"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:05:36 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
>> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world scary.
>> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me.
>>
>>
>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> A lot depends on your age. The millennials and later generations don't
> quite see it that way. These guys aren't hooked on Windows - they use iOS
> and Android for their computers.


True, but so what? I don't care if the millennials or anyone have the newest
electronic devices hanging from every orifice, or what kind of car they
drive and so on, so why should anyone care what I like or don't like since
it doesn't affect their choices? Most of the "distain" you talk about seems
to be coming from you toward people in the group that don't embrace every
single new technology.

Cheri

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:19:51 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 6:56 AM, lucretia wrote:
>
>>
>> I use Windoze but I also love Android on my tablet and phone. I don't
>> do Apple anything do not like their proprietary attitude (same as
>> Sony) but then again why do they have a look alike Office etc. Don't
>> like their prices either and I see in yesterdays Guardian although
>> they are not yet coming clean about it there is a bug raiding their
>> systems, very difficult when you have always claimed it was impossible
>> - that alone must have read like a challenge to hackers
>>
>
>It is a matter of numbers. Apple had about 15% of the computer
>business. Do you want to infect 85% or only 15% ? Hackers ego answered
>that most of the time.

Good point

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:39:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Most of us use Windows for the same reason. It does everything I need
>> and was already on the computer when I bought it. Are other OS better?
>> Don't know, I never used them and never had an incentive to try others. .
>>
>> Why do you think it is a POS? Compared to other systems?
>
>It's fine for civilians. It's really painful for a programmer
>who is used to the power and simplicity of Unix. It's a resource
>hog on the hardware; relatively speaking it takes an eternity to
>run anything.
>
>I'm not alone:
>
><https://www.marksanborn.net/software/10-reasons-why-i-hate-microsoft-windows/>
><http://www.zdnet.com/article/so-why-do-people-hate-windows/>
><http://www.pcworld.com/article/134819/article.html>
>
>It's telling that PCworld magazine hates Microsoft.

As a user, I'm fine with Windows. It may be a pain for programmers,
but most people aren't programmers.

It's a bit silly to call non-IT people or non-programmers civilians,
by the way. I know people want to be special, but you're not in the
army.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:10:55 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/25/2017 2:50 PM, lucretia wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jun 2017 12:31:55 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Here's the real time stuff from Snopes
>>>
>>> http://www.snopes.com/2017/03/13/kel...rowave-spying/
>>>
>>> Janet US
>>
>> Nope, my microwave is too old but the avast email did not really
>> centre on microwaves. It was an interesting email in general but since
>> my stuff is old, no probs
>>
>The Avast email is merely a marketing tool to ramp up paranoia to get
>customers to pay more for yet another layer of "security". Every time I
>open a browser Avast warns "Anyone can see what you do online" and hopes
>I'll pay them more money. Sorry, I don't care if this mysterious
>"anyone" knows I'm watching silly cat videos.

I get that message too, even whem I'm using a VPN. Which is probably
what they want to protect me with.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
>> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world scary.
>> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me.
>>
>>
>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this case
> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>
> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house via
> a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I return, I
> switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an app
> on a phone.
>
> I recently saw a TV ad showing a teenage brother and sister driving home
> in a car. Their parents called, did you do the laundry? They scrambled
> on the phone, find the app! They turned on the washing machine via their
> phone.
>
> Yes, there is an app for that. IF your washing machine is "connected".
>
> Sorry, but in what real life scenario does that fit? Gee, I forgot to
> turn on the washer, must do it by phone!
>
> Get real. They put the clothes in the washing machine. They (hopefully)
> added detergent. Yet they didn't think to turn it on when they were
> standing right there? Idiotic.
>
> It's not scary technology. It's silly. Start the washing machine via a
> phone. Really? Who does that?
>
> Of course you have to pay more for all of this technology. More breakable
> expensive parts, too. No thank you.
>
> Jill



No thank you from me too. When I first moved into this house, there was a
self cleaning oven that did a great job, with simple knobs to set the time,
temp, time to turn on, time to turn off, didn't need a manual to learn how
to use it, could easily replace the relatively inexpensive elements etc. I
would have loved to have been able to buy the same, but all the "better"
technology took over and I couldn't. LOL

Cheri

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 12:18:53 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:39:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> Most of us use Windows for the same reason. It does everything I need
> >> and was already on the computer when I bought it. Are other OS better?
> >> Don't know, I never used them and never had an incentive to try others. .
> >>
> >> Why do you think it is a POS? Compared to other systems?
> >
> >It's fine for civilians. It's really painful for a programmer
> >who is used to the power and simplicity of Unix. It's a resource
> >hog on the hardware; relatively speaking it takes an eternity to
> >run anything.
> >
> >I'm not alone:
> >
> ><https://www.marksanborn.net/software/10-reasons-why-i-hate-microsoft-windows/>
> ><http://www.zdnet.com/article/so-why-do-people-hate-windows/>
> ><http://www.pcworld.com/article/134819/article.html>
> >
> >It's telling that PCworld magazine hates Microsoft.
>
> As a user, I'm fine with Windows. It may be a pain for programmers,
> but most people aren't programmers.
>
> It's a bit silly to call non-IT people or non-programmers civilians,
> by the way. I know people want to be special, but you're not in the
> army.

I suppose I could have said "amateurs". I also found "ignoramus"
as an antonym for "expert", but felt that wasn't quite what I wanted
to convey. Hoi polloi?

Cindy Hamilton

On 6/28/2017 9:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/28/2017 8:17 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/25/2017 8:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 6/25/2017 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> The modern world is kinda scary for most of the posters on this
>>>> newsgroup. How interesting is that? Very!
>>>
>>> You like to say that but I never know what makes you
>>> think that.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
>> everything in our lives.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Did you see that Google was fined by the EU for favoring their own
> shopping service? I think is is bogus to fine them. There are
> alternative searches, we don't pay anything to use Google, and they are
> not doing anything we'd not do. If your brother is a plumber and a
> neighbor asked if you know a good plumber, what would you say?

If my brother was a plumber I'd say DO NOT HIRE HIM. LOL

Jill

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 6:16:40 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi10ahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:05:36 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
> >> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world scary.
> >> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me.
> >>
> >>
> >> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > A lot depends on your age. The millennials and later generations don't
> > quite see it that way. These guys aren't hooked on Windows - they use iOS
> > and Android for their computers.
>
>
> True, but so what? I don't care if the millennials or anyone have the newest
> electronic devices hanging from every orifice, or what kind of car they
> drive and so on, so why should anyone care what I like or don't like since
> it doesn't affect their choices? Most of the "distain" you talk about seems
> to be coming from you toward people in the group that don't embrace every
> single new technology.
>
> Cheri

"Distain?" Oopsie - my bad! What's the big deal? Is it not true that old folks don't like new things? Let us embrace that truth.

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 2:17:45 AM UTC-10, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 6/25/2017 8:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> > On 6/25/2017 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >> The modern world is kinda scary for most of the posters on this
> >> newsgroup. How interesting is that? Very!
> >
> > You like to say that but I never know what makes you
> > think that.
> >
> > nancy
>
> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
> everything in our lives.
>
> Jill

Google has a plan to turn us all into robot slaves? That's scary!

On 6/28/2017 12:15 PM, lucretia wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:28 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
>>> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world scary.
>>> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this case
>> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>>
>> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house
>> via a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I return,
>> I switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an
>> app on a phone.
>
> Living in a house I might like to turn different lights on and off if
> I was away, to make it appear I was not away.
>>
I used timers that turned the lights on and off in the bedroom and
living room when I was away. Just plug it into the electric socket and
plug the lamp into the timer. Set the timer. On at dusk, off at
bedtime. On again in the morning, off during the day.

>> I recently saw a TV ad showing a teenage brother and sister driving home
>> in a car. Their parents called, did you do the laundry? They scrambled
>> on the phone, find the app! They turned on the washing machine via
>> their phone.
>>
>> Yes, there is an app for that. IF your washing machine is "connected".
>>
>> Sorry, but in what real life scenario does that fit? Gee, I forgot to
>> turn on the washer, must do it by phone!
>
> There are many countries where running appliances in off peak hours
> means a big saving on the power bill.
>>
>> Get real. They put the clothes in the washing machine. They
>> (hopefully) added detergent. Yet they didn't think to turn it on when
>> they were standing right there? Idiotic.
>
> Not is they can have off peak hours
>>

That's not what they are advertising. It's a convenience thing and
allegedly wonderful. Doesn't factor into my life.

>> It's not scary technology. It's silly. Start the washing machine via a
>> phone. Really? Who does that?
>
> Probably quite a few and maybe young parents going to work rushed off
> their feet.
>>

Really? Most everyone gets a day off to do laundry. Even if they have
to take it somehere.

>> Of course you have to pay more for all of this technology. More
>> breakable expensive parts, too. No thank you.
>>
>> Jill
>
> To the people who need/want it that's fine. However I felt the avast
> email was more a warning to those people to have a little think about
> the potential disadvantages/risks involved.
>
I felt the Avast email was just trying to get me to give them more money.

Jill

On 2017-06-28, jmcquown > wrote:

> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
> everything in our lives.

Too late!!

nb

On 2017-06-28, jmcquown > wrote:

> I recently saw a TV ad showing a teenage brother and sister driving home
> in a car. Their parents called, did you do the laundry? They scrambled
> on the phone, find the app! They turned on the washing machine via
> their phone.

Reminds me of the TV ads that showed 3 kids, in a room, all
interacting with ther cellphones. If you have 3 teens in a room all
ignoring each other so they can txt msg on their cell phone, there is
something terribly wrong with those kids ...and our society.

nb

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:04:55 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 12:18:53 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 08:39:53 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >> Most of us use Windows for the same reason. It does everything I need
>> >> and was already on the computer when I bought it. Are other OS better?
>> >> Don't know, I never used them and never had an incentive to try others. .
>> >>
>> >> Why do you think it is a POS? Compared to other systems?
>> >
>> >It's fine for civilians. It's really painful for a programmer
>> >who is used to the power and simplicity of Unix. It's a resource
>> >hog on the hardware; relatively speaking it takes an eternity to
>> >run anything.
>> >
>> >I'm not alone:
>> >
>> ><https://www.marksanborn.net/software/10-reasons-why-i-hate-microsoft-windows/>
>> ><http://www.zdnet.com/article/so-why-do-people-hate-windows/>
>> ><http://www.pcworld.com/article/134819/article.html>
>> >
>> >It's telling that PCworld magazine hates Microsoft.
>>
>> As a user, I'm fine with Windows. It may be a pain for programmers,
>> but most people aren't programmers.
>>
>> It's a bit silly to call non-IT people or non-programmers civilians,
>> by the way. I know people want to be special, but you're not in the
>> army.
>
>I suppose I could have said "amateurs". I also found "ignoramus"
>as an antonym for "expert", but felt that wasn't quite what I wanted
>to convey. Hoi polloi?

Isn't that rif-raf?

On 28 Jun 2017 17:34:14 GMT, notbob > wrote:

>On 2017-06-28, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> I recently saw a TV ad showing a teenage brother and sister driving home
>> in a car. Their parents called, did you do the laundry? They scrambled
>> on the phone, find the app! They turned on the washing machine via
>> their phone.
>
>Reminds me of the TV ads that showed 3 kids, in a room, all
>interacting with ther cellphones. If you have 3 teens in a room all
>ignoring each other so they can txt msg on their cell phone, there is
>something terribly wrong with those kids ...and our society.

I read that young people are becoming sexually active later because of
social media. Maybe that's a good thing.

On 6/28/2017 1:34 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-06-28, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> I recently saw a TV ad showing a teenage brother and sister driving home
>> in a car. Their parents called, did you do the laundry? They scrambled
>> on the phone, find the app! They turned on the washing machine via
>> their phone.
>
> Reminds me of the TV ads that showed 3 kids, in a room, all
> interacting with ther cellphones. If you have 3 teens in a room all
> ignoring each other so they can txt msg on their cell phone, there is
> something terribly wrong with those kids ...and our society.
>
> nb
>
Remember the days when kids played friends in the neighborhood rather
than avatars?

Cell phone ads these days are all about "you get five lines!" (for an
amazing amount of money). Who needs five friggin phone lines? Oh, all
these connected families who don't spend time together but have to keep
in touch. Maybe eventually they'll meet and have dinner together. Heh.

Jill

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 5:40:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 6/28/2017 6:48 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > >>> At home we use Winblows.
> > >>
> > >> You're all complaining about it and putting it down but... you're
> > >> using it!
> > >>
> > >> Weaklings!
> > >
> > > You caught me. I can't stand up for myself. (Heh.)
> > >
> > > My husband uses CAD software that isn't available anywhere
> > > but Windows. At home, I surf the web and play solitaire, so I barely
> > > care what OS we use. Doesn't mean I don't recognize Windows as a POS.
> > >
> > > At work, I have to use what the company wants me to use, which is
> > > a mix of Windows and a handful of Unixes (Unices?)
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> >
> > Most of us use Windows for the same reason. It does everything I need
> > and was already on the computer when I bought it. Are other OS better?
> > Don't know, I never used them and never had an incentive to try others. .
> >
> > Why do you think it is a POS? Compared to other systems?
>
> It's fine for civilians. It's really painful for a programmer
> who is used to the power and simplicity of Unix. It's a resource
> hog on the hardware; relatively speaking it takes an eternity to
> run anything.
>
> I'm not alone:
>
> <https://www.marksanborn.net/software/10-reasons-why-i-hate-microsoft-windows/>
> <http://www.zdnet.com/article/so-why-do-people-hate-windows/>
> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/134819/article.html>
>
> It's telling that PCworld magazine hates Microsoft.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant fixin'.

On 6/28/2017 12:16 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:05:36 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>>> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
>>> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world scary.
>>> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me.
>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> A lot depends on your age. The millennials and later generations don't
>> quite see it that way. These guys aren't hooked on Windows - they use
>> iOS and Android for their computers.
>
>
> True, but so what? I don't care if the millennials or anyone have the
> newest electronic devices hanging from every orifice, or what kind of
> car they drive and so on, so why should anyone care what I like or don't
> like since it doesn't affect their choices? Most of the "distain" you
> talk about seems to be coming from you toward people in the group that
> don't embrace every single new technology.
>
> Cheri

It's a funny term, the millennials.

Some things aren't "cool". Not "trendy". It is going to be expensive.
And if you forget to charge something and the lights go out.. Uh oh.

Really? Does anyone want to have to charge every lamp or fan or
whatever in their house?

Not me.

Jill

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 5:40:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> > On 6/28/2017 6:48 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >
>> > >>> At home we use Winblows.
>> > >>
>> > >> You're all complaining about it and putting it down but... you're
>> > >> using it!
>> > >>
>> > >> Weaklings!
>> > >
>> > > You caught me. I can't stand up for myself. (Heh.)
>> > >
>> > > My husband uses CAD software that isn't available anywhere
>> > > but Windows. At home, I surf the web and play solitaire, so I barely
>> > > care what OS we use. Doesn't mean I don't recognize Windows as a POS.
>> > >
>> > > At work, I have to use what the company wants me to use, which is
>> > > a mix of Windows and a handful of Unixes (Unices?)
>> > >
>> > > Cindy Hamilton
>> > >
>> >
>> > Most of us use Windows for the same reason. It does everything I need
>> > and was already on the computer when I bought it. Are other OS better?
>> > Don't know, I never used them and never had an incentive to try others. .
>> >
>> > Why do you think it is a POS? Compared to other systems?
>>
>> It's fine for civilians. It's really painful for a programmer
>> who is used to the power and simplicity of Unix. It's a resource
>> hog on the hardware; relatively speaking it takes an eternity to
>> run anything.
>>
>> I'm not alone:
>>
>> <https://www.marksanborn.net/software/10-reasons-why-i-hate-microsoft-windows/>
>> <http://www.zdnet.com/article/so-why-do-people-hate-windows/>
>> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/134819/article.html>
>>
>> It's telling that PCworld magazine hates Microsoft.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant fixin'.

For a user, the OS doesn't really matter. If you're computer literate,
as I believe you are, you can make Windows work for you without a
problem. Or Unix or Linux or Apple's OS or mobile stuff etc.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 14:21:46 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 12:16 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:05:36 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
>>>> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world scary.
>>>> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> A lot depends on your age. The millennials and later generations don't
>>> quite see it that way. These guys aren't hooked on Windows - they use
>>> iOS and Android for their computers.
>>
>>
>> True, but so what? I don't care if the millennials or anyone have the
>> newest electronic devices hanging from every orifice, or what kind of
>> car they drive and so on, so why should anyone care what I like or don't
>> like since it doesn't affect their choices? Most of the "distain" you
>> talk about seems to be coming from you toward people in the group that
>> don't embrace every single new technology.
>>
>> Cheri
>
>It's a funny term, the millennials.
>
>Some things aren't "cool". Not "trendy". It is going to be expensive.
> And if you forget to charge something and the lights go out.. Uh oh.
>
>Really? Does anyone want to have to charge every lamp or fan or
>whatever in their house?
>
>Not me.

It's very tempting but I'm not saying it!

On 6/28/2017 2:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant fixin'.
>

So you made a system that is better? I hear people complain all the
time, yet none have made a better program. I'm sure they could or they
would be happy to be able to get what is readily available.

On 6/28/2017 10:59 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
>
> On 6/28/2017 8:17 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/25/2017 8:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 6/25/2017 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> The modern world is kinda scary for most of the posters on this
>>>> newsgroup. How interesting is that? Very!
>>>
>>> You like to say that but I never know what makes you
>>> think that.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
>> everything in our lives.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Did you see that Google was fined by the EU for favoring their own
> shopping service? I think is is bogus to fine them. There are
> alternative searches, we don't pay anything to use Google, and they are
> not doing anything we'd not do. If your brother is a plumber and a
> neighbor asked if you know a good plumber, what would you say?
>
> ==
>
> That is going down big here. It seems the companies pay Google to put
> their companies high on the search list.
>
> Personally I don't care but apparently it is illegal.
>
>
>

Depends on what they pay for. If I pay to be #1 and you make me #2 I
have a complaint. If I just want to be on the list and I am, though in
48th place, I have no complaint.

I don't pay anything to use Google no matter what the placement so I
have no complaint.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 14:52:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 10:59 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 6/28/2017 8:17 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 6/25/2017 8:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 6/25/2017 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The modern world is kinda scary for most of the posters on this
>>>>> newsgroup. How interesting is that? Very!
>>>>
>>>> You like to say that but I never know what makes you
>>>> think that.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
>>> everything in our lives.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Did you see that Google was fined by the EU for favoring their own
>> shopping service? I think is is bogus to fine them. There are
>> alternative searches, we don't pay anything to use Google, and they are
>> not doing anything we'd not do. If your brother is a plumber and a
>> neighbor asked if you know a good plumber, what would you say?
>>
>> ==
>>
>> That is going down big here. It seems the companies pay Google to put
>> their companies high on the search list.
>>
>> Personally I don't care but apparently it is illegal.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Depends on what they pay for. If I pay to be #1 and you make me #2 I
>have a complaint. If I just want to be on the list and I am, though in
>48th place, I have no complaint.
>
>I don't pay anything to use Google no matter what the placement so I
>have no complaint.

"What Google has done is illegal under EU antitrust rules," said
Margrethe Vestager, the bloc's top antitrust official. "It denied
other companies the chance to compete on the merits and to innovate.
And most importantly, it denied European consumers a genuine choice of
services and the full benefits of innovation."

It's good that governments keep an eye on this creepy Big Brother
company.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 6/28/2017 10:59 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
>
> On 6/28/2017 8:17 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/25/2017 8:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 6/25/2017 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>
>>>> The modern world is kinda scary for most of the posters on this
>>>> newsgroup. How interesting is that? Very!
>>>
>>> You like to say that but I never know what makes you
>>> think that.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>
>> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
>> everything in our lives.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Did you see that Google was fined by the EU for favoring their own
> shopping service? I think is is bogus to fine them. There are
> alternative searches, we don't pay anything to use Google, and they are
> not doing anything we'd not do. If your brother is a plumber and a
> neighbor asked if you know a good plumber, what would you say?
>
> ==
>
> That is going down big here. It seems the companies pay Google to put
> their companies high on the search list.
>
> Personally I don't care but apparently it is illegal.
>
>
>

Depends on what they pay for. If I pay to be #1 and you make me #2 I
have a complaint. If I just want to be on the list and I am, though in
48th place, I have no complaint.

I don't pay anything to use Google no matter what the placement so I
have no complaint.


====


Not my opinion as I said, it's the EU!

https://www.theguardian.com/business...n-fine-from-eu

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 14:52:18 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 10:59 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 6/28/2017 8:17 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 6/25/2017 8:17 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 6/25/2017 2:41 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The modern world is kinda scary for most of the posters on this
>>>>> newsgroup. How interesting is that? Very!
>>>>
>>>> You like to say that but I never know what makes you
>>>> think that.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
>>> everything in our lives.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Did you see that Google was fined by the EU for favoring their own
>> shopping service? I think is is bogus to fine them. There are
>> alternative searches, we don't pay anything to use Google, and they are
>> not doing anything we'd not do. If your brother is a plumber and a
>> neighbor asked if you know a good plumber, what would you say?
>>
>> ==
>>
>> That is going down big here. It seems the companies pay Google to put
>> their companies high on the search list.
>>
>> Personally I don't care but apparently it is illegal.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Depends on what they pay for. If I pay to be #1 and you make me #2 I
>have a complaint. If I just want to be on the list and I am, though in
>48th place, I have no complaint.
>
>I don't pay anything to use Google no matter what the placement so I
>have no complaint.

"What Google has done is illegal under EU antitrust rules," said
Margrethe Vestager, the bloc's top antitrust official. "It denied
other companies the chance to compete on the merits and to innovate.
And most importantly, it denied European consumers a genuine choice of
services and the full benefits of innovation."

It's good that governments keep an eye on this creepy Big Brother
company.

===

Oh Yes!

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 2017-06-28 1:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 6/28/2017 9:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
>>> everything in our lives.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Did you see that Google was fined by the EU for favoring their own
>> shopping service? I think is is bogus to fine them. There are
>> alternative searches, we don't pay anything to use Google, and they are
>> not doing anything we'd not do. If your brother is a plumber and a
>> neighbor asked if you know a good plumber, what would you say?
>
> If my brother was a plumber I'd say DO NOT HIRE HIM. LOL

I am trying to figure out how the EU has the jurisdiction to fine a US
based company, especially considering the nature of the business. There
are all sorts of gimmicks used by the various search engines. I would
be happier if they levied fines against the makers of software that
change your default search engine when you install some other program.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:22:49 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 12:15 PM, lucretia wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>
>>> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this case
>>> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>>>
>>> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house
>>> via a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I return,
>>> I switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an
>>> app on a phone.
>>
>> Living in a house I might like to turn different lights on and off if
>> I was away, to make it appear I was not away.
>>>
>I used timers that turned the lights on and off in the bedroom and
>living room when I was away. Just plug it into the electric socket and
>plug the lamp into the timer. Set the timer. On at dusk, off at
>bedtime. On again in the morning, off during the day.

I usethose for convenience but I am referring to a house, if you want
potential burglars to think someone is at home, the lights need to be
different every night. You can't do that with timers.
>

On 6/28/2017 3:45 PM, lucretia wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:22:49 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/2017 12:15 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this case
>>>> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>>>>
>>>> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house
>>>> via a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I return,
>>>> I switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an
>>>> app on a phone.
>>>
>>> Living in a house I might like to turn different lights on and off if
>>> I was away, to make it appear I was not away.
>>>>
>> I used timers that turned the lights on and off in the bedroom and
>> living room when I was away. Just plug it into the electric socket and
>> plug the lamp into the timer. Set the timer. On at dusk, off at
>> bedtime. On again in the morning, off during the day.
>
> I usethose for convenience but I am referring to a house, if you want
> potential burglars to think someone is at home, the lights need to be
> different every night. You can't do that with timers.
>>
>
Of course you can. AM PM, different times and different lights in
different rooms. You can turn the TV on and off. Anything you can plug
into an electric outlet. No need for a "smart" anything.

Jill

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 1:18:23 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 6:16:40 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > "dsi1" <dsi10ahoo.com> wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:05:36 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > >> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
> > >> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world scary.
> > >> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
> > >>
> > >> Cheri
> > >
> > > A lot depends on your age. The millennials and later generations don't
> > > quite see it that way. These guys aren't hooked on Windows - they use iOS
> > > and Android for their computers.
> >
> >
> > True, but so what? I don't care if the millennials or anyone have the newest
> > electronic devices hanging from every orifice, or what kind of car they
> > drive and so on, so why should anyone care what I like or don't like since
> > it doesn't affect their choices? Most of the "distain" you talk about seems
> > to be coming from you toward people in the group that don't embrace every
> > single new technology.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> "Distain?" Oopsie - my bad! What's the big deal? Is it not true that old folks don't like new things? Let us embrace that truth.

Let us not. My grandmother started eating salsa in her 80s.

Cindy Hamilton

On 6/28/2017 2:45 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/28/2017 2:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My
>> guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to
>> use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant
>> fixin'.
>>
>
> So you made a system that is better? I hear people complain all the
> time, yet none have made a better program. I'm sure they could or they
> would be happy to be able to get what is readily available.

I find it funny dsi1 describes Unix as a "buggy graphical interface". LOL

Obviously he's never grepped for pids in his entire life.

Jill

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 2:12:13 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 5:40:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > > On 6/28/2017 6:48 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >
> > > >>> At home we use Winblows.
> > > >>
> > > >> You're all complaining about it and putting it down but... you're
> > > >> using it!
> > > >>
> > > >> Weaklings!
> > > >
> > > > You caught me. I can't stand up for myself. (Heh.)
> > > >
> > > > My husband uses CAD software that isn't available anywhere
> > > > but Windows. At home, I surf the web and play solitaire, so I barely
> > > > care what OS we use. Doesn't mean I don't recognize Windows as a POS.
> > > >
> > > > At work, I have to use what the company wants me to use, which is
> > > > a mix of Windows and a handful of Unixes (Unices?)
> > > >
> > > > Cindy Hamilton
> > > >
> > >
> > > Most of us use Windows for the same reason. It does everything I need
> > > and was already on the computer when I bought it. Are other OS better?
> > > Don't know, I never used them and never had an incentive to try others. .
> > >
> > > Why do you think it is a POS? Compared to other systems?
> >
> > It's fine for civilians. It's really painful for a programmer
> > who is used to the power and simplicity of Unix. It's a resource
> > hog on the hardware; relatively speaking it takes an eternity to
> > run anything.
> >
> > I'm not alone:
> >
> > <https://www.marksanborn.net/software/10-reasons-why-i-hate-microsoft-windows/>
> > <http://www.zdnet.com/article/so-why-do-people-hate-windows/>
> > <http://www.pcworld.com/article/134819/article.html>
> >
> > It's telling that PCworld magazine hates Microsoft.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant fixin'.

The Unixes that I use have graphical interfaces. I mainly ignore them,
bring up a bunch of terminal windows, and use the shell like Bourne
intended.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:53:03 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 2:45 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/28/2017 2:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My
>>> guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to
>>> use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant
>>> fixin'.
>>>
>>
>> So you made a system that is better? I hear people complain all the
>> time, yet none have made a better program. I'm sure they could or they
>> would be happy to be able to get what is readily available.
>
>I find it funny dsi1 describes Unix as a "buggy graphical interface". LOL

He doesn't.

On 6/28/2017 3:45 PM, lucretia wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:22:49 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/2017 12:15 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>
>>>> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this case
>>>> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>>>>
>>>> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house
>>>> via a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I return,
>>>> I switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an
>>>> app on a phone.
>>>
>>> Living in a house I might like to turn different lights on and off if
>>> I was away, to make it appear I was not away.
>>>>
>> I used timers that turned the lights on and off in the bedroom and
>> living room when I was away. Just plug it into the electric socket and
>> plug the lamp into the timer. Set the timer. On at dusk, off at
>> bedtime. On again in the morning, off during the day.
>
> I usethose for convenience but I am referring to a house, if you want
> potential burglars to think someone is at home, the lights need to be
> different every night. You can't do that with timers.
>>
>

Sure you can. Mine varies on and off by 30 minutes either way. Many
others available. Some vary each day, others do random. You can get
timers that compensate for the length of day during the year too.

https://www.amazon.com/Enover-TS18-P...le+light+timer

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:43:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-06-28 1:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/28/2017 9:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
>>>> everything in our lives.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Did you see that Google was fined by the EU for favoring their own
>>> shopping service? I think is is bogus to fine them. There are
>>> alternative searches, we don't pay anything to use Google, and they are
>>> not doing anything we'd not do. If your brother is a plumber and a
>>> neighbor asked if you know a good plumber, what would you say?
>>
>> If my brother was a plumber I'd say DO NOT HIRE HIM. LOL
>
>I am trying to figure out how the EU has the jurisdiction to fine a US
>based company, especially considering the nature of the business. There
>are all sorts of gimmicks used by the various search engines. I would
>be happier if they levied fines against the makers of software that
>change your default search engine when you install some other program.
>

If I recall correctly, they were fined based on their habits affecting
EU people.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:49:43 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 3:45 PM, lucretia wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:22:49 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/28/2017 12:15 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this case
>>>>> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house
>>>>> via a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I return,
>>>>> I switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an
>>>>> app on a phone.
>>>>
>>>> Living in a house I might like to turn different lights on and off if
>>>> I was away, to make it appear I was not away.
>>>>>
>>> I used timers that turned the lights on and off in the bedroom and
>>> living room when I was away. Just plug it into the electric socket and
>>> plug the lamp into the timer. Set the timer. On at dusk, off at
>>> bedtime. On again in the morning, off during the day.
>>
>> I usethose for convenience but I am referring to a house, if you want
>> potential burglars to think someone is at home, the lights need to be
>> different every night. You can't do that with timers.
>>>
>>
>Of course you can. AM PM, different times and different lights in
>different rooms. You can turn the TV on and off. Anything you can plug
>into an electric outlet. No need for a "smart" anything.
>
>Jill

You believe they are so dumb they don't see a pattern?

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:22:19 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 3:45 PM, lucretia wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:22:49 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/28/2017 12:15 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this case
>>>>> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house
>>>>> via a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I return,
>>>>> I switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an
>>>>> app on a phone.
>>>>
>>>> Living in a house I might like to turn different lights on and off if
>>>> I was away, to make it appear I was not away.
>>>>>
>>> I used timers that turned the lights on and off in the bedroom and
>>> living room when I was away. Just plug it into the electric socket and
>>> plug the lamp into the timer. Set the timer. On at dusk, off at
>>> bedtime. On again in the morning, off during the day.
>>
>> I usethose for convenience but I am referring to a house, if you want
>> potential burglars to think someone is at home, the lights need to be
>> different every night. You can't do that with timers.
>>>
>>
>
>Sure you can. Mine varies on and off by 30 minutes either way. Many
>others available. Some vary each day, others do random. You can get
>timers that compensate for the length of day during the year too.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Enover-TS18-P...le+light+timer

I haven't bought any for quite some time, condo living is different,
but I see amazon says those don't ship to Canada. Next time I am in
hardware dept must look.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:43:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-06-28 1:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 6/28/2017 9:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
>>>> everything in our lives.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Did you see that Google was fined by the EU for favoring their own
>>> shopping service? I think is is bogus to fine them. There are
>>> alternative searches, we don't pay anything to use Google, and they are
>>> not doing anything we'd not do. If your brother is a plumber and a
>>> neighbor asked if you know a good plumber, what would you say?
>>
>> If my brother was a plumber I'd say DO NOT HIRE HIM. LOL
>
>I am trying to figure out how the EU has the jurisdiction to fine a US
>based company, especially considering the nature of the business. There
>are all sorts of gimmicks used by the various search engines.

Google should be fined and fined and fined until they're a mom & pop
shop.

>I would
>be happier if they levied fines against the makers of software that
>change your default search engine when you install some other program.

If it's above the board software, they offer an option to turn that
off. Although I sometimes go too fast to see it.

On 6/28/2017 5:38 PM, lucretia wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:49:43 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/28/2017 3:45 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:22:49 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2017 12:15 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this case
>>>>>> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house
>>>>>> via a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I return,
>>>>>> I switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an
>>>>>> app on a phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Living in a house I might like to turn different lights on and off if
>>>>> I was away, to make it appear I was not away.
>>>>>>
>>>> I used timers that turned the lights on and off in the bedroom and
>>>> living room when I was away. Just plug it into the electric socket and
>>>> plug the lamp into the timer. Set the timer. On at dusk, off at
>>>> bedtime. On again in the morning, off during the day.
>>>
>>> I usethose for convenience but I am referring to a house, if you want
>>> potential burglars to think someone is at home, the lights need to be
>>> different every night. You can't do that with timers.
>>>>
>>>
>> Of course you can. AM PM, different times and different lights in
>> different rooms. You can turn the TV on and off. Anything you can plug
>> into an electric outlet. No need for a "smart" anything.
>>
>> Jill
>
> You believe they are so dumb they don't see a pattern?
>
All I can say is I was never burglarized when I was away from home.

Jill

On 6/28/2017 5:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/28/2017 3:45 PM, lucretia wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:22:49 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/28/2017 12:15 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this
>>>>> case
>>>>> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house
>>>>> via a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I
>>>>> return,
>>>>> I switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an
>>>>> app on a phone.
>>>>
>>>> Living in a house I might like to turn different lights on and off if
>>>> I was away, to make it appear I was not away.
>>>>>
>>> I used timers that turned the lights on and off in the bedroom and
>>> living room when I was away. Just plug it into the electric socket and
>>> plug the lamp into the timer. Set the timer. On at dusk, off at
>>> bedtime. On again in the morning, off during the day.
>>
>> I usethose for convenience but I am referring to a house, if you want
>> potential burglars to think someone is at home, the lights need to be
>> different every night. You can't do that with timers.
>>>
>>
>
> Sure you can. Mine varies on and off by 30 minutes either way. Many
> others available. Some vary each day, others do random. You can get
> timers that compensate for the length of day during the year too.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Enover-TS18-P...le+light+timer
>
>
Funny how she believes you but she didn't believe me. Mine aren't even
digital. Timers you plug in and dial to turn on off and specific times
in different rooms. Day and night, different lamps. Nothing new.
Don't need a phone to do it.

Jill

On 2017-06-28, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> So you made a system that is better?

What "better"!?

It's not a question of "better", it's a question of how much $$$$ can
be made from whatever new std/process/device/etc. Corps don't give a
good-dogdamn whether or not it benefits anyone. It's all about how
much $$$$ can be raked in and at what cost.

It looks like the rubes (most consumers) are right on schedule.

nb

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:49:26 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 5:38 PM, lucretia wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:49:43 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/28/2017 3:45 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:22:49 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/28/2017 12:15 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this case
>>>>>>> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house
>>>>>>> via a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I return,
>>>>>>> I switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an
>>>>>>> app on a phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Living in a house I might like to turn different lights on and off if
>>>>>> I was away, to make it appear I was not away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>> I used timers that turned the lights on and off in the bedroom and
>>>>> living room when I was away. Just plug it into the electric socket and
>>>>> plug the lamp into the timer. Set the timer. On at dusk, off at
>>>>> bedtime. On again in the morning, off during the day.
>>>>
>>>> I usethose for convenience but I am referring to a house, if you want
>>>> potential burglars to think someone is at home, the lights need to be
>>>> different every night. You can't do that with timers.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> Of course you can. AM PM, different times and different lights in
>>> different rooms. You can turn the TV on and off. Anything you can plug
>>> into an electric outlet. No need for a "smart" anything.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> You believe they are so dumb they don't see a pattern?
>>
>All I can say is I was never burglarized when I was away from home.
>
>Jill

Aren't you in a gated community or something?