On 6/21/2017 8:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 2017-06-21 5:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>
>>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
>>>> didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
>>>> food, imo.
>>>>
>>> No offense taken. She grew up eating pretty bland food. So did
>>> Dad, for that matter. (He literally married the girl next door.)
>>> She hated to cook. Doesn't negate the fact he really couldn't
>>> taste much when he got older.
>>
>> My parents were born born in the 1920s and raised on bland Anglo
>> food. We were usually careful not to spice things up when they came
>> for dinner. One night when they came for dinner I cooked Tandoori
>> chicken. My father had never been much of a meat eater, and it was
>> the first time I ever saw him help himself to seconds. The next time
>> was when I grilled pork chops that had been rubbed with salt, pepper,
>> garlic powder, oregano and mint. He loved them.
>
> My FIL was almost in the opposite side. His wife was actually a very
> good cook, but tended to over spice. Not too badly, but just enough to
> be less optimal. Never hot spices, just a little 'too much of a good
> thing'. Clove was one of her favorites.
>
I can't think of the last time I used cloves for anything.

Jill

Am Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2017 05:13:35 UTC+2 schrieb Jill McQuown:

> I can't think of the last time I used cloves for anything.

Gingerbread?

Bye, Sanne.

"jmcquown" wrote in message news
On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> "Gary" wrote in message news >> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>>> much use of herbs and spices.
>>
>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>
> (fixed minor typo above).
>
> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
> might but it's not automatic.
>
Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.

To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
like the same things.

Pretty much the only seasonings my mom used when I was growing up was
salt & pepper. Occasionally garlic powder or onion powder. Herbs? Bay
leaf in the simmered pot roast and occasionally some parsley. My mom's
cooking mostly *was* pretty bland.

Jill

==
We love and I grow, mint, rosemary, sage and thyme.

I don't like to cover up the flavour of the food which is why I am careful
with the additions.


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"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> "Gary" wrote in message news >> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>> > much use of herbs and spices.
>>
>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>
>(fixed minor typo above).
>
>It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>might but it's not automatic.

I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it may
mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.

==

I can't even abide the smell of cinnamon



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On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:49:03 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> "Gary" wrote in message news >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>>> > much use of herbs and spices.
>>>
>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>
>>(fixed minor typo above).
>>
>>It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>>'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>>they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>>might but it's not automatic.
>
>I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it may
>mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.
>
>==
>
>I can't even abide the smell of cinnamon

I don't think I ever have it. From childhood, I remember a candy item
called cinnamon stick, that was ok back then. And maybe it's in
Glühwein? I'm not a fan of that.

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"jmcquown" wrote in message news >
>On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> "Gary" wrote in message news >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>>>> much use of herbs and spices.
>>>
>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>
>> (fixed minor typo above).
>>
>> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>> might but it's not automatic.
>>
>Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
>
>To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
>like the same things.

I think I could live without spices.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:49:03 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> "Gary" wrote in message news >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>>> > much use of herbs and spices.
>>>
>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>
>>(fixed minor typo above).
>>
>>It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>>'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>>they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>>might but it's not automatic.
>
>I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it may
>mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.
>
>==
>
>I can't even abide the smell of cinnamon

I don't think I ever have it. From childhood, I remember a candy item
called cinnamon stick, that was ok back then. And maybe it's in
Glühwein? I'm not a fan of that.

==

I don't know. Try and get hold of something with it in and see what you
think. You might like it because many here do.



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"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"jmcquown" wrote in message news >
>On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> "Gary" wrote in message news >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>>>> much use of herbs and spices.
>>>
>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>
>> (fixed minor typo above).
>>
>> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>> might but it's not automatic.
>>
>Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
>
>To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
>like the same things.

I think I could live without spices.

==

I do I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
whatever people are cooking.

I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us

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On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 8:43:12 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> >Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> "Gary" wrote in message news > >> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
> >> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
> >> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
> >> > much use of herbs and spices.
> >>
> >> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
> >> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
> >>
> >>
> >> ==
> >>
> >> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >
> >(fixed minor typo above).
> >
> >It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> >'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
> >they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
> >might but it's not automatic.
>
> I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it may
> mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.

Not necessarily. A lot of us use "spicy" for "hot". It's sometimes
difficult to distinguish a food redolent with spices, a food that
contains capsaicin, and a food whose temperature is too high.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:19:26 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>"jmcquown" wrote in message news >>
>>On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>>
>>> (fixed minor typo above).
>>>
>>> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>>> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>>> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>>> might but it's not automatic.
>>>
>>Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>>don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
>>
>>To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
>>like the same things.
>
>I think I could live without spices.
>
>==
>
>I do I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
>whatever people are cooking.
>
>I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us

Yes, I don't need cinnamon, cloves, mace, even pepper and what else
have you? But I love me hot chillies and garlic

On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 6:19:33 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> >"jmcquown" wrote in message news > >
> >On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>
> >>> "Gary" wrote in message news > >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
> >>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
> >>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
> >>>> much use of herbs and spices.
> >>>
> >>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
> >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ==
> >>>
> >>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >>
> >> (fixed minor typo above).
> >>
> >> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> >> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
> >> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
> >> might but it's not automatic.
> >>
> >Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
> >don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
> >
> >To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
> >like the same things.
>
> I think I could live without spices.
>
> ==
>
> I do I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
> whatever people are cooking.
>
> I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us

It's not about covering up. It's about enjoying the flavor of the
spices. I enjoy plain chicken. I enjoy curried chicken. It's
all good.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:41:47 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>>Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> "Gary" wrote in message news >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It didn't
>>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong with her pot
>>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she never really made
>>> > much use of herbs and spices.
>>>
>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he didn't
>>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy food, imo.
>>>
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>
>>(fixed minor typo above).
>>
>>It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>>'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>>they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>>might but it's not automatic.
>
>I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it may
>mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.

I'm glad you filtered out Canadians, don't know what makes her think
she knows about anything Canadian.

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > "Gary" wrote in message news > > > On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> > > > didn't help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> > > > with her pot roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> > > > never really made much use of herbs and spices.
> > >
> > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > food, imo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >
> > (fixed minor typo above).
> >
> > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> > when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> > Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
> Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
> don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a spice.
>
> To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't
> all like the same things.
>
> Pretty much the only seasonings my mom used when I was growing up was
> salt & pepper. Occasionally garlic powder or onion powder. Herbs?
> Bay leaf in the simmered pot roast and occasionally some parsley. My
> mom's cooking mostly was pretty bland.
>
> Jill
>
> > I tend to lump herbs in with 'spices' as a generic when I refer to
> > seasonings but Gary has them separate. List of things we'd call
> > 'spices' (not even remotely conclusive): garlic powder, cinnamon,
> > mace, nutmeg, sweet or hot paprika, pepper, cardamom, cumin,
> > mustard, fenugreek (seeds, ground), ginger, 'poulty seasoning' (a
> > ubiquitous blend here you might use in stuffing and many other
> > things), sesame seeds, anise seed (ground or whole or crushed),
> > tumeric, onion powder and so on it goes. I'm sure there are
> > hundreds of them that could be meant in a generic way with 'spices'
> > by us here.
> >

LOL, my Mom's was very bland. Her main 'spice' was salt. The black
pepper came out once a year. The only other was cinnamon blended with
sugar to be used on toast. She had some bay leaves she'd gotten before
I was born, that she used once a year until I was about 14.

Yes, I grew up in a culinary derth.

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"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:19:26 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>"jmcquown" wrote in message news >>
>>On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>>
>>> (fixed minor typo above).
>>>
>>> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>>> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that when
>>> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking. Sure, we
>>> might but it's not automatic.
>>>
>>Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>>don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
>>
>>To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
>>like the same things.
>
>I think I could live without spices.
>
>==
>
>I do I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
>whatever people are cooking.
>
>I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us

Yes, I don't need cinnamon, cloves, mace, even pepper and what else
have you? But I love me hot chillies and garlic

=

Oh yes, I love garlic too As for hot chillies, each to his her own

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Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:49:03 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> >>> "Gary" wrote in message news > >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> didn't >>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> with her pot >>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> never really made >>> > much use of herbs and spices.
> > > >
> >>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> food, imo.
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> ==
> > > >
> >>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> > >
> > > (fixed minor typo above).
> > >
> > > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean
> > > that when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be
> > > thinking. Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
> > I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it
> > may mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > I can't even abide the smell of cinnamon
>
> I don't think I ever have it. From childhood, I remember a candy item
> called cinnamon stick, that was ok back then. And maybe it's in
> Glühwein? I'm not a fan of that.

I gather some spices are more common in some areas but that one
suprises me. Not that you don't cook with it (many don't, I don't
except when it's in a mix unless to add to an apple pie), but to not
see it in a lot of bakery goods?

I had to google the Glühwein. Yes, uses a stick of cinnamon. Might be
a bit too much for your tastes.
--

On 6/22/2017 2:31 AM, sanne wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2017 05:13:35 UTC+2 schrieb Jill McQuown:
>
>> I can't think of the last time I used cloves for anything.
>
> Gingerbread?
>
> Bye, Sanne.
>
Probably so. That means over a decade ago.

Jill

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 08:46:30 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/22/2017 2:31 AM, sanne wrote:
>> Am Donnerstag, 22. Juni 2017 05:13:35 UTC+2 schrieb Jill McQuown:
>>
>>> I can't think of the last time I used cloves for anything.
>>
>> Gingerbread?
>>
>> Bye, Sanne.
>>
>Probably so. That means over a decade ago.
>
>Jill

I add one or two whole cloves to vegetable beef soup, spikes the
flavors without adding any detectable clove flavor... sticking cloves
into a small onion makes for easy retrieval.

Whole cloves are also good for easing the pain of a tooth ache until
you can get to a dentist... just place against the gum by the
offending tooth, it'll numb the area... easier to apply than oil of
clove that can be purchased OTC at any drug store.

Stud an orange with cloves to make a great pomander.

Stud a ham with cloves and bake... Virgina Ham... I sometimes stud a
can of Spam with cloves, apply brown ssugar, and nuke on med-lo til
heated through.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:49:03 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "Bruce" wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >
>> >On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > >
>> >>> "Gary" wrote in message news >> >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> >>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
>> didn't >>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
>> with her pot >>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
>> never really made >>> > much use of herbs and spices.
>> > > >
>> >>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
>> didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
>> food, imo.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >>> ==
>> > > >
>> >>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>> > >
>> > > (fixed minor typo above).
>> > >
>> > > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>> > > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean
>> > > that when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be
>> > > thinking. Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
>> >
>> > I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it
>> > may mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.
>> >
>> > ==
>> >
>> > I can't even abide the smell of cinnamon
>>
>> I don't think I ever have it. From childhood, I remember a candy item
>> called cinnamon stick, that was ok back then. And maybe it's in
>> Glühwein? I'm not a fan of that.
>
> I gather some spices are more common in some areas but that one
> suprises me. Not that you don't cook with it (many don't, I don't
> except when it's in a mix unless to add to an apple pie), but to not
> see it in a lot of bakery goods?
>
> I had to google the Glühwein. Yes, uses a stick of cinnamon. Might be
> a bit too much for your tastes.

Can't make a decent Snickerdoodle without it.

Cheri

Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 8:43:12 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > >> "Gary" wrote in message news > > >> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > >> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> > didn't >> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> > with her pot >> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> > never really made >> > much use of herbs and spices.
> > >>
> > >> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > didn't >> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > food, imo. >>
> > >>
> > >> ==
> > >>
> > >> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> > >
> > > (fixed minor typo above).
> > >
> > > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean
> > > that when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be
> > > thinking. Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
> > I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it
> > may mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.
>
> Not necessarily. A lot of us use "spicy" for "hot". It's sometimes
> difficult to distinguish a food redolent with spices, a food that
> contains capsaicin, and a food whose temperature is too high.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Sure Cindy, but I'm trying to say 'it's not automatic'. Savory can be
tricky with some parts of the world too (not sure why) but us
USA/Canada folks mean it the same way. I just don't want to trip up a
person overseas who means something different by it.

Here's an example that could be called Savory or Spicy but it's not at
all hot.

MMMMM----- Recipe via Meal-Master (tm) v8.05

Title: Xxcarol's sausage seasoning
Categories: Xxcarol, Sausage
Yield: 1 Servings

2 ts Salt
2 ts Anise seed
1 ts Black pepper
1 ts Oregano
1 ts Ginger
1 ts Thyme
1 ts Garlic powder
1/2 ts Onion powder
3/4 ts Hot hungarian paprika

Hi all, this mix can be doubled and tripled and stored in a jar for
use.

Add this to ground pork, mix well. I normally add about 1 TB to a
1.5lb of ground pork but taste test that to see if it's more than you
want.

I make it into patties and freeze as is to cook when ready.

From the VB Kitchen of xxcarol: typed up 8Mar16

MMMMM

Even 'Hot' paprika isnt 'hot' and in fact, I often used the milder
'sweet' if that comes to hand first. To make up in bulk, translate the
ts to TB. I keep it in a jar with the recipe printed on it.

If trying the recipe above, I recommend get 1.5lbs ground pork, then
separate to 1/3 portions and use 1 ts of the mix in 1/3 of it. Mix
well then cook a small bit and taste it. If too strong, take one of
the remaining 1/3 bits of pork and half that and mix it in well then
test a bit again. If that works, you want 2 ts for 1.5lbs of pork. To
my terminology, this is a 'spicy' with the distinct label of savory vs
hot. BTW, if I want a 'hot spicy' mix, I use Korean flaked red pepper
added to this. Chipotly blend will also work (practice with 1/4 ts of
either to the measures above and see how it works for you).

--

lucretia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:41:47 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> >>> "Gary" wrote in message news > >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> didn't >>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> with her pot >>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> never really made >>> > much use of herbs and spices.
> >>>
> >>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> food, imo. >>>
> >>>
> >>> ==
> >>>
> >>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> > >
> > > (fixed minor typo above).
> > >
> > > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean
> > > that when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be
> > > thinking. Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
> > I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it
> > may mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.
>
> I'm glad you filtered out Canadians, don't know what makes her think
> she knows about anything Canadian.

Got a lot of cooking friends up there. Been chatting with a couple of
them since 1988 via Fidonet (still am). While there are certainly
differences, linguistically they are less notable in the world of
cooking.

--

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > "Gary" wrote in message news > > > On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> > > > didn't help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> > > > with her pot roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> > > > never really made much use of herbs and spices.
> > >
> > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > food, imo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >
> > (fixed minor typo above).
> >
> > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> > when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> > Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
> Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
> don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a spice.

Well, thats their choice. Perhaps they had an overly hot sort of blend
once in a cracked fashion and they dislike it from then.
>
> To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't
> all like the same things.

True!

>
> Pretty much the only seasonings my mom used when I was growing up was
> salt & pepper. Occasionally garlic powder or onion powder. Herbs?
> Bay leaf in the simmered pot roast and occasionally some parsley. My
> mom's cooking mostly was pretty bland.

My Mom's definately was. The food wasn't terrible and was always
balanced and on time, but when kids pray for school lunches of the 60's
and TV dinners of the same era, you kinda got the picture ;-)



--

Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >
> On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > "Gary" wrote in message news > > > On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > > > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> > > > didn't help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> > > > with her pot roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> > > > never really made much use of herbs and spices.
> > >
> > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > food, imo.
> > >
> > >
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> >
> > (fixed minor typo above).
> >
> > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> > when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> > Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
> >
> Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
> don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a spice.
>
> To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't
> all like the same things.
>
> Pretty much the only seasonings my mom used when I was growing up was
> salt & pepper. Occasionally garlic powder or onion powder. Herbs?
> Bay leaf in the simmered pot roast and occasionally some parsley. My
> mom's cooking mostly was pretty bland.
>
> Jill
>
> ==
> We love and I grow, mint, rosemary, sage and thyme.
>
> I don't like to cover up the flavour of the food which is why I am
> careful with the additions.

No problem! Garlic or Chives? Chives are really easy to grow. Oregano
is as well.

Herbs and other seasonings, used *right* do not cover up the flavor of
the food, with exception of when it is intended to do so to make
something new. Example, my pork sausage mix is *intended* to change the
flavor of raw ground pork (which isnt very good pan fried on it's own).

--

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
> > "jmcquown" wrote in message news > >
> > On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> >>> "Gary" wrote in message news > >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> didn't >>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> with her pot >>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> never really made >>>> much use of herbs and spices.
> > > >
> >>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> food, imo.
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> ==
> > > >
> >>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> > >
> >> (fixed minor typo above).
> > >
> >> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> >> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
> when >> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
> Sure, we >> might but it's not automatic.
> > >
> > Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
> > don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a
> > spice.
> >
> > To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we
> > can't all like the same things.
>
> I think I could live without spices.

Yeah, but would you enjoy it as much? ;-)


--

On 6/22/2017 11:23 AM, cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>
> My Mom's definately was. The food wasn't terrible and was always
> balanced and on time, but when kids pray for school lunches of the 60's
> and TV dinners of the same era, you kinda got the picture ;-)
>
I got the picture. I didn't pray for school lunches. The only time
I remember asking for lunch money was when we lived in Vista, outside of
San Diego. I was... hmm, 7. It was going to be "taco day" and all my
classmates were excited about it. So I asked for lunch money. Might
have been 50 cents, I don't really remember.

Mom said, "You won't like them [tacos]." Reason being, they put iceburg
lettuce on the tacos. I hated lettuce. (Still do, as a matter of
fact.) But Mom gave in to teach me a lesson.

The "lunch lady" in the cafeteria wouldn't leave the lettuce off my
tacos. Ugh! I wouldn't eat them. The teacher/cafeteria monitor
refused to let me out until I ate it. I refused. They called my mom,
"She won't eat her lunch." "Of course she won't, she hates lettuce." LOL

What right did they have to try to force me to eat something I didn't
like? None. Why couldn't they have simply skipped the lettuce? It was
an assembly line, surely you don't HAVE to put shredded iceburg lettuce
on the taco. It would have been easy enough to leave out. That was the
last time I ever bought lunch at a school cafeteria.

BTW, I will eat tacos all day long as long as there aren't raw
vegetables (or salsa, can't stand that either) piled on top. All I need
is a crispy shell, some spicy beef (ground or shredded) and top it with
cheese.

Jill

On 6/22/2017 11:39 AM, cshenk wrote:
> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>
>>> On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> "Gary" wrote in message news >>>>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
>> didn't >>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
>> with her pot >>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
>> never really made >>>> much use of herbs and spices.
>>>>>
>>>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
>> didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
>> food, imo.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>>>
>>>> (fixed minor typo above).
>>>>
>>>> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>>>> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
>> when >> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
>> Sure, we >> might but it's not automatic.
>>>>
>>> Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>>> don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a
>>> spice.
>>>
>>> To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we
>>> can't all like the same things.
>>
>> I think I could live without spices.
>
> Yeah, but would you enjoy it as much? ;-)
>
>
Since Bruce is a pesceterian it would probably be pretty darn bland.

Jill

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:10:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>lucretia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:41:47 +1000, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > >
>> >>> "Gary" wrote in message news >> >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> >>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
>> didn't >>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
>> with her pot >>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
>> never really made >>> > much use of herbs and spices.
>> >>>
>> >>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
>> didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
>> food, imo. >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ==
>> >>>
>> >>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>> > >
>> > > (fixed minor typo above).
>> > >
>> > > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>> > > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean
>> > > that when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be
>> > > thinking. Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
>> >
>> > I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it
>> > may mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.
>>
>> I'm glad you filtered out Canadians, don't know what makes her think
>> she knows about anything Canadian.
>
>Got a lot of cooking friends up there. Been chatting with a couple of
>them since 1988 via Fidonet (still am). While there are certainly
>differences, linguistically they are less notable in the world of
>cooking.

Anecdotal at best - we are not Trumpites like you so just speak for
your own.

On 6/22/2017 12:09 PM, lucretia wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:10:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
>> Got a lot of cooking friends up there. Been chatting with a couple of
>> them since 1988 via Fidonet (still am). While there are certainly
>> differences, linguistically they are less notable in the world of
>> cooking.
>
> Anecdotal at best - we are not Trumpites like you so just speak for
> your own.
>
News flash, not all Americans are "Trumpites". In fact, I find Trump
pretty damned embarrassing.

If she knows people who live in Canada who discuss cooking with her, who
are you to ban her perceptions of what they tell her about how they cook?

Jill

In article >,
says...
> Subject: Have Your Tastes in Food Changed?
> From: Cindy Hamilton >
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>
> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 6:19:33 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> >
> > I do I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
> > whatever people are cooking.
> >
> > I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us
>
> It's not about covering up. It's about enjoying the flavor of the
> spices. I enjoy plain chicken. I enjoy curried chicken. It's
> all good.
>
You can also use some spices to enhance the natural flavour of
food, so subtly that the spice used can't be tasted let alone
identified. Cumin has that effect in amny stews and soups; a grate of
nutmeg into frying mushrooms makes tham taste more mushroomy; cardamom
invisibly enhances many cakes and milk puddings. A clove or two infused
in the milk used for bread sauce.

I'm sometimes struck in rfc by Americans using the word"spice" for
ingredients I'd classify as a herb. In UK English herbs and spices are
two distinct groups, the terms are not interchangeable.

Janet UK

Janet.

On 2017-06-22, jmcquown > wrote:

> I was... hmm, 7. It was going to be "taco day".....

When I was 7, I'd never even heard of a taco ....and I lived in
California!

I suspect what I DID eat at my gradeschool cafetria (25¢ + 5¢ fer milk),
in the 50s, a lot of it was canned. I notice Manwhich (Hunt's) sloppy
joes taste exactly like what I ate in grade school. But, it was all
prepared by a kitchen staff in a real kitchen. Someone hadda cook
that hamburger for that canned Hunt's sauce.

nb

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:41:12 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>> Subject: Have Your Tastes in Food Changed?
>> From: Cindy Hamilton >
>> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>>
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 6:19:33 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
>> > [quoted text muted]
>> >
>> > I do I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
>> > whatever people are cooking.
>> >
>> > I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us
>>
>> It's not about covering up. It's about enjoying the flavor of the
>> spices. I enjoy plain chicken. I enjoy curried chicken. It's
>> all good.
>>
> You can also use some spices to enhance the natural flavour of
>food, so subtly that the spice used can't be tasted let alone
>identified. Cumin has that effect in amny stews and soups; a grate of
>nutmeg into frying mushrooms makes tham taste more mushroomy; cardamom
> invisibly enhances many cakes and milk puddings. A clove or two infused
>in the milk used for bread sauce.
>
> I'm sometimes struck in rfc by Americans using the word"spice" for
>ingredients I'd classify as a herb. In UK English herbs and spices are
>two distinct groups, the terms are not interchangeable.
>
> Janet UK

It's the same in the US only too many either don't distinguish out of
pure laziness or don't know the difference.

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 6/21/2017 8:47 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 2017-06-21 5:11 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > >
> > > > > No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > > > > didn't care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > > > > food, imo.
> > > > >
> > > > No offense taken. She grew up eating pretty bland food. So
> > > > did Dad, for that matter. (He literally married the girl next
> > > > door.) She hated to cook. Doesn't negate the fact he really
> > > > couldn't taste much when he got older.
> > >
> > > My parents were born born in the 1920s and raised on bland Anglo
> > > food. We were usually careful not to spice things up when they
> > > came for dinner. One night when they came for dinner I cooked
> > > Tandoori chicken. My father had never been much of a meat eater,
> > > and it was the first time I ever saw him help himself to seconds.
> > > The next time was when I grilled pork chops that had been rubbed
> > > with salt, pepper, garlic powder, oregano and mint. He loved
> > > them.
> >
> > My FIL was almost in the opposite side. His wife was actually a
> > very good cook, but tended to over spice. Not too badly, but just
> > enough to be less optimal. Never hot spices, just a little 'too
> > much of a good thing'. Clove was one of her favorites.
> >
> I can't think of the last time I used cloves for anything.
>
> Jill

It was a ham that really got me. She used powdered clove with honey as
a covered and embedded possibly 40 cloves (deep in, must have pushed
them in with something). You couldn't taste the ham, just cloves.

--

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:16:14 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/22/2017 12:09 PM, lucretia wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:10:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> Got a lot of cooking friends up there. Been chatting with a couple of
>>> them since 1988 via Fidonet (still am). While there are certainly
>>> differences, linguistically they are less notable in the world of
>>> cooking.
>>
>> Anecdotal at best - we are not Trumpites like you so just speak for
>> your own.
>>
>News flash, not all Americans are "Trumpites". In fact, I find Trump
>pretty damned embarrassing.
>
>If she knows people who live in Canada who discuss cooking with her, who
>are you to ban her perceptions of what they tell her about how they cook?
>
>Jill

Nobody but who is she to refer to Canadians and us without qualifying
it to some Canadians I know or somesuch. Knowing some Canadians does
NOT mean she knows what we all think/do, see how you reacted to being
called a Trumpite!

Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 6:19:33 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Bruce" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > "jmcquown" wrote in message news > > >
> > > On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > >> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> > >>> "Gary" wrote in message news > > >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> > >>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
> > didn't >>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
> > with her pot >>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
> > never really made >>>> much use of herbs and spices.
> > > > >
> > >>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
> > didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
> > food, imo.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >>> ==
> > > > >
> > >>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
> > > >
> > >> (fixed minor typo above).
> > > >
> > >> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
> > >> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean
> > that when >> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be
> > thinking. Sure, we >> might but it's not automatic.
> > > >
> > > Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper.
> > > I don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a
> > > spice.
> > >
> > > To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we
> > > can't all like the same things.
> >
> > I think I could live without spices.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > I do I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour
> > of whatever people are cooking.
> >
> > I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us
>
> It's not about covering up. It's about enjoying the flavor of the
> spices. I enjoy plain chicken. I enjoy curried chicken. It's
> all good.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Yup. No problem that she likes a simpler cooking style, but like you,
I like to use spices to good effect. I like plain rice. I also like
curried fried rice and a variety of 'rice ball' mixes.

--

On 2017-06-22, cshenk > wrote:

> You couldn't taste the ham, just cloves.

I always cut recipe recommendations for clove amounts by at least one
third. Usually more like one-half. Even in my DIY five-spice-blend
(star anise, fennel seed, cinnamon, szechuan ppr, cloves) I either dbl
all the other ingredients or cut cloves by 50%. Clove is more than
jes savory, it's overwhelming. Make that downright brutal!

nb

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:49:06 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:49:03 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > "Bruce" wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >
>> >On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 19:33:05 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > >
>> >>> "Gary" wrote in message news >> >>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> >>> > When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
>> didn't >>> > help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
>> with her pot >>> > roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
>> never really made >>> > much use of herbs and spices.
>> > > >
>> >>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
>> didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
>> food, imo.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >>> ==
>> > > >
>> >>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>> > >
>> > > (fixed minor typo above).
>> > >
>> > > It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>> > > 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean
>> > > that when they says 'spices' in the same way you might be
>> > > thinking. Sure, we might but it's not automatic.
>> >
>> > I've noticed that too. To me, spicy food is hot. To Americans, it
>> > may mean there's a lot of cinnamon in there.
>> >
>> > ==
>> >
>> > I can't even abide the smell of cinnamon
>>
>> I don't think I ever have it. From childhood, I remember a candy item
>> called cinnamon stick, that was ok back then. And maybe it's in
>> Glühwein? I'm not a fan of that.
>
>I gather some spices are more common in some areas but that one
>suprises me. Not that you don't cook with it (many don't, I don't
>except when it's in a mix unless to add to an apple pie), but to not
>see it in a lot of bakery goods?

I've heard of cinnamon rolls in this newsgroup. Maybe that's an
American thing. Or maybe also Australian, but I've never had them.

>I had to google the Glühwein. Yes, uses a stick of cinnamon. Might be
>a bit too much for your tastes.

Wiki says it's called "mulled wine" in English?

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 06:41:54 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:49:03 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > I can't even abide the smell of cinnamon
>>>
>>> I don't think I ever have it. From childhood, I remember a candy item
>>> called cinnamon stick, that was ok back then. And maybe it's in
>>> Glühwein? I'm not a fan of that.
>>
>> I gather some spices are more common in some areas but that one
>> suprises me. Not that you don't cook with it (many don't, I don't
>> except when it's in a mix unless to add to an apple pie), but to not
>> see it in a lot of bakery goods?
>>
>> I had to google the Glühwein. Yes, uses a stick of cinnamon. Might be
>> a bit too much for your tastes.
>
>Can't make a decent Snickerdoodle without it.

And what's life without the occasional Snickerdoodle

Here's a cinnamon stick candy thing:

<https://www.candyonline.nl/Files/3/4000/4251/ProductPhotos/MaxContent/83266645.jpg>

Or the luxury version:

<https://www.easywebshop.com/shops/zuurstok/1709837-1.jpg>

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:48:11 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:19:26 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>
>>>Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>>>don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which *is* a spice.
>>>
>>>To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we can't all
>>>like the same things.
>>
>>I think I could live without spices.
>>
>>==
>>
>>I do I don't understand the desperation to cover up the flavour of
>>whatever people are cooking.
>>
>>I use herbs and seasoning and that is fine for us
>
>Yes, I don't need cinnamon, cloves, mace, even pepper and what else
>have you? But I love me hot chillies and garlic
>
>=
>
>Oh yes, I love garlic too As for hot chillies, each to his her own

I make a paste (sambal) of cooked medium heat chillies and use that
instead of butter when I have bread for breakfast or lunch. You
wouldn't like it

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:39:37 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>> > don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a
>> > spice.
>> >
>> > To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we
>> > can't all like the same things.
>>
>> I think I could live without spices.
>
>Yeah, but would you enjoy it as much? ;-)

I can't think of a spice I'd really miss. I'd miss them in Indian
food, I guess. It wouldn't be Indian anymore.

On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:59:06 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/22/2017 11:39 AM, cshenk wrote:
>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:48:56 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>> On 6/21/2017 8:33 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>>> Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gary" wrote in message news >>>>>> On 6/21/2017 10:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>> When Dad was 83, Mom had a hard time getting him to eat. (It
>>> didn't >>>> help that he had Alzheimers.) There was nothing wrong
>>> with her pot >>>> roast, mashed potatoes and green beans. But she
>>> never really made >>>> much use of herbs and spices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No offense to Mom but that comment right there explains why he
>>> didn't >>> care to eat her food. No herbs or spices? Bland crappy
>>> food, imo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why? Not everyone likes spices you know!
>>>>>
>>>>> (fixed minor typo above).
>>>>>
>>>>> It may be a language thing here but you seem to relate the word
>>>>> 'spices' to 'spicy' and mean hot. USA/Canada folks don't mean that
>>> when >> they says 'spices' in the same way you might be thinking.
>>> Sure, we >> might but it's not automatic.
>>>>>
>>>> Surely you know by now Ophelia and her husband don't like pepper. I
>>>> don't mean chili peppers, just plain ground pepper, which is a
>>>> spice.
>>>>
>>>> To me, life without pepper would be very bland indeed. But we
>>>> can't all like the same things.
>>>
>>> I think I could live without spices.
>>
>> Yeah, but would you enjoy it as much? ;-)
>>
>>
>Since Bruce is a pesceterian it would probably be pretty darn bland.

I don't think we use any spices with fish, except pepper. Who uses
cinnamon, cloves, mace etc... with fish?

notbob wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2017-06-22, cshenk > wrote:
>
> > You couldn't taste the ham, just cloves.
>
> I always cut recipe recommendations for clove amounts by at least one
> third. Usually more like one-half. Even in my DIY five-spice-blend
> (star anise, fennel seed, cinnamon, szechuan ppr, cloves) I either dbl
> all the other ingredients or cut cloves by 50%. Clove is more than
> jes savory, it's overwhelming. Make that downright brutal!
>
> nb

Agreed. I don't have any clove other than in mixes and if they use too
much, I reverse engineer them to reduce the clove. Its not that I
don't like it, it's that some like it a lot more than me so tends to be
over-powering.

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