On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:57:00 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 5:22 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/28/2017 3:45 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:22:49 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2017 12:15 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this
>>>>>> case
>>>>>> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house
>>>>>> via a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I
>>>>>> return,
>>>>>> I switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an
>>>>>> app on a phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Living in a house I might like to turn different lights on and off if
>>>>> I was away, to make it appear I was not away.
>>>>>>
>>>> I used timers that turned the lights on and off in the bedroom and
>>>> living room when I was away. Just plug it into the electric socket and
>>>> plug the lamp into the timer. Set the timer. On at dusk, off at
>>>> bedtime. On again in the morning, off during the day.
>>>
>>> I usethose for convenience but I am referring to a house, if you want
>>> potential burglars to think someone is at home, the lights need to be
>>> different every night. You can't do that with timers.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sure you can. Mine varies on and off by 30 minutes either way. Many
>> others available. Some vary each day, others do random. You can get
>> timers that compensate for the length of day during the year too.
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Enover-TS18-P...le+light+timer
>>
>>
>Funny how she believes you but she didn't believe me. Mine aren't even
>digital. Timers you plug in and dial to turn on off and specific times
>in different rooms. Day and night, different lamps. Nothing new.
>Don't need a phone to do it.
>
>Jill

Ed was talking 'digital' timers, far newer stuff than mine - or yours
likely. If I set mine they go on and off religiously at the periods
set. Maybe the digital ones are doubtful, I don't know, I live in a
condo now not an isolated house by a beach.

On 6/28/2017 5:46 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:43:27 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-06-28 1:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2017 9:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
>>>>> everything in our lives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> Did you see that Google was fined by the EU for favoring their own
>>>> shopping service? I think is is bogus to fine them. There are
>>>> alternative searches, we don't pay anything to use Google, and they are
>>>> not doing anything we'd not do. If your brother is a plumber and a
>>>> neighbor asked if you know a good plumber, what would you say?
>>>
>>> If my brother was a plumber I'd say DO NOT HIRE HIM. LOL
>>
>> I am trying to figure out how the EU has the jurisdiction to fine a US
>> based company, especially considering the nature of the business. There
>> are all sorts of gimmicks used by the various search engines.
>
> Google should be fined and fined and fined until they're a mom & pop
> shop.
>
>> I would
>> be happier if they levied fines against the makers of software that
>> change your default search engine when you install some other program.
>
> If it's above the board software, they offer an option to turn that
> off. Although I sometimes go too fast to see it.
>

Java updates are notorious for it; you had to deselect it. When I was
working, my boss's computer had every toolbar and search engine ever
offered.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:52:25 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 5:46 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:43:27 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-06-28 1:16 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/2017 9:33 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>> I suspect it's because we don't all want Google to take charge of
>>>>>> everything in our lives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you see that Google was fined by the EU for favoring their own
>>>>> shopping service? I think is is bogus to fine them. There are
>>>>> alternative searches, we don't pay anything to use Google, and they are
>>>>> not doing anything we'd not do. If your brother is a plumber and a
>>>>> neighbor asked if you know a good plumber, what would you say?
>>>>
>>>> If my brother was a plumber I'd say DO NOT HIRE HIM. LOL
>>>
>>> I am trying to figure out how the EU has the jurisdiction to fine a US
>>> based company, especially considering the nature of the business. There
>>> are all sorts of gimmicks used by the various search engines.
>>
>> Google should be fined and fined and fined until they're a mom & pop
>> shop.
>>
>>> I would
>>> be happier if they levied fines against the makers of software that
>>> change your default search engine when you install some other program.
>>
>> If it's above the board software, they offer an option to turn that
>> off. Although I sometimes go too fast to see it.
>>
>
>Java updates are notorious for it; you had to deselect it. When I was
>working, my boss's computer had every toolbar and search engine ever
>offered.

lol

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 9:49:07 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:54:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi10yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:05:36 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> >> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
>> >> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world
>> >> scary.
>> >> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> >
>> >A lot depends on your age. The millennials and later generations don't
>> >quite see it that way. These guys aren't hooked on Windows - they use
>> >iOS and Android for their computers.
>>
>> If I don't use Windows I'm unemployed, but I can live without iOS and
>> Android.
>
> It doesn't matter what you or I use. For the first time since the 80's,
> more people are using cell phone based OSes than Windows. Things are going
> as we have planned...

I have noticed that. I hate doing stuff on my cell phone. I got the Taco
Time (local chain) app so I could get discounts and free food. But then I
discovered that I have to pay using my phone. I'm not going to do that,
especially since when I do get their food. I almost always use the drive
through. I have seen people hand over their phones and Starbucks. Nope. Not
taking the chance of someone dropping my phone. Plus I prefer paying with
cash. Cash is simple. I can see it in my wallet. I can see how much I have.
And I can see when I need to stop spending. I know that cash is going the
way of the wind but... I'm a die hard.

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 8:24:02 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsiyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 5:40:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> > On 6/28/2017 6:48 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >>> At home we use Winblows.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> You're all complaining about it and putting it down but... you're
> >> > >> using it!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Weaklings!
> >> > >
> >> > > You caught me. I can't stand up for myself. (Heh.)
> >> > >
> >> > > My husband uses CAD software that isn't available anywhere
> >> > > but Windows. At home, I surf the web and play solitaire, so I barely
> >> > > care what OS we use. Doesn't mean I don't recognize Windows as a POS.
> >> > >
> >> > > At work, I have to use what the company wants me to use, which is
> >> > > a mix of Windows and a handful of Unixes (Unices?)
> >> > >
> >> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Most of us use Windows for the same reason. It does everything I need
> >> > and was already on the computer when I bought it. Are other OS better?
> >> > Don't know, I never used them and never had an incentive to try others. .
> >> >
> >> > Why do you think it is a POS? Compared to other systems?
> >>
> >> It's fine for civilians. It's really painful for a programmer
> >> who is used to the power and simplicity of Unix. It's a resource
> >> hog on the hardware; relatively speaking it takes an eternity to
> >> run anything.
> >>
> >> I'm not alone:
> >>
> >> <https://www.marksanborn.net/software/10-reasons-why-i-hate-microsoft-windows/>
> >> <http://www.zdnet.com/article/so-why-do-people-hate-windows/>
> >> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/134819/article.html>
> >>
> >> It's telling that PCworld magazine hates Microsoft.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> >Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant fixin'.
>
> For a user, the OS doesn't really matter. If you're computer literate,
> as I believe you are, you can make Windows work for you without a
> problem. Or Unix or Linux or Apple's OS or mobile stuff etc.

I know how to handle Windows and hardware problems. These days I'm a casual Windows user so I don't have much of anything to do with the OS. I am a believer that you have to reload Windows every 30 months or so to keep it running snappy.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:22:19 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 6/28/2017 3:45 PM, lucretia wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:22:49 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/28/2017 12:15 PM, lucretia wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:13:28 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/27/2017 2:04 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly, Cheri. I don't need everything to be connected. In this case
>>>>> I'm talking about smart phones and "connected" appliances.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would I need to be able to turn the lights on (or off) in my house
>>>>> via a phone? If I'm going out and I know it will be dark when I return,
>>>>> I switch on a lamp before I leave. No need to turn on lights using an
>>>>> app on a phone.
>>>>
>>>> Living in a house I might like to turn different lights on and off if
>>>> I was away, to make it appear I was not away.
>>>>>
>>> I used timers that turned the lights on and off in the bedroom and
>>> living room when I was away. Just plug it into the electric socket and
>>> plug the lamp into the timer. Set the timer. On at dusk, off at
>>> bedtime. On again in the morning, off during the day.
>>
>> I usethose for convenience but I am referring to a house, if you want
>> potential burglars to think someone is at home, the lights need to be
>> different every night. You can't do that with timers.
>>>
>>
>
>Sure you can. Mine varies on and off by 30 minutes either way. Many
>others available. Some vary each day, others do random. You can get
>timers that compensate for the length of day during the year too.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/Enover-TS18-P...le+light+timer

The LED lights I use don't need a timer. they go off at dawn and come
on at dusk. Inside I have LED night lights that come on at dusk an go
off at dawn and only use 1/2 watt, and are far brighter than an 8 watt
incondecscent, and are good for 15 years.

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 8:45:08 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/28/2017 2:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant fixin'.
> >
>
> So you made a system that is better? I hear people complain all the
> time, yet none have made a better program. I'm sure they could or they
> would be happy to be able to get what is readily available.

I don't understand what you mean by making a system that's better. Who the heck makes an OS? Windows is so old and large that nobody really knows how it works.

I do mostly use OSes other than Windows and macOS. If I had my way, I'd never use Windows. As it goes, a lot of devices these days need to be programmed using proprietary software and nearly all of these are Windows desktop client programs. There are a lot of people in different professions that are forced to use Windows. Life would be a whole lot better if programming of these devices were done through web-based programs or through cell phones. One day they will. That one's a no brainer.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
news
> No thank you from me too. When I first moved into this house, there was a
> self cleaning oven that did a great job, with simple knobs to set the
> time, temp, time to turn on, time to turn off, didn't need a manual to
> learn how to use it, could easily replace the relatively inexpensive
> elements etc. I would have loved to have been able to buy the same, but
> all the "better" technology took over and I couldn't. LOL

I am wondering what I'll do if I have to replace my appliances. I only got
the new stove because the one that was in here looked like they had roasted
a fatty pig in it, straight on the rack. It wasn't self cleaning. IIRC, the
one I got was $299. I wish now that I had gone with white. Far easier to
replace. But... They had bisque ones in here and since I couldn't afford to
replace them all at once, I wanted them to match. I may well have been able
to get a white one for less money. I certainly would have gotten it quicker.
Mine is self cleaning and easy to operate.

My mom got one of those flat top ones, which I hate. Everything about it was
complicated. Just using the oven was bad enough. I could never remember all
the steps you had to go through just to make it come on. And neither of us
ever figured out how to make the timer work. For all I know, that part may
well have been broken.

I resorted to using my dishwasher for storage. I never used it anyway, and
it seemed to develop a clog. I say this because someone here told me to just
run water through it. When I did, water came out the overflow valve. Not a
lot. Just a little bit. I will probably get that checked out the next time
my handyman comes. I am compiling a list. No sense having him come unless I
have several things for him to do.

I recently checked out fridges. The only side by side I saw listed at Lowes
in the bisque had the beverage dispenser. I don't want that. Would never use
it. Had one on the fridge here when we moved in. If you pressed on it, a few
drops of liquid came out. Condensation? Don't know. Wasn't hooked up to
anything. The main problem I have is the space for the fridge. When I bought
mine, it was the only one that would fit in that space. I could have gotten
a very small one with a top freezer. It would have fit in height but would
have been far too small for our needs and would have left vast spaces on
either side of it. Now that I think about it, I believe the new stove was
slightly wider than the old one. Guy had a hard time sliding it in there.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:33:04 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 8:24:02 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsiyahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 5:40:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

>> >> > Why do you think it is a POS? Compared to other systems?
>> >>
>> >> It's fine for civilians. It's really painful for a programmer
>> >> who is used to the power and simplicity of Unix. It's a resource
>> >> hog on the hardware; relatively speaking it takes an eternity to
>> >> run anything.
>> >>
>> >> I'm not alone:
>> >>
>> >> <https://www.marksanborn.net/software/10-reasons-why-i-hate-microsoft-windows/>
>> >> <http://www.zdnet.com/article/so-why-do-people-hate-windows/>
>> >> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/134819/article.html>
>> >>
>> >> It's telling that PCworld magazine hates Microsoft.
>> >>
>> >> Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> >Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant fixin'.
>>
>> For a user, the OS doesn't really matter. If you're computer literate,
>> as I believe you are, you can make Windows work for you without a
>> problem. Or Unix or Linux or Apple's OS or mobile stuff etc.
>
>I know how to handle Windows and hardware problems. These days I'm a casual Windows user so I don't have much of anything to do with the OS. I am a believer that you have to reload Windows every 30 months or so to keep it running snappy.

Yes. I always plan to make an image to return to every now and then,
but I never do. A PC is too much a work in progress. An image would
never be up to date.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On 28 Jun 2017 17:34:14 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>
>>On 2017-06-28, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> I recently saw a TV ad showing a teenage brother and sister driving home
>>> in a car. Their parents called, did you do the laundry? They scrambled
>>> on the phone, find the app! They turned on the washing machine via
>>> their phone.
>>
>>Reminds me of the TV ads that showed 3 kids, in a room, all
>>interacting with ther cellphones. If you have 3 teens in a room all
>>ignoring each other so they can txt msg on their cell phone, there is
>>something terribly wrong with those kids ...and our society.
>
> I read that young people are becoming sexually active later because of
> social media. Maybe that's a good thing.

They're doing everything later. I found it odd that they were having slumber
parties and sleep overs in high school. These are things we did in
elementary school and perhaps 7th grade. Beyond that, we most only slept at
someone else's house if there was a reason for it. Like we both worked at
the same place, had to be there early in the morning and the one person
lived a lot closer to work.

They're driving a lot later too. I guess my kid was rogue. She got her
license as soon as she turned 16 and lucked out in being able to get a good
car for cheap. A lot of people her age not only have no license but haven't
even learned to drive.

On 6/28/2017 6:35 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-06-28, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> So you made a system that is better?
>
> What "better"!?
>
> It's not a question of "better", it's a question of how much $$$$ can
> be made from whatever new std/process/device/etc. Corps don't give a
> good-dogdamn whether or not it benefits anyone. It's all about how
> much $$$$ can be raked in and at what cost.
>
> It looks like the rubes (most consumers) are right on schedule.
>
> nb
>

Better is an OS that people don't complain about.

When Ferrucccio Lamborghini was unsatisfied with the Ferrari he bought,
Enzo told him he should make his own car. So he did. Why don't the
people that bitch about Windows do the same since they seem to know more
than Gates & Company.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> Remember the days when kids played friends in the neighborhood rather than
> avatars?
>
> Cell phone ads these days are all about "you get five lines!" (for an
> amazing amount of money). Who needs five friggin phone lines? Oh, all
> these connected families who don't spend time together but have to keep in
> touch. Maybe eventually they'll meet and have dinner together. Heh.

And when they do, they'll be texting each other at the table.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 6:16:40 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" <dsi10ahoo.com> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:05:36 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> >> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
>> >> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world
>> >> scary.
>> >> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
>> >>
>> >> Cheri
>> >
>> > A lot depends on your age. The millennials and later generations don't
>> > quite see it that way. These guys aren't hooked on Windows - they use
>> > iOS
>> > and Android for their computers.
>>
>>
>> True, but so what? I don't care if the millennials or anyone have the
>> newest
>> electronic devices hanging from every orifice, or what kind of car they
>> drive and so on, so why should anyone care what I like or don't like
>> since
>> it doesn't affect their choices? Most of the "distain" you talk about
>> seems
>> to be coming from you toward people in the group that don't embrace every
>> single new technology.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> "Distain?" Oopsie - my bad! What's the big deal? Is it not true that old
> folks don't like new things? Let us embrace that truth.


So what if it is true? Why in the world would anyone else care? Oh, and the
*distain* instead of disdain was my error, not yours.

Cheri

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 10:53:09 AM UTC-10, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 6/28/2017 2:45 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 6/28/2017 2:12 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My
> >> guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to
> >> use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant
> >> fixin'.
> >>
> >
> > So you made a system that is better? I hear people complain all the
> > time, yet none have made a better program. I'm sure they could or they
> > would be happy to be able to get what is readily available.
>
> I find it funny dsi1 describes Unix as a "buggy graphical interface". LOL
>
> Obviously he's never grepped for pids in his entire life.
>
> Jill

You might want to check on your understanding of what I said. I never said that Unix has a buggy graphical interface. There no point in elaborating on this since that would be risking even greater confusion on your part.

I'm not impressed by your "grepped for pids" schtick. Should I be?

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 2:32:40 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 9:49:07 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:54:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi10yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:05:36 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> >> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
> >> >> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world
> >> >> scary.
> >> >> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me..
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheri
> >> >
> >> >A lot depends on your age. The millennials and later generations don't
> >> >quite see it that way. These guys aren't hooked on Windows - they use
> >> >iOS and Android for their computers.
> >>
> >> If I don't use Windows I'm unemployed, but I can live without iOS and
> >> Android.
> >
> > It doesn't matter what you or I use. For the first time since the 80's,
> > more people are using cell phone based OSes than Windows. Things are going
> > as we have planned...
>
> I have noticed that. I hate doing stuff on my cell phone. I got the Taco
> Time (local chain) app so I could get discounts and free food. But then I
> discovered that I have to pay using my phone. I'm not going to do that,
> especially since when I do get their food. I almost always use the drive
> through. I have seen people hand over their phones and Starbucks. Nope. Not
> taking the chance of someone dropping my phone. Plus I prefer paying with
> cash. Cash is simple. I can see it in my wallet. I can see how much I have.
> And I can see when I need to stop spending. I know that cash is going the
> way of the wind but... I'm a die hard.

I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal. "Can people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so. I told her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna pull the lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less, most POS payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart phone pronto.

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 2:50:13 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:33:04 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi10yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 8:24:02 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsiyahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 5:40:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> >> >> > Why do you think it is a POS? Compared to other systems?
> >> >>
> >> >> It's fine for civilians. It's really painful for a programmer
> >> >> who is used to the power and simplicity of Unix. It's a resource
> >> >> hog on the hardware; relatively speaking it takes an eternity to
> >> >> run anything.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm not alone:
> >> >>
> >> >> <https://www.marksanborn.net/software/10-reasons-why-i-hate-microsoft-windows/>
> >> >> <http://www.zdnet.com/article/so-why-do-people-hate-windows/>
> >> >> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/134819/article.html>
> >> >>
> >> >> It's telling that PCworld magazine hates Microsoft.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >> >
> >> >Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant fixin'.
> >>
> >> For a user, the OS doesn't really matter. If you're computer literate,
> >> as I believe you are, you can make Windows work for you without a
> >> problem. Or Unix or Linux or Apple's OS or mobile stuff etc.
> >
> >I know how to handle Windows and hardware problems. These days I'm a casual Windows user so I don't have much of anything to do with the OS. I am a believer that you have to reload Windows every 30 months or so to keep it running snappy.
>
> Yes. I always plan to make an image to return to every now and then,
> but I never do. A PC is too much a work in progress. An image would
> never be up to date.

There's nothing that speeds up an old computer like throwing everything away and starting with a fresh OS. I suppose that's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater but then again, it's a fairly hideous baby.

"dsi1" > wrote in message news:d564cce2-57e5-46c4-bbad-

I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal. "Can
people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so. I told
her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna pull the
lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less, most POS
payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart phone pronto.


=====

NE-VAH!

Cheri

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 3:07:21 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi10hoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 6:16:40 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <dsi10ahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:05:36 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> >> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
> >> >> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world
> >> >> scary.
> >> >> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me..
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheri
> >> >
> >> > A lot depends on your age. The millennials and later generations don't
> >> > quite see it that way. These guys aren't hooked on Windows - they use
> >> > iOS
> >> > and Android for their computers.
> >>
> >>
> >> True, but so what? I don't care if the millennials or anyone have the
> >> newest
> >> electronic devices hanging from every orifice, or what kind of car they
> >> drive and so on, so why should anyone care what I like or don't like
> >> since
> >> it doesn't affect their choices? Most of the "distain" you talk about
> >> seems
> >> to be coming from you toward people in the group that don't embrace every
> >> single new technology.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > "Distain?" Oopsie - my bad! What's the big deal? Is it not true that old
> > folks don't like new things? Let us embrace that truth.
>
>
> So what if it is true? Why in the world would anyone else care? Oh, and the
> *distain* instead of disdain was my error, not yours.
>
> Cheri

Truth is good stuff. Nobody cares what you or I might be doing but it's useful to understand what people are doing i.e., what's "trending." Either you're interested in that or you are not. I'm interested in that kind of stuff - not that it matters much in the scheme of things.

Well, it looks like I'm posting too much so I'm expecting a message from Google telling me that I've exceeded my quota any minute now - God help us all. Oh well.

On 6/28/2017 8:32 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>

> I have noticed that. I hate doing stuff on my cell phone. I got the Taco
> Time (local chain) app so I could get discounts and free food. But then
> I discovered that I have to pay using my phone. I'm not going to do
> that, especially since when I do get their food. I almost always use the
> drive through. I have seen people hand over their phones and Starbucks.
> Nope. Not taking the chance of someone dropping my phone. Plus I prefer
> paying with cash. Cash is simple. I can see it in my wallet. I can see
> how much I have. And I can see when I need to stop spending. I know that
> cash is going the way of the wind but... I'm a die hard.

I don't get it either. Anything under $100 I prefer to pay cash.I see
people buying a coffee and using plastic. Given all the data breeches in
the past few years, I just don't want to expose myself if I don't have to.

At a couple of rest stops on Rt95 they had vending machines that
accepted payment by phone. While it may be handy, you paid a premium of
25 or 50 cents. Why make banks rich? I'd rather put the money to use
for me, not them.

On 6/28/2017 8:46 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>

> I recently checked out fridges. The only side by side I saw listed at
> Lowes in the bisque had the beverage dispenser. I don't want that. Would
> never use it. Had one on the fridge here when we moved in. If you
> pressed on it, a few drops of liquid came out. Condensation? Don't know.
> Wasn't hooked up to anything. The main problem I have is the space for
> the fridge. When I bought mine, it was the only one that would fit in
> that space. I could have gotten a very small one with a top freezer. It
> would have fit in height but would have been far too small for our needs
> and would have left vast spaces on either side of it. Now that I think
> about it, I believe the new stove was slightly wider than the old one.
> Guy had a hard time sliding it in there.

If you want a fridge in bisque you will have a limited selection. Seems
like the store displays are almost all stainless steel. They do exist
though
https://www.ajmadison.com/bisque-refrigerators/f

We use the water and ice dispensers on our many times a day. I'd not
buy one today without them. While I like the side by side better than a
top freezer, we like the bottom freezer best of all.

Be sure to check the height. When we got our new fridge last year I had
to cut the cabinet above it about an inch.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:50:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On 28 Jun 2017 17:34:14 GMT, notbob > wrote:
>>
>>>Reminds me of the TV ads that showed 3 kids, in a room, all
>>>interacting with ther cellphones. If you have 3 teens in a room all
>>>ignoring each other so they can txt msg on their cell phone, there is
>>>something terribly wrong with those kids ...and our society.
>>
>> I read that young people are becoming sexually active later because of
>> social media. Maybe that's a good thing.
>
>They're doing everything later. I found it odd that they were having slumber
>parties and sleep overs in high school. These are things we did in
>elementary school and perhaps 7th grade. Beyond that, we most only slept at
>someone else's house if there was a reason for it. Like we both worked at
>the same place, had to be there early in the morning and the one person
>lived a lot closer to work.
>
>They're driving a lot later too. I guess my kid was rogue. She got her
>license as soon as she turned 16 and lucked out in being able to get a good
>car for cheap. A lot of people her age not only have no license but haven't
>even learned to drive.

I think the later the better, especially for guys. The fewer years of
risk taking and showing off, the better.

On 6/28/2017 9:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal. "Can people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so. I told her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna pull the lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less, most POS payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart phone pronto.
>

There are at least three or four programs that allow you to do that.
Another thing I've noticed, a lot of stores no longer require you to
sign when you make a purchase. Twice I paid $300+ and no sig reqired.

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 4:52:35 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 6/28/2017 9:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal. "Can people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so. I told her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna pull the lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less, most POS payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart phone pronto.
> >
>
> There are at least three or four programs that allow you to do that.
> Another thing I've noticed, a lot of stores no longer require you to
> sign when you make a purchase. Twice I paid $300+ and no sig reqired.

I'd like to be able to make a payment using a smart watch.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 20:06:15 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 4:52:35 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/28/2017 9:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal. "Can people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so. I told her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna pull the lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less, most POS payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart phone pronto.
>> >
>>
>> There are at least three or four programs that allow you to do that.
>> Another thing I've noticed, a lot of stores no longer require you to
>> sign when you make a purchase. Twice I paid $300+ and no sig reqired.
>
>I'd like to be able to make a payment using a smart watch.

I want to make a payment by winking.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 6/28/2017 9:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal.
>> "Can people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so. I
>> told her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna pull
>> the lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less, most POS
>> payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart phone
>> pronto.
>>
>
> There are at least three or four programs that allow you to do that.
> Another thing I've noticed, a lot of stores no longer require you to sign
> when you make a purchase. Twice I paid $300+ and no sig reqired.



I believe all the stores where I am require a sig when the purchase is over
50.00, at least I haven't been to one that doesn't.

Cheri

Am Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2017 03:24:59 UTC+2 schrieb dsi1:

> There's nothing that speeds up an old computer like throwing everything
> away and starting with a fresh OS.

I did that with my old asus eee pc - netbook, not much memory, small ssds
then. Much too small even for xp soon, so it literally lay around
for years. A few years ago, I installed ubuntu on it - perfect! Well, not
completely, but a new life for a very handy small computer.

> I suppose that's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater but
> then again, it's a fairly hideous baby.

Sometimes (rarely) it is allowed to come out - microsoft has the copyright
on ntfs and the tools to fix problems with that file system fast.
But I don't allow windows to phone home - no lan when it's on!

Bye, Sanne.

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 2:32:40 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Tuesday, June 27, 2017 at 9:49:07 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> >> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:54:29 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsi10yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 8:05:36 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> >> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:6493986e-01a7-4f6d-9dd4-
> >> >> I simply said that most of the posters here find the modern world
> >> >> scary.
> >> >> Either you agree with that or you don't. This isn't about you or me.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nothing scary about it, just don't need a lot of it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheri
> >> >
> >> >A lot depends on your age. The millennials and later generations don't
> >> >quite see it that way. These guys aren't hooked on Windows - they use
> >> >iOS and Android for their computers.
> >>
> >> If I don't use Windows I'm unemployed, but I can live without iOS and
> >> Android.
> >
> > It doesn't matter what you or I use. For the first time since the 80's,
> > more people are using cell phone based OSes than Windows. Things are
> > going
> > as we have planned...
>
> I have noticed that. I hate doing stuff on my cell phone. I got the Taco
> Time (local chain) app so I could get discounts and free food. But then I
> discovered that I have to pay using my phone. I'm not going to do that,
> especially since when I do get their food. I almost always use the drive
> through. I have seen people hand over their phones and Starbucks. Nope.
> Not
> taking the chance of someone dropping my phone. Plus I prefer paying with
> cash. Cash is simple. I can see it in my wallet. I can see how much I
> have.
> And I can see when I need to stop spending. I know that cash is going the
> way of the wind but... I'm a die hard.

I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal. "Can
people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so. I told
her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna pull the
lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less, most POS
payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart phone pronto.


==

We have contactless pay at supermarket checkouts. You have to wave your
debit/credit card at the terminal. I do have that facility on my cards but
I prefer not to use it. I put my card in as usual and punch in my PIN. I
have no knowledge of using my phone.





--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"dsi1" > wrote in message news:d564cce2-57e5-46c4-bbad-

I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal. "Can
people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so. I told
her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna pull the
lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less, most POS
payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart phone pronto.


=====

NE-VAH!

Cheri
==

A-MEN!


--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 6/28/2017 8:32 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>

> I have noticed that. I hate doing stuff on my cell phone. I got the Taco
> Time (local chain) app so I could get discounts and free food. But then I
> discovered that I have to pay using my phone. I'm not going to do that,
> especially since when I do get their food. I almost always use the drive
> through. I have seen people hand over their phones and Starbucks. Nope.
> Not taking the chance of someone dropping my phone. Plus I prefer paying
> with cash. Cash is simple. I can see it in my wallet. I can see how much I
> have. And I can see when I need to stop spending. I know that cash is
> going the way of the wind but... I'm a die hard.

I don't get it either. Anything under $100 I prefer to pay cash.I see
people buying a coffee and using plastic. Given all the data breeches in
the past few years, I just don't want to expose myself if I don't have to.

At a couple of rest stops on Rt95 they had vending machines that
accepted payment by phone. While it may be handy, you paid a premium of
25 or 50 cents. Why make banks rich? I'd rather put the money to use
for me, not them.

==

I very rarely use cash, I use my debit card. I wouldn't know how to use my
phone for payment. I am not saying it doesn't happen though.



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

In article >,
dsi1 > wrote:

> Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My guess is
> that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to use it with a endlessly
> buggy graphical interface that needed constant fixin'.

I used fvwm2 on Linux. Gnu and KDE were vying for the next great
desktop manager. They were both terrible at the time on my Mac. I ended
it all with Linux kernel 2.4, just before kernel 2.6 was ready for
primetime. Who won the Linux desktop wars? I'm serious. I have no idea.
When Mac OSX came out, I got UNIX with a great desktop manager,
embraced it and never looked back. Who won?
Somebody has to know. Steve? dsi1?

leo

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 10:29:55 PM UTC-10, Leonard Blaisdell wrote:
> In article >,
> dsi1 <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My guess is
> > that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to use it with a endlessly
> > buggy graphical interface that needed constant fixin'.
>
> I used fvwm2 on Linux. Gnu and KDE were vying for the next great
> desktop manager. They were both terrible at the time on my Mac. I ended
> it all with Linux kernel 2.4, just before kernel 2.6 was ready for
> primetime. Who won the Linux desktop wars? I'm serious. I have no idea.
> When Mac OSX came out, I got UNIX with a great desktop manager,
> embraced it and never looked back. Who won?
> Somebody has to know. Steve? dsi1?
>
> leo

My assumption is that Ubuntu is the most popular flavor of Linux on desktop machines. The most used OS on the planet has Linux at it's core - Android. OTOH, Google wants to change that.

http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/84535.html

On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 8:33:09 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 8:24:02 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsiyahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 5:40:01 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 9:28:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > >> > On 6/28/2017 6:48 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > >>> At home we use Winblows.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> You're all complaining about it and putting it down but... you're
> > >> > >> using it!
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Weaklings!
> > >> > >
> > >> > > You caught me. I can't stand up for myself. (Heh.)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > My husband uses CAD software that isn't available anywhere
> > >> > > but Windows. At home, I surf the web and play solitaire, so I barely
> > >> > > care what OS we use. Doesn't mean I don't recognize Windows as a POS.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > At work, I have to use what the company wants me to use, which is
> > >> > > a mix of Windows and a handful of Unixes (Unices?)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Most of us use Windows for the same reason. It does everything I need
> > >> > and was already on the computer when I bought it. Are other OS better?
> > >> > Don't know, I never used them and never had an incentive to try others. .
> > >> >
> > >> > Why do you think it is a POS? Compared to other systems?
> > >>
> > >> It's fine for civilians. It's really painful for a programmer
> > >> who is used to the power and simplicity of Unix. It's a resource
> > >> hog on the hardware; relatively speaking it takes an eternity to
> > >> run anything.
> > >>
> > >> I'm not alone:
> > >>
> > >> <https://www.marksanborn.net/software/10-reasons-why-i-hate-microsoft-windows/>
> > >> <http://www.zdnet.com/article/so-why-do-people-hate-windows/>
> > >> <http://www.pcworld.com/article/134819/article.html>
> > >>
> > >> It's telling that PCworld magazine hates Microsoft.
> > >>
> > >> Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> > >Everybody should hate Windows and Microsoft. What's not to hate? My guess is that you wouldn't care much for Unix if you were forced to use it with a endlessly buggy graphical interface that needed constant fixin'.
> >
> > For a user, the OS doesn't really matter. If you're computer literate,
> > as I believe you are, you can make Windows work for you without a
> > problem. Or Unix or Linux or Apple's OS or mobile stuff etc.
>
> I know how to handle Windows and hardware problems. These days I'm a casual Windows user so I don't have much of anything to do with the OS. I am a believer that you have to reload Windows every 30 months or so to keep it running snappy.

You can believe what you like. My work PCs are running Windows 7 (more
than 30 months) and XP (about 14 years) without an OS reload. My
home PC is running Windows 7 since 2009 without an OS reload. All of
them "run snappy".

Cindy Hamilton

In article >,
says...
>
> I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal.
"Can people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so.
I told her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna
pull the lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less,
most POS payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart
phone pronto.
>

I find that most businesses know very well the power of the grey
pound and as a result are willing to do *whatever it takes* to attract
and retain our very valuable custom.

Including, not requiring us to actually visit their store.

Janet UK.

In article >, says...
>
> On 6/28/2017 9:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal. "Can people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so. I told her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna pull the lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less, most POS payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart phone pronto.
> >
>
> There are at least three or four programs that allow you to do that.
> Another thing I've noticed, a lot of stores no longer require you to
> sign when you make a purchase. Twice I paid $300+ and no sig reqired.

America is nearly catching up with the 1980's. Soon you'll have cards
that never require a signature...

Janet UK

In article >,
says...

> Well, it looks like I'm posting too much so I'm expecting a message from Google
telling me that I've exceeded my quota any minute now -

Yeah, dsil, you're SO at the cutting edge of internet technology.

Janet UK


>

On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 13:00:59 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >, says...
>>
>> On 6/28/2017 9:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal. "Can people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so. I told her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna pull the lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less, most POS payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart phone pronto.
>> >
>>
>> There are at least three or four programs that allow you to do that.
>> Another thing I've noticed, a lot of stores no longer require you to
>> sign when you make a purchase. Twice I paid $300+ and no sig reqired.
>
> America is nearly catching up with the 1980's. Soon you'll have cards
>that never require a signature...

Who is ?

On 6/28/2017 11:58 PM, Sqwertz wrote:

>
> ObFood: After watching Master Chef tonight I had to make some late
> night scrambled eggs. The French style wet and creamy kind, served on
> a toasted English muffin with Romano cheese.
>
> -sw
>

They did look good. I'm going to try it that way tomorrow. I've never
seen it done that way

On 6/29/2017 4:22 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> ==
>
> I very rarely use cash, I use my debit card. I wouldn't know how to use my
> phone for payment. I am not saying it doesn't happen though.
>
>
>

Your phone may already have the program, Samsung Pay, Android Pay or
similar. You associate a credit card with it. Your phone has to be on
but the program does not have to be open. You just wave the phone over
the sensor and it is done.

To activate the program your phone also must have security to open it,
like a pin or fingerprint sensor.

With a lot of little purchases on the debit card it adds a lot of time
to reconcile the statement at the end of the month. I just find cash
easier.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 6/29/2017 4:22 AM, Ophelia wrote:

> ==
>
> I very rarely use cash, I use my debit card. I wouldn't know how to use
> my
> phone for payment. I am not saying it doesn't happen though.
>
>
>

Your phone may already have the program, Samsung Pay, Android Pay or
similar. You associate a credit card with it. Your phone has to be on
but the program does not have to be open. You just wave the phone over
the sensor and it is done.

To activate the program your phone also must have security to open it,
like a pin or fingerprint sensor.

With a lot of little purchases on the debit card it adds a lot of time
to reconcile the statement at the end of the month. I just find cash
easier.

===

Thanks for that. I never really make a lot of small purchases but if I did,
I expect I would use cash too.

I am not interested is using my phone for that though, the same as I don't
use the wireless option on my card. I prefer to use my PIN.

What do you mean by 'Samsung pay? Do you mean I could pay with my Samsung
phone if I wanted to?

--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 6/28/2017 11:06 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 4:52:35 PM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 6/28/2017 9:16 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I was at Walgreens yesterday and commented on the contactless terminal. "Can people make payments using their phones?" She said she thought so. I told her it's kind a scary thing to do. One of these days, I'm gonna pull the lever and use my phone. My guess is that in 5 years or less, most POS payments will be made this way. Yoose guys better get a smart phone pronto.
>>>
>>
>> There are at least three or four programs that allow you to do that.
>> Another thing I've noticed, a lot of stores no longer require you to
>> sign when you make a purchase. Twice I paid $300+ and no sig reqired.
>
> I'd like to be able to make a payment using a smart watch.
>

I like new technology and no offense but those apple smart watches seem
like such a waste of money. As long as we consumers buy "new toys" the
companies will keep making them. Then 6 months later they offer an
upgrade just to snitch more money out of your bank account. heheh