On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 10:16:31 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-06-26 8:43 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
>>
>>> You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
>>> gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
>>> a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
>>>
>>> JB
>>>
>>
>> That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
>> the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
>> pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.
>>
>> If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
>> get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.
>
>My brother lives in a small city not far from here and breaking in to
>cars seems to be a hobby for a small group of people. They will go
>through neighbourhoods and open unlocked doors on cars on the street and
>in driveways, and if the doors are locked they use various means to open
>them. They steal loose change, GPS, CDs and other goodies left in the cars.

The most valuable items a thief will find in my car is a stack of
ancient raggedy road maps that once were free at every gas station,
and a 99¢ air gauge in the glove compartment, and in the center
console there's a box of Kleenex, a roll of Scott TP, and a used
plastic urinal that may or may not have been washed recently.

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 2:43:59 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:50:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >>
> >>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
> >>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
> >>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave
> >> an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into
> >> a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
> >> purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would
> >> know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to get
> >> it.
> >
> > You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
> > gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
> > a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
> >
> > JB
> >
>
> That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
> the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
> pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.
>
> If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
> get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.

I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it has to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:24:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 2:43:59 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
>> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:50:40 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
>> >>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
>> >>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave
>> >> an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into
>> >> a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
>> >> purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would
>> >> know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to get
>> >> it.
>> >
>> > You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
>> > gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
>> > a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
>> >
>> > JB
>> >
>>
>> That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
>> the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
>> pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.
>>
>> If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
>> get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.
>
>I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of pointless.
>These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it has to be locked.
>I'm not sure what can be done about that.

Get a Pitbull to ride shotgun.

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 6:41:37 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:24:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1ahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 2:43:59 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
> >> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:50:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
> >> >>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
> >> >>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave
> >> >> an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into
> >> >> a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
> >> >> purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would
> >> >> know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to get
> >> >> it.
> >> >
> >> > You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
> >> > gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
> >> > a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
> >> >
> >> > JB
> >> >
> >>
> >> That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
> >> the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
> >> pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.
> >>
> >> If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
> >> get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.
> >
> >I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of pointless.
> >These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it has to be locked.
> >I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>
> Get a Pitbull to ride shotgun.

Now I gotta buy and take care of a dog? I got a better idea - I just lock up the car and if somebody breaks in and takes my stuff, I just quit the business. Hee hee.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 2:43:59 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:50:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >>
> >>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
> >>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
> >>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave
> >> an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into
> >> a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
> >> purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would
> >> know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to
> >> get
> >> it.
> >
> > You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
> > gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
> > a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
> >
> > JB
> >
>
> That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
> the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
> pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.
>
> If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
> get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.

I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it has
to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.

==

Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first turning
off the alarm ... and it is very loud!


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 2017-06-26 12:41 PM, wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:24:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:

>>> If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is
>>> going to get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.
>>
>> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
>> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business
>> so it has to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>
> Get a Pitbull to ride shotgun.
>

You can't do that much these days because of all the self righteous
people who think that leaving a dog in the car is tantamount to abuse
without considering the weather. I saw people posting on FB about dogs
left in cars around here back in April and May. The windows were open a
couple inches and it the outside temperature was only about 70F. It
would be a different story if it was in the 80s or more,

I have had interesting incidents where dogs were left in cars. My wife
dog my Lab pup with her to run some errands. She left the dog in my car
with the windows closed and the engine running while she ran into a
convenience store. The dog was happy to see her coming and he jumped up
against the window and put his paw in the lock..... click, click, click,
click. That was our first car with electronic locks so she was shocked
to find herself completely locked out.

She and I stopped at the same strip mall a few years back with our
recently acquired Bouvier/Shepherd. We left him in the car with the
windows open about 6 inches. While we were in the store we saw a dog
running back and forth that looked like Harry. It was Harry. He had
crawled out through that tiny space at the top of the window. We sure
didn't think that he would have been able to slip through that narrow space.

Then there was the time I stopped by at a local canoe maker's place to
tell him how much I liked the canoe he had built for me. I had my
Bouvier des Flandres in the car with me. The window was open all the way
and we were standing beside the car talking. He reached to pet the dog.
She growled, and I told him it wasn't a good idea. He said they had got
along fine the other day at our house and went ahead. She bit him. That
was around noon. He called from the hospital late in the evening. He was
in there getting stitched up because it was still bleeding. He just
wanted to make sure that she had had her shots and said that it was his
fault for sticking his hand in the car, especially after I had told him
not to.

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 6:59:01 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 2:43:59 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
> > > On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:50:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
> > >>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
> > >>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave
> > >> an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into
> > >> a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
> > >> purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would
> > >> know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to
> > >> get
> > >> it.
> > >
> > > You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
> > > gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
> > > a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> >
> > That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
> > the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
> > pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.
> >
> > If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
> > get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.
>
> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it has
> to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>
> ==
>
> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first turning
> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

My car has an alarm too. In typical VW fashion, the linkage to the driver side lock has busted so the door doesn't lock. You can open the door when the alarm is armed. This setup is sure to cause embarrassment! My guess is that the complex and unreliable door lock module was made by Bosch.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 6:59:01 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 2:43:59 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
> > > On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:50:40 -0400, Dave Smith
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer.
> > >>> Twice
> > >>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
> > >>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to
> > >> leave
> > >> an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break
> > >> into
> > >> a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
> > >> purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one
> > >> would
> > >> know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to
> > >> get
> > >> it.
> > >
> > > You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
> > > gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
> > > a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> >
> > That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
> > the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
> > pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.
> >
> > If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
> > get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.
>
> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it
> has
> to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>
> ==
>
> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first turning
> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

My car has an alarm too. In typical VW fashion, the linkage to the driver
side lock has busted so the door doesn't lock. You can open the door when
the alarm is armed. This setup is sure to cause embarrassment! My guess is
that the complex and unreliable door lock module was made by Bosch.

==


Can you not get it fixed? I wouldn't like ours to be out of action!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 6/26/2017 12:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:

>
> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it
> has
> to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>
> ==
>
> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first turning
> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
>
>
Yes, that alarm keeps the 10 year olds out of it. By 14 they know how
to bypass them and steal your car.

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:50:00 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 6:41:37 AM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:24:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi1ahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 2:43:59 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
>> >> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:50:40 -0400, Dave Smith
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> >>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
>> >> >>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
>> >> >>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave
>> >> >> an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into
>> >> >> a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
>> >> >> purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would
>> >> >> know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to get
>> >> >> it.
>> >> >
>> >> > You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
>> >> > gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
>> >> > a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
>> >> >
>> >> > JB
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
>> >> the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
>> >> pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.
>> >>
>> >> If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
>> >> get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.
>> >
>> >I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of pointless.
>> >These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it has to be locked.
>> >I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>>
>> Get a Pitbull to ride shotgun.
>
>Now I gotta buy and take care of a dog? I got a better idea - I just lock up the car
>and if somebody breaks in and takes my stuff, I just quit the business. Hee hee.

Get a rider on your insurance to cover your work stuff... of course
you'll have to take pictures.

On 2017-06-26 2:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first
>> turning
>> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
>>
>>
> Yes, that alarm keeps the 10 year olds out of it. By 14 they know how
> to bypass them and steal your car.

At least they keep out the 10-14 year old kids who might be a
significant factor. Think of unlocked doors as the gateway theft thrill.
Once they enough the spoils of thievery from unlocked cars they may
get more of a thrill from breaking into the locked ones.

In article >, penmart01
@aol.com says...
> Subject: Wow, Wayne, burn center is busy there
> From:
> Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
>
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:50:00 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
> > [quoted text muted]
> >>
> >> Get a Pitbull to ride shotgun.
> >
> >Now I gotta buy and take care of a dog? I got a better idea - I just lock up the car
> >and if somebody breaks in and takes my stuff, I just quit the business. Hee hee.
>
> Get a rider on your insurance to cover your work stuff... of course
> you'll have to take pictures.
>
I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.

Janet UK

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 13:24:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-06-26 12:41 PM, wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 09:24:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
>> wrote:
>
>>>> If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is
>>>> going to get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.
>>>
>>> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
>>> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business
>>> so it has to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>>
>> Get a Pitbull to ride shotgun.
>>
>
>You can't do that much these days because of all the self righteous
>people who think that leaving a dog in the car is tantamount to abuse
>without considering the weather. I saw people posting on FB about dogs
>left in cars around here back in April and May. The windows were open a
>couple inches and it the outside temperature was only about 70F. It
>would be a different story if it was in the 80s or more,

People around here have their dog in the vehical all they time, for
warm weather they have permanently mounted SS hardware cloth
screens.... very common over the rear P/U truck window.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 6/26/2017 12:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:

>
> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it
> has
> to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>
> ==
>
> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first turning
> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
>
>
Yes, that alarm keeps the 10 year olds out of it. By 14 they know how
to bypass them and steal your car.

==

How? Not sure how they could do that here, if someone even bumps against
the car it goes off.

If the dog is in the car when we leave it, I can't lock it electronically
because it will trip the alarm. I have to lock it on the key.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 6/26/2017 3:05 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
>
> On 6/26/2017 12:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>>
>> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
>> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so
>> it has
>> to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first
>> turning
>> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
>>
>>
> Yes, that alarm keeps the 10 year olds out of it. By 14 they know how
> to bypass them and steal your car.
>
> ==
>
> How? Not sure how they could do that here, if someone even bumps
> against the car it goes off.
>
> If the dog is in the car when we leave it, I can't lock it
> electronically because it will trip the alarm. I have to lock it on the
> key.
>
>
>

I'm not a car thief so I don't know how. I have seen it done on TV and
I know a person that had her alarmed car stolen during the day about 15
feet from her office window. Its done every day all over the world.
Your sense of security is less than you can imagine.

If one human can make a code, another can break it.

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 10:13:44 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/26/2017 3:05 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
> >
> > On 6/26/2017 12:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
> >> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so
> >> it has
> >> to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
> >>
> >> ==
> >>
> >> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first
> >> turning
> >> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
> >>
> >>
> > Yes, that alarm keeps the 10 year olds out of it. By 14 they know how
> > to bypass them and steal your car.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > How? Not sure how they could do that here, if someone even bumps
> > against the car it goes off.
> >
> > If the dog is in the car when we leave it, I can't lock it
> > electronically because it will trip the alarm. I have to lock it on the
> > key.
> >
> >
> >
>
> I'm not a car thief so I don't know how. I have seen it done on TV and
> I know a person that had her alarmed car stolen during the day about 15
> feet from her office window. Its done every day all over the world.
> Your sense of security is less than you can imagine.
>
> If one human can make a code, another can break it.

Part of it involves switching out the electronic control module so that a transponder of a specific code can start the engine.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 6/26/2017 3:05 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
>
> On 6/26/2017 12:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>>
>> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
>> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it
>> has
>> to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first
>> turning
>> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
>>
>>
> Yes, that alarm keeps the 10 year olds out of it. By 14 they know how
> to bypass them and steal your car.
>
> ==
>
> How? Not sure how they could do that here, if someone even bumps against
> the car it goes off.
>
> If the dog is in the car when we leave it, I can't lock it electronically
> because it will trip the alarm. I have to lock it on the key.
>
>
>

I'm not a car thief so I don't know how. I have seen it done on TV and
I know a person that had her alarmed car stolen during the day about 15
feet from her office window. Its done every day all over the world.
Your sense of security is less than you can imagine.

If one human can make a code, another can break it.

==

Interesting! I haven't heard of any other than with modern ones, where
people can interfere with the cars electronically.


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"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 10:13:44 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/26/2017 3:05 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > On 6/26/2017 12:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
> >> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so
> >> it has
> >> to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
> >>
> >> ==
> >>
> >> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first
> >> turning
> >> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
> >>
> >>
> > Yes, that alarm keeps the 10 year olds out of it. By 14 they know how
> > to bypass them and steal your car.
> >
> > ==
> >
> > How? Not sure how they could do that here, if someone even bumps
> > against the car it goes off.
> >
> > If the dog is in the car when we leave it, I can't lock it
> > electronically because it will trip the alarm. I have to lock it on the
> > key.
> >
> >
> >
>
> I'm not a car thief so I don't know how. I have seen it done on TV and
> I know a person that had her alarmed car stolen during the day about 15
> feet from her office window. Its done every day all over the world.
> Your sense of security is less than you can imagine.
>
> If one human can make a code, another can break it.

Part of it involves switching out the electronic control module so that a
transponder of a specific code can start the engine.
==

Ahhh I rest my case!



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"JBurns" > wrote in message
...

> You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
> gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
> a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.

You can't even leave change in a car here. Druggies will smash a window for
it.

On 2017-06-26, Janet > wrote:

> I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
> from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.

Be surprised!

I got my toolbox stolen outta my car. Insurance paid off and never
questioned whether the doors were locked or not. Almost $800USD.

OTOH, hadda list everything and its worth from my toolbox. Only
Snap-On and Mac Tools had a catalog that listed everything I'd lost.

This was in the 80s.

nb

> wrote in message
...

> The most valuable items a thief will find in my car is a stack of
> ancient raggedy road maps that once were free at every gas station,
> and a 99¢ air gauge in the glove compartment, and in the center
> console there's a box of Kleenex, a roll of Scott TP, and a used
> plastic urinal that may or may not have been washed recently.


I would hate for my CD's and cassettes to be stolen.

Cheri

On 27 Jun 2017 01:25:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2017-06-26, Janet > wrote:
>
>> I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
>> from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.
>
>Be surprised!
>
>I got my toolbox stolen outta my car. Insurance paid off and never
>questioned whether the doors were locked or not. Almost $800USD.
>
>OTOH, hadda list everything and its worth from my toolbox. Only
>Snap-On and Mac Tools had a catalog that listed everything I'd lost.
>
>This was in the 80s.
>
>nb

Here it is an offence to leave an unattended vehicle unlocked.
Insurance will not pay if the vehicle was not secure, not sure how
they would know if the whole vehicle was stolen, especially if it is
not recovered.

JB

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:59:03 +0800, JBurns >
wrote:

>On 27 Jun 2017 01:25:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2017-06-26, Janet > wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
>>> from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.
>>
>>Be surprised!
>>
>>I got my toolbox stolen outta my car. Insurance paid off and never
>>questioned whether the doors were locked or not. Almost $800USD.
>>
>>OTOH, hadda list everything and its worth from my toolbox. Only
>>Snap-On and Mac Tools had a catalog that listed everything I'd lost.
>>
>>This was in the 80s.
>>
>>nb
>
>Here it is an offence to leave an unattended vehicle unlocked.
>Insurance will not pay if the vehicle was not secure, not sure how
>they would know if the whole vehicle was stolen, especially if it is
>not recovered.

Oops, I hope it's allowed on our own property.

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 17:58:54 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"dsi1" wrote in message
...
>
>On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 2:43:59 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/26/2017 4:58 AM, JBurns wrote:
>> > On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:50:40 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 2017-06-25 3:00 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>> On 6/25/2017 2:24 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> From personal experience, leaving a car unlocked can be safer. Twice
>> >>> I had my car opened and the glove box opened, but no loss while
>> >>> others parked near it had broen windows, scratches, etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think I finally convinced my wife that it is not a good idea to leave
>> >> an empty purse in a car. Her attitude was that no one would break into
>> >> a car to steal an empty purse. Aside from the fact that she has nice
>> >> purses that would be worth stealing just to get the purse, no one would
>> >> know that the purse was empty until after they smashed the window to
>> >> get
>> >> it.
>> >
>> > You should not leave any visible valuables in the car. Remove any
>> > gadgets (GPS and dashcams) and puit them in the glove box. I once had
>> > a window broken so the thief could steal a handful of loose change.
>> >
>> > JB
>> >
>>
>> That is why my car is unlocked. The most damage I had was some junk in
>> the glove box had to be put back in. The most you will find is a tire
>> pressure gauge and a pack of Tic-Tacs.
>>
>> If a reasonably competent thief wants to steal my car, he is going to
>> get it no matter what locks and alarms it has.
>
>I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
>pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it has
>to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>
>==
>
>Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first turning
>off the alarm ... and it is very loud!

All vehices here have built in immobilisers (other than those over 17
years old) and most are alarmed. My alarm is connected to the horn and
the horn is extremely loud. It doesn't mean they cannot be stolen but
a thief certainly has to know what they are doing. Maybe that is why
most cars stolen here are taken after the keys are stolen.

JB

On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 14:05:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/26/2017 12:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>>
>> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
>> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it
>> has
>> to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first turning
>> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
>>
>Yes, that alarm keeps the 10 year olds out of it. By 14 they know how
>to bypass them and steal your car.

Most alarms cannot be bypassed unless you can get into the car in the
first place. The more time it takes to get in, the longer the alarm is
sounding. My alarm warns anyone that gets too close to the car and
will start sounding if anyone even touches the door handles without
disabling first.

JB

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:01:51 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:59:03 +0800, JBurns >
>wrote:
>
>>On 27 Jun 2017 01:25:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2017-06-26, Janet > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
>>>> from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.
>>>
>>>Be surprised!
>>>
>>>I got my toolbox stolen outta my car. Insurance paid off and never
>>>questioned whether the doors were locked or not. Almost $800USD.
>>>
>>>OTOH, hadda list everything and its worth from my toolbox. Only
>>>Snap-On and Mac Tools had a catalog that listed everything I'd lost.
>>>
>>>This was in the 80s.
>>>
>>>nb
>>
>>Here it is an offence to leave an unattended vehicle unlocked.
>>Insurance will not pay if the vehicle was not secure, not sure how
>>they would know if the whole vehicle was stolen, especially if it is
>>not recovered.
>
>Oops, I hope it's allowed on our own property.

The answer to that is no. The regulations state the car must be locked
if you are three metres away from it. Same for most states of
Australia.

JB

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:55:02 +0800, JBurns >
wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:01:51 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:59:03 +0800, JBurns >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 27 Jun 2017 01:25:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2017-06-26, Janet > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
>>>>> from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.
>>>>
>>>>Be surprised!
>>>>
>>>>I got my toolbox stolen outta my car. Insurance paid off and never
>>>>questioned whether the doors were locked or not. Almost $800USD.
>>>>
>>>>OTOH, hadda list everything and its worth from my toolbox. Only
>>>>Snap-On and Mac Tools had a catalog that listed everything I'd lost.
>>>>
>>>>This was in the 80s.
>>>>
>>>>nb
>>>
>>>Here it is an offence to leave an unattended vehicle unlocked.
>>>Insurance will not pay if the vehicle was not secure, not sure how
>>>they would know if the whole vehicle was stolen, especially if it is
>>>not recovered.
>>
>>Oops, I hope it's allowed on our own property.
>
>The answer to that is no. The regulations state the car must be locked
>if you are three metres away from it. Same for most states of
>Australia.

Then I'm a serial offender.

In article >,
lid says...
>
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:59:03 +0800, JBurns >
> wrote:
>
> >On 27 Jun 2017 01:25:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >
> >>On 2017-06-26, Janet > wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
> >>> from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.
> >>
> >>Be surprised!
> >>
> >>I got my toolbox stolen outta my car. Insurance paid off and never
> >>questioned whether the doors were locked or not. Almost $800USD.
> >>
> >>OTOH, hadda list everything and its worth from my toolbox. Only
> >>Snap-On and Mac Tools had a catalog that listed everything I'd lost.
> >>
> >>This was in the 80s.
> >>
> >>nb
> >
> >Here it is an offence to leave an unattended vehicle unlocked.
> >Insurance will not pay if the vehicle was not secure, not sure how
> >they would know if the whole vehicle was stolen, especially if it is
> >not recovered.
>
> Oops, I hope it's allowed on our own property.

Surprising how many people pay through the nose for all kinds of
insurance but have no idea what's covered (or not!) because they never
read the policy terms and conditions.

Janet UK

On 2017-06-27 5:28 AM, JBurns wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 14:05:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> Most alarms cannot be bypassed unless you can get into the car in the
> first place. The more time it takes to get in, the longer the alarm is
> sounding. My alarm warns anyone that gets too close to the car and
> will start sounding if anyone even touches the door handles without
> disabling first.
>

Ha.... just thinking back to the late 70s when car alarms were rare.
There was a guy who worked in the electrical department who was a bit of
a dip who had one,the first one I knew of. The guys used to make a point
of jostling his van to set off the alarm.

On 2017-06-27 9:30 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,

> Surprising how many people pay through the nose for all kinds of
> insurance but have no idea what's covered (or not!) because they never
> read the policy terms and conditions.
>


We had a meeting of the local art festival last night to review the
finances from our recent show. There was a question about the increase
in the insurance over last year. The explanation was that last year the
broker had found a provider that was much cheaper than the old one. It
turned out that there was no coverage for the directors as there had
been with the previous provider. That had to be added so it set the
prices up. ..>$400 extra for a five day event.

On 6/27/2017 9:30 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> lid says...
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:59:03 +0800, JBurns >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27 Jun 2017 01:25:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2017-06-26, Janet > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
>>>>> from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.
>>>>
>>>> Be surprised!
>>>>
>>>> I got my toolbox stolen outta my car. Insurance paid off and never
>>>> questioned whether the doors were locked or not. Almost $800USD.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, hadda list everything and its worth from my toolbox. Only
>>>> Snap-On and Mac Tools had a catalog that listed everything I'd lost.
>>>>
>>>> This was in the 80s.
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> Here it is an offence to leave an unattended vehicle unlocked.
>>> Insurance will not pay if the vehicle was not secure, not sure how
>>> they would know if the whole vehicle was stolen, especially if it is
>>> not recovered.
>>
>> Oops, I hope it's allowed on our own property.
>
> Surprising how many people pay through the nose for all kinds of
> insurance but have no idea what's covered (or not!) because they never
> read the policy terms and conditions.
>
> Janet UK
>

States require you have some set minimum of liability insurance. A lot
of people just want the cheapest policy they can get to be able to
register the car. They never actually read the policy. Of those that
do, many do not understand some of it.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:28:54 +0800, JBurns >
wrote:

>On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 14:05:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 6/26/2017 12:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
>>> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it
>>> has
>>> to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first turning
>>> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
>>>
>>Yes, that alarm keeps the 10 year olds out of it. By 14 they know how
>>to bypass them and steal your car.
>
>Most alarms cannot be bypassed unless you can get into the car in the
>first place. The more time it takes to get in, the longer the alarm is
>sounding. My alarm warns anyone that gets too close to the car and
>will start sounding if anyone even touches the door handles without
>disabling first.
>
>JB

Car alarms don't work without the battery and with a lot of cars a
battery cable can be snipped with bolt cutters or garden loppers
from underneath the vehicle. Often thieves don't want the vehicle so
they don't care to start it, they can strip all the vitals in minutes,
or they tow it to a chop shop.

In article >, penmart01
@aol.com says...
>
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:28:54 +0800, JBurns >
> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 26 Jun 2017 14:05:39 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >
> >>On 6/26/2017 12:58 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I never liked to lock my car for the same reason. It seemed kind of
> >>> pointless. These days, I keep equipment in the car for my business so it
> >>> has
> >>> to be locked. I'm not sure what can be done about that.
> >>>
> >>> ==
> >>>
> >>> Our cars have alarms. If anyone opens it in any way without first turning
> >>> off the alarm ... and it is very loud!
> >>>
> >>Yes, that alarm keeps the 10 year olds out of it. By 14 they know how
> >>to bypass them and steal your car.
> >
> >Most alarms cannot be bypassed unless you can get into the car in the
> >first place. The more time it takes to get in, the longer the alarm is
> >sounding. My alarm warns anyone that gets too close to the car and
> >will start sounding if anyone even touches the door handles without
> >disabling first.
> >
> >JB
>
> Car alarms don't work without the battery and with a lot of cars a
> battery cable can be snipped with bolt cutters or garden loppers
> from underneath the vehicle. Often thieves don't want the vehicle so
> they don't care to start it, they can strip all the vitals in minutes,
> or they tow it to a chop shop.

Neighbours of ours in Glasgow woke up to find that thieves had taken
all the wheels from their car,leaving it propped precariously on four
piles of bricks. They'd done it on the street, under a streetlight in
full view, and nobody heard a thing.

Janet UK

> wrote in message
...

> Car alarms don't work without the battery and with a lot of cars a
> battery cable can be snipped with bolt cutters or garden loppers
> from underneath the vehicle. Often thieves don't want the vehicle so
> they don't care to start it, they can strip all the vitals in minutes,
> or they tow it to a chop shop.


Thieves have been notorious for stealing catalytic converters where I am,
only takes them a very few minutes.

Cheri

On 6/27/2017 12:01 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> Car alarms don't work without the battery and with a lot of cars a
>> battery cable can be snipped with bolt cutters or garden loppers
>> from underneath the vehicle. Often thieves don't want the vehicle so
>> they don't care to start it, they can strip all the vitals in minutes,
>> or they tow it to a chop shop.
>
>
> Thieves have been notorious for stealing catalytic converters where I
> am, only takes them a very few minutes.
>
> Cheri

Yes, they are a big seller. Air bags too. Many cars now have radios
not esily put into other makes of cars so they are not so much in
demand. Sirius/XM are easily traced too when you want to activate it.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:30:04 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:59:03 +0800, JBurns >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 27 Jun 2017 01:25:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 2017-06-26, Janet > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
>> >>> from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.
>> >>
>> >>Be surprised!
>> >>
>> >>I got my toolbox stolen outta my car. Insurance paid off and never
>> >>questioned whether the doors were locked or not. Almost $800USD.
>> >>
>> >>OTOH, hadda list everything and its worth from my toolbox. Only
>> >>Snap-On and Mac Tools had a catalog that listed everything I'd lost.
>> >>
>> >>This was in the 80s.
>> >>
>> >>nb
>> >
>> >Here it is an offence to leave an unattended vehicle unlocked.
>> >Insurance will not pay if the vehicle was not secure, not sure how
>> >they would know if the whole vehicle was stolen, especially if it is
>> >not recovered.
>>
>> Oops, I hope it's allowed on our own property.
>
> Surprising how many people pay through the nose for all kinds of
>insurance but have no idea what's covered (or not!) because they never
>read the policy terms and conditions.

My car isn't insured against theft. And even if it was, it's 33 years
old. I wouldn't get much.

But each to their own, so enjoy!

On 2017-06-27, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> They never actually read the policy. Of those that
> do, many do not understand some of it.

Also, too often insurance companies jes play dumb.

I now have a policy I've had fer several yrs. My fuel pump went out
jes as I was leaving my driveway. I called my insurance company for a
tow. The insurance droid on the phone told me I did not have
"roadside assistance" (RsA) coverage with my policy. I told her I was
holding my policy in my hands and it sed I had RsA. She sed she
didn't see it on her computer screen.

I ended up paying to have my vehicle towed. The insurance company
reimbursed me for the full amt, but c'mon ....what am I paying for.

nb

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:30:04 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:59:03 +0800, JBurns >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 27 Jun 2017 01:25:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>> >
>> >>On 2017-06-26, Janet > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
>> >>> from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.
>> >>
>> >>Be surprised!
>> >>
>> >>I got my toolbox stolen outta my car. Insurance paid off and never
>> >>questioned whether the doors were locked or not. Almost $800USD.
>> >>
>> >>OTOH, hadda list everything and its worth from my toolbox. Only
>> >>Snap-On and Mac Tools had a catalog that listed everything I'd lost.
>> >>
>> >>This was in the 80s.
>> >>
>> >>nb
>> >
>> >Here it is an offence to leave an unattended vehicle unlocked.
>> >Insurance will not pay if the vehicle was not secure, not sure how
>> >they would know if the whole vehicle was stolen, especially if it is
>> >not recovered.
>>
>> Oops, I hope it's allowed on our own property.
>
> Surprising how many people pay through the nose for all kinds of
>insurance but have no idea what's covered (or not!) because they never
>read the policy terms and conditions.

My car isn't insured against theft. And even if it was, it's 33 years
old. I wouldn't get much.

But each to their own, so enjoy!

---


We are both running old cars too. Japanese imports. Not a spec of rust.

Both Mitsubishi Pajeros 2.8. I suppose they could be stolen for parts.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Am Dienstag, 27. Juni 2017 22:19:52 UTC+2 schrieb Ophelia:
> "Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:30:04 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:59:03 +0800, JBurns >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 27 Jun 2017 01:25:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>On 2017-06-26, Janet > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
> >> >>> from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.
> >> >>
> >> >>Be surprised!
> >> >>
> >> >>I got my toolbox stolen outta my car. Insurance paid off and never
> >> >>questioned whether the doors were locked or not. Almost $800USD.
> >> >>
> >> >>OTOH, hadda list everything and its worth from my toolbox. Only
> >> >>Snap-On and Mac Tools had a catalog that listed everything I'd lost.
> >> >>
> >> >>This was in the 80s.
> >> >>
> >> >>nb
> >> >
> >> >Here it is an offence to leave an unattended vehicle unlocked.
> >> >Insurance will not pay if the vehicle was not secure, not sure how
> >> >they would know if the whole vehicle was stolen, especially if it is
> >> >not recovered.
> >>
> >> Oops, I hope it's allowed on our own property.
> >
> > Surprising how many people pay through the nose for all kinds of
> >insurance but have no idea what's covered (or not!) because they never
> >read the policy terms and conditions.
>
> My car isn't insured against theft. And even if it was, it's 33 years
> old. I wouldn't get much.
>
> But each to their own, so enjoy!
>
> ---
>
>
> We are both running old cars too. Japanese imports. Not a spec of rust.
>
> Both Mitsubishi Pajeros 2.8. I suppose they could be stolen for parts.

Not from the Spanish talking part of the population...

Our car is nearly 30 years old: Mazda 121 (first series) aka Kia Pride aka
Ford Festiva - a co-production. A few years from now, it will be an
Old-timer with all the privileges.

Bye, Sanne.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:19:13 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:30:04 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >,
says...
>>>
>>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:59:03 +0800, JBurns >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 27 Jun 2017 01:25:56 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On 2017-06-26, Janet > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> I'd be very surprised if any insurer would pay up on goods stolen
>>> >>> from an unlocked car. They certainly wouldn't here.
>>> >>
>>> >>Be surprised!
>>> >>
>>> >>I got my toolbox stolen outta my car. Insurance paid off and never
>>> >>questioned whether the doors were locked or not. Almost $800USD.
>>> >>
>>> >>OTOH, hadda list everything and its worth from my toolbox. Only
>>> >>Snap-On and Mac Tools had a catalog that listed everything I'd lost.
>>> >>
>>> >>This was in the 80s.
>>> >>
>>> >>nb
>>> >
>>> >Here it is an offence to leave an unattended vehicle unlocked.
>>> >Insurance will not pay if the vehicle was not secure, not sure how
>>> >they would know if the whole vehicle was stolen, especially if it is
>>> >not recovered.
>>>
>>> Oops, I hope it's allowed on our own property.
>>
>> Surprising how many people pay through the nose for all kinds of
>>insurance but have no idea what's covered (or not!) because they never
>>read the policy terms and conditions.
>
>My car isn't insured against theft. And even if it was, it's 33 years
>old. I wouldn't get much.
>
>But each to their own, so enjoy!
>
>---
>
>
>We are both running old cars too. Japanese imports. Not a spec of rust.
>
>Both Mitsubishi Pajeros 2.8. I suppose they could be stolen for parts.

Or for a joyride?