On 2017-06-23 6:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 23 Jun 2017 01:02:06p, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> On 2017-06-23 3:35 PM, Gary wrote:
>>> On 6/23/2017 9:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 6/23/2017 7:41 AM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> Mine is at 71ºF too.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Just a couple of wimps that can't take a little heat. Mine is
>>>> set at a much warmer 72
>>>
>>> Mine is set at 75 and I turn it off when I leave for work and
>>> also when I go to bed at night. I do use a bedroom fan though.
>>>
>>> Been hot and humid here lately so even 75 feels great to me.
>>>
>> It has been up and down like a yoyo hear. On Monday it was hot and
>> humid but Tuesday was cool and windy. Wednesday was warm and
>> rainy. Right now it is cool and pouring rain.
>>
>>
>
> Our year to date rainfall where I live in Phoenix has been 2.19
> inches.
>

That is about what Toronto had today. We had massive rain about a month
ago. Lake Ontario is more than 3 feet above it's normal height. I have
mentioned before that I belong to a kayaking club. One of our usual
paddling locations is Jordan Harbour. It tends to be shallow enough
that we often have trouble getting to the Bailey Bridge at the south end
of it. In the spring or after heavy rains we have trouble getting that
far because of the current. If it has not been raining for a while we
have trouble because the water is low and it is rocky. This year we have
no problem getting up there because the water is nice and deep,and
there is no current because the lake is so high.

Earlier this week I went down to Port Dalhousie to have lunch with my
son. We walked down to where the beach used to be. There is no beach. It
is not just that the water is high enough to raise the level above teh
sand. The sand has been sucked away. There are beach volley ball courts
that used to be on the beach. The courts are now way out in the water
and, based on the location of the paint that used to be above the level
of the sand beach, more than 2 feet of the sand has been sucked away.

On 6/23/2017 4:58 PM, Gary wrote:
> On 6/23/2017 3:49 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:38:32 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/23/2017 11:07 AM, wrote:
>>>> It's called summer.
>>>>
>>>
>>> LOL. You got it. We all complain about the cold in winter and the heat
>>> in summer. That said, summers are definitely getting hotter...global
>>> warming or is it just Gary Aging? lol
>>
>> Can't you tell Trump about global warming? Coming from one of his
>> voters, he might take it seriously.
>
> LOL To be honest here and coming from a USain. I did support Trump in
> the early months of him running. I really thought he was just saying all
> this weird nonsense just to get noticed. I always thought that once he
> was up for election, he would settle down and act normal.
>
> He didn't. He really was that weird. The 3 debates he did with Hillary
> was when I really learned his true self. I didn't like her but I didn't
> like what I found out about him either.
>
> I ended up doing a protest vote for neither of them. Now that he's been
> our president, IMO, he refuses to act "presidential" and he's a constant
> embarrassment to all usains, imo. All this tweeting and the crappy
> haircut and........
>
> IMO, he will NEVER get re-elected if only the Democrats can come up with
> a candidate that's worth considering.
>
> As I said, I liked his wild side early, but then I didn't vote for him.
> Now I'm even embarrassed that I said good about him way back then.
>
> So there you go... an honest accessment from a us citizen.
>
>

Pretty much my assessment too. I went to bed with no decision yet on
election night and woke up about 2 am to hear that Hillary lost. That
made me happy, but like you, I did not vote for the winner. Now I'm
embarrassed to have a "leader" with junior high tweeting.

I'd not be surprised if he quit in the next few months. I don't think
he likes the job.

On 6/23/2017 6:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/23/2017 9:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/23/2017 7:41 AM, wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>>>>
>>>> Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Mine is at 71ºF too.
>>>
>>
>> Just a couple of wimps that can't take a little heat. Mine is set at a
>> much warmer 72
>
> LOL Ed! Believe it or not, I can feel that one degree difference. Then
> again (TMI) I still get occasional hot flashes.
>
> Jill

My wife is wearing a light sweater. I've been calling her "Uncle Pat".
When we were teenagers dating her Uncle Pat lived across the street. He
was in his late 80's and in summer would sit out wearing a long sleeved
flannel shirt and long underwear.

AC is a wonderful invention though.

On 6/23/2017 6:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>>
>
> Our year to date rainfall where I live in Phoenix has been 2.19
> inches.
>

Our local weather in CT tonight said we have 21" so far this year, just
shy of "normal"

"Gary" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/23/2017 1:16 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>
> Heheh... I seriously doubt I'll last that long...31 more years? I don't
> think so and I probably won't want to see that. You never know though. A
> few (very few) in my family have lived way beyond that age. One of my
> great-grandfathers lived until right before age 102.
>
> And also talking about the real 95 subject (temps). I've had several days
> of thqt recently and with the humidity factored in.....it's just been
> plain miserable here.
>
> Thank GOD for ac. One of the best inventions ever, imo.

Complete agreement! I'm sure the humidity makes it much worse.

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/23/2017 11:07 AM, wrote:
>> It's called summer.
>>
>
> LOL. You got it. We all complain about the cold in winter and the heat in
> summer. That said, summers are definitely getting hotter...global warming
> or is it just Gary Aging? lol


I doubt that it's been much warmer than usual where I am, weather has
patterns.


Cheri

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message

> I wish we could get to the point of not discussing Trump in any way
> shape or form. Politics don't really belong here, nor do many other
> topics. Why else would it be called rec.food.cooking?

Truly! I only discuss politics and religion with like minded friends and
never while cooking. ;-)

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> 95 is simply too hot, especially since the humidity here is ridiculous.
> Inside, I can't stand it if it's 80F. I don't tolerate heat well. Hence,
> central air.
>
> Jill


Ditto.

Cheri

"Cheri" > wrote in message
news
> Mine is set for 78 right now because they are asking people to do that to
> ensure that the grid stays on. I prefer it lower, but during this heat
> wave I can do it because the alternative could be a brown out or a black
> out which would be simply awful.

I saw something on Tucker Carlson earlier. The guest said if a missile were
to take down our grid, we could be without power for 6 months or so. If that
happened, many of us would die. Scary thing.

When I lived in CA, we had rolling blackouts. Ours always seemed to occur at
meal time. Very annoying. We were also supposed to limit the use of
dishwashers and washing machines/dryers and use them only at certain times
of the day.

I've been bagging up ice for the freezer. Am enjoying a big bottle of ice
water with fresh peppermint in it. Yum!

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...

> Hi Gary,
>
> I think a lot has to do with insulation levels and probably heat
> blocking curtins that help that. I have someone here pretty much 24/7
> and a bigger place so turning off doesnt make sense. I am pretty well
> insulated though.

Many of our houses here have little to no insulation. The house that I grew
up in had none. We finally got some blow in stuff that was some type of
foam. Turned out not to be super effective because it shrank as it aged. But
my mom said one of the utility companies was offering a good deal on it and
most everyone on our street got it when it was offered.

Our basement was always the place to go. Always cool in the summer. It had a
two burner gas stove for cooking and a gas heater that didn't require
electricity so that's where we'd go in the winter if we lost power. We had a
fireplace upstairs and down but they were rarely used. Mainly only to burn
documents.
>
> We do keep it warmer than most in summer, but it's all in what you are
> used to so it doesn't bother us at all.
>
> It's winter when my cost cutting kicks in. The houses around me are
> all a little smaller (ours was the little upscale in the new
> subdivision when built). I have a functional fireplace and know how to
> correctly use it. Between better insulation and it's use, I run 1/3
> less easily in winter on bills for heating.

We are urged not to use fireplaces here because they pollute the air. We
rarely seem to have a burn ban in the summer but we often do in winter and
fall. When we do, we can only use them if it is our only source of heat.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/23/2017 6:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>>
>>
>> Our year to date rainfall where I live in Phoenix has been 2.19
>> inches.
>>
>
> Our local weather in CT tonight said we have 21" so far this year, just
> shy of "normal"

We have much more than normal here.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/23/2017 9:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/23/2017 7:41 AM, wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>>>>
>>>> Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Mine is at 71ºF too.
>>>
>>
>> Just a couple of wimps that can't take a little heat. Mine is set at a
>> much warmer 72
>
> LOL Ed! Believe it or not, I can feel that one degree difference. Then
> again (TMI) I still get occasional hot flashes.

I never had hot flashes but I did have cold ones. 70 is perfect for me. Am
too hot at 71 and freezing at 69.

"Gary" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/23/2017 11:07 AM, wrote:
>> It's called summer.
>>
>
> LOL. You got it. We all complain about the cold in winter and the heat in
> summer. That said, summers are definitely getting hotter...global warming
> or is it just Gary Aging? lol

That was one good thing about Alameda, CA. Was 70 degrees pretty much year
round. We might have to hotter weeks in the summer and I remember one day
one winter where there was frost on the ground. Never wore a coat there but
I did have a light jacket that I'd take to the park in case I was sitting in
the shade.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
news
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> news
>> Mine is set for 78 right now because they are asking people to do that to
>> ensure that the grid stays on. I prefer it lower, but during this heat
>> wave I can do it because the alternative could be a brown out or a black
>> out which would be simply awful.
>
> I saw something on Tucker Carlson earlier. The guest said if a missile
> were to take down our grid, we could be without power for 6 months or so.
> If that happened, many of us would die. Scary thing.
>
> When I lived in CA, we had rolling blackouts. Ours always seemed to occur
> at meal time. Very annoying. We were also supposed to limit the use of
> dishwashers and washing machines/dryers and use them only at certain times
> of the day.
>
> I've been bagging up ice for the freezer. Am enjoying a big bottle of ice
> water with fresh peppermint in it. Yum!

I was reading a novel a few months ago called 77 Days in September, it
really makes you think of all the things that we are dependent on that would
be no more and the devastation it would cause if an EMP happened. I have
been having ice water with fresh mint in it, good stuff.

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/23/2017 3:11 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Arizona would have a much smallaer population if it were not for A/C.
>> Swamp coolers, the precursor to A/C, are still in heavy use here, and
>> many people jave both installed. However, swamp coolers aren't nearly
>> as effective, and during the monsoon season with much higher humidity,
>> they don't do much good at all.
>
> From what I've heard, swamp coolers work in dry climates by adding
> humidity to the air. Julie in Seattle area had bought a couple in past
> years but that area is not dry. They sure wouldn't work here in
> virginia... the last thing you want is to add humidity to the air.

It's not dry like Las Vegas but it's rarely ever humid when the temp. goes
up. The first unit worked very well, while it worked. The second one was
just a piece of crap. Had few reviews when I bought it and they were mostly
good. Now there are plenty of bad reviews. I didn't want to buy another one
only because I couldn't find a single one with enough reviews to suit me.
Plus, the standard kind is big and bulky to store. The second one I bought
was taller and thinner.
>
> She suffers each summer but is stubborn about buying even a small air
> conditioner. She will break down and figure a way to add one as summers
> seem to get progressively hotter plus she gets older and less tolerant to
> hot days

Wrong, Gary. I did buy two portable swamp coolers. They're very small and
cheap. If they break, I'll buy more. Suitable only for individual use. I
have had several handyman type people out here for various things. All agree
there is no good, feasible way to put AC in here. This house just wasn't
designed for it.

I believe the guy next door who had a house similar to mine but remodled it
to be a huge eyesore of assorted parts, might have AC. I say this only
because I never see any open windows. He also likely did something during
the remodel to accomodate AC. Nobody else on my street has it. Most of these
houses are small ramblers similar to what mine was before the remodel. Some
have been remodeled to add a room on such as coverting the garage into a rec
room. All have baseboard heat. No furnace. And similar windows that are not
designed to accomodate AC.

Most people sit out on their decks as the sun goes down to take advantage of
the cooler air. I am fixing to do so soon. Will read my book, provided my
Citronella plants ward off the mosquitoes.

<snip>

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.44...
> On Fri 23 Jun 2017 01:32:44p, Gary told us...
>
>> On 6/23/2017 3:11 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> Arizona would have a much smallaer population if it were not for
>>> A/C.
>>> Swamp coolers, the precursor to A/C, are still in heavy use here,
>>> and many people jave both installed. However, swamp coolers
>>> aren't nearly as effective, and during the monsoon season with
>>> much higher humidity, they don't do much good at all.
>>
>> From what I've heard, swamp coolers work in dry climates by
>> adding
>> humidity to the air. Julie in Seattle area had bought a couple in
>> past years but that area is not dry. They sure wouldn't work here
>> in virginia... the last thing you want is to add humidity to the
>> air.
>>
>> She suffers each summer but is stubborn about buying even a small
>> air conditioner. She will break down and figure a way to add one
>> as summers seem to get progressively hotter plus she gets older
>> and less tolerant to hot days
>>
>> I've got ac and I try to use it sparingly....a higher temp with ac
>> combined with a fan blowing on me at night works ok but when I had
>> ferrets for 12 years, I often kept the ac on just for them. Unlike
>> cats and dogs that can pant to dispell body heat, ferrets can't do
>> that and you risk heat stroke and death once the temp goes over
>> 80F inside.
>>
>> I still often have to work out in this heat and it can be very
>> brutal. I sometimes come home so wet from sweat, it's like I got
>> hosed off. When it's that way, I come home and turn on the ac and
>> I don't care how much the electric bill is....this is survival in
>> the semi-south.
>>
>> And as I said in another thread, YES I believe in global warming.
>> Summers get progressively hotter each year - for the last 45 years
>> that I've lived right here.
>>
>
> Cats that iive in an aar conditioned environment teir entire life
> suffer terribly when it suddenly becoms hot. Back in 2009 or so our
> A/C wnet out and could not be repaired fo several days. Our indoor
> temperature was around 95 degres. The cats sufferede so badly during
> the first day and night that we checked into a motel for nearly a
> week. Two of our cats appeared to have heat stroke. Our vet told us
> that given the conditions none of the cats were likely to survive if
> we hadn't gotten them into a cool environment.
>

My former boss had a cat that he let outside on a hot day. Cat wasn't even
out there for very long but he knew something was wrong. Vet said it was
brain damage from the heat. They had come from Eastern Washington where it
gets much hotter and AC is common.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/23/2017 1:16 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> news
>>>
>>> "KenK" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>>>> news >>>>
>>>>> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather
>>>>> but our turn is coming.
>>>>
>>>> Last Monday 120, a record. 113 to 116 until Wednesday - that's as far
>>>> as
>>>> the forecasts go. So far my evaporative cooler has kept my inside temps
>>>> bearable, around 95. The A/C is there if it gets to be too much.
>>>
>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>>
>>
>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> 95 is simply too hot, especially since the humidity here is ridiculous.
> Inside, I can't stand it if it's 80F. I don't tolerate heat well. Hence,
> central air.

It's 80 in here now. 72 outside. Have three fans going. I'm fine. But I'll
still go outside.

"tert in seattle" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather but
>> our turn is coming. They say we'll break a record. Meanwhile, I am
>> planning
>> on not really cooking.
>>
>> I will make the whole batch of that potato salad that I recently made.
>> Will
>> try to do that before the serious heat hits. That went over much better
>> than
>> I thought it would.
>>
>> I bought plenty of fresh veggies and tostada shells so we can have bean
>> tostadas. Those only require heating the beans. Also bought stuff for
>> sandwiches. And some Stouffer's stuffed peppers. Only got those because
>> they
>> were super cheap and can be done in the microwave. Also fresh Mozzarella
>> to
>> go with the fresh basil, tomatoes and balsamic reduction.
>>
>> Bring on the heat! I'm ready.
>
> the high will be 90 on Sunday
>
> hot enough to wear anti-perspirant!

Just spoke to my friend in Shoreline. We use the same gardener. He was going
to come today but couldn't due to illness of some coworkers. Plans to do
both of our houses on Sunday. Hers first. Probably a good plan as it is
purported to be hotter there than here.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
news
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> news
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> Mine is set for 78 right now because they are asking people to do that
>>> to ensure that the grid stays on. I prefer it lower, but during this
>>> heat wave I can do it because the alternative could be a brown out or a
>>> black out which would be simply awful.
>>
>> I saw something on Tucker Carlson earlier. The guest said if a missile
>> were to take down our grid, we could be without power for 6 months or so.
>> If that happened, many of us would die. Scary thing.
>>
>> When I lived in CA, we had rolling blackouts. Ours always seemed to occur
>> at meal time. Very annoying. We were also supposed to limit the use of
>> dishwashers and washing machines/dryers and use them only at certain
>> times of the day.
>>
>> I've been bagging up ice for the freezer. Am enjoying a big bottle of ice
>> water with fresh peppermint in it. Yum!
>
> I was reading a novel a few months ago called 77 Days in September, it
> really makes you think of all the things that we are dependent on that
> would be no more and the devastation it would cause if an EMP happened. I
> have been having ice water with fresh mint in it, good stuff.

The military taught us to always keep plenty of canned food, bottled water,
other emergency supplies and cash.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.44...

> More than one manufacturer makes multi-zone Ductless Mini Split Air
> Conditioners that can be installed in virtually all home designs.
> Mitsubishi is one of them, and they work quite well. If you really
> want air conditioning it IS possible.

My brother has that kind. Not sure if it's that brand. Needs a wall to put
it in and a place outside for the compressor. Kind of hard to do when your
walls are mostly windows and your deck covers three sides of your house.
Only exterior wall with no window is in my bedroom. I don't need AC in the
bedroom. And there's only perhaps 3 feet wide of yard on that side.

Then there's the matter of money. Don't have enough for AC. So there's that.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45...

> That's really tragic. IF your cat lives inside, it should never be
> let out in the heat. I would be horrified if that happened to one of
> our cats.

It wasn't even that hot of a day but the cat had gotten into some area where
the heat was concentrated. I want to say that it was under the house. Seems
like it would be cooler down there so I may have the details wrong.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.44...

> Even withour A/C we still ru our ceiling fans in whatever rooms we're
> in. I think here in AZ air movement is just as important as the
> cooling.

We have three ceiling fans. One in the living room, one in the family room,
and one in my bedroom. Due to the way my bedroom faces, it seems to remain
much cooler than some of the other rooms. This is why I don't need AC in
there. I just don't like being in that room all day.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
.44...
> On Sat 24 Jun 2017 12:05:57a, Julie Bove told us...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 9.44...
>>
>>> More than one manufacturer makes multi-zone Ductless Mini Split
>>> Air Conditioners that can be installed in virtually all home
>>> designs. Mitsubishi is one of them, and they work quite well. If
>>> you really want air conditioning it IS possible.
>>
>> My brother has that kind. Not sure if it's that brand. Needs a
>> wall to put it in and a place outside for the compressor. Kind of
>> hard to do when your walls are mostly windows and your deck covers
>> three sides of your house. Only exterior wall with no window is in
>> my bedroom. I don't need AC in the bedroom. And there's only
>> perhaps 3 feet wide of yard on that side.
>>
>> Then there's the matter of money. Don't have enough for AC. So
>> there's that.
>>
>>
>
> Sorry to hear that.

Thanks.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45...

> And if you only have electricity like we do, be prepared to not do
> any cooking if you have a power outage. Although we do have a large
> gas grill with a side burner.

I'm okay with eating out of cans if I have to. We do have a gas water heater
so if we lose power, we still have hot water. Can put a can in hot water to
warm if it I have to. We don't BBQ and don't like to eat that stuff. We do
have the fire pit but there wouldn't be much we could do with that during a
prolonged power outage except perhaps to roast Vienna sausages, Spam or
maybe potatoes.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45...
> On Sat 24 Jun 2017 01:49:10a, Julie Bove told us...
>
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 9.45...
>>
>>> And if you only have electricity like we do, be prepared to not
>>> do any cooking if you have a power outage. Although we do have a
>>> large gas grill with a side burner.
>>
>> I'm okay with eating out of cans if I have to. We do have a gas
>> water heater so if we lose power, we still have hot water. Can put
>> a can in hot water to warm if it I have to. We don't BBQ and don't
>> like to eat that stuff. We do have the fire pit but there wouldn't
>> be much we could do with that during a prolonged power outage
>> except perhaps to roast Vienna sausages, Spam or maybe potatoes.
>>
>>
>
> The gas grill is very useful beyond grilling. I have baked in it and
> used cast iron skillets to cook in on the grill, besides the side
> burner. We don't have a fire pit, but I doubt that we'd use it in any
> case.

Could be. Don't own any cast iron anything and don't want a grill. I
wouldn't use that and I don't use the fire pit but the teens seem to like
it.

On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 9:40:08 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/23/2017 7:41 AM, wrote:
>
> >>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
> >>
> >> Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Mine is at 71ºF too.
> >
>
> Just a couple of wimps that can't take a little heat. Mine is set at a
> much warmer 72

You are a man of iron, Ed. I'd like to grow up just like you.

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 3:11:41 PM UTC-4, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 23 Jun 2017 11:54:41a, Gary told us...
>
> > On 6/23/2017 1:16 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
> >
> > Heheh... I seriously doubt I'll last that long...31 more years? I
> > don't think so and I probably won't want to see that. You never
> > know though. A few (very few) in my family have lived way beyond
> > that age. One of my great-grandfathers lived until right before
> > age 102.
> >
> > And also talking about the real 95 subject (temps). I've had
> > several days of thqt recently and with the humidity factored
> > in.....it's just been plain miserable here.
> >
> > Thank GOD for ac. One of the best inventions ever, imo.
> >
> Arizona would have a much smallaer population if it were not for A/C.
> Swamp coolers, the precursor to A/C, are still in heavy use here, and
> many people jave both installed. However, swamp coolers aren't nearly
> as effective, and during the monsoon season with much higher humidity,
> they don't do much good at all.

I just checked average August humidity in Phoenix. Morning: 46%
Afternoon: 23%

We consider anything below 50% to be a nice, dry day.

Of course, your temperatures are a little higher: average
80/102 low/high in August.

Here it's 90%/56% and 61/81.

Thank god for air-conditioning. It sucks a lot of that moisture
right out of the indoor air.

Cindy Hamilton

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Hi Gary,
> >
> > I think a lot has to do with insulation levels and probably heat
> > blocking curtins that help that. I have someone here pretty much
> > 24/7 and a bigger place so turning off doesnt make sense. I am
> > pretty well insulated though.
>
> Many of our houses here have little to no insulation. The house that
> I grew up in had none. We finally got some blow in stuff that was
> some type of foam. Turned out not to be super effective because it
> shrank as it aged. But my mom said one of the utility companies was
> offering a good deal on it and most everyone on our street got it
> when it was offered.

We are looking at adding more to our attic.

> Our basement was always the place to go. Always cool in the summer.
> It had a two burner gas stove for cooking and a gas heater that
> didn't require electricity so that's where we'd go in the winter if
> we lost power. We had a fireplace upstairs and down but they were
> rarely used. Mainly only to burn documents.

The old house we had in Charlotteville had a basement. Nice and cool.
We didnt add heat to it when we were there but later someone doubled
the chimney and brought a second one down to there.

> > We do keep it warmer than most in summer, but it's all in what you
> > are used to so it doesn't bother us at all.
> >
> > It's winter when my cost cutting kicks in. The houses around me are
> > all a little smaller (ours was the little upscale in the new
> > subdivision when built). I have a functional fireplace and know
> > how to correctly use it. Between better insulation and it's use, I
> > run 1/3 less easily in winter on bills for heating.
>
> We are urged not to use fireplaces here because they pollute the air.
> We rarely seem to have a burn ban in the summer but we often do in
> winter and fall. When we do, we can only use them if it is our only
> source of heat.

Nothing is perfect and it's 'greener' than some other heating sources.
Totally renewable too. In fact, this summer we need to get more.

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Wayne Boatwright wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Fri 23 Jun 2017 08:43:54p, Julie Bove told us...
>
> >
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > news
> >> On 6/23/2017 1:16 AM, Cheri wrote:
> >>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> >>> news > > > > >
> >>>> "KenK" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
> >>>>> news > > > > > >
> >>>>>> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot
> >>>>>> weather but our turn is coming.
> > > > > >
> >>>>> Last Monday 120, a record. 113 to 116 until Wednesday - that's
> >>>>> as far as the forecasts go. So far my evaporative cooler has
> >>>>> kept my inside temps bearable, around 95. The A/C is there if
> >>>>> it gets to be too much.
> > > > >
> >>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
> > > >
> > > >
> >>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
> > > >
> >>> Cheri
> > >
> >> 95 is simply too hot, especially since the humidity here is
> >> ridiculous. Inside, I can't stand it if it's 80F. I don't
> >> tolerate heat well. Hence, central air.
> >
> > It's 80 in here now. 72 outside. Have three fans going. I'm fine.
> > But I'll still go outside.
> >
> >
>
> Even withour A/C we still ru our ceiling fans in whatever rooms we're
> in. I think here in AZ air movement is just as important as the
> cooling.

Same here Wayne. We have ceiling fans in the living room, 2 of the
bedrooms, and the family room. Several standup or desktop fans as well.

In addition to the HVAC, I have 3 portable AC units (the floor type,
roll to where needed and vent out a window or sliding glass door). One
is in the family room (enclosed later, puts us over what the HVAC was
designed for), another is in the 3 season sunroom. We'd only pull out
the 4rd if the HVAC was down and only the one in the sunroom is used
very much unless it's 100F or more here.

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On 6/24/2017 4:49 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 9.45...
>
>> And if you only have electricity like we do, be prepared to not do
>> any cooking if you have a power outage. Although we do have a large
>> gas grill with a side burner.
>
> I'm okay with eating out of cans if I have to. We do have a gas water
> heater so if we lose power, we still have hot water. Can put a can in
> hot water to warm if it I have to. We don't BBQ and don't like to eat
> that stuff. We do have the fire pit but there wouldn't be much we could
> do with that during a prolonged power outage except perhaps to roast
> Vienna sausages, Spam or maybe potatoes.

LOL! Don't be so negative, Julie. Even with prolonged power outage and
no ac you can still eat very well if you want to.

You have the fire pit. You can cook great meals on a wood fire. Fires
are not just for roasting marshmallows. One of the best steaks I ever
had was on a camping trip and I put it on a forked stick and held it
over the wood flames.

I would never dream of fire cooking vienna sausages or spam. Potatoes
are good with a wood fire but you bury them underneath hot coals for an
hour or so. Cattail roots the same...just like small potatoes.

I don't use my oven that often during the hottest months but other than
that, I still make anything I get the urge for. I'll even use the oven
for a quick pizza but I won't roast a ham or turkey for hours.

On 6/24/2017 5:58 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 24 Jun 2017 02:54:22a, Julie Bove told us...
>> Could be. Don't own any cast iron anything and don't want a grill.
>> I wouldn't use that and I don't use the fire pit but the teens
>> seem to like it.
>>
>>
>
> Understood, but it works for us.

Wayne, save your breath. Nothing works for Julie once she sets her mind
to it. heheh :-D

"Gary" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/24/2017 4:49 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 9.45...
>>
>>> And if you only have electricity like we do, be prepared to not do
>>> any cooking if you have a power outage. Although we do have a large
>>> gas grill with a side burner.
>>
>> I'm okay with eating out of cans if I have to. We do have a gas water
>> heater so if we lose power, we still have hot water. Can put a can in
>> hot water to warm if it I have to. We don't BBQ and don't like to eat
>> that stuff. We do have the fire pit but there wouldn't be much we could
>> do with that during a prolonged power outage except perhaps to roast
>> Vienna sausages, Spam or maybe potatoes.
>
> LOL! Don't be so negative, Julie. Even with prolonged power outage and
> no ac you can still eat very well if you want to.

Really? And where exactly would we get this fresh food? We don't have a
propane fridge and neither do the stores around here. And when the power
goes out, most of the stores close. They might have a backup generator for a
few things for a few hours. After that, nothing.
>
> You have the fire pit. You can cook great meals on a wood fire. Fires are
> not just for roasting marshmallows. One of the best steaks I ever had was
> on a camping trip and I put it on a forked stick and held it over the wood
> flames.
>
And apparently you like that kind of food. I do not. But again, moot point.
Nowhere to get a steak if no one has power.

> I would never dream of fire cooking vienna sausages or spam. Potatoes are
> good with a wood fire but you bury them underneath hot coals for an hour
> or so. Cattail roots the same...just like small potatoes.

No cattail roots here either. I was speaking of emergency foods because
that's all we would have with no power.
>
> I don't use my oven that often during the hottest months but other than
> that, I still make anything I get the urge for. I'll even use the oven for
> a quick pizza but I won't roast a ham or turkey for hours.

I presume that you have a gas oven?

On 6/24/2017 12:49 PM, Gary wrote:

>
> You have the fire pit. You can cook great meals on a wood fire. Fires
> are not just for roasting marshmallows. One of the best steaks I ever
> had was on a camping trip and I put it on a forked stick and held it
> over the wood flames.
>
> I would never dream of fire cooking vienna sausages or spam. Potatoes
> are good with a wood fire but you bury them underneath hot coals for an
> hour or so. Cattail roots the same...just like small potatoes.
>
> I don't use my oven that often during the hottest months but other than
> that, I still make anything I get the urge for. I'll even use the oven
> for a quick pizza but I won't roast a ham or turkey for hours.
>

Fire pits can be fun to cook on. If you are in an area of frequent
outages you'd spend $20 and keep a portable propane stove in a closet,
just in case.

I have a propane grill with side burner and can make anything you can do
on a kitchen range, even bake a cake.

Cheri wrote:
>Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>> I wish we could get to the point of not discussing Trump in any way
>> shape or form. Politics don't really belong here, nor do many other
>> topics. Why else would it be called rec.food.cooking?
>
>Truly! I only discuss politics and religion with like minded friends and
>never while cooking. ;-)

Cheri, that's how it used to be here but it all changed when certain
hypocrites had to announce their freakish disgusting appetite killing
sexual proclivity and remind us at every opportunity.

I for one don't even discuss religion, politics, and personal finances
with friends... I discovered many years ago that's how to destroy
friendships.

Where I live now in a farming community a safe conversation is about
the weather, in fact all anyone can do is talk about it, there's
nothing to be done about it. With my neighbors we mostly discuss
gardening and land management... planting our vegetable gardens and
putting in new ponds, culverts, and gravel roadways are popular
topics this time of year, and any other construction jobs. I've been
very occupied lately with preparing and planting my vegetable garden,
it's all done now and just need to wait for the crop to come in. We
had excessive rain and cold weather for this time of year so we're
about a month late with gardening. Now I'm busy with mowing, and
since it's been so wet mowing has been difficult, there's about half I
couldn't even get to to mow. Finally yesterday I was able to mow most
of one path to my back field and I was able to mow the back field too
only to discover that six humongous dead trees ad fallen into the
field over the winter. I took the time to cut up the two smallest
with a bow saw but then I continued to mow the back field before it
rained again and the sky was turning black so I rushed and just mowed
around the fallen trees, I'll get to them within the next couple of
weeks. It took me four hours to mow that back field and the path too
as the growth was four feet high already, so it was only a rough mow,
it'll look like a park again again with two more mowings. That back
field is about four acres, it's my favorite area of this property as
it's totally secluded and very bucolic/scenic, bordered to the south
with gorgeous mature shagbark hickory trees. The trees that fell are
yellow pine, they were hit with a disease some five years ago. I had
11 of them near my house removed before they fell but the ones in the
back field I will remove myself as they fall... hopefully most will
fall into the forest rather than onto the field. New young spruce are
already taking over as they have reseeded themself. Spruce grows
quickly and these are already about 6' tall, if I was into cutting
Christmas trees I could easly sell them but I don't cut healthy trees.

I would be posting more pictures but with Verizon taking over AOL they
don't have their act together, the take over was too premature so a
lot of functions are not working. Hopefully things will be back in
order soon or I will have to move to a different ISP... AOL was
fantastic under Steve Case. I think the internet has been going
backwards and downhill lately, my wife uses gmail and she is very
computer literate, she was teh IT person with Colgate Polmolive
Accounting but she is having problems too.

I'm always very busy here during warm weather and this has been an
especially busy spring, hardly time for RFC.

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 20:35:02 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>news
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> Mine is set for 78 right now because they are asking people to do that to
>>> ensure that the grid stays on. I prefer it lower, but during this heat
>>> wave I can do it because the alternative could be a brown out or a black
>>> out which would be simply awful.
>>
>> I saw something on Tucker Carlson earlier. The guest said if a missile
>> were to take down our grid, we could be without power for 6 months or so.
>> If that happened, many of us would die. Scary thing.
>>
>> When I lived in CA, we had rolling blackouts. Ours always seemed to occur
>> at meal time. Very annoying. We were also supposed to limit the use of
>> dishwashers and washing machines/dryers and use them only at certain times
>> of the day.
>>
>> I've been bagging up ice for the freezer. Am enjoying a big bottle of ice
>> water with fresh peppermint in it. Yum!
>
>I was reading a novel a few months ago called 77 Days in September, it
>really makes you think of all the things that we are dependent on that would
>be no more and the devastation it would cause if an EMP happened. I have
>been having ice water with fresh mint in it, good stuff.
>
>Cheri

I've been having fresh frozen water with fresh lemon, Sprite, and
vodka, good stuff. I don't drink alcohol til after 4PM, I may have
one more later.

> wrote in message
news
> I would be posting more pictures but with Verizon taking over AOL they
> don't have their act together, the take over was too premature so a
> lot of functions are not working. Hopefully things will be back in
> order soon or I will have to move to a different ISP... AOL was
> fantastic under Steve Case. I think the internet has been going
> backwards and downhill lately, my wife uses gmail and she is very
> computer literate, she was teh IT person with Colgate Polmolive
> Accounting but she is having problems too.

I always enjoy your pics of where you live, quite beautiful.

Cheri

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 14:35:47 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
>news >
>> I would be posting more pictures but with Verizon taking over AOL they
>> don't have their act together, the take over was too premature so a
>> lot of functions are not working. Hopefully things will be back in
>> order soon or I will have to move to a different ISP... AOL was
>> fantastic under Steve Case. I think the internet has been going
>> backwards and downhill lately, my wife uses gmail and she is very
>> computer literate, she was teh IT person with Colgate Polmolive
>> Accounting but she is having problems too.
>
>I always enjoy your pics of where you live, quite beautiful.
>
>Cheri

Were you nearby and able you'd be welcome to visit... I'd be glad to
give you the grand tour.
Hopefully Ill be able to post pictures soon.

"Cheri" wrote in message news
> wrote in message
news
> I would be posting more pictures but with Verizon taking over AOL they
> don't have their act together, the take over was too premature so a
> lot of functions are not working. Hopefully things will be back in
> order soon or I will have to move to a different ISP... AOL was
> fantastic under Steve Case. I think the internet has been going
> backwards and downhill lately, my wife uses gmail and she is very
> computer literate, she was teh IT person with Colgate Polmolive
> Accounting but she is having problems too.

I always enjoy your pics of where you live, quite beautiful.

Cheri

==

Yes, he is very lucky to have all that lovely land)



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