were babies in the 60's the doctor started them on
>>>cereal
>>>like pablum at 3 months old, and many soft type foods followed. True,
>>>about
>>>no tales. LOL
>>>
>>>Cheri
>>
>> Before my daughter had teeth she was gumming spaghetti by the two
>> handed fistful... made a mess under the highchair but that's what
>> cheap plastic shower curtains were for.
>
>I guess we were just *terrible* parents then. ;-)
>
>Cheri

We lived in Hollywood CA at the time and there was a Kosher deli two
blocks away. Whenever I brought my daughter there they'd give her two
frankfurters, one for each hand and were amazed at how she enjoyed
them and she only had two teeth barely in... they enjoyed watching her
eat so much that whatever she ate was on the house. We never heard
about all these weird allergies back in the '60s, every kid I ever met
enjoyed Cracker Jacks with PEANUTS,

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On 6/15/2017 9:26 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> I never knew a single person that had allergies when I was a kid, not
>>>> one. Peanut butter sandwiches were rampant I tell you, simply rampant,
>>>> home baked cupcakes were sent to school for parties etc., and nobody
>>>> ever went to a friends house with a note to tell their mother what they
>>>> could and couldn't have for snacks. LOL
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> "Rampant" is a great word! I never knew anybody who had peanut
>>> allergies,
>>> either.
>>>
>>> I pretty much took a PB sandwich to school every day from 1st grade to
>>> 6th. So did many of my classmates.
>>>
>>> Home baked treats were common in lunch boxes. No one worried about
>>> ingredients or allergies. Kids didn't go into anaphylactic (sp?) shock.
>>> Wheezing and need an epi-pen injection simply because someone brought a
>>> PB
>>> sandwich near them.
>>>
>>> I'm a military brat. Never once in all the elementary schools I
>>> attended
>>> did I encounter a classmate who had a peanut allergy. I don't know
>>> anyone
>>> *now* who has any kind of nut allergy.
>>>
>>> Doesn't mean peanut allergies don't exist. Just saying I think they're
>>> trying to sell more epi-pens.
>>
>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>
> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness". That
> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.


I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of anything they
ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto accidents, and
one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming ill with
various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring chickens
anymore.

Cheri

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>>
>> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness". That
>> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
>
>I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of anything they
>ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto accidents, and
>one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming ill with
>various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring chickens
>anymore.

I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
bones.

In article >, says...

> I never knew a single person that had allergies when I was a kid, not one.

Neither did I. But that doesn't mean allergy didn't exist; just that
it wasn't recognised; medical diagnosis and treatment back then, was
very limited.

My mother's generation all knew women who lost "sickly" children, or
whose babies and small children had "croup" ( untreated asthma),
sometimes fatal).

Janet UK

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 00:42:47 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>
>> I never knew a single person that had allergies when I was a kid, not one.
>
> Neither did I. But that doesn't mean allergy didn't exist; just that
>it wasn't recognised; medical diagnosis and treatment back then, was
>very limited.
>
> My mother's generation all knew women who lost "sickly" children, or
>whose babies and small children had "croup" ( untreated asthma),
>sometimes fatal).
>
> Janet UK

Croup is not 'untreated asthma' - it's a totally distinct condition
which if you had ever heard a child with croup you would know does not
sound like asthma at all.

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:45:01 -0400, wrote:

<snip>
>
>Before my daughter had teeth she was gumming spaghetti by the two
>handed fistful... made a mess under the highchair but that's what
>cheap plastic shower curtains were for.

And small dogs!

JB

On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
> >>
> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness". That
> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
> >
> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of anything they
> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto accidents, and
> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming ill with
> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring chickens
> >anymore.
>
> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
> bones.

Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.

As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
diagnosed.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 03:33:22 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>> >>
>> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness". That
>> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
>> >
>> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of anything they
>> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto accidents, and
>> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming ill with
>> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring chickens
>> >anymore.
>>
>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
>> bones.
>
>Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
>significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.

True, but anecdotal is all I have to offer.

>As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
>You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
>diagnosed.

That would definitely have been possible, but I don't personally know
of any deceased babies in the past 75 years. That's again only
anecdotal, of course.

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>> >>
>> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness". That
>> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
>> >
>> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of anything
>> >they
>> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto accidents,
>> >and
>> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming ill
>> >with
>> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring chickens
>> >anymore.
>>
>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
>> bones.
>
> Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
> significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
>
> As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
> You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
> diagnosed.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would be
impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things in this
life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.

Cheri

On 6/15/2017 5:49 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 15 Jun 2017 10:50:57a, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>
>>
>> When my daughter was in high school her best friend said she was
>> allergic to eggs. If she stayed over, she never touched one but
>> always made a big fuss. I'd laugh every time she had pancakes,
>> pound cake lemon meringue pie, and on and on.
>>
>
> Well, it didn't "look" like an egg. :-)
>
Eggzactly!

Jill

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 8:53:06 AM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> .. .
> >> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
> >> >>
> >> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness". That
> >> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
> >> >
> >> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of anything
> >> >they
> >> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto accidents,
> >> >and
> >> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming ill
> >> >with
> >> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring chickens
> >> >anymore.
> >>
> >> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
> >> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
> >> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
> >> bones.
> >
> > Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
> > significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
> >
> > As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
> > You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
> > diagnosed.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
>
> Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
> example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
> experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would be
> impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things in this
> life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.
>
> Cheri

Sorry. I consider it meaningless to talk about "In my day,
nobody had allergies and nobody died of it" on such thin
data.

Cindy Hamilton

On 6/16/2017 8:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>>> >>
>>> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness".
>>> That
>>> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
>>> >
>>> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of
>>> anything >they
>>> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto
>>> accidents, >and
>>> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming
>>> ill >with
>>> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring
>>> chickens
>>> >anymore.
>>>
>>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
>>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
>>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
>>> bones.
>>
>> Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
>> significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
>>
>> As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
>> You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
>> diagnosed.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>
> Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
> example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
> experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would
> be impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things
> in this life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.
>
> Cheri

Nope, we weren't talking about statistics. Merely life experiences. I
went to a lot of schools (Dad was a Marine, we moved every year or two
until he retired). I never encountered a friend or classmate who had a
peanut allergy. Perhaps Cindy has. But is that statistically relevant?

Jill

On 6/16/2017 9:02 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 8:53:06 AM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness". That
>>>>>> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of anything
>>>>> they
>>>>> ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto accidents,
>>>>> and
>>>>> one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming ill
>>>>> with
>>>>> various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring chickens
>>>>> anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
>>>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
>>>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
>>>> bones.
>>>
>>> Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
>>> significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
>>>
>>> As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
>>> You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
>>> diagnosed.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>
>> Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
>> example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
>> experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would be
>> impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things in this
>> life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Sorry. I consider it meaningless to talk about "In my day,
> nobody had allergies and nobody died of it" on such thin
> data.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
We're not talking about "data". We're having a discussion. If you want
to gather data, put together a fair sampling of people who grew up in
the 1950's and 60's and ask them if they or any of their friends were
allergic to peanuts. Then put together a group of people who grew up in
the 1980's, 90's and ask them the same questions.

Heck, even airlines have resumed giving out packets of peanuts. For a
while they stopped that, opting for pretzels instead (OMG, might contain
*gluten*!). An airplane is basically an enclosed metal tube with
recirculated air. If so many people were allergic to peanuts it would
stand to reason lots of passengers would have reactions to peanut dust
or whatever. Never seen anything like that.

Not statiscially sound data, obviously. Merely an observation. I've
flown quite a bit.

Jill

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
> On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 8:53:06 AM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> >> .. .
>> >> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness".
>> >> >> That
>> >> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
>> >> >
>> >> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of
>> >> >anything
>> >> >they
>> >> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto accidents,
>> >> >and
>> >> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming ill
>> >> >with
>> >> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring
>> >> >chickens
>> >> >anymore.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
>> >> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
>> >> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
>> >> bones.
>> >
>> > Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
>> > significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
>> >
>> > As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a
>> > baby.
>> > You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
>> > diagnosed.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>
>> Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
>> example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
>> experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would
>> be
>> impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things in
>> this
>> life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Sorry. I consider it meaningless to talk about "In my day,
> nobody had allergies and nobody died of it" on such thin
> data.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Sorry. I said NOBODY I KNEW, so I consider your response not only thin but
completely meaningless for any day, any time.

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/16/2017 8:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>> .. .
>>>> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness".
>>>> That
>>>> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
>>>> >
>>>> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of
>>>> anything >they
>>>> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto
>>>> accidents, >and
>>>> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming
>>>> ill >with
>>>> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring
>>>> chickens
>>>> >anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
>>>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
>>>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
>>>> bones.
>>>
>>> Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
>>> significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
>>>
>>> As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
>>> You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
>>> diagnosed.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>
>> Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
>> example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
>> experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would
>> be impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things
>> in this life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Nope, we weren't talking about statistics. Merely life experiences. I
> went to a lot of schools (Dad was a Marine, we moved every year or two
> until he retired). I never encountered a friend or classmate who had a
> peanut allergy. Perhaps Cindy has. But is that statistically relevant?
>
>
> Jill


LOL, not relevant at all.

Cheri

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:38:37 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/16/2017 8:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>> .. .
>>>> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness".
>>>> That
>>>> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
>>>> >
>>>> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of
>>>> anything >they
>>>> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto
>>>> accidents, >and
>>>> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming
>>>> ill >with
>>>> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring
>>>> chickens
>>>> >anymore.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
>>>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
>>>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
>>>> bones.
>>>
>>> Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
>>> significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
>>>
>>> As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
>>> You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
>>> diagnosed.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>
>> Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
>> example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
>> experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would
>> be impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things
>> in this life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>Nope, we weren't talking about statistics. Merely life experiences. I
>went to a lot of schools (Dad was a Marine, we moved every year or two
>until he retired). I never encountered a friend or classmate who had a
>peanut allergy. Perhaps Cindy has. But is that statistically relevant?
>
>Jill

It's only been relatively recent (past 20 years)
that Allergists had the means to accurately diagnose allergies. Also
many allergies develop through exposure to the allergen so can occur
throughout one's lifetime.

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 6/16/2017 8:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
> > "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >>> .. .
> >>> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness".
> >>> That
> >>> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
> >>> >
> >>> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of
> >>> anything >they
> >>> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto
> >>> accidents, >and
> >>> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming
> >>> ill >with
> >>> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring
> >>> chickens
> >>> >anymore.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
> >>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
> >>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
> >>> bones.
> >>
> >> Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
> >> significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
> >>
> >> As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
> >> You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
> >> diagnosed.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >
> > Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
> > example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
> > experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would
> > be impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things
> > in this life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> Nope, we weren't talking about statistics. Merely life experiences. I
> went to a lot of schools (Dad was a Marine, we moved every year or two
> until he retired). I never encountered a friend or classmate who had a
> peanut allergy. Perhaps Cindy has. But is that statistically relevant?

It's not about statistics, as such. It's about expecting that
a small sample matters. People might have been dropping
dead of allergies left, right, and center when we were young,
but because we only knew about 100 people, what we saw is
irrelevant to discussing whether there are more people with
allergies nowadays.

I never saw a black student in my elementary school. Does that
mean that no black children went to school?

Cindy Hamilton

On 6/16/2017 12:57 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 6/16/2017 8:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness".
>>>>> That
>>>>>>> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of
>>>>> anything >they
>>>>>> ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto
>>>>> accidents, >and
>>>>>> one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming
>>>>> ill >with
>>>>>> various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring
>>>>> chickens
>>>>>> anymore.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
>>>>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
>>>>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
>>>>> bones.
>>>>
>>>> Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
>>>> significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
>>>>
>>>> As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
>>>> You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
>>>> diagnosed.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>>
>>> Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
>>> example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
>>> experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would
>>> be impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things
>>> in this life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Nope, we weren't talking about statistics. Merely life experiences. I
>> went to a lot of schools (Dad was a Marine, we moved every year or two
>> until he retired). I never encountered a friend or classmate who had a
>> peanut allergy. Perhaps Cindy has. But is that statistically relevant?
>
> It's not about statistics, as such. It's about expecting that
> a small sample matters. People might have been dropping
> dead of allergies left, right, and center when we were young,
> but because we only knew about 100 people, what we saw is
> irrelevant to discussing whether there are more people with
> allergies nowadays.
>
> I never saw a black student in my elementary school. Does that
> mean that no black children went to school?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Now you're picking at nits. I went to school in many different states.
There were children of all races in every school I attended.

You're the one who thinks this discussion needs to be reduced to numbers.

Jill

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:57:56 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>> On 6/16/2017 8:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> > "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> >>> .. .
>> >>> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> >>> >> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness".
>> >>> That
>> >>> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of
>> >>> anything >they
>> >>> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto
>> >>> accidents, >and
>> >>> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming
>> >>> ill >with
>> >>> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring
>> >>> chickens
>> >>> >anymore.
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
>> >>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
>> >>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
>> >>> bones.
>> >>
>> >> Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
>> >> significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
>> >>
>> >> As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
>> >> You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
>> >> diagnosed.
>> >>
>> >> Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> >
>> > Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
>> > example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
>> > experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would
>> > be impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things
>> > in this life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.
>> >
>> > Cheri
>>
>> Nope, we weren't talking about statistics. Merely life experiences. I
>> went to a lot of schools (Dad was a Marine, we moved every year or two
>> until he retired). I never encountered a friend or classmate who had a
>> peanut allergy. Perhaps Cindy has. But is that statistically relevant?
>
>It's not about statistics, as such. It's about expecting that
>a small sample matters. People might have been dropping
>dead of allergies left, right, and center when we were young,
>but because we only knew about 100 people, what we saw is
>irrelevant to discussing whether there are more people with
>allergies nowadays.

Wasn't all that long ago, ~20 years, when most allergies were not
diagnosed, and for the most part allergy symptoms were attributed to
other illnesses... many food allergies were shrugged off with the
hayfevor blanket.

>I never saw a black student in my elementary school. Does that
>mean that no black children went to school?
>
>Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 1:12:34 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 6/16/2017 12:57 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> >> On 6/16/2017 8:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >>> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness".
> >>>>> That
> >>>>>>> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of
> >>>>> anything >they
> >>>>>> ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto
> >>>>> accidents, >and
> >>>>>> one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming
> >>>>> ill >with
> >>>>>> various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring
> >>>>> chickens
> >>>>>> anymore.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
> >>>>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
> >>>>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
> >>>>> bones.
> >>>>
> >>>> Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
> >>>> significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
> >>>>
> >>>> As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
> >>>> You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
> >>>> diagnosed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
> >>> example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
> >>> experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would
> >>> be impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things
> >>> in this life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.
> >>>
> >>> Cheri
> >>
> >> Nope, we weren't talking about statistics. Merely life experiences. I
> >> went to a lot of schools (Dad was a Marine, we moved every year or two
> >> until he retired). I never encountered a friend or classmate who had a
> >> peanut allergy. Perhaps Cindy has. But is that statistically relevant?
> >
> > It's not about statistics, as such. It's about expecting that
> > a small sample matters. People might have been dropping
> > dead of allergies left, right, and center when we were young,
> > but because we only knew about 100 people, what we saw is
> > irrelevant to discussing whether there are more people with
> > allergies nowadays.
> >
> > I never saw a black student in my elementary school. Does that
> > mean that no black children went to school?
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> Now you're picking at nits. I went to school in many different states.

It was an analogy. An example. I was trying for a non-numeric
example for the point I was trying to make.

> You're the one who thinks this discussion needs to be reduced to numbers.

It's not about numbers. It's about proportion. We were
talking about the seeming increase in allergies from "then"
until "now". Although it's probable that the number of
allergy sufferers has increased, it doesn't make a lick
of sense to say "when I was young I didn't know anybody
who had allergies, therefore the number of people with
allergies has increased".

The proportion of "people someone knew as a kid" to
"all people who might have suffered allergies when I was a kid"
is so small that no conclusion can be drawn from it.

Well, I think I'm done for now. In the face of insurmountable
innumeracy, I have to concede.

Cindy Hamilton

Sheldon wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:57:56 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Friday, June 16, 2017 at 9:38:54 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> >> On 6/16/2017 8:52 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >> > "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> >>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >> >>> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> >> >>> .. .
> >> >>> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness".
> >> >>> That
> >> >>> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of
> >> >>> anything >they
> >> >>> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto
> >> >>> accidents, >and
> >> >>> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming
> >> >>> ill >with
> >> >>> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring
> >> >>> chickens
> >> >>> >anymore.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
> >> >>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
> >> >>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
> >> >>> bones.
> >> >>
> >> >> Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
> >> >> significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
> >> >>
> >> >> As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
> >> >> You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
> >> >> diagnosed.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
> >> > example?" I simply said...none of MY friends did, I can't speak for your
> >> > experiences, nor would I want to take exception to them since that would
> >> > be impossible. On a side note, I'm sure there are a multitude of things
> >> > in this life that I never knew happened...and that you never knew either.
> >> >
> >> > Cheri
> >>
> >> Nope, we weren't talking about statistics. Merely life experiences. I
> >> went to a lot of schools (Dad was a Marine, we moved every year or two
> >> until he retired). I never encountered a friend or classmate who had a
> >> peanut allergy. Perhaps Cindy has. But is that statistically relevant?
> >
> >It's not about statistics, as such. It's about expecting that
> >a small sample matters. People might have been dropping
> >dead of allergies left, right, and center when we were young,
> >but because we only knew about 100 people, what we saw is
> >irrelevant to discussing whether there are more people with
> >allergies nowadays.
>
> Wasn't all that long ago, ~20 years, when most allergies were not
> diagnosed, and for the most part allergy symptoms were attributed to
> other illnesses... many food allergies were shrugged off with the
> hayfevor blanket.


I've heard some reports even of gals being "allergic" to fruit - flavored condoms...it's probably an excuse for not learning to control their gag reflexes.


--
Best
Greg

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 05:52:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thursday, June 15, 2017 at 6:22:55 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:09:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>> >> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:36:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>Yes, and JFTR none of them died of "mysterious illnesses" either.
>>> >>
>>> >> Who knows what doctors called it. Maybe not "mysterious illness". That
>>> >> sounds rather ignorant on the doctor's part. Can't have that.
>>> >
>>> >I can tell you for a 100% fact that none of my friends died of anything
>>> >they
>>> >ate while young. However, a couple of them did die in auto accidents,
>>> >and
>>> >one was hit by a school bus. These days some of them are becoming ill
>>> >with
>>> >various maladies, and some have died, but none of us are spring chickens
>>> >anymore.
>>>
>>> I don't know, directly or indirectly, anyone who died of what they ate
>>> either. Although the uncle of a friend of mine choked to death on a
>>> fishbone decades ago. To this day, that friend doesn't eat fish with
>>> bones.
>>
>> Honestly, you two. Your circle of friends is not a statistically
>> significant sample. Anecdote does not equal data.
>>
>> As an example, suppose one of your cohort died of anaphylaxis as a baby.
>> You might never know it happened. It might never have been properly
>> diagnosed.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>
>Honestly, you. Did anyone say they were "a statistically significant
>example?"

"Scientific Cindy"

(...)

On 6/16/2017 2:56 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


>>>
>>> I never saw a black student in my elementary school. Does that
>>> mean that no black children went to school?
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> Now you're picking at nits. I went to school in many different states.
>
> It was an analogy. An example. I was trying for a non-numeric
> example for the point I was trying to make.
>
>> You're the one who thinks this discussion needs to be reduced to numbers.
>
> It's not about numbers. It's about proportion. We were
> talking about the seeming increase in allergies from "then"
> until "now". Although it's probable that the number of
> allergy sufferers has increased, it doesn't make a lick
> of sense to say "when I was young I didn't know anybody
> who had allergies, therefore the number of people with
> allergies has increased".
>
> The proportion of "people someone knew as a kid" to
> "all people who might have suffered allergies when I was a kid"
> is so small that no conclusion can be drawn from it.
>
> Well, I think I'm done for now. In the face of insurmountable
> innumeracy, I have to concede.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Don't concede yet. There were no black kids in my school either. I'm
pretty sure we have proof they did not go to school. We had no peanut
allergies either!

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:27:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/16/2017 2:56 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>> I never saw a black student in my elementary school. Does that
>>>> mean that no black children went to school?
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> Now you're picking at nits. I went to school in many different states.
>>
>> It was an analogy. An example. I was trying for a non-numeric
>> example for the point I was trying to make.
>>
>>> You're the one who thinks this discussion needs to be reduced to numbers.
>>
>> It's not about numbers. It's about proportion. We were
>> talking about the seeming increase in allergies from "then"
>> until "now". Although it's probable that the number of
>> allergy sufferers has increased, it doesn't make a lick
>> of sense to say "when I was young I didn't know anybody
>> who had allergies, therefore the number of people with
>> allergies has increased".
>>
>> The proportion of "people someone knew as a kid" to
>> "all people who might have suffered allergies when I was a kid"
>> is so small that no conclusion can be drawn from it.
>>
>> Well, I think I'm done for now. In the face of insurmountable
>> innumeracy, I have to concede.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
>Don't concede yet. There were no black kids in my school either. I'm
>pretty sure we have proof they did not go to school. We had no peanut
>allergies either!
Maybe the black kids did though RDH

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:27:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/16/2017 2:56 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>> I never saw a black student in my elementary school. Does that
>>>> mean that no black children went to school?
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> Now you're picking at nits. I went to school in many different states.
>>
>> It was an analogy. An example. I was trying for a non-numeric
>> example for the point I was trying to make.
>>
>>> You're the one who thinks this discussion needs to be reduced to numbers.
>>
>> It's not about numbers. It's about proportion. We were
>> talking about the seeming increase in allergies from "then"
>> until "now". Although it's probable that the number of
>> allergy sufferers has increased, it doesn't make a lick
>> of sense to say "when I was young I didn't know anybody
>> who had allergies, therefore the number of people with
>> allergies has increased".
>>
>> The proportion of "people someone knew as a kid" to
>> "all people who might have suffered allergies when I was a kid"
>> is so small that no conclusion can be drawn from it.
>>
>> Well, I think I'm done for now. In the face of insurmountable
>> innumeracy, I have to concede.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>Don't concede yet. There were no black kids in my school either. I'm
>pretty sure we have proof they did not go to school. We had no peanut
>allergies either!

There were plenty of black kids in my Brooklyn schools, but I didn't
think any were attractive except for the well endowed 14+ year old
gals. However I don't think any newborn human baby is attractive, in
fact I don't think any creature is more ugli... any newborn mammal
critter is more attractive than any newborn human. A newborn goat is
far more attractive than any newborn human.

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:45:23 -0300, lucretia
> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:27:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 6/16/2017 2:56 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>> It's not about numbers. It's about proportion. We were
>>> talking about the seeming increase in allergies from "then"
>>> until "now". Although it's probable that the number of
>>> allergy sufferers has increased, it doesn't make a lick
>>> of sense to say "when I was young I didn't know anybody
>>> who had allergies, therefore the number of people with
>>> allergies has increased".
>>>
>>> The proportion of "people someone knew as a kid" to
>>> "all people who might have suffered allergies when I was a kid"
>>> is so small that no conclusion can be drawn from it.
>>>
>>> Well, I think I'm done for now. In the face of insurmountable
>>> innumeracy, I have to concede.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>>Don't concede yet. There were no black kids in my school either. I'm
>>pretty sure we have proof they did not go to school. We had no peanut
>>allergies either!
>Maybe the black kids did though RDH

Yes, we now have statistical proof that black kids are so much more
prone to lethal peanut allergies that they don't even make it to
school. Cindy will be proud of us.

On 6/15/2017 3:56 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:55:15 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> On 6/15/2017 6:18 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> I'd prefer that to walking into a rogue fatal peanut.
>>
>> Given some good imagination, "A Rogue Fatal Peanut," could potentially
>> be an Oscar winning movie. ;-D
>
> Yes, with Glenn Close as the peanut

I thought about that later and realized...the heck with a movie, that
would be a cool new band name.