I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather but
our turn is coming. They say we'll break a record. Meanwhile, I am planning
on not really cooking.

I will make the whole batch of that potato salad that I recently made. Will
try to do that before the serious heat hits. That went over much better than
I thought it would.

I bought plenty of fresh veggies and tostada shells so we can have bean
tostadas. Those only require heating the beans. Also bought stuff for
sandwiches. And some Stouffer's stuffed peppers. Only got those because they
were super cheap and can be done in the microwave. Also fresh Mozzarella to
go with the fresh basil, tomatoes and balsamic reduction.

Bring on the heat! I'm ready.

On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 11:21:26 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather but
> our turn is coming. They say we'll break a record. Meanwhile, I am planning
> on not really cooking.
>
> I will make the whole batch of that potato salad that I recently made. Will
> try to do that before the serious heat hits. That went over much better than
> I thought it would.
>
> I bought plenty of fresh veggies and tostada shells so we can have bean
> tostadas. Those only require heating the beans. Also bought stuff for
> sandwiches. And some Stouffer's stuffed peppers. Only got those because they
> were super cheap and can be done in the microwave. Also fresh Mozzarella to
> go with the fresh basil, tomatoes and balsamic reduction.
>
> Bring on the heat! I'm ready.

We're having a brief spike of 90 F today, but I don't mind the heat
on weekdays because my workplace is air-conditioned (as is my house).
By Saturday it'll be an unseasonably mild 76 F, which is pretty decent
for yard work.

Cindy Hamilton

On 6/22/2017 6:14 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 11:21:26 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
>> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather but
>> our turn is coming. They say we'll break a record. Meanwhile, I am planning
>> on not really cooking.
>>
>
(snippage)

> We're having a brief spike of 90 F today, but I don't mind the heat
> on weekdays because my workplace is air-conditioned (as is my house).
> By Saturday it'll be an unseasonably mild 76 F, which is pretty decent
> for yard work.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
It's been in the 90's off and on since May. It's only supposed to hit
84F today (it's already 82F). 80's, 90's, doesn't feel much different
due to the high humidity. I've lived without A/C in the past but I sure
couldn't do it now. I stay indoors most of the summer.

OB Food: No idea yet.

Jill

On Thursday, June 22, 2017 at 9:39:17 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 6/22/2017 6:14 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 21, 2017 at 11:21:26 PM UTC-4, Julie Bove wrote:
> >> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather but
> >> our turn is coming. They say we'll break a record. Meanwhile, I am planning
> >> on not really cooking.
> >>
> >
> (snippage)
>
> > We're having a brief spike of 90 F today, but I don't mind the heat
> > on weekdays because my workplace is air-conditioned (as is my house).
> > By Saturday it'll be an unseasonably mild 76 F, which is pretty decent
> > for yard work.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> It's been in the 90's off and on since May. It's only supposed to hit
> 84F today (it's already 82F). 80's, 90's, doesn't feel much different
> due to the high humidity. I've lived without A/C in the past but I sure
> couldn't do it now. I stay indoors most of the summer.

The perils of owning 2 acres. We try to do the hard yardwork in the
spring and fall. Mowing in the summer isn't too bad, and generally
the rain dries up between late June and mid-August, and I only have
to mow once or twice during that time, to knock down the chicory
and Queen Anne's lace.

I stay indoors as much as possible, too.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2017-06-22 10:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> The perils of owning 2 acres. We try to do the hard yardwork in the
> spring and fall. Mowing in the summer isn't too bad, and generally
> the rain dries up between late June and mid-August, and I only have
> to mow once or twice during that time, to knock down the chicory
> and Queen Anne's lace.
>
> I stay indoors as much as possible, too.
>

My actually property is a little less than an acre but it abuts an
unopened road allowance with a gravel lane, so about 12 extra feet wide
and 456 feet deep. The soil is a very rich sandy loam, so I have to mow
2-3 times a week in the spring. When things dry up in summer the grass
grows so little that I only need to cut it about every two weeks, though
unruly weeds may call for more frequent mowing. I try to keep them to a
minimum with either an eco friendly weed killer or by plucking them out
with the Ground Hog weeder.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in
news
> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather
> but our turn is coming.

Last Monday 120, a record. 113 to 116 until Wednesday - that's as far as
the forecasts go. So far my evaporative cooler has kept my inside temps
bearable, around 95. The A/C is there if it gets to be too much.




>



--
I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.

"KenK" > wrote in message
...
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
> news >
>> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather
>> but our turn is coming.
>
> Last Monday 120, a record. 113 to 116 until Wednesday - that's as far as
> the forecasts go. So far my evaporative cooler has kept my inside temps
> bearable, around 95. The A/C is there if it gets to be too much.

I would be unhappy at 95.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
news
>
> "KenK" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>> news >>
>>> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather
>>> but our turn is coming.
>>
>> Last Monday 120, a record. 113 to 116 until Wednesday - that's as far as
>> the forecasts go. So far my evaporative cooler has kept my inside temps
>> bearable, around 95. The A/C is there if it gets to be too much.
>
> I would be unhappy at 95.


I would be extremely unhappy at 95.

Cheri

On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 1:17:09 AM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> news
> >
> > "KenK" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
> >> news > >>
> >>> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather
> >>> but our turn is coming.
> >>
> >> Last Monday 120, a record. 113 to 116 until Wednesday - that's as far as
> >> the forecasts go. So far my evaporative cooler has kept my inside temps
> >> bearable, around 95. The A/C is there if it gets to be too much.
> >
> > I would be unhappy at 95.
>
>
> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.

Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.

Cindy Hamilton

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 03:24:46 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 1:17:09 AM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> news
>> >
>> > "KenK" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>> >> news >> >>
>> >>> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather
>> >>> but our turn is coming.
>> >>
>> >> Last Monday 120, a record. 113 to 116 until Wednesday - that's as far as
>> >> the forecasts go. So far my evaporative cooler has kept my inside temps
>> >> bearable, around 95. The A/C is there if it gets to be too much.
>> >
>> > I would be unhappy at 95.
>>
>>
>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>
>Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Mine is at 71ºF too.

On 6/23/2017 7:41 AM, wrote:

>>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>>>
>>>
>>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>>
>> Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Mine is at 71ºF too.
>

Just a couple of wimps that can't take a little heat. Mine is set at a
much warmer 72

It's called summer.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/23/2017 7:41 AM, wrote:
>
>>>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>>>
>>> Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Mine is at 71ºF too.
>>
>
> Just a couple of wimps that can't take a little heat. Mine is set at a
> much warmer 72


Mine is set for 78 right now because they are asking people to do that to
ensure that the grid stays on. I prefer it lower, but during this heat wave
I can do it because the alternative could be a brown out or a black out
which would be simply awful.

Cheri

"The Newest Other Guy" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:43:22 -0700, "Cheri" > wrote:
>
>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>>> On 6/23/2017 7:41 AM, wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>>>>>
>>>>> Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> Mine is at 71ºF too.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Just a couple of wimps that can't take a little heat. Mine is set at a
>>> much warmer 72
>>
>>
>>Mine is set for 78 right now because they are asking people to do that to
>>ensure that the grid stays on. I prefer it lower, but during this heat
>>wave
>>I can do it because the alternative could be a brown out or a black out
>>which would be simply awful.
>
> Revealed on the news today, California has TOO MUCH electricity,
> so is selling it at a loss to Arizona, so that they can keep
> the consumer price high here at home, AND not overload the
> grid.

It figures!

Cheri

On 6/23/2017 1:16 AM, Cheri wrote:
> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.

Heheh... I seriously doubt I'll last that long...31 more years? I don't
think so and I probably won't want to see that. You never know though. A
few (very few) in my family have lived way beyond that age. One of my
great-grandfathers lived until right before age 102.

And also talking about the real 95 subject (temps). I've had several
days of thqt recently and with the humidity factored in.....it's just
been plain miserable here.

Thank GOD for ac. One of the best inventions ever, imo.

On 2017-06-23, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> However, swamp coolers aren't nearly as effective, and during the
> monsoon season with much higher humidity, they don't do much good at
> all.

Not sure what the "monsoon season" is, in AZ, but I once lived in
Chandler during Aug and it was insanely hot AND humid. We had a roof
mounted "swamp cooler". We'd turn it on during the day and by time
nightfall came around, the house was livable. By morning, the
bedsheets would be damp from the humidity and the swamp cooler, but at
least it was cool when we went to bed.

nb

On 6/23/2017 9:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/23/2017 7:41 AM, wrote:
>
>>>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>>>
>>> Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Mine is at 71ºF too.
>>
>
> Just a couple of wimps that can't take a little heat. Mine is set at a
> much warmer 72

Mine is set at 75 and I turn it off when I leave for work and also when
I go to bed at night. I do use a bedroom fan though.

Been hot and humid here lately so even 75 feels great to me.

On 6/23/2017 11:07 AM, wrote:
> It's called summer.
>

LOL. You got it. We all complain about the cold in winter and the heat
in summer. That said, summers are definitely getting hotter...global
warming or is it just Gary Aging? lol

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:38:32 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 6/23/2017 11:07 AM, wrote:
>> It's called summer.
>>
>
>LOL. You got it. We all complain about the cold in winter and the heat
>in summer. That said, summers are definitely getting hotter...global
>warming or is it just Gary Aging? lol

Can't you tell Trump about global warming? Coming from one of his
voters, he might take it seriously.

On 2017-06-23 3:35 PM, Gary wrote:
> On 6/23/2017 9:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/23/2017 7:41 AM, wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>>>>
>>>> Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Mine is at 71ºF too.
>>>
>>
>> Just a couple of wimps that can't take a little heat. Mine is set at a
>> much warmer 72
>
> Mine is set at 75 and I turn it off when I leave for work and also when
> I go to bed at night. I do use a bedroom fan though.
>
> Been hot and humid here lately so even 75 feels great to me.
>
It has been up and down like a yoyo hear. On Monday it was hot and humid
but Tuesday was cool and windy. Wednesday was warm and rainy. Right
now it is cool and pouring rain.

On 6/23/2017 3:11 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Arizona would have a much smallaer population if it were not for A/C.
> Swamp coolers, the precursor to A/C, are still in heavy use here, and
> many people jave both installed. However, swamp coolers aren't nearly
> as effective, and during the monsoon season with much higher humidity,
> they don't do much good at all.

From what I've heard, swamp coolers work in dry climates by adding
humidity to the air. Julie in Seattle area had bought a couple in past
years but that area is not dry. They sure wouldn't work here in
virginia... the last thing you want is to add humidity to the air.

She suffers each summer but is stubborn about buying even a small air
conditioner. She will break down and figure a way to add one as summers
seem to get progressively hotter plus she gets older and less tolerant
to hot days

I've got ac and I try to use it sparingly....a higher temp with ac
combined with a fan blowing on me at night works ok but when I had
ferrets for 12 years, I often kept the ac on just for them. Unlike cats
and dogs that can pant to dispell body heat, ferrets can't do that and
you risk heat stroke and death once the temp goes over 80F inside.

I still often have to work out in this heat and it can be very brutal. I
sometimes come home so wet from sweat, it's like I got hosed off.
When it's that way, I come home and turn on the ac and I don't care how
much the electric bill is....this is survival in the semi-south.

And as I said in another thread, YES I believe in global warming.
Summers get progressively hotter each year - for the last 45 years that
I've lived right here.

On 6/23/2017 3:31 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-06-23, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
>
>> However, swamp coolers aren't nearly as effective, and during the
>> monsoon season with much higher humidity, they don't do much good at
>> all.
>
> Not sure what the "monsoon season" is, in AZ, but I once lived in
> Chandler during Aug and it was insanely hot AND humid. We had a roof
> mounted "swamp cooler". We'd turn it on during the day and by time
> nightfall came around, the house was livable. By morning, the
> bedsheets would be damp from the humidity and the swamp cooler, but at
> least it was cool when we went to bed.
>
> nb
>

Just reading that, sounds like a recipe for serious mildew to take over
your house. "bedsheet would be damp"

If anyone here suffers from hot nights (because you are too tight to use
an ac)....Pay attention here Julie lol :-)

I spent one summer without ac and could barely sleep at night even with
a fan blowing on me. This one thing worked well for me though...I
always crammed a pillow into the freezer. When I woke up during the
middle of the night and couldn't sleep due to heat, I would grab that
frozen pillow and lay down on that against my head.. It stayed cold
enough until I fell back to sleep. It did work...don't laugh.

On 6/23/2017 3:49 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:38:32 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/2017 11:07 AM, wrote:
>>> It's called summer.
>>>
>>
>> LOL. You got it. We all complain about the cold in winter and the heat
>> in summer. That said, summers are definitely getting hotter...global
>> warming or is it just Gary Aging? lol
>
> Can't you tell Trump about global warming? Coming from one of his
> voters, he might take it seriously.

LOL To be honest here and coming from a USain. I did support Trump in
the early months of him running. I really thought he was just saying all
this weird nonsense just to get noticed. I always thought that once he
was up for election, he would settle down and act normal.

He didn't. He really was that weird. The 3 debates he did with Hillary
was when I really learned his true self. I didn't like her but I didn't
like what I found out about him either.

I ended up doing a protest vote for neither of them. Now that he's been
our president, IMO, he refuses to act "presidential" and he's a constant
embarrassment to all usains, imo. All this tweeting and the crappy
haircut and........

IMO, he will NEVER get re-elected if only the Democrats can come up with
a candidate that's worth considering.

As I said, I liked his wild side early, but then I didn't vote for him.
Now I'm even embarrassed that I said good about him way back then.

So there you go... an honest accessment from a us citizen.

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 6/23/2017 7:41 AM, wrote:
>
> > > > > I would be unhappy at 95.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
> > >
> > > Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Mine is at 71ºF too.
> >
>
> Just a couple of wimps that can't take a little heat. Mine is set at
> a much warmer 72

Mine is at 80 but we have a lot of fans so the 'feels like' temp is
about 76. We drop it at night (better for sleeping) to 74.

--

On 6/23/2017 3:52 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 23 Jun 2017 12:35:34p, Gary told us...
>> Mine is set at 75 and I turn it off when I leave for work and also
>> when I go to bed at night. I do use a bedroom fan though.
>>
>> Been hot and humid here lately so even 75 feels great to me.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Unless you're gone for days at a a time, it isn't economical to turn
> it off and on, or even to raised the temperature setting rather high
> and then cool it down to much lower. Your system works much more
> efficiently at a constant setting, or varying it only by a few
> degrees. According to HVAC engineers, this is a proven fact.


Ha. When I just wrote that, I KNEW someone would refute it like you just
did. I know the theory but believe me, I've lived in this apartment and
I tried it both way -

1) set ac and leave it on all summer at constant temp
2) same temp but turn off and on as I come and go

I've done that and my off and on saves half the electricity each month.
Maybe because my place is small (1100 sq feet). It does retain the cool
when I turn it off in the morning. I come home 10 hours later...it's 95
outside and maybe 78 inside...just residual coolness.

I know that "leave it on" is the popular way and maybe that works on
larger houses. I've done both ways though and no way leaving the ac on
saves me money....equals about twice the electric bill when I've done it.

Theories are good and I understand that theory but it does not work in
my little abode.
\

On 2017-06-23, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:

> In AZ summer is called Hell on Earth.

If you mean over 100 deg F by 10am in the morning, nightly thunderstorms
that drop zero rain, and car door handles that inflict 1st degree
burn, yep, that's AZ in the Summer.

> Winter is rather pleasant.

Which is why "snowbirds" have run natives outta AZ. We gotta few up
here in the CO Rockies.

nb

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:58:17 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 6/23/2017 3:49 PM, Bruce wrote:

>> Can't you tell Trump about global warming? Coming from one of his
>> voters, he might take it seriously.
>
>LOL To be honest here and coming from a USain. I did support Trump in
>the early months of him running. I really thought he was just saying all
>this weird nonsense just to get noticed. I always thought that once he
>was up for election, he would settle down and act normal.
>
>He didn't. He really was that weird. The 3 debates he did with Hillary
>was when I really learned his true self. I didn't like her but I didn't
>like what I found out about him either.
>
>I ended up doing a protest vote for neither of them. Now that he's been
>our president, IMO, he refuses to act "presidential" and he's a constant
>embarrassment to all usains, imo. All this tweeting and the crappy
>haircut and........
>
>IMO, he will NEVER get re-elected if only the Democrats can come up with
>a candidate that's worth considering.
>
>As I said, I liked his wild side early, but then I didn't vote for him.
>Now I'm even embarrassed that I said good about him way back then.
>
>So there you go... an honest accessment from a us citizen.

I can understand that people liked a fresh wind in politics in the
beginning. Traditional politicians are awful. But I think you'd have
to be pretty dense to still support Trump at this point in time. He
makes Bush Jr. look like a wise leader.

On 6/23/2017 5:19 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:58:17 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/2017 3:49 PM, Bruce wrote:
>
>>> Can't you tell Trump about global warming? Coming from one of his
>>> voters, he might take it seriously.
>>
>> LOL To be honest here and coming from a USain. I did support Trump in
>> the early months of him running. I really thought he was just saying all
>> this weird nonsense just to get noticed. I always thought that once he
>> was up for election, he would settle down and act normal.
>>
>> He didn't. He really was that weird. The 3 debates he did with Hillary
>> was when I really learned his true self. I didn't like her but I didn't
>> like what I found out about him either.
>>
>> I ended up doing a protest vote for neither of them. Now that he's been
>> our president, IMO, he refuses to act "presidential" and he's a constant
>> embarrassment to all usains, imo. All this tweeting and the crappy
>> haircut and........
>>
>> IMO, he will NEVER get re-elected if only the Democrats can come up with
>> a candidate that's worth considering.
>>
>> As I said, I liked his wild side early, but then I didn't vote for him.
>> Now I'm even embarrassed that I said good about him way back then.
>>
>> So there you go... an honest accessment from a us citizen.
>
> I can understand that people liked a fresh wind in politics in the
> beginning. Traditional politicians are awful. But I think you'd have
> to be pretty dense to still support Trump at this point in time. He
> makes Bush Jr. look like a wise leader.

IMO, get rid of the jackass asp. Serious embarrassment to Usains, or at
least this one.

On 6/23/2017 1:16 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> news
>>
>> "KenK" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>>> news >>>
>>>> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather
>>>> but our turn is coming.
>>>
>>> Last Monday 120, a record. 113 to 116 until Wednesday - that's as far as
>>> the forecasts go. So far my evaporative cooler has kept my inside temps
>>> bearable, around 95. The A/C is there if it gets to be too much.
>>
>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>
>
> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>
> Cheri

95 is simply too hot, especially since the humidity here is ridiculous.
Inside, I can't stand it if it's 80F. I don't tolerate heat well.
Hence, central air.

Jill

On 6/23/2017 6:24 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, June 23, 2017 at 1:17:09 AM UTC-4, Cheri wrote:
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> news
>>>
>>> "KenK" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>>>> news >>>>
>>>>> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather
>>>>> but our turn is coming.
>>>>
>>>> Last Monday 120, a record. 113 to 116 until Wednesday - that's as far as
>>>> the forecasts go. So far my evaporative cooler has kept my inside temps
>>>> bearable, around 95. The A/C is there if it gets to be too much.
>>>
>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>>
>>
>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>
> Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Ditto that, Cindy, and I still run the ceiling fan in whatever room I'm in.

Jill

On 6/23/2017 9:40 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/23/2017 7:41 AM, wrote:
>
>>>>> I would be unhappy at 95.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would be extremely unhappy at 95.
>>>
>>> Me, too. My thermostat is set for 71 F.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Mine is at 71ºF too.
>>
>
> Just a couple of wimps that can't take a little heat. Mine is set at a
> much warmer 72

LOL Ed! Believe it or not, I can feel that one degree difference. Then
again (TMI) I still get occasional hot flashes.

Jill

Julie Bove wrote:
> I feel sorry for those who are suffering through horribly hot weather but
> our turn is coming. They say we'll break a record. Meanwhile, I am planning
> on not really cooking.
>
> I will make the whole batch of that potato salad that I recently made. Will
> try to do that before the serious heat hits. That went over much better than
> I thought it would.
>
> I bought plenty of fresh veggies and tostada shells so we can have bean
> tostadas. Those only require heating the beans. Also bought stuff for
> sandwiches. And some Stouffer's stuffed peppers. Only got those because they
> were super cheap and can be done in the microwave. Also fresh Mozzarella to
> go with the fresh basil, tomatoes and balsamic reduction.
>
> Bring on the heat! I'm ready.

the high will be 90 on Sunday

hot enough to wear anti-perspirant!

Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 6/23/2017 3:52 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > On Fri 23 Jun 2017 12:35:34p, Gary told us...
> > > Mine is set at 75 and I turn it off when I leave for work and also
> > > when I go to bed at night. I do use a bedroom fan though.
> > >
> > > Been hot and humid here lately so even 75 feels great to me.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Unless you're gone for days at a a time, it isn't economical to turn
> > it off and on, or even to raised the temperature setting rather high
> > and then cool it down to much lower. Your system works much more
> > efficiently at a constant setting, or varying it only by a few
> > degrees. According to HVAC engineers, this is a proven fact.
>
>
> Ha. When I just wrote that, I KNEW someone would refute it like you
> just did. I know the theory but believe me, I've lived in this
> apartment and I tried it both way -
>
> 1) set ac and leave it on all summer at constant temp
> 2) same temp but turn off and on as I come and go
>
> I've done that and my off and on saves half the electricity each
> month. Maybe because my place is small (1100 sq feet). It does
> retain the cool when I turn it off in the morning. I come home 10
> hours later...it's 95 outside and maybe 78 inside...just residual
> coolness.
>
> I know that "leave it on" is the popular way and maybe that works on
> larger houses. I've done both ways though and no way leaving the ac
> on saves me money....equals about twice the electric bill when I've
> done it.
>
> Theories are good and I understand that theory but it does not work
> in my little abode. \

Hi Gary,

I think a lot has to do with insulation levels and probably heat
blocking curtins that help that. I have someone here pretty much 24/7
and a bigger place so turning off doesnt make sense. I am pretty well
insulated though.

We do keep it warmer than most in summer, but it's all in what you are
used to so it doesn't bother us at all.

It's winter when my cost cutting kicks in. The houses around me are
all a little smaller (ours was the little upscale in the new
subdivision when built). I have a functional fireplace and know how to
correctly use it. Between better insulation and it's use, I run 1/3
less easily in winter on bills for heating.

--

On 6/23/2017 3:48 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 23 Jun 2017 12:31:17p, notbob told us...
>
>> On 2017-06-23, Wayne Boatwright >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> However, swamp coolers aren't nearly as effective, and during the
>>> monsoon season with much higher humidity, they don't do much good
>>> at all.
>>
>> Not sure what the "monsoon season" is, in AZ, but I once lived in
>> Chandler during Aug and it was insanely hot AND humid. We had a
>> roof mounted "swamp cooler". We'd turn it on during the day and
>> by time nightfall came around, the house was livable. By morning,
>> the bedsheets would be damp from the humidity and the swamp
>> cooler, but at least it was cool when we went to bed.
>>
>> nb
>>
>>
>
> The monsoon season in AZ used to be determined by dewpoint reading.
> I've forgotten what readings determined the begining and ending.
>
> In the past several years monsoon season has been determined by
> begining and ending dates, June 15 thru September 30.
>
> August would have always been during monsoon.
>
To me, the word "monsoon" conjurs up almost constant rain, or at least
rain every day, for a month or two.

When I was a kid my parents were driving us across country. We were
going through the Mohave desert. I don't remember what time of year it
was but suddenly the sky got pitch black and it poured down rain so hard
Dad had to pull off the [then] 2-lane highway. He couldn't see to
drive. I remember that clearly. I also clearly remember when the rain
stopped there was a huge, *brilliant* rainbow that looked like it
stretched for miles.

Jill

On 2017-06-23 5:44 PM, Gary wrote:

>> I can understand that people liked a fresh wind in politics in the
>> beginning. Traditional politicians are awful. But I think you'd have
>> to be pretty dense to still support Trump at this point in time. He
>> makes Bush Jr. look like a wise leader.
>
> IMO, get rid of the jackass asp. Serious embarrassment to Usains, or at
> least this one.
>

Let's go back to pre-election times and your posts supporting the
Trumpster.

On 2017-06-23 5:59 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> 95 is simply too hot, especially since the humidity here is ridiculous.
> Inside, I can't stand it if it's 80F. I don't tolerate heat well.
> Hence, central air.


It rarely gets up to 95 here. Heck, it rarely gets about 85. That's a
good thing because that is about the point where we start to melt,
mainly because of the humidity. When I was in southern California on
vacation it was rarely below 95, and it felt pretty good to me.

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:40:09 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-06-23 5:44 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>>> I can understand that people liked a fresh wind in politics in the
>>> beginning. Traditional politicians are awful. But I think you'd have
>>> to be pretty dense to still support Trump at this point in time. He
>>> makes Bush Jr. look like a wise leader.
>>
>> IMO, get rid of the jackass asp. Serious embarrassment to Usains, or at
>> least this one.
>>
>
>Let's go back to pre-election times and your posts supporting the
>Trumpster.

But he explained how and why he changed his mind. And didn't even vote
for him.

On 6/23/2017 6:06 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> Cats that iive in an aar conditioned environment teir entire life
> suffer terribly when it suddenly becoms hot. Back in 2009 or so our
> A/C wnet out and could not be repaired fo several days. Our indoor
> temperature was around 95 degres. The cats sufferede so badly during
> the first day and night that we checked into a motel for nearly a
> week. Two of our cats appeared to have heat stroke. Our vet told us
> that given the conditions none of the cats were likely to survive if
> we hadn't gotten them into a cool environment.
>
My central AC went out in the summer just a couple of years after I had
it replaced. (It was still much under warranty.) A part had failed.
The technician said they'd gotten a spate of calls about the same
problem in the span of a few days. The warehouse couldn't get the part
for about 4 days. Miserable!

If the company hadn't loaned me a portable AC to cool down the bedroom,
I would have had to check into a motel with my cat Persia. I could
suffer (would rather not) but I knew Persia would get very ill.

My neighbor offered me the use of her guest bedroom, which was very nice
of her. But at the time she had two cats and Persia simply would not
tolerate being around other cats. (I doubt her cats would have been
happy, either; they only tolerated *each other*.) I was so very
thankful the technician brought over a portable AC unit.

Jill

On 6/23/2017 6:50 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 23 Jun 2017 03:09:38p, jmcquown told us...
>
>> On 6/23/2017 3:48 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Fri 23 Jun 2017 12:31:17p, notbob told us...
>>>
>>>> On 2017-06-23, Wayne Boatwright >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> However, swamp coolers aren't nearly as effective, and during
>>>>> the monsoon season with much higher humidity, they don't do
>>>>> much good at all.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what the "monsoon season" is, in AZ, but I once lived
>>>> in Chandler during Aug and it was insanely hot AND humid. We
>>>> had a roof mounted "swamp cooler". We'd turn it on during the
>>>> day and by time nightfall came around, the house was livable.
>>>> By morning, the bedsheets would be damp from the humidity and
>>>> the swamp cooler, but at least it was cool when we went to bed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The monsoon season in AZ used to be determined by dewpoint
>>> reading. I've forgotten what readings determined the begining and
>>> ending.
>>>
>>> In the past several years monsoon season has been determined by
>>> begining and ending dates, June 15 thru September 30.
>>>
>>> August would have always been during monsoon.
>>>
>> To me, the word "monsoon" conjurs up almost constant rain, or at
>> least rain every day, for a month or two.
>>
>> When I was a kid my parents were driving us across country. We
>> were going through the Mohave desert. I don't remember what time
>> of year it was but suddenly the sky got pitch black and it poured
>> down rain so hard Dad had to pull off the [then] 2-lane highway.
>> He couldn't see to drive. I remember that clearly. I also
>> clearly remember when the rain stopped there was a huge,
>> *brilliant* rainbow that looked like it stretched for miles.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> In many parts of the world monsoons definitely include constant rain
> and flooding. In AZ it ofen does rain during monsoon, but mmost of
> the time only a matter of hours and certainly not everyday or
> constant days in row. It really has more to do with the winds and
> humidity,
>
Thanks for the explanation. I guess it comes from living in a
semi-tropical climate I interpret monsoon a little differently.

Jill

On 6/23/2017 6:40 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-06-23 5:44 PM, Gary wrote:
>
>>> I can understand that people liked a fresh wind in politics in the
>>> beginning. Traditional politicians are awful. But I think you'd have
>>> to be pretty dense to still support Trump at this point in time. He
>>> makes Bush Jr. look like a wise leader.
>>
>> IMO, get rid of the jackass asp. Serious embarrassment to Usains, or
>> at least this one.
>>
>
> Let's go back to pre-election times and your posts supporting the
> Trumpster.

Please, let's don't.

Jill