In article >,
says...
>
> Am Samstag, 24. Juni 2017 14:49:09 UTC+2 schrieb Janet:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Fri 23 Jun 2017 12:24:37p, Sjeef told us...
> > >
> > > > Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. (Noel Coward)
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > I love Noel Coward!
> >
> > News flash, he's dead
>
> Oh no!
> So I'm not allowed to love those old movies with dead actors any more either?
> No more Douglas Adams? Oliver Sacks? Shakespeare? Goethe? Schiller?
> Darn.

you can love the movies, but best not to love old corpses. It's the
smell..

Janet UK

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend has
> > > one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She starts
> > > it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the street. Reason
> > > they are not recommended is that someone can just break a
> > > window, get in and take off. She already had her car stolen
> > > while she was at work. It's an older one but one of the most
> > > commonly stolen because there were only 6 different keys made
> > > that year.
> >
> > Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an automatic
> > kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put it in gear and it
> > goes dead. Maybe some starters were not like that 30 years ago,
> > but not in the past 15 that I'm aware of.
>
> Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd never even
> heard of them when she got hers.
> >
> > Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in it
> > while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
>
> Yes.

Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it and
it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.

--

Am Samstag, 24. Juni 2017 21:53:54 UTC+2 schrieb Janet:
> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > Am Samstag, 24. Juni 2017 14:49:09 UTC+2 schrieb Janet:
> > > In article >,
> > > says...
> > > >
> > > > On Fri 23 Jun 2017 12:24:37p, Sjeef told us...
> > > >
> > > > > Mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the midday sun. (Noel Coward)
> > > >
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > I love Noel Coward!
> > >
> > > News flash, he's dead
> >
> > Oh no!
> > So I'm not allowed to love those old movies with dead actors any more either?
> > No more Douglas Adams? Oliver Sacks? Shakespeare? Goethe? Schiller?
> > Darn.
>
> you can love the movies, but best not to love old corpses. It's the
> smell..

To love someone, he/she doesn't have to be physically present, dead or alive.
But thank you for sharing...

Bye, Sanne.

On 6/24/2017 4:42 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend has
>>>> one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She starts
>>>> it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the street. Reason
>>>> they are not recommended is that someone can just break a
>>>> window, get in and take off. She already had her car stolen
>>>> while she was at work. It's an older one but one of the most
>>>> commonly stolen because there were only 6 different keys made
>>>> that year.
>>>
>>> Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an automatic
>>> kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put it in gear and it
>>> goes dead. Maybe some starters were not like that 30 years ago,
>>> but not in the past 15 that I'm aware of.
>>
>> Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd never even
>> heard of them when she got hers.
>>>
>>> Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in it
>>> while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it and
> it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.
>

Some cars will not lock from the outside if the key is in it so you
cannot lock your keys inside

Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 6/24/2017 4:42 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > >
> >>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend
> > > > > has one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She
> > > > > starts it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the
> > > > > street. Reason they are not recommended is that someone can
> > > > > just break a window, get in and take off. She already had
> > > > > her car stolen while she was at work. It's an older one but
> > > > > one of the most commonly stolen because there were only 6
> > > > > different keys made that year.
> > > >
> > > > Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an automatic
> > > > kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put it in gear
> > > > and it goes dead. Maybe some starters were not like that 30
> > > > years ago, but not in the past 15 that I'm aware of.
> > >
> > > Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd never
> > > even heard of them when she got hers.
> > > >
> > > > Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in it
> > > > while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it and
> > it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.
> >
>
> Some cars will not lock from the outside if the key is in it so you
> cannot lock your keys inside

I've never had one of those. Even with a FOB, the other one will lock
it from outside.

--

On 2017-06-24 5:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 6/24/2017 4:42 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend
>>>>>> has one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She
>>>>>> starts it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the
>>>>>> street. Reason they are not recommended is that someone can
>>>>>> just break a window, get in and take off. She already had
>>>>>> her car stolen while she was at work. It's an older one but
>>>>>> one of the most commonly stolen because there were only 6
>>>>>> different keys made that year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an automatic
>>>>> kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put it in gear
>>>>> and it goes dead. Maybe some starters were not like that 30
>>>>> years ago, but not in the past 15 that I'm aware of.
>>>>
>>>> Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd never
>>>> even heard of them when she got hers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in it
>>>>> while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
>>>>
>>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it and
>>> it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.
>>>
>>
>> Some cars will not lock from the outside if the key is in it so you
>> cannot lock your keys inside
>
> I've never had one of those. Even with a FOB, the other one will lock
> it from outside.

I have never even heard of one of those. I know all to well that modern
cars, the type that have remote access keys, will lock with the keys in
the ignition and engine running.

Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2017-06-24 5:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 6/24/2017 4:42 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> > > > >
> >>>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My
> > > > > > > friend has one and I always worry that her car will be
> > > > > > > stolen. She starts it from her bedroom and the car is
> > > > > > > parked on the street. Reason they are not recommended is
> > > > > > > that someone can just break a window, get in and take
> > > > > > > off. She already had her car stolen while she was at
> > > > > > > work. It's an older one but one of the most commonly
> > > > > > > stolen because there were only 6 different keys made
> > > > > > > that year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an
> > > > > > automatic kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put
> > > > > > it in gear and it goes dead. Maybe some starters were not
> > > > > > like that 30 years ago, but not in the past 15 that I'm
> > > > > > aware of.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd
> > > > > never even heard of them when she got hers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key
> > > > > > in it while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes.
> > > >
> > > > Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock
> > > > it and it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the
> > > > car.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Some cars will not lock from the outside if the key is in it so
> > > you cannot lock your keys inside
> >
> > I've never had one of those. Even with a FOB, the other one will
> > lock it from outside.
>
> I have never even heard of one of those. I know all to well that
> modern cars, the type that have remote access keys, will lock with
> the keys in the ignition and engine running.

THats why I have spares. So we can lock the one running to warm up in
the morning, while we have our tea. We may not have much ice to scrape
here compared to nothern critters, but it's still a pain to do.

--

cshenk wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On 2017-06-24 5:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > > > On 6/24/2017 4:42 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >>>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My
> > > > > > > > friend has one and I always worry that her car will be
> > > > > > > > stolen. She starts it from her bedroom and the car is
> > > > > > > > parked on the street. Reason they are not recommended
> > > > > > > > is that someone can just break a window, get in and take
> > > > > > > > off. She already had her car stolen while she was at
> > > > > > > > work. It's an older one but one of the most commonly
> > > > > > > > stolen because there were only 6 different keys made
> > > > > > > > that year.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an
> > > > > > > automatic kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to
> > > > > > > put it in gear and it goes dead. Maybe some starters
> > > > > > > were not like that 30 years ago, but not in the past 15
> > > > > > > that I'm aware of.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd
> > > > > > never even heard of them when she got hers.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key
> > > > > > > in it while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock
> > > > > it and it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the
> > > > > car.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Some cars will not lock from the outside if the key is in it so
> > > > you cannot lock your keys inside
> > >
> > > I've never had one of those. Even with a FOB, the other one will
> > > lock it from outside.
> >
> > I have never even heard of one of those. I know all to well that
> > modern cars, the type that have remote access keys, will lock with
> > the keys in the ignition and engine running.
>
> THats why I have spares. So we can lock the one running to warm up in
> the morning, while we have our tea. We may not have much ice to
> scrape here compared to nothern critters, but it's still a pain to do.

Oh I think I may have it? You have to use the second fob to lock (when
outside the car) it if the car is running. Safety feature.

--

On 2017-06-24 6:17 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>> I have never even heard of one of those. I know all to well that
>> modern cars, the type that have remote access keys, will lock with
>> the keys in the ignition and engine running.
>
> THats why I have spares. So we can lock the one running to warm up in
> the morning, while we have our tea. We may not have much ice to scrape
> here compared to nothern critters, but it's still a pain to do.

Wow. How long do you leave your car running? It is considerably colder
here than where you live? The only time I leave a car running to warm
up is after ice storms or if the interior of the windows are heavily
frosted. Normally, I would just go out and start the engine and clean
snow/frost off the windshield and front windows. If they don't need to
be cleaned I just start it and let the engine run long enough to get the
oil moving. Engines warm up faster when they are working. Even on the
coldest days I have heat withing a couple minutes of driving.

FWIW, diesel engines do not really warm up when idling. You could start
a diesel engine and let it run for 15 minutes or more and it would
likely still not be hot enough to run your heater. You are better off
to start if up, let the oil start flowing, and then drive slowly for a
mile or two.

On 2017-06-24, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 6/24/2017 1:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> It feels good to walk around bare foot.

> Can be risky if you have a dog.

I quit any kinda barefootness after seeing a father wade into a muddy
riverbank and almost lose his big toe to an old sunken broken bottle.
Fortunately, he hadda buncha buddies who carried him to the ambulance.
Don't know if he eventually lost the toe, but there was lotsa blood!

nb

On 6/24/2017 6:48 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>
> Wow. How long do you leave your car running? It is considerably colder
> here than where you live? The only time I leave a car running to warm
> up is after ice storms or if the interior of the windows are heavily
> frosted. Normally, I would just go out and start the engine and clean
> snow/frost off the windshield and front windows. If they don't need to
> be cleaned I just start it and let the engine run long enough to get the
> oil moving. Engines warm up faster when they are working. Even on the
> coldest days I have heat withing a couple minutes of driving.

I turn the steering wheel heat switch on when I park the car at night.
I only run it about 5 minutes. If there is frost on the windshield I'll
remotely turn the defroster on too.


>
> FWIW, diesel engines do not really warm up when idling. You could start
> a diesel engine and let it run for 15 minutes or more and it would
> likely still not be hot enough to run your heater. You are better off
> to start if up, let the oil start flowing, and then drive slowly for a
> mile or two.

When I had a diesel it had a block heater. If it was plugged in at
night you had seat in about a minute.

Any car started with a remote and warmed up should still be driven
slowly a few miles. You also have lubricants in the transmission,
differential, wheel bearings.

Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 2017-06-24 6:17 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > > I have never even heard of one of those. I know all to well that
> > > modern cars, the type that have remote access keys, will lock with
> > > the keys in the ignition and engine running.
> >
> > THats why I have spares. So we can lock the one running to warm up
> > in the morning, while we have our tea. We may not have much ice to
> > scrape here compared to nothern critters, but it's still a pain to
> > do.
>
> Wow. How long do you leave your car running? It is considerably
> colder here than where you live? The only time I leave a car running
> to warm up is after ice storms or if the interior of the windows are
> heavily frosted. Normally, I would just go out and start the engine
> and clean snow/frost off the windshield and front windows. If they
> don't need to be cleaned I just start it and let the engine run long
> enough to get the oil moving. Engines warm up faster when they are
> working. Even on the coldest days I have heat withing a couple
> minutes of driving.
>
> FWIW, diesel engines do not really warm up when idling. You could
> start a diesel engine and let it run for 15 minutes or more and it
> would likely still not be hot enough to run your heater. You are
> better off to start if up, let the oil start flowing, and then drive
> slowly for a mile or two.

Regular gas car here and how long it runs depends on how thick the ice
is on the car that we have to melt off before I can see out. A scraper
is nice but here it tends to be 1/4-1/2 inch thick ice some mornings.

I don't bother unless there is ice on the windshields that can't be
brushed off reasonably well. We are just warm enough to be more prone
to freezing sleet that becomes an ice barrier, than actual snow. Snow
you can brush off. Sleet freezing the doors closed is a much bigger
issue here possibly.

--

"cshenk" > wrote in message
news
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend has
>> > > one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She starts
>> > > it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the street. Reason
>> > > they are not recommended is that someone can just break a
>> > > window, get in and take off. She already had her car stolen
>> > > while she was at work. It's an older one but one of the most
>> > > commonly stolen because there were only 6 different keys made
>> > > that year.
>> >
>> > Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an automatic
>> > kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put it in gear and it
>> > goes dead. Maybe some starters were not like that 30 years ago,
>> > but not in the past 15 that I'm aware of.
>>
>> Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd never even
>> heard of them when she got hers.
>> >
>> > Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in it
>> > while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
>>
>> Yes.
>
> Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it and
> it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.

Not true. Someone wanting a joy ride will just break the window.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/23/2017 11:11 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> Heat wave boosts burns in Phoenix as pavement, cars scald
>> "PHOENIX — The main burn center in Phoenix has seen its emergency
>> department visits double during the heat wave that is scorching the
>> Southwest U.S., including people burning their bare feet on the
>> scalding pavement.
>
> I've been reading this thread and the replies. I have no idea why anyone
> would walk around bare-foot, even when it's not hot outside.

Some people don't like shoes. Only time we were allowed to go barefoot was
while bathing or swimming. Otherwise, shoes or slippers at all times.

I got in big trouble after we moved into the house where I grew up. The
patio was painted and we kids thought it reminded us of a swimming pool. So
we pretended we were in one. Took our shoes and socks off and pretended to
dive off of the steps. When it was my turn, my heel landed on a thumb tack.
Trip to the Dr. for me and a nice icky tetanus shot.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...

> Can be risky if you have a dog.

I lost track of how many times we went through this when I was a kid. We'd
all get into the car and my dad would announce, "Somebody stepped in dog
doo. I can smell it! Everybody check your shoes!" And ever stinking time, it
was him. Funny thing is, for most of those years, we had no dog. And when we
did, they rarely went into the front yard so we have no clue where he kept
finding the stuff.

"notbob" > wrote in message
...
> On 2017-06-24, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 6/24/2017 1:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> It feels good to walk around bare foot.
>
>> Can be risky if you have a dog.
>
> I quit any kinda barefootness after seeing a father wade into a muddy
> riverbank and almost lose his big toe to an old sunken broken bottle.
> Fortunately, he hadda buncha buddies who carried him to the ambulance.
> Don't know if he eventually lost the toe, but there was lotsa blood!

We were once walking towards a local lake when a mom yelled at her daughter
to put her shoes on. The girl didn't and stepped on a broken bottle. She was
bleeding a lot but got no sympathy from the mom who merely said, "I told you
to put on your shoes!"

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> news
> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > >
> >>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> >>> On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> > > >
> >>> >
> >>> > In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend has
> >>> > one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She starts
> >>> > it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the street. Reason
> >>> > they are not recommended is that someone can just break a
> >>> > window, get in and take off. She already had her car stolen
> >>> > while she was at work. It's an older one but one of the most
> >>> > commonly stolen because there were only 6 different keys made
> >>> > that year.
> > > >
> >>> Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an automatic
> >>> kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put it in gear and
> it >>> goes dead. Maybe some starters were not like that 30 years
> ago, >>> but not in the past 15 that I'm aware of.
> > >
> > > Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd never
> > > even heard of them when she got hers.
> > > >
> >>> Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in it
> >>> while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
> > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> > Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it and
> > it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.
>
> Not true. Someone wanting a joy ride will just break the window.

Chances are way down though with a locked car. And if they ae going to
do that anyway, you don't need to have it running.

--

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> news
>> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> >>> On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> > > >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend has
>> >>> > one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She starts
>> >>> > it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the street. Reason
>> >>> > they are not recommended is that someone can just break a
>> >>> > window, get in and take off. She already had her car stolen
>> >>> > while she was at work. It's an older one but one of the most
>> >>> > commonly stolen because there were only 6 different keys made
>> >>> > that year.
>> > > >
>> >>> Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an automatic
>> >>> kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put it in gear and
>> it >>> goes dead. Maybe some starters were not like that 30 years
>> ago, >>> but not in the past 15 that I'm aware of.
>> > >
>> > > Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd never
>> > > even heard of them when she got hers.
>> > > >
>> >>> Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in it
>> >>> while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
>> > >
>> > > Yes.
>> >
>> > Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it and
>> > it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.
>>
>> Not true. Someone wanting a joy ride will just break the window.
>
> Chances are way down though with a locked car. And if they ae going to
> do that anyway, you don't need to have it running.

If it's running, makes it all the easier to steal. In this area, it's older
Toyotas and Hondas that are most commonly stolen.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.44...

> Odd that they wouldn't steal a luxury car.

Heh. None of those in this area! The reason older Hondas and Toyotas are so
easily stolen is that all it takes are certain keys. When my friend's Toyota
was stolen, the cops told her that there were only 6 different keys made for
that car. And there is a way to modify a key (not sure the correct term) so
that it can fit into many of them.

Often when the car is stolen, the thief is just wanting to get from point A
to point B. They'll then abandon it somewhere near but not too near where it
is that they want to go. They don't usually keep the car and they also don't
care what they might hit or damage along the way.

"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
9.45...

On Sat 24 Jun 2017 03:04:26p, Dave Smith told us...

> On 2017-06-24 5:56 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On 6/24/2017 4:42 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend
>>>>>>> has one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She
>>>>>>> starts it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the
>>>>>>> street. Reason they are not recommended is that someone can
>>>>>>> just break a window, get in and take off. She already had
>>>>>>> her car stolen while she was at work. It's an older one but
>>>>>>> one of the most commonly stolen because there were only 6
>>>>>>> different keys made that year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an
>>>>>> automatic kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put
>>>>>> it in gear and it goes dead. Maybe some starters were not
>>>>>> like that 30 years ago, but not in the past 15 that I'm
>>>>>> aware of.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd
>>>>> never even heard of them when she got hers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in
>>>>>> it while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock
>>>> it and it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the
>>>> car.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Some cars will not lock from the outside if the key is in it so
>>> you cannot lock your keys inside
>>
>> I've never had one of those. Even with a FOB, the other one will
>> lock it from outside.
>
> I have never even heard of one of those. I know all to well that
> modern cars, the type that have remote access keys, will lock with
> the keys in the ignition and engine running.
>
>

I learned that if I wanted to leave the key in the ignition and the
car running, I used a second key to lock it from the outside. Any
electronic method would not work. I do this occasionally when the
temperatures are so high.

Wayne Boatwright

==

Yes, that is what we do with our cars in winter.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Am Sonntag, 25. Juni 2017 01:17:19 UTC+2 schrieb notbob:
> On 2017-06-24, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> > On 6/24/2017 1:26 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> It feels good to walk around bare foot.
>
> > Can be risky if you have a dog.
>
> I quit any kinda barefootness after seeing a father wade into a muddy
> riverbank and almost lose his big toe to an old sunken broken bottle.
> Fortunately, he hadda buncha buddies who carried him to the ambulance.
> Don't know if he eventually lost the toe, but there was lotsa blood!

Same here in Munich, similar location (Flaucher, Munich) a few decades ago.
Not only the toe... He was lucky, too. Carrying friends (one of them a
paramedic) included.

Bye, Sanne.

On Sat, 24 Jun 2017 18:41:41 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"cshenk" > wrote in message
>news
>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>>
>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend has
>>> > > one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She starts
>>> > > it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the street. Reason
>>> > > they are not recommended is that someone can just break a
>>> > > window, get in and take off. She already had her car stolen
>>> > > while she was at work. It's an older one but one of the most
>>> > > commonly stolen because there were only 6 different keys made
>>> > > that year.
>>> >
>>> > Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an automatic
>>> > kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put it in gear and it
>>> > goes dead. Maybe some starters were not like that 30 years ago,
>>> > but not in the past 15 that I'm aware of.
>>>
>>> Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd never even
>>> heard of them when she got hers.
>>> >
>>> > Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in it
>>> > while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>
>> Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it and
>> it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.
>
>Not true. Someone wanting a joy ride will just break the window.

The last three cars I have owned had double locking. If a thief breaks
a window and disengages the door locks they still cannot open the
doors, they are going to have to crawl in through the window.

They have also had GPS tracking and the ability to shut the fuel pump
down.

JB

On 6/25/2017 8:19 AM, JBurns wrote:
> The last three cars I have owned had double locking. If a thief breaks
> a window and disengages the door locks they still cannot open the
> doors, they are going to have to crawl in through the window.
>
> They have also had GPS tracking and the ability to shut the fuel pump
> down.

Did you ever watch the old tv show called, "Bait Car?" Very funny to
watch. Cops would leave a nice car on the street with the keys in the
ignition. They staked it out and waited for someone to come by and steal
it. Once the criminal drove off for a few blocks, they would remotely
turn off the car and also remotely lock all the doors and windows. LOL

The thieves were freaking out and trapped. The excuses they claimed were
so funny.

On 2017-06-24 11:44 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 24 Jun 2017 08:36:52p, Julie Bove told us...

>> If it's running, makes it all the easier to steal. In this area,
>> it's older Toyotas and Hondas that are most commonly stolen.
>>
>>
>
> Odd that they wouldn't steal a luxury car.

It's easier to get away with in a nondescript car.

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:33:31 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-06-24 11:44 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Sat 24 Jun 2017 08:36:52p, Julie Bove told us...
>
>>> If it's running, makes it all the easier to steal. In this area,
>>> it's older Toyotas and Hondas that are most commonly stolen.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Odd that they wouldn't steal a luxury car.
>
>It's easier to get away with in a nondescript car.

That is not really the reason though. Joyriders do not steal luxury
cars because they are a lot more difficult to steal. Professional
thieves (think chopshops) steal high end cars.

JB

>

On 2017-06-25 10:50 AM, JBurns wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:33:31 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-06-24 11:44 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Sat 24 Jun 2017 08:36:52p, Julie Bove told us...
>>
>>>> If it's running, makes it all the easier to steal. In this area,
>>>> it's older Toyotas and Hondas that are most commonly stolen.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Odd that they wouldn't steal a luxury car.
>>
>> It's easier to get away with in a nondescript car.
>
> That is not really the reason though. Joyriders do not steal luxury
> cars because they are a lot more difficult to steal. Professional
> thieves (think chopshops) steal high end cars.
>

It depends a lot on the reason they are stealing the cars. High end
cars go to chop shops where there are stripped down for parts, or packed
into containers and shipped overseas. Cars that are going to be used
for robberies or drive by shootings are more likely to be cars that
don't stand out. Besides there are a lot more.

It also depends a lot on where they are stolen. Here in Ontario the list
of of the most frequently stolen vehicles has a number of luxury models.
In BC and Alberta it is Ford pickup trucks. Seriously.:

2004 Ford F-250
2000 Honda Civic 2 door
2006 Ford F-250
2006 Ford F-350
2005 Ford F-350
2007 Ford F-250
2005 Ford F-250
2001 Ford F-350
2010 Buick Enclave/Saturn Outlook
2007 Ford F-350

In the US the most stolen cars a
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Ford Pickup
Chev pickup
Toyota Camray
Dodge pickup
Toyota Corolla
Nissan Altima
Dodge Caravan
Chevrolet Impala

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > >
> >>"cshenk" > wrote in message
> > > news > >>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> >>> >
> >>>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> >>> > ...
> >>>>> On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend
> has >>>>> > one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She
> starts >>>>> > it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the
> street. Reason >>>>> > they are not recommended is that someone can
> just break a >>>>> > window, get in and take off. She already had
> her car stolen >>>>> > while she was at work. It's an older one but
> one of the most >>>>> > commonly stolen because there were only 6
> different keys made >>>>> > that year.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an automatic
> >>>>> kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put it in gear and
> >>it >>> goes dead. Maybe some starters were not like that 30 years
> >>ago, >>> but not in the past 15 that I'm aware of.
> >>> >
> >>> > Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd never
> >>> > even heard of them when she got hers.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in it
> >>>>> while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
> >>> >
> >>> > Yes.
> > > >
> >>> Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it
> and >>> it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.
> > >
> > > Not true. Someone wanting a joy ride will just break the window.
> >
> > Chances are way down though with a locked car. And if they ae
> > going to do that anyway, you don't need to have it running.
>
> If it's running, makes it all the easier to steal. In this area, it's
> older Toyotas and Hondas that are most commonly stolen.

It takes 3 seconds for a professional to hot wire an older car

--

On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend
>> has >>>>> > one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She
>> starts >>>>> > it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the
>> street. Reason >>>>> > they are not recommended is that someone can
>> just break a >>>>> > window, get in and take off. She already had
>> her car stolen >>>>> > while she was at work. It's an older one but
>> one of the most >>>>> > commonly stolen because there were only 6
>> different keys made >>>>> > that year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an automatic
>>>>>>> kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put it in gear and
>>>> it >>> goes dead. Maybe some starters were not like that 30 years
>>>> ago, >>> but not in the past 15 that I'm aware of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd never
>>>>>> even heard of them when she got hers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in it
>>>>>>> while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it
>> and >>> it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.
>>>>
>>>> Not true. Someone wanting a joy ride will just break the window.
>>>
>>> Chances are way down though with a locked car. And if they ae
>>> going to do that anyway, you don't need to have it running.
>>
>> If it's running, makes it all the easier to steal. In this area, it's
>> older Toyotas and Hondas that are most commonly stolen.
>
> It takes 3 seconds for a professional to hot wire an older car
>

A few years back one of the TV shows (maybe 60 minutes) parked a car on
a busy New York Street. It was locked and alarmed. They had an ex-car
theif open the door and start it. No one could tell he did not use a
key to open the door or that he was hot wiring.

A friend had her car stolen at work. It was parked outside of her
office about 15 feet from her window between noon and 2 PM.

From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice I
had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while others
parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.

"Gary" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/25/2017 8:19 AM, JBurns wrote:
>> The last three cars I have owned had double locking. If a thief breaks
>> a window and disengages the door locks they still cannot open the
>> doors, they are going to have to crawl in through the window.
>>
>> They have also had GPS tracking and the ability to shut the fuel pump
>> down.
>
> Did you ever watch the old tv show called, "Bait Car?" Very funny to
> watch. Cops would leave a nice car on the street with the keys in the
> ignition. They staked it out and waited for someone to come by and steal
> it. Once the criminal drove off for a few blocks, they would remotely turn
> off the car and also remotely lock all the doors and windows. LOL
>
> The thieves were freaking out and trapped. The excuses they claimed were
> so funny.

I loved that show!

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"cshenk" > wrote in message
>> > > news >> >>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
>> >>> > ...
>> >>>>> On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend
>> has >>>>> > one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She
>> starts >>>>> > it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the
>> street. Reason >>>>> > they are not recommended is that someone can
>> just break a >>>>> > window, get in and take off. She already had
>> her car stolen >>>>> > while she was at work. It's an older one but
>> one of the most >>>>> > commonly stolen because there were only 6
>> different keys made >>>>> > that year.
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an automatic
>> >>>>> kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put it in gear and
>> >>it >>> goes dead. Maybe some starters were not like that 30 years
>> >>ago, >>> but not in the past 15 that I'm aware of.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd never
>> >>> > even heard of them when she got hers.
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in it
>> >>>>> while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Yes.
>> > > >
>> >>> Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it
>> and >>> it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.
>> > >
>> > > Not true. Someone wanting a joy ride will just break the window.
>> >
>> > Chances are way down though with a locked car. And if they ae
>> > going to do that anyway, you don't need to have it running.
>>
>> If it's running, makes it all the easier to steal. In this area, it's
>> older Toyotas and Hondas that are most commonly stolen.
>
> It takes 3 seconds for a professional to hot wire an older car

How do you know this?

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:28:57 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"cshenk" > wrote in message
...

>> It takes 3 seconds for a professional to hot wire an older car
>
>How do you know this?

She could tell you, but she'd have to kill you.

On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:

> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.



I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave
an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into
a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would
know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to get
it.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > >
> >>"cshenk" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> >>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> >>> >
> >>>>"cshenk" > wrote in message
> >>> > news > >>>>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>> > >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>>"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> >>>>> > ...
> >>>>>>> On 6/24/2017 3:27 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > In this area, remote starters are not recommended. My friend
> >>has >>>>> > one and I always worry that her car will be stolen. She
> >>starts >>>>> > it from her bedroom and the car is parked on the
> >>street. Reason >>>>> > they are not recommended is that someone can
> >>just break a >>>>> > window, get in and take off. She already had
> >>her car stolen >>>>> > while she was at work. It's an older one but
> >>one of the most >>>>> > commonly stolen because there were only 6
> >>different keys made >>>>> > that year.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> Nope, can't be stolen. Every remote made today has an
> automatic >>>>>>> kill built in. Jut touch the brake pedal to put
> it in gear and >>>>it >>> goes dead. Maybe some starters were not
> like that 30 years >>>>ago, >>> but not in the past 15 that I'm
> aware of. >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Hers is an old one. Her son got it for her as a gift. I'd
> never >>>>> > even heard of them when she got hers.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> Some people do run out and start the car and leave the key in
> it >>>>>>> while it warms up. Those are easily stolen.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Yes.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> Only if you leave it unlocked. Most are smart enough to lock it
> >>and >>> it's a rare person who doesnt have a second key to the car.
> >>> >
> >>> > Not true. Someone wanting a joy ride will just break the window.
> > > >
> >>> Chances are way down though with a locked car. And if they ae
> >>> going to do that anyway, you don't need to have it running.
> > >
> > > If it's running, makes it all the easier to steal. In this area,
> > > it's older Toyotas and Hondas that are most commonly stolen.
> >
> > It takes 3 seconds for a professional to hot wire an older car
>
> How do you know this?

Google can be your friend.

--

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 13:28:57 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
>
>>> It takes 3 seconds for a professional to hot wire an older car
>>
>>How do you know this?
>
> She could tell you, but she'd have to kill you.

Hopefully not with a hot wire!

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
>
>
>
> I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave an
> empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into a car
> to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice purses that
> would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would know that the
> purse was empty until after they smashed the window to get it.

In this area, anything that looks like a purse or backpack can get stolen.
People are always complaining that their kid's school backpacks were stolen.
Duh. Don't leave in the car! Same for putting stuff like that in the trunk.
Somebody sees you do it and the minute you're in the store... Gone! I have a
freebie lunch bag that looks like a purse. I won't even take that in the
car.

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 11:19:51 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-06-25 10:50 AM, JBurns wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 09:33:31 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-06-24 11:44 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> On Sat 24 Jun 2017 08:36:52p, Julie Bove told us...
>>>
>>>>> If it's running, makes it all the easier to steal. In this area,
>>>>> it's older Toyotas and Hondas that are most commonly stolen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Odd that they wouldn't steal a luxury car.
>>>
>>> It's easier to get away with in a nondescript car.
>>
>> That is not really the reason though. Joyriders do not steal luxury
>> cars because they are a lot more difficult to steal. Professional
>> thieves (think chopshops) steal high end cars.
>>
>
>It depends a lot on the reason they are stealing the cars. High end
>cars go to chop shops where there are stripped down for parts, or packed
>into containers and shipped overseas. Cars that are going to be used
>for robberies or drive by shootings are more likely to be cars that
>don't stand out. Besides there are a lot more.
>
>It also depends a lot on where they are stolen. Here in Ontario the list
>of of the most frequently stolen vehicles has a number of luxury models.
>In BC and Alberta it is Ford pickup trucks. Seriously.:
>
>2004 Ford F-250
>2000 Honda Civic 2 door
>2006 Ford F-250
>2006 Ford F-350
>2005 Ford F-350
>2007 Ford F-250
>2005 Ford F-250
>2001 Ford F-350
>2010 Buick Enclave/Saturn Outlook
>2007 Ford F-350
>
>In the US the most stolen cars a
>Honda Accord
>Honda Civic
>Ford Pickup
>Chev pickup
>Toyota Camray
>Dodge pickup
>Toyota Corolla
>Nissan Altima
>Dodge Caravan
>Chevrolet Impala

I am not familiar with a couple of these, but the ones that I do are
not what I would consider a luxury car. I was thinking more along the
lines of high end Mercs, BMWs, Rolls, some of the European sports cars
and maybe some of the top of the range domestic brands.

The most stolen car here is an older model Holden followed closely by
the Toyota Hilux. Apparently there is a market for Hilux parts as
there are so many on the road, they also often come with the bonus of
a tradie's tool box in the back and maybe even a trailer carrying
larger tools.

Here, most cars are stolen from outside the owner's residence after
first breaking in (or sneaking in through unlocked doors) and stealing
the keys.

JB

On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:50:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
>
>
>
>I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave
>an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into
>a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
>purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would
>know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to get
>it.

You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.

JB

On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:50:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
>>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
>>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave
>> an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into
>> a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
>> purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would
>> know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to get
>> it.
>
> You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
> gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
> a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
>
> JB
>

That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.

If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.

On 2017-06-26 8:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
>
>> You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
>> gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
>> a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
>>
>> JB
>>
>
> That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
> the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
> pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.
>
> If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
> get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.

My brother lives in a small city not far from here and breaking in to
cars seems to be a hobby for a small group of people. They will go
through neighbourhoods and open unlocked doors on cars on the street and
in driveways, and if the doors are locked they use various means to open
them. They steal loose change, GPS, CDs and other goodies left in the cars.

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 08:43:56 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:50:40 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
>>>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
>>>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave
>>> an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into
>>> a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
>>> purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would
>>> know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to get
>>> it.
>>
>> You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
>> gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
>> a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
>>
>> JB
>>
>
>That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
>the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
>pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.
>
>If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
>get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.

The only times I lock my car is when I go grocery shopping for
perishables after stocking up at the liquor store.