On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:40:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>I am sure they do
>
>Some people complain that others don't take rescue animals, others go
>overboard and take too many.
>
>I am sure I have recounted this before, but my latest rescue was found in a
>regular house with 42 dogs and 2 cats The woman had died and they were
>all starving.
>
>I would love to take more than one, but this dog is terrified of all other
>dogs, which is understandable. Anyway I couldn't manage more than 2.
>
>At the rescue centre they had put her in with one of the other dogs from the
>house and it bullied her dreadfully. So that is what she grew up with.

I've said it before but I think it's great to look after an animal
with a past like that. Ours are from a shelter, but they were kittens.
No traumatic life yet.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 19:50:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 23:00:12 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jul 2017 21:13:40 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > I bet I come home to 1/2 bottle of rum, a few cans of pepsi, and
>>>>>>>> > him
>>>>>>>> > asking me if there's more watermelon pickles!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sympathize with him. I hope he does well, no fun for sure. When
>>>>>>>> dh
>>>>>>>> had his wisdon teeth pulled, lots of milkshakes, and like your Don,
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> few good belts of whiskey instead of rum though, refused pain
>>>>>>>> pills.
>>>>>>>> As far as lifestyles go, I really could not be more happy when
>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>> are happy with their choices when it comes to loving someone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He's feeling a little better but I got him more Pepsi on the way home
>>>>>>>(he has plenty of rum).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe he should just stick with the rum. Pepsi's not keto at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Diet Pepsi never bothered me at all with low carb, but then I don't
>>>>>drink
>>>>>many sodas.
>>>>
>>>> Me neither, I drink bubbly water instead.
>>>>
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> Same here)
>>>
>>> I drink plain ice water all day long.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>> ==
>>>
>>> I've been meaning to ask you ... you said you drink iced water with
>>> mint?
>>>
>>> Do you use fresh mint? How much to you use? Do you chop it?
>>
>>I have Rubbermaid Chug bottles. I just throw some mint leaves in there,
>>then
>>some ice, then more mint. I suppose I could bruise the leaves for more
>>flavor but I just give it a shake and that seems to be enough. Then I fill
>>with water.
>>
>>I also drink tea, seltzer, G2, diet soda and various other kinds of water.
>
> If soda = soda water = bubbly water, then what do they leave out to
> make it diet soda?
>
> Or soda = pop = soft drink?

Diet soda is a soft drink. Such as Diet Coke. They use an artificial
sweetener instead of sugar or HFCS. I generally drink Diet Coke with Lime
but also some of the fruit flavored ones. Not a fan of Mountain Dew so much.
Some Ginger Ale is good, but some is too bitey for me. Don't like Root Beer,
Cream Soda, Dr. Pepper or Pepsi.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:40:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>I am sure they do
>
>Some people complain that others don't take rescue animals, others go
>overboard and take too many.
>
>I am sure I have recounted this before, but my latest rescue was found in a
>regular house with 42 dogs and 2 cats The woman had died and they were
>all starving.
>
>I would love to take more than one, but this dog is terrified of all other
>dogs, which is understandable. Anyway I couldn't manage more than 2.
>
>At the rescue centre they had put her in with one of the other dogs from
>the
>house and it bullied her dreadfully. So that is what she grew up with.

I've said it before but I think it's great to look after an animal
with a past like that. Ours are from a shelter, but they were kittens.
No traumatic life yet.

==

Count your blessings) She wasn't easy to manage but with a lot of love
and patience, she loves us to bits now. She won't go to anyone else,
although she has stopped trying to attack people.

And remember, had you not taken then in, they might have had a traumatic
life.


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On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 01:41:05 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 19:50:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>I also drink tea, seltzer, G2, diet soda and various other kinds of water.
>>
>> If soda = soda water = bubbly water, then what do they leave out to
>> make it diet soda?
>>
>> Or soda = pop = soft drink?
>
>Diet soda is a soft drink. Such as Diet Coke. They use an artificial
>sweetener instead of sugar or HFCS. I generally drink Diet Coke with Lime
>but also some of the fruit flavored ones. Not a fan of Mountain Dew so much.
>Some Ginger Ale is good, but some is too bitey for me. Don't like Root Beer,
>Cream Soda, Dr. Pepper or Pepsi.

All that stuff sounds like industrial science projects to me. But each
to their own, of course.

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 10:00:51 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:40:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>I am sure they do
>>
>>Some people complain that others don't take rescue animals, others go
>>overboard and take too many.
>>
>>I am sure I have recounted this before, but my latest rescue was found in a
>>regular house with 42 dogs and 2 cats The woman had died and they were
>>all starving.
>>
>>I would love to take more than one, but this dog is terrified of all other
>>dogs, which is understandable. Anyway I couldn't manage more than 2.
>>
>>At the rescue centre they had put her in with one of the other dogs from
>>the
>>house and it bullied her dreadfully. So that is what she grew up with.
>
>I've said it before but I think it's great to look after an animal
>with a past like that. Ours are from a shelter, but they were kittens.
>No traumatic life yet.
>
>==
>
>Count your blessings) She wasn't easy to manage but with a lot of love
>and patience, she loves us to bits now. She won't go to anyone else,
>although she has stopped trying to attack people.
>
>And remember, had you not taken then in, they might have had a traumatic
>life.

Yes, getting kittens or puppies from a shelter is still better than
going to a breeder, if you ask me. Breeders shouldn't exist while
there are still lots of shelter animals looking for a home.

On 7/9/2017 3:55 AM, Bruce wrote:
> I've said it before but I think it's great to look after an animal
> with a past like that. Ours are from a shelter, but they were kittens.
> No traumatic life yet.

One the other hand, my 3rd ferret, Jackie, came from a pet store. She
was so tiny (about the size of a hampster), that I knew she was a bit
too young to be shopped out. So anyway, she was taken from her mother
and siblings very young, then kept all alone in a cage at the pet store.

That must have been a bit traumatic for her. I consider her as a rescue
in a way too. We bonded immediately and I took her home to be a mate
with Fred and she took to him immediately too.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

>I've said it before but I think it's great to look after an animal
>with a past like that. Ours are from a shelter, but they were kittens.
>No traumatic life yet.
>
>==
>
>Count your blessings) She wasn't easy to manage but with a lot of love
>and patience, she loves us to bits now. She won't go to anyone else,
>although she has stopped trying to attack people.
>
>And remember, had you not taken then in, they might have had a traumatic
>life.

Yes, getting kittens or puppies from a shelter is still better than
going to a breeder, if you ask me. Breeders shouldn't exist while
there are still lots of shelter animals looking for a home.

===

Absolutely!! I just can't get my head around that.

I don't get puppies, they are easily rehomed. I tend to get older dogs.

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On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 07:37:43 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 7/9/2017 3:55 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> I've said it before but I think it's great to look after an animal
>> with a past like that. Ours are from a shelter, but they were kittens.
>> No traumatic life yet.
>
>One the other hand, my 3rd ferret, Jackie, came from a pet store. She
>was so tiny (about the size of a hampster), that I knew she was a bit
>too young to be shopped out. So anyway, she was taken from her mother
>and siblings very young, then kept all alone in a cage at the pet store.
>
>That must have been a bit traumatic for her. I consider her as a rescue
>in a way too. We bonded immediately and I took her home to be a mate
>with Fred and she took to him immediately too.

Yes, that sounds like an emergency too.

On 7/8/2017 10:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> I'd love to get another dog, but it would not be fair to the dog to
> bring one into the house right now. My grandson though, took in two
> dogs that would have been abandoned but he cannot afford to take proper
> care with vet and food. So, I have two "foster dogs" that come to
> visit. They get plenty of love and attention.

I'm sure they get plenty of love and attention, Ed. It's easy enough to
say "just adopt" but pets are expensive.

In the case of my cat Persia, she kept getting bladder infections.
Turned out she had a (thankfully benign) tumor. I paid for the surgery
and the biopsy. After that she had to eat prescription food. That's
not cheap. Later she was diagnosed as hyperthyroid. Turned out she was
allergic to the medication. So, radioactive isotope therapy. More
money, and a trip to a special clinic near Charleston, where she had to
be boarded and isolated for two weeks. She was literally radioactive. LOL

It's a wonderful thing to want to adopt a pet. But there's a lot more
to it than a few cans or bags of food.

Jill

On 7/8/2017 9:10 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:25:45 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:03:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Snipping the truth gets you no kudos.
>>>> >
>>>> > Sheldon, Gary will adopt more pets when he is ready, not because you
>>>> > have some sick idea that for every day he waits, more are dying and
>>>> > felt you needed to toss that at him.
>>>>
>>>> Who knows how many ferrets die every day because Sheldon keeps a
>>>> colony of non neutered feral cats alive.
>>>

Misinformation, Bruce! Sheldon has his ferals spayed/neutered. He pays
to do it. He also provides food and water for them. He even ran
electricity to the barn where they sleep so they can have heat in the
winter. They have comfy beds and fresh water. He doesn't have a
problem with rats or mice, that's for sure.

Jill

>>> I doubt they are killing ferrets and Sheldon apparently has as many
>>> neutered as he can, but the point is people adopt pets when they are
>>> ready.
>>
>> In my perception, there are multiple points to this story.
>
>
> And multiple drinks involved.
>
> Cheri

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:27:19 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/8/2017 9:10 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:25:45 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:03:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Snipping the truth gets you no kudos.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sheldon, Gary will adopt more pets when he is ready, not because you
>>>>> > have some sick idea that for every day he waits, more are dying and
>>>>> > felt you needed to toss that at him.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who knows how many ferrets die every day because Sheldon keeps a
>>>>> colony of non neutered feral cats alive.
>>>>
>
>Misinformation, Bruce! Sheldon has his ferals spayed/neutered. He pays
>to do it.

I'd like to see him catch a feral cat though

>He also provides food and water for them. He even ran
>electricity to the barn where they sleep so they can have heat in the
>winter. They have comfy beds and fresh water. He doesn't have a
>problem with rats or mice, that's for sure.

I think that if he gets them neutered, he's doing a great job looking
after them and reducing the problem at the same time. But I really
have my doubts about catching feral cats.

"jmcquown" wrote in message news
On 7/8/2017 10:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> I'd love to get another dog, but it would not be fair to the dog to
> bring one into the house right now. My grandson though, took in two
> dogs that would have been abandoned but he cannot afford to take proper
> care with vet and food. So, I have two "foster dogs" that come to
> visit. They get plenty of love and attention.

I'm sure they get plenty of love and attention, Ed. It's easy enough to
say "just adopt" but pets are expensive.

In the case of my cat Persia, she kept getting bladder infections.
Turned out she had a (thankfully benign) tumor. I paid for the surgery
and the biopsy. After that she had to eat prescription food. That's
not cheap. Later she was diagnosed as hyperthyroid. Turned out she was
allergic to the medication. So, radioactive isotope therapy. More
money, and a trip to a special clinic near Charleston, where she had to
be boarded and isolated for two weeks. She was literally radioactive. LOL

It's a wonderful thing to want to adopt a pet. But there's a lot more
to it than a few cans or bags of food.

Jill

==

We always have Pet Insurance with ours. Our last dog was ill when we got
her and she got worse and worse. In the end our vet directed us to the
Vet's Hospital in Glasgow where they tried to help her but she died. That
would have cost us a few thousand £s.



--
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jmcquown wrote:
>
>There is no reason to insist anyone adopt a pet before they are ready.

There's no good reason to insist on constantly orating about adopting
a replacement pet on a daily/hourly basis. Regardless the topic on a
public newsgroup when someone wants no comments then they need to STFU
about it... so long as Gary harps on the subject then he is inviting
comments... and of all types... I have just as much right to voice my
opinion here as anyone else. Please excuse the critter
comment/analogy but Gary is literally beating a dead horse. And after
about a year of posting a torrent of crocodile tears Gary has offered
not one good reason for not replacing his pet... after a year "NOT
BEING READY" is not any kind of reason... makes as much sense as a 40
year old woman not being ready to lose her virginity.

On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 22:18:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/8/2017 9:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/7/2017 10:36 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Methinks Gary is extremely confused... no pet replaces those lost...
>>>> they are all additions to ones life. They all need forever homes...
>>>
>>> Everyone here knows you are just trying to get a rise out of Gary, good
>>> luck with that and I'm snipping the hateful part. heh
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Agreed. I never really wanted to adopt another pet after my dog Sampson
>> died. He lived with me for 18 years.
>>
>> Then a cat (Persia) barged right in and set up housekeeping. 16 years
>> later she died. She moved here with me. I really did not want another
>> pet. Until I found out Buffy's owner died and she needed a home. So,
>> here she is. She's so sweet.
>>
>> Still, there is no reason to insist anyone adopt a pet before they are
>> ready.
>>
>> Jill
>
>I'd love to get another dog, but it would not be fair to the dog to
>bring one into the house right now. My grandson though, took in two
>dogs that would have been abandoned but he cannot afford to take proper
>care with vet and food. So, I have two "foster dogs" that come to
>visit. They get plenty of love and attention.

The difference is that you don't constantly talk about it.

On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 15:24:19 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 19:50:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>>
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 23:00:12 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
om...
>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jul 2017 21:13:40 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > I bet I come home to 1/2 bottle of rum, a few cans of pepsi, and
>>>>>>>> > him
>>>>>>>> > asking me if there's more watermelon pickles!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sympathize with him. I hope he does well, no fun for sure. When dh
>>>>>>>> had his wisdon teeth pulled, lots of milkshakes, and like your Don, a
>>>>>>>> few good belts of whiskey instead of rum though, refused pain pills.
>>>>>>>> As far as lifestyles go, I really could not be more happy when others
>>>>>>>> are happy with their choices when it comes to loving someone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He's feeling a little better but I got him more Pepsi on the way home
>>>>>>>(he has plenty of rum).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe he should just stick with the rum. Pepsi's not keto at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Diet Pepsi never bothered me at all with low carb, but then I don't drink
>>>>>many sodas.
>>>>
>>>> Me neither, I drink bubbly water instead.
>>>>
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> Same here)
>>>
>>> I drink plain ice water all day long.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>> ==
>>>
>>> I've been meaning to ask you ... you said you drink iced water with mint?
>>>
>>> Do you use fresh mint? How much to you use? Do you chop it?
>>
>>I have Rubbermaid Chug bottles. I just throw some mint leaves in there, then
>>some ice, then more mint. I suppose I could bruise the leaves for more
>>flavor but I just give it a shake and that seems to be enough. Then I fill
>>with water.
>>
>>I also drink tea, seltzer, G2, diet soda and various other kinds of water.
>
>If soda = soda water = bubbly water, then what do they leave out to
>make it diet soda?

Obviously they omit the sugar and replace it with an artificial
sweetener... zero calories = diet soda.

On 2017-07-09, jmcquown > wrote:

> It's a wonderful thing to want to adopt a pet. But there's a lot more
> to it than a few cans or bags of food.

Testify!

As I took care of my mom's dog (on her dime) and the dog became older,
I ended up paying $2.50+ per can of prescription dog food. The trips to the vet
--for one reason or another-- became more and more espensive. Her dog
was finally put down at the ripe old age of 17 yrs old.

I wanted to get my own dog, but realized I could not care for it like I
would have liked. This after my brother (still in CA) told me about
his dog. We were talking on the phone when he sed he'd hafta go, as
his dog was not feeling well. I talked to him the following night and
learned he now owed the vet $1,500USD. (shudder)

nb

On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 22:33:56 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:27:19 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 7/8/2017 9:10 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:25:45 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:03:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> Snipping the truth gets you no kudos.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Sheldon, Gary will adopt more pets when he is ready, not because you
>>>>>> > have some sick idea that for every day he waits, more are dying and
>>>>>> > felt you needed to toss that at him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who knows how many ferrets die every day because Sheldon keeps a
>>>>>> colony of non neutered feral cats alive.
>>>>>
>>
>>Misinformation, Bruce! Sheldon has his ferals spayed/neutered. He pays
>>to do it.
>
>I'd like to see him catch a feral cat though
>
>>He also provides food and water for them. He even ran
>>electricity to the barn where they sleep so they can have heat in the
>>winter. They have comfy beds and fresh water. He doesn't have a
>>problem with rats or mice, that's for sure.
>
>I think that if he gets them neutered, he's doing a great job looking
>after them and reducing the problem at the same time. But I really
>have my doubts about catching feral cats.

You're not very bright... or all that booze is dulling your brain.
I catch feral cats the same way I catch feral possums, etal.
This works better than Have-A-Heart:
http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...2254_200622254

And I'm not the only one in this farming community who cares for feral
cats... cats don't eat crops but they keep the rodent population way
down... if not for feral barn cats it would cost twice as much to keep
a horse fed... if not for feral cats dairy would cost a whole lot
more. I made a small opening in my vegetable garden fence so the
ferals can get in to patrol, no more rodents eating my crops. The
feral cats more than earn their keep.

On 7/9/2017 5:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
> Yes, getting kittens or puppies from a shelter is still better than
> going to a breeder, if you ask me. Breeders shouldn't exist while
> there are still lots of shelter animals looking for a home.

If breeders didn't exist, there would be no shelter animals available.

"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
9.44...

On Sun 09 Jul 2017 06:09:16a, Ophelia told us...

> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >
> On 7/8/2017 10:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> I'd love to get another dog, but it would not be fair to the dog
>> to bring one into the house right now. My grandson though, took
>> in two dogs that would have been abandoned but he cannot afford
>> to take proper care with vet and food. So, I have two "foster
>> dogs" that come to visit. They get plenty of love and attention.
>
> I'm sure they get plenty of love and attention, Ed. It's easy
> enough to say "just adopt" but pets are expensive.
>
> In the case of my cat Persia, she kept getting bladder infections.
> Turned out she had a (thankfully benign) tumor. I paid for the
> surgery and the biopsy. After that she had to eat prescription
> food. That's not cheap. Later she was diagnosed as hyperthyroid.
> Turned out she was allergic to the medication. So, radioactive
> isotope therapy. More money, and a trip to a special clinic near
> Charleston, where she had to be boarded and isolated for two
> weeks. She was literally radioactive. LOL
>
> It's a wonderful thing to want to adopt a pet. But there's a lot
> more to it than a few cans or bags of food.
>
> Jill
>
> ==
>
> We always have Pet Insurance with ours. Our last dog was ill when
> we got her and she got worse and worse. In the end our vet
> directed us to the Vet's Hospital in Glasgow where they tried to
> help her but she died. That would have cost us a few thousand £s.

I don't know what pet insurance is like in the UK, but the insurance
plans I've investigate here are not worth much except for annual
checkups, vaccinations, and other minor procedures. The premiums for
4 cats is also expensive. When Peanut was having serious digestive
issues and eye problems, we spents thousands on him and the insurance
we could have had would not havae covered the cost of what the vets
did.


Wayne Boatwright
==


Perhaps I didn't make it clear, our Insurers paid the money to the Vet's
Hospital!

I was making the point that it would have cost US that much had we not had
been insured.

OK just checked, Our insurers paid the Vet's Hospital over £2,000.00 for
Bonnie.

We mainly have it in case they get serious problems like Bonnie did!

We have an excess of £25 after which the Insurance pays the rest.

That doesn't sound like your insurance is worth a lot


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On 7/9/2017 8:33 AM, Bruce wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:

>> He also provides food and water for them. He even ran
>> electricity to the barn where they sleep so they can have heat in the
>> winter. They have comfy beds and fresh water. He doesn't have a
>> problem with rats or mice, that's for sure.
>
> I think that if he gets them neutered, he's doing a great job looking
> after them and reducing the problem at the same time. But I really
> have my doubts about catching feral cats.

Sheldon has made the classic mistake of totally domesticating wildlife.
When he dies eventually, so will all the ferals that are used to his care.

On 7/9/2017 9:09 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> We always have Pet Insurance with ours. Our last dog was ill when we
> got her and she got worse and worse. In the end our vet directed us to
> the Vet's Hospital in Glasgow where they tried to help her but she
> died. That would have cost us a few thousand £s.

No pet insurance here but I did spend a small fortune on Mia at the end.
Nothing to fix though, I was told....just natural old age taking it's toll.

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 7/7/2017 10:36 PM, Cheri wrote:
> > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> > > Methinks Gary is extremely confused... no pet replaces those
> > > lost... they are all additions to ones life. They all need
> > > forever homes...
> >
> > Everyone here knows you are just trying to get a rise out of Gary,
> > good luck with that and I'm snipping the hateful part. heh
> >
> > Cheri
>
> Agreed. I never really wanted to adopt another pet after my dog
> Sampson died. He lived with me for 18 years.
>
> Then a cat (Persia) barged right in and set up housekeeping. 16
> years later she died. She moved here with me. I really did not want
> another pet. Until I found out Buffy's owner died and she needed a
> home. So, here she is. She's so sweet.
>
> Still, there is no reason to insist anyone adopt a pet before they
> are ready.
>
> Jill

Agreed Jill. I did adopt Iowna fast after Aunti Mabel passed of
natural causes, but that was because Cash (my other dog) got very
depressed with no other beagle about. Daisy-chan tried to help but he
wanted a fellow doggie here. Iowna just had her 15th birthday on 2
July ;-)

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> I would love to take more than one, but this dog is terrified of all other
> dogs, which is understandable. Anyway I couldn't manage more than 2.
>
> At the rescue centre they had put her in with one of the other dogs from
> the house and it bullied her dreadfully. So that is what she grew up with.

Same with Annie, something had torn most of her top muzzle quite deeply, and
she was extremely emaciated. She doesn't like other dogs at all and even
when we went to pick her up from Animal Friends Connection, she was hanging
back from the other dogs, not joining in with greeting us, but as soon as
she was away from them, she was quite active and very friendly.

Cheri

Ophelia wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> I'd love to get another dog, but it would not be fair to the dog to
> bring one into the house right now. My grandson though, took in two
> dogs that would have been abandoned but he cannot afford to take
> proper care with vet and food. So, I have two "foster dogs" that
> come to visit. They get plenty of love and attention.
>
> ==
>
> I am sure they do
>
> Some people complain that others don't take rescue animals, others go
> overboard and take too many.
>
> I am sure I have recounted this before, but my latest rescue was
> found in a regular house with 42 dogs and 2 cats The woman had
> died and they were all starving.
>
> I would love to take more than one, but this dog is terrified of all
> other dogs, which is understandable. Anyway I couldn't manage more
> than 2.
>
> At the rescue centre they had put her in with one of the other dogs
> from the house and it bullied her dreadfully. So that is what she
> grew up with.

I totally agree Ophelia. I see some go crazy adopting more than they
can afford the vet care for and whine that they are too tender hearted
to turn down another.

Sane people caluculate the finances and limit to what they can afford.
For me, that is 3 pets total for 75$ a month pet plan (25$ each) and
anticipated extra bills of 600$ each per year (most years it isnt that
much). That and food of course. Food runs about 180$ a month. Thats a
base load of 255$ a month here plus an extra tucked away 150$ a month
for unanticipated vet bills.

If it helps to understand, My husband and I specifically adopt the
'unadoptable' elderly medical issue pets. That means we *expect* higher
medical bills. When Iowna came down with Vestibular Disease (often
called old dog syndrome, can be many things including brain cancer but
can be easily recovered from if other causes and treated right away),
it cost 850$ in IV's and emergency pet treatments plus medications and
an overnight pet hospitalization.

I don't know the finances other others here (nor should I) but pressing
someone to adopt when they aren't ready, just isn't right. For all we
know, Gary is still paying off bills for Mia and not really able to
assume more cost (Financial or in the heart).

BTW, I can't take a second cat while Daisy-chan lives. She's a true
rescue feral and will not tolerate another cat. One of the more
charming parts of her mile long rap-sheet was 'cat-killer'. She's
tamed pretty well now over the last 10 years but she's never been or
will be a lap-kitty (except when you are sound asleep and it's warmer
on your tummy).



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"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> I would love to take more than one, but this dog is terrified of all other
> dogs, which is understandable. Anyway I couldn't manage more than 2.
>
> At the rescue centre they had put her in with one of the other dogs from
> the house and it bullied her dreadfully. So that is what she grew up with.

Same with Annie, something had torn most of her top muzzle quite deeply, and
she was extremely emaciated. She doesn't like other dogs at all and even
when we went to pick her up from Animal Friends Connection, she was hanging
back from the other dogs, not joining in with greeting us, but as soon as
she was away from them, she was quite active and very friendly.

Cheri

==

They are desperate for love and kindness. It is so distressing to see them
like that but at least we can give them a good and happy life. Isn't the
difference in them is wonderful?

Poppy was skin and bone too with hardly any hair on her back. She doesn't
look like the same dog. The vet says I should put her on a diet ... no
chance) She is not huge and I will take care, but she deserves every
little treat she can get)) She is still terrified of almost everything,
but she soon comes for a cuddle and feels better )))

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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I would love to take more than one, but this dog is terrified of all
>> other dogs, which is understandable. Anyway I couldn't manage more than
>> 2.
>>
>> At the rescue centre they had put her in with one of the other dogs from
>> the house and it bullied her dreadfully. So that is what she grew up
>> with.
>
> Same with Annie, something had torn most of her top muzzle quite deeply,
> and
> she was extremely emaciated. She doesn't like other dogs at all and even
> when we went to pick her up from Animal Friends Connection, she was
> hanging
> back from the other dogs, not joining in with greeting us, but as soon as
> she was away from them, she was quite active and very friendly.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> They are desperate for love and kindness. It is so distressing to see
> them like that but at least we can give them a good and happy life. Isn't
> the difference in them is wonderful?
>
> Poppy was skin and bone too with hardly any hair on her back. She doesn't
> look like the same dog. The vet says I should put her on a diet ... no
> chance) She is not huge and I will take care, but she deserves every
> little treat she can get)) She is still terrified of almost everything,
> but she soon comes for a cuddle and feels better )))

Yes, mine too, she weighs about 21 pounds which is a bit on the heavy side
for a rat terrier, but she's doing just fine and loves her small treats. She
is still terrified of quick noises, like dropping something in the kitchen,
the sound of foil crinkling etc., but doesn't mind fireworks or thunder at
all. Also goes completely berserk over a fly buzzing or flying bug, but I
think that's probably because they drove her crazy when her muzzle was torn
like that.

Cheri

"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
9.45...

On Sun 09 Jul 2017 09:11:16a, Ophelia told us...

> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
> 9.44...
>
> On Sun 09 Jul 2017 06:09:16a, Ophelia told us...
>
>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>
>> On 7/8/2017 10:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> I'd love to get another dog, but it would not be fair to the dog
>>> to bring one into the house right now. My grandson though, took
>>> in two dogs that would have been abandoned but he cannot afford
>>> to take proper care with vet and food. So, I have two "foster
>>> dogs" that come to visit. They get plenty of love and
>>> attention.
>>
>> I'm sure they get plenty of love and attention, Ed. It's easy
>> enough to say "just adopt" but pets are expensive.
>>
>> In the case of my cat Persia, she kept getting bladder
>> infections. Turned out she had a (thankfully benign) tumor. I
>> paid for the surgery and the biopsy. After that she had to eat
>> prescription food. That's not cheap. Later she was diagnosed as
>> hyperthyroid.
>> Turned out she was allergic to the medication. So, radioactive
>> isotope therapy. More money, and a trip to a special clinic near
>> Charleston, where she had to be boarded and isolated for two
>> weeks. She was literally radioactive. LOL
>>
>> It's a wonderful thing to want to adopt a pet. But there's a lot
>> more to it than a few cans or bags of food.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> ==
>>
>> We always have Pet Insurance with ours. Our last dog was ill
>> when we got her and she got worse and worse. In the end our vet
>> directed us to the Vet's Hospital in Glasgow where they tried to
>> help her but she died. That would have cost us a few thousand
>> £s.
>
> I don't know what pet insurance is like in the UK, but the
> insurance plans I've investigate here are not worth much except
> for annual checkups, vaccinations, and other minor procedures.
> The premiums for 4 cats is also expensive. When Peanut was having
> serious digestive issues and eye problems, we spents thousands on
> him and the insurance we could have had would not havae covered
> the cost of what the vets did.
>
>
> Wayne Boatwright
> ==
>
>
> Perhaps I didn't make it clear, our Insurers paid the money to the
> Vet's Hospital!
>
> I was making the point that it would have cost US that much had we
> not had been insured.
>
> OK just checked, Our insurers paid the Vet's Hospital over
> £2,000.00 for Bonnie.
>
> We mainly have it in case they get serious problems like Bonnie
> did!
>
> We have an excess of £25 after which the Insurance pays the rest.
>
> That doesn't sound like your insurance is worth a lot
>
>

You made it very clear. We had insurance on all 5 cats some years
ago. Initially we took all 5 for an annual exam and any vacinatons
they needed. For there was a copay of $50 per cat. About a year
later we took Millie (now deceased) to determine what was causing her
kidney problems. Xrays revealed that she had kidney stones, and also
that her kidneys were beginning to fail. She had surgery to remove
the kidney stones and total bill was $1800, with no discount. She
later began treatment for her kidneys and each monthly visit visit
was $125 plus the solution that we had to inject once a day. As soon
as our contract expired we did not renew it. Pet insurance in the US
is a complete ripoff.

Wayne Boatwright

===

Why didn't the insurance pay that bill?? It has always been worth it for
us.

As it happens, Poppy hasn't needed much vet care but we like the back up.

We certainly got more than our money's worth with Bonnie.

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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45...
> On Sun 09 Jul 2017 09:11:16a, Ophelia told us...
>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
>> 9.44...
>>
>> On Sun 09 Jul 2017 06:09:16a, Ophelia told us...
>>
>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>
>>> On 7/8/2017 10:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> I'd love to get another dog, but it would not be fair to the dog
>>>> to bring one into the house right now. My grandson though, took
>>>> in two dogs that would have been abandoned but he cannot afford
>>>> to take proper care with vet and food. So, I have two "foster
>>>> dogs" that come to visit. They get plenty of love and
>>>> attention.
>>>
>>> I'm sure they get plenty of love and attention, Ed. It's easy
>>> enough to say "just adopt" but pets are expensive.
>>>
>>> In the case of my cat Persia, she kept getting bladder
>>> infections. Turned out she had a (thankfully benign) tumor. I
>>> paid for the surgery and the biopsy. After that she had to eat
>>> prescription food. That's not cheap. Later she was diagnosed as
>>> hyperthyroid.
>>> Turned out she was allergic to the medication. So, radioactive
>>> isotope therapy. More money, and a trip to a special clinic near
>>> Charleston, where she had to be boarded and isolated for two
>>> weeks. She was literally radioactive. LOL
>>>
>>> It's a wonderful thing to want to adopt a pet. But there's a lot
>>> more to it than a few cans or bags of food.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> We always have Pet Insurance with ours. Our last dog was ill
>>> when we got her and she got worse and worse. In the end our vet
>>> directed us to the Vet's Hospital in Glasgow where they tried to
>>> help her but she died. That would have cost us a few thousand
>>> £s.
>>
>> I don't know what pet insurance is like in the UK, but the
>> insurance plans I've investigate here are not worth much except
>> for annual checkups, vaccinations, and other minor procedures.
>> The premiums for 4 cats is also expensive. When Peanut was having
>> serious digestive issues and eye problems, we spents thousands on
>> him and the insurance we could have had would not havae covered
>> the cost of what the vets did.
>>
>>
>> Wayne Boatwright
>> ==
>>
>>
>> Perhaps I didn't make it clear, our Insurers paid the money to the
>> Vet's Hospital!
>>
>> I was making the point that it would have cost US that much had we
>> not had been insured.
>>
>> OK just checked, Our insurers paid the Vet's Hospital over
>> £2,000.00 for Bonnie.
>>
>> We mainly have it in case they get serious problems like Bonnie
>> did!
>>
>> We have an excess of £25 after which the Insurance pays the rest.
>>
>> That doesn't sound like your insurance is worth a lot
>>
>>
>
> You made it very clear. We had insurance on all 5 cats some years
> ago. Initially we took all 5 for an annual exam and any vacinatons
> they needed. For there was a copay of $50 per cat. About a year
> later we took Millie (now deceased) to determine what was causing her
> kidney problems. Xrays revealed that she had kidney stones, and also
> that her kidneys were beginning to fail. She had surgery to remove
> the kidney stones and total bill was $1800, with no discount. She
> later began treatment for her kidneys and each monthly visit visit
> was $125 plus the solution that we had to inject once a day. As soon
> as our contract expired we did not renew it. Pet insurance in the US
> is a complete ripoff.

We ran into the same thing with our last dog Sophie, the insurance was
around $35.00 per month and didn't really cover anything that she needed,
never bought it again after the first year.

Cheri

Wayne Boatwright wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun 09 Jul 2017 08:19:41a, notbob told us...
>
> > On 2017-07-09, jmcquown > wrote:
> >
> >> It's a wonderful thing to want to adopt a pet. But there's a lot
> >> more to it than a few cans or bags of food.
> >
> > Testify!
> >
> > As I took care of my mom's dog (on her dime) and the dog became
> > older, I ended up paying $2.50+ per can of prescription dog food.
> > The trips to the vet --for one reason or another-- became more and
> > more espensive. Her dog was finally put down at the ripe old age
> > of 17 yrs old.
> >
> > I wanted to get my own dog, but realized I could not care for it
> > like I would have liked. This after my brother (still in CA) told
> > me about his dog. We were talking on the phone when he sed he'd
> > hafta go, as his dog was not feeling well. I talked to him the
> > following night and learned he now owed the vet $1,500USD.
> > (shudder)
> >
> > nb
> >
>
> That's not unusual for the US.

Actually, yes it is. The pet insurance market here is almost useless.

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"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I would love to take more than one, but this dog is terrified of all
>> other dogs, which is understandable. Anyway I couldn't manage more than
>> 2.
>>
>> At the rescue centre they had put her in with one of the other dogs from
>> the house and it bullied her dreadfully. So that is what she grew up
>> with.
>
> Same with Annie, something had torn most of her top muzzle quite deeply,
> and
> she was extremely emaciated. She doesn't like other dogs at all and even
> when we went to pick her up from Animal Friends Connection, she was
> hanging
> back from the other dogs, not joining in with greeting us, but as soon as
> she was away from them, she was quite active and very friendly.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> They are desperate for love and kindness. It is so distressing to see
> them like that but at least we can give them a good and happy life. Isn't
> the difference in them is wonderful?
>
> Poppy was skin and bone too with hardly any hair on her back. She doesn't
> look like the same dog. The vet says I should put her on a diet ... no
> chance) She is not huge and I will take care, but she deserves every
> little treat she can get)) She is still terrified of almost everything,
> but she soon comes for a cuddle and feels better )))

Yes, mine too, she weighs about 21 pounds which is a bit on the heavy side
for a rat terrier, but she's doing just fine and loves her small treats. She
is still terrified of quick noises, like dropping something in the kitchen,
the sound of foil crinkling etc., but doesn't mind fireworks or thunder at
all. Also goes completely berserk over a fly buzzing or flying bug, but I
think that's probably because they drove her crazy when her muzzle was torn
like that.

Cheri

===

Oh dear. Yes, she will remember the problems with that muzzle Poor wee
soul

Poppy is terrified of any noises she isn't used to and she shakes with the
fire works or any very loud bangs.




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On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 11:16:33 -0400, wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 15:24:19 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 19:50:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 23:00:12 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news:nfl0mc1hoe4muglq3odggff88r4n93f69s@4ax. com...
>>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jul 2017 21:13:40 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> > I bet I come home to 1/2 bottle of rum, a few cans of pepsi, and
>>>>>>>>> > him
>>>>>>>>> > asking me if there's more watermelon pickles!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I sympathize with him. I hope he does well, no fun for sure. When dh
>>>>>>>>> had his wisdon teeth pulled, lots of milkshakes, and like your Don, a
>>>>>>>>> few good belts of whiskey instead of rum though, refused pain pills.
>>>>>>>>> As far as lifestyles go, I really could not be more happy when others
>>>>>>>>> are happy with their choices when it comes to loving someone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>He's feeling a little better but I got him more Pepsi on the way home
>>>>>>>>(he has plenty of rum).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe he should just stick with the rum. Pepsi's not keto at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Diet Pepsi never bothered me at all with low carb, but then I don't drink
>>>>>>many sodas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Me neither, I drink bubbly water instead.
>>>>>
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>> Same here)
>>>>
>>>> I drink plain ice water all day long.
>>>>
>>>> Cheri
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> I've been meaning to ask you ... you said you drink iced water with mint?
>>>>
>>>> Do you use fresh mint? How much to you use? Do you chop it?
>>>
>>>I have Rubbermaid Chug bottles. I just throw some mint leaves in there, then
>>>some ice, then more mint. I suppose I could bruise the leaves for more
>>>flavor but I just give it a shake and that seems to be enough. Then I fill
>>>with water.
>>>
>>>I also drink tea, seltzer, G2, diet soda and various other kinds of water.
>>
>>If soda = soda water = bubbly water, then what do they leave out to
>>make it diet soda?
>
>Obviously they omit the sugar and replace it with an artificial
>sweetener... zero calories = diet soda.

I thought soda water was bubbly water, but if it's a soft drink, then
yes.

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45...
> On Sun 09 Jul 2017 09:11:16a, Ophelia told us...
>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
>> 9.44...
>>
>> On Sun 09 Jul 2017 06:09:16a, Ophelia told us...
>>
>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>
>>> On 7/8/2017 10:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> I'd love to get another dog, but it would not be fair to the dog
>>>> to bring one into the house right now. My grandson though, took
>>>> in two dogs that would have been abandoned but he cannot afford
>>>> to take proper care with vet and food. So, I have two "foster
>>>> dogs" that come to visit. They get plenty of love and
>>>> attention.
>>>
>>> I'm sure they get plenty of love and attention, Ed. It's easy
>>> enough to say "just adopt" but pets are expensive.
>>>
>>> In the case of my cat Persia, she kept getting bladder
>>> infections. Turned out she had a (thankfully benign) tumor. I
>>> paid for the surgery and the biopsy. After that she had to eat
>>> prescription food. That's not cheap. Later she was diagnosed as
>>> hyperthyroid.
>>> Turned out she was allergic to the medication. So, radioactive
>>> isotope therapy. More money, and a trip to a special clinic near
>>> Charleston, where she had to be boarded and isolated for two
>>> weeks. She was literally radioactive. LOL
>>>
>>> It's a wonderful thing to want to adopt a pet. But there's a lot
>>> more to it than a few cans or bags of food.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> We always have Pet Insurance with ours. Our last dog was ill
>>> when we got her and she got worse and worse. In the end our vet
>>> directed us to the Vet's Hospital in Glasgow where they tried to
>>> help her but she died. That would have cost us a few thousand
>>> £s.
>>
>> I don't know what pet insurance is like in the UK, but the
>> insurance plans I've investigate here are not worth much except
>> for annual checkups, vaccinations, and other minor procedures.
>> The premiums for 4 cats is also expensive. When Peanut was having
>> serious digestive issues and eye problems, we spents thousands on
>> him and the insurance we could have had would not havae covered
>> the cost of what the vets did.
>>
>>
>> Wayne Boatwright
>> ==
>>
>>
>> Perhaps I didn't make it clear, our Insurers paid the money to the
>> Vet's Hospital!
>>
>> I was making the point that it would have cost US that much had we
>> not had been insured.
>>
>> OK just checked, Our insurers paid the Vet's Hospital over
>> £2,000.00 for Bonnie.
>>
>> We mainly have it in case they get serious problems like Bonnie
>> did!
>>
>> We have an excess of £25 after which the Insurance pays the rest.
>>
>> That doesn't sound like your insurance is worth a lot
>>
>>
>
> You made it very clear. We had insurance on all 5 cats some years
> ago. Initially we took all 5 for an annual exam and any vacinatons
> they needed. For there was a copay of $50 per cat. About a year
> later we took Millie (now deceased) to determine what was causing her
> kidney problems. Xrays revealed that she had kidney stones, and also
> that her kidneys were beginning to fail. She had surgery to remove
> the kidney stones and total bill was $1800, with no discount. She
> later began treatment for her kidneys and each monthly visit visit
> was $125 plus the solution that we had to inject once a day. As soon
> as our contract expired we did not renew it. Pet insurance in the US
> is a complete ripoff.

We ran into the same thing with our last dog Sophie, the insurance was
around $35.00 per month and didn't really cover anything that she needed,
never bought it again after the first year.

Cheri

===

That is dreadful



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On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 11:45:45 -0400, wrote:

>On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 22:33:56 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:27:19 -0400, jmcquown >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 7/8/2017 9:10 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:25:45 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:03:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Snipping the truth gets you no kudos.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Sheldon, Gary will adopt more pets when he is ready, not because you
>>>>>>> > have some sick idea that for every day he waits, more are dying and
>>>>>>> > felt you needed to toss that at him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who knows how many ferrets die every day because Sheldon keeps a
>>>>>>> colony of non neutered feral cats alive.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>Misinformation, Bruce! Sheldon has his ferals spayed/neutered. He pays
>>>to do it.
>>
>>I'd like to see him catch a feral cat though
>>
>>>He also provides food and water for them. He even ran
>>>electricity to the barn where they sleep so they can have heat in the
>>>winter. They have comfy beds and fresh water. He doesn't have a
>>>problem with rats or mice, that's for sure.
>>
>>I think that if he gets them neutered, he's doing a great job looking
>>after them and reducing the problem at the same time. But I really
>>have my doubts about catching feral cats.
>
>You're not very bright... or all that booze is dulling your brain.

Uhm...

>I catch feral cats the same way I catch feral possums, etal.
>This works better than Have-A-Heart:
>http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...2254_200622254

I have one of those. So far I've caugth bush rats, bandicoots and a
cat (not feral). I've released them again. I just wanted to know who
was eating my stuffs.

>And I'm not the only one in this farming community who cares for feral
>cats... cats don't eat crops but they keep the rodent population way
>down... if not for feral barn cats it would cost twice as much to keep
>a horse fed... if not for feral cats dairy would cost a whole lot
>more. I made a small opening in my vegetable garden fence so the
>ferals can get in to patrol, no more rodents eating my crops. The
>feral cats more than earn their keep.

But do you catch them and get them neutered? Have you ever been close
to a real feral cat? Much as I love cats, feral cats are screaming
monsters that you wouldn't touch with a stick.

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 12:00:01 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>On 7/9/2017 5:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> Yes, getting kittens or puppies from a shelter is still better than
>> going to a breeder, if you ask me. Breeders shouldn't exist while
>> there are still lots of shelter animals looking for a home.
>
>If breeders didn't exist, there would be no shelter animals available.

Why not? Plenty of people let their pets get pregnant but don't want
the offspring.

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 11:45:45 -0400, wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 22:33:56 +1000, Bruce >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:27:19 -0400, jmcquown
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 7/8/2017 9:10 PM, Cheri wrote:
> >>>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> >>>> ...
> >>>>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:25:45 -0500, "cshenk" >
> wrote:
> > > > > >
> >>>>>> Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > > > > >
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Jul 2017 17:03:32 -0500, "cshenk"
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> >>>>>>> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> >> Snipping the truth gets you no kudos.
> >>>>>>> >
> >>>>>>> > Sheldon, Gary will adopt more pets when he is ready, not
> because you >>>>>>> > have some sick idea that for every day he
> waits, more are dying and >>>>>>> > felt you needed to toss that at
> him.
> > > > > > > >
> >>>>>>> Who knows how many ferrets die every day because Sheldon
> keeps a >>>>>>> colony of non neutered feral cats alive.
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Misinformation, Bruce! Sheldon has his ferals spayed/neutered.
> > > > He pays to do it.
> > >
> > > I'd like to see him catch a feral cat though
> > >
> > > > He also provides food and water for them. He even ran
> > > > electricity to the barn where they sleep so they can have heat
> > > > in the winter. They have comfy beds and fresh water. He
> > > > doesn't have a problem with rats or mice, that's for sure.
> > >
> > > I think that if he gets them neutered, he's doing a great job
> > > looking after them and reducing the problem at the same time. But
> > > I really have my doubts about catching feral cats.
> >
> > You're not very bright... or all that booze is dulling your brain.
>
> Uhm...
>
> > I catch feral cats the same way I catch feral possums, etal.
> > This works better than Have-A-Heart:
> > http://www.northerntool.com/shop/too...2254_200622254
>
> I have one of those. So far I've caugth bush rats, bandicoots and a
> cat (not feral). I've released them again. I just wanted to know who
> was eating my stuffs.
>
> > And I'm not the only one in this farming community who cares for
> > feral cats... cats don't eat crops but they keep the rodent
> > population way down... if not for feral barn cats it would cost
> > twice as much to keep a horse fed... if not for feral cats dairy
> > would cost a whole lot more. I made a small opening in my
> > vegetable garden fence so the ferals can get in to patrol, no more
> > rodents eating my crops. The feral cats more than earn their keep.
>
> But do you catch them and get them neutered? Have you ever been close
> to a real feral cat? Much as I love cats, feral cats are screaming
> monsters that you wouldn't touch with a stick.

Takes experience and time.

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"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 11:16:33 -0400, wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 15:24:19 +1000, Bruce >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 19:50:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>>>>
>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 23:00:12 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:nfl0mc1hoe4muglq3odggff88r4n93f69s@4ax .com...
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jul 2017 21:13:40 -0500, "cshenk" >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> > I bet I come home to 1/2 bottle of rum, a few cans of pepsi,
>>>>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>>>>> > him
>>>>>>>>>> > asking me if there's more watermelon pickles!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I sympathize with him. I hope he does well, no fun for sure. When
>>>>>>>>>> dh
>>>>>>>>>> had his wisdon teeth pulled, lots of milkshakes, and like your
>>>>>>>>>> Don, a
>>>>>>>>>> few good belts of whiskey instead of rum though, refused pain
>>>>>>>>>> pills.
>>>>>>>>>> As far as lifestyles go, I really could not be more happy when
>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>> are happy with their choices when it comes to loving someone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>He's feeling a little better but I got him more Pepsi on the way
>>>>>>>>>home
>>>>>>>>>(he has plenty of rum).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe he should just stick with the rum. Pepsi's not keto at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Diet Pepsi never bothered me at all with low carb, but then I don't
>>>>>>>drink
>>>>>>>many sodas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Me neither, I drink bubbly water instead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same here)
>>>>>
>>>>> I drink plain ice water all day long.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been meaning to ask you ... you said you drink iced water with
>>>>> mint?
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you use fresh mint? How much to you use? Do you chop it?
>>>>
>>>>I have Rubbermaid Chug bottles. I just throw some mint leaves in there,
>>>>then
>>>>some ice, then more mint. I suppose I could bruise the leaves for more
>>>>flavor but I just give it a shake and that seems to be enough. Then I
>>>>fill
>>>>with water.
>>>>
>>>>I also drink tea, seltzer, G2, diet soda and various other kinds of
>>>>water.
>>>
>>>If soda = soda water = bubbly water, then what do they leave out to
>>>make it diet soda?
>>
>>Obviously they omit the sugar and replace it with an artificial
>>sweetener... zero calories = diet soda.
>
> I thought soda water was bubbly water, but if it's a soft drink, then
> yes.

That would be soda water. Some here say soda pop. Some say soda. Some say
pop. In some areas it is purported that they say tonic to mean the same
thing but I lived in that area and never heard it said. And in some parts of
the South I have heard that they say Coke to mean any kind of soda.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 10:00:51 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:40:35 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I am sure they do
>>>
>>>Some people complain that others don't take rescue animals, others go
>>>overboard and take too many.
>>>
>>>I am sure I have recounted this before, but my latest rescue was found in
>>>a
>>>regular house with 42 dogs and 2 cats The woman had died and they were
>>>all starving.
>>>
>>>I would love to take more than one, but this dog is terrified of all
>>>other
>>>dogs, which is understandable. Anyway I couldn't manage more than 2.
>>>
>>>At the rescue centre they had put her in with one of the other dogs from
>>>the
>>>house and it bullied her dreadfully. So that is what she grew up with.
>>
>>I've said it before but I think it's great to look after an animal
>>with a past like that. Ours are from a shelter, but they were kittens.
>>No traumatic life yet.
>>
>>==
>>
>>Count your blessings) She wasn't easy to manage but with a lot of love
>>and patience, she loves us to bits now. She won't go to anyone else,
>>although she has stopped trying to attack people.
>>
>>And remember, had you not taken then in, they might have had a traumatic
>>life.
>
> Yes, getting kittens or puppies from a shelter is still better than
> going to a breeder, if you ask me. Breeders shouldn't exist while
> there are still lots of shelter animals looking for a home.

Some people still prefer purebred dogs. My friend was a breeder but he
didn't have very many puppies. He only attempted if someone was interested
in getting a Wire Hair Terrier. It wound up being a job that did not pay
well. The people who wanted them lived in other states so he had to put them
on a plane.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
news
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 9.45...
>> On Sun 09 Jul 2017 09:11:16a, Ophelia told us...
>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
>>> 9.44...
>>>
>>> On Sun 09 Jul 2017 06:09:16a, Ophelia told us...
>>>
>>>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>> On 7/8/2017 10:18 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> I'd love to get another dog, but it would not be fair to the dog
>>>>> to bring one into the house right now. My grandson though, took
>>>>> in two dogs that would have been abandoned but he cannot afford
>>>>> to take proper care with vet and food. So, I have two "foster
>>>>> dogs" that come to visit. They get plenty of love and
>>>>> attention.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure they get plenty of love and attention, Ed. It's easy
>>>> enough to say "just adopt" but pets are expensive.
>>>>
>>>> In the case of my cat Persia, she kept getting bladder
>>>> infections. Turned out she had a (thankfully benign) tumor. I
>>>> paid for the surgery and the biopsy. After that she had to eat
>>>> prescription food. That's not cheap. Later she was diagnosed as
>>>> hyperthyroid.
>>>> Turned out she was allergic to the medication. So, radioactive
>>>> isotope therapy. More money, and a trip to a special clinic near
>>>> Charleston, where she had to be boarded and isolated for two
>>>> weeks. She was literally radioactive. LOL
>>>>
>>>> It's a wonderful thing to want to adopt a pet. But there's a lot
>>>> more to it than a few cans or bags of food.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> We always have Pet Insurance with ours. Our last dog was ill
>>>> when we got her and she got worse and worse. In the end our vet
>>>> directed us to the Vet's Hospital in Glasgow where they tried to
>>>> help her but she died. That would have cost us a few thousand
>>>> £s.
>>>
>>> I don't know what pet insurance is like in the UK, but the
>>> insurance plans I've investigate here are not worth much except
>>> for annual checkups, vaccinations, and other minor procedures.
>>> The premiums for 4 cats is also expensive. When Peanut was having
>>> serious digestive issues and eye problems, we spents thousands on
>>> him and the insurance we could have had would not havae covered
>>> the cost of what the vets did.
>>>
>>>
>>> Wayne Boatwright
>>> ==
>>>
>>>
>>> Perhaps I didn't make it clear, our Insurers paid the money to the
>>> Vet's Hospital!
>>>
>>> I was making the point that it would have cost US that much had we
>>> not had been insured.
>>>
>>> OK just checked, Our insurers paid the Vet's Hospital over
>>> £2,000.00 for Bonnie.
>>>
>>> We mainly have it in case they get serious problems like Bonnie
>>> did!
>>>
>>> We have an excess of £25 after which the Insurance pays the rest.
>>>
>>> That doesn't sound like your insurance is worth a lot
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You made it very clear. We had insurance on all 5 cats some years
>> ago. Initially we took all 5 for an annual exam and any vacinatons
>> they needed. For there was a copay of $50 per cat. About a year
>> later we took Millie (now deceased) to determine what was causing her
>> kidney problems. Xrays revealed that she had kidney stones, and also
>> that her kidneys were beginning to fail. She had surgery to remove
>> the kidney stones and total bill was $1800, with no discount. She
>> later began treatment for her kidneys and each monthly visit visit
>> was $125 plus the solution that we had to inject once a day. As soon
>> as our contract expired we did not renew it. Pet insurance in the US
>> is a complete ripoff.
>
> We ran into the same thing with our last dog Sophie, the insurance was
> around $35.00 per month and didn't really cover anything that she needed,
> never bought it again after the first year.

I pay almost $70 a month for each cat. I didn't have it for Jetta for awhile
but now she needs a teeth cleaning. The amount I pay covers the teeth
cleaning, normal shots, a certain number of vet visits (I think 5) per year
and fecal testing. I think that is up to 2-3 times per year. The main reason
I get it is for the teeth cleaning. Would cost more without it.

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Wayne Boatwright wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Sun 09 Jul 2017 08:19:41a, notbob told us...
>>
>> > On 2017-07-09, jmcquown > wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's a wonderful thing to want to adopt a pet. But there's a lot
>> >> more to it than a few cans or bags of food.
>> >
>> > Testify!
>> >
>> > As I took care of my mom's dog (on her dime) and the dog became
>> > older, I ended up paying $2.50+ per can of prescription dog food.
>> > The trips to the vet --for one reason or another-- became more and
>> > more espensive. Her dog was finally put down at the ripe old age
>> > of 17 yrs old.
>> >
>> > I wanted to get my own dog, but realized I could not care for it
>> > like I would have liked. This after my brother (still in CA) told
>> > me about his dog. We were talking on the phone when he sed he'd
>> > hafta go, as his dog was not feeling well. I talked to him the
>> > following night and learned he now owed the vet $1,500USD.
>> > (shudder)
>> >
>> > nb
>> >
>>
>> That's not unusual for the US.
>
> Actually, yes it is. The pet insurance market here is almost useless.

Not at my vet. Of course the insurance only applies to them. I couldn't take
them elsewhere and use it.

On Sun, 9 Jul 2017 13:26:18 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 11:16:33 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 09 Jul 2017 15:24:19 +1000, Bruce >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 8 Jul 2017 19:50:26 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>> "Cheri" wrote in message news >>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 7 Jul 2017 23:00:12 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:nfl0mc1hoe4muglq3odggff88r4n93f69s@4a x.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 07 Jul 2017 21:13:40 -0500, "cshenk" >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Cheri wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> > I bet I come home to 1/2 bottle of rum, a few cans of pepsi,
>>>>>>>>>>> > and
>>>>>>>>>>> > him
>>>>>>>>>>> > asking me if there's more watermelon pickles!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I sympathize with him. I hope he does well, no fun for sure. When
>>>>>>>>>>> dh
>>>>>>>>>>> had his wisdon teeth pulled, lots of milkshakes, and like your
>>>>>>>>>>> Don, a
>>>>>>>>>>> few good belts of whiskey instead of rum though, refused pain
>>>>>>>>>>> pills.
>>>>>>>>>>> As far as lifestyles go, I really could not be more happy when
>>>>>>>>>>> others
>>>>>>>>>>> are happy with their choices when it comes to loving someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>He's feeling a little better but I got him more Pepsi on the way
>>>>>>>>>>home
>>>>>>>>>>(he has plenty of rum).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe he should just stick with the rum. Pepsi's not keto at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Diet Pepsi never bothered me at all with low carb, but then I don't
>>>>>>>>drink
>>>>>>>>many sodas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Me neither, I drink bubbly water instead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Same here)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I drink plain ice water all day long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheri
>>>>>> ==
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been meaning to ask you ... you said you drink iced water with
>>>>>> mint?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you use fresh mint? How much to you use? Do you chop it?
>>>>>
>>>>>I have Rubbermaid Chug bottles. I just throw some mint leaves in there,
>>>>>then
>>>>>some ice, then more mint. I suppose I could bruise the leaves for more
>>>>>flavor but I just give it a shake and that seems to be enough. Then I
>>>>>fill
>>>>>with water.
>>>>>
>>>>>I also drink tea, seltzer, G2, diet soda and various other kinds of
>>>>>water.
>>>>
>>>>If soda = soda water = bubbly water, then what do they leave out to
>>>>make it diet soda?
>>>
>>>Obviously they omit the sugar and replace it with an artificial
>>>sweetener... zero calories = diet soda.
>>
>> I thought soda water was bubbly water, but if it's a soft drink, then
>> yes.
>
>That would be soda water. Some here say soda pop. Some say soda. Some say
>pop. In some areas it is purported that they say tonic to mean the same
>thing but I lived in that area and never heard it said. And in some parts of
>the South I have heard that they say Coke to mean any kind of soda.

Understood, thanks.