"jmcquown" > wrote in message
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>
> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all the
> cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank goodness
> there's good insulation.

> Jill


I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted one
of those huge trees inside.

Cheri

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:23:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 12 Jul 2017 09:49:05 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 12:01:14 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I can guarantee you, I will never be eating algae products. I don't
>>>>> eat
>>>>> tofu, never will. And there will never be a time in my life when I
>>>>> eat
>>>>> food that comes out of a 3-D printer.
>>>>
>>>>Tofu isn't so bad. It's like fresh mozzarella. White,
>>>>moist, and basically flavorless.
>>>>
>>>>It does absorb other flavors beautifully, though.
>>>
>>> That's it. Tofu's basically a test of the cook. Or of the chosen
>>> preparation.
>>
>>I like fresh mozzarella, especially with basil and tomatoes. Never had
>>tofu
>>that I liked.
>
> That only means you never had it prepared in a way that you like.

Nope. The texture just gags me. Sort of like Burrata. That's one step shy of
mozzarella. I tried it when I found it on sale. Did not care for it too
much. For me, there is more to food than just flavor. I very much dislike
the texture of some things. And no matter what kind of tofu it is, be it
silken or firm, I do not like it. Which is fine because nobody else in this
house likes it either.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
news
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> news
>>
>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank goodness
>> there's good insulation.
>
>> Jill
>
>
> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted one
> of those huge trees inside.

Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas trees
as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them. One
person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and worse
still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and take out
the next year.

I've ever lived in a house with really high ceilings but the house I grew up
in did have a problematic hanging light in the entryway. That portion of the
ceiling was too high to reach because the house was a split level and it was
above the stairs. The fixture that was there when we moved in had a hideous
fabric shade that reminded me of two umbrellas, or at least the fabric
parts. One facing like an umbrella would be when open and the other upside
down but mated up with the other. Had an opening in the middle of the bottom
and you would reach up inside to change the bulb. Funny thing was that my
dad actually used his umbrella to change it. He had a huge black umbrella
with a curved handle that looked like a big tootsie roll. He would lean way
over the railing and try to pull the fixture towards him. All the while we
worried that he'd fall over the railing. Things got even worse when he'd
have to reach in to change the bulb because he had to lean even further out.
I never could figure out why someone didn't come up with a design for a
light to where you could lower it down for easy access.

At some point, they changed that fixture because it grew very dusty. I hated
the new one. Had root beer colored glass panels with designs etched into
them and candelabra bulbs. When it was turned on, it cast weird shadows and
bursts of glaring light everywhere. I don't actually remember how those
bulbs were changed. I can't remember how he did it. Perhaps he paid someone.

Even though my kitchen ceiling isn't super high, it does angle weirdly and
the can lights are all set at an angle, save for the one above the fridge. I
do have to pay someone to change those. I can't reach them and I have no
balance on a step stool or ladder. And because of the angle that they are
at, my bulb changing tool doesn't work well. The cans just push up into the
ceiling.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
news
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> news
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> news
>>>
>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank goodness
>>> there's good insulation.
>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>> one of those huge trees inside.
>
> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas trees
> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them. One
> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and worse
> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and take
> out the next year.

I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.

Cheri

On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>news
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>>
>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank goodness
>>>> there's good insulation.
>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>
>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas trees
>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them. One
>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and worse
>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and take
>> out the next year.
>
>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.

I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
news
> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
> news
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>>
>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>>> goodness there's good insulation.
>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>
>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>> trees as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them.
>> One person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and
>> worse still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and take
>> out the next year.
>
> I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.

I never thought I would feel that way but as the years went by, the holiday
just got more and more unpleasant. I'm not a Christian anyway so that part
doesn't even factor in.

Now that my dad's gone, there is no magic left. He was always the shopper in
the family. Now it's down to a quick get together where we pass gift cards
and money back and forth. Once in a while there is some actual gift to be
opened. I feel like we just all want to get it over with and get back home.
I don't even do the surprise ball any more. Was asked not to. And no more
baking or candy making. Too many with diabetes in the family.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>news
>>>
>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>>
>>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>>>> goodness
>>>>> there's good insulation.
>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>
>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>> trees
>>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them. One
>>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and worse
>>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and take
>>> out the next year.
>>
>>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>
> I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.

I had a small white flocked one that I decorated in pastel colors and
flowers. Didn't take long to do. When that became decrepit, I had a little
wall tree. I think I might still have that somewhere. I could actually leave
that decorated. I just sealed it tightly in a bag. Got to where we had no
place to put a tree much less store one. I did get a real tree once and
regretted it. Husband did not like it and was constantly complaining about
it being a fire hazard and the needles that it dropped. That was for
Angela's first Christmas. I don't know why I bothered. She doesn't remember
it.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:05:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>>
>>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>>>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>>>>> goodness
>>>>>> there's good insulation.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>>
>>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>>> trees
>>>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them. One
>>>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and worse
>>>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and take
>>>> out the next year.
>>>
>>>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>>
>> I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.
>
>I had a small white flocked one that I decorated in pastel colors and
>flowers. Didn't take long to do. When that became decrepit, I had a little
>wall tree. I think I might still have that somewhere. I could actually leave
>that decorated. I just sealed it tightly in a bag. Got to where we had no
>place to put a tree much less store one. I did get a real tree once and
>regretted it. Husband did not like it and was constantly complaining about
>it being a fire hazard and the needles that it dropped. That was for
>Angela's first Christmas. I don't know why I bothered. She doesn't remember
>it.

I remember something about sustainable Christmas trees. You dig it out
of the garden and put it back again after Christmas. Did that ever
take root?

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:02:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Cheri" > wrote in message
>news
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> news
>>>
>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>>
>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>
>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>> trees as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them.
>>> One person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and
>>> worse still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and take
>>> out the next year.
>>
>> I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>
>I never thought I would feel that way but as the years went by, the holiday
>just got more and more unpleasant. I'm not a Christian anyway so that part
>doesn't even factor in.

I believe that the tree itself is a pagan thing.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:05:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>news >>>>>
>>>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>> news >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where
>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>>>>>> goodness
>>>>>>> there's good insulation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always
>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>>>> trees
>>>>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them.
>>>>> One
>>>>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and
>>>>> worse
>>>>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and
>>>>> take
>>>>> out the next year.
>>>>
>>>>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>>>
>>> I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.
>>
>>I had a small white flocked one that I decorated in pastel colors and
>>flowers. Didn't take long to do. When that became decrepit, I had a little
>>wall tree. I think I might still have that somewhere. I could actually
>>leave
>>that decorated. I just sealed it tightly in a bag. Got to where we had no
>>place to put a tree much less store one. I did get a real tree once and
>>regretted it. Husband did not like it and was constantly complaining about
>>it being a fire hazard and the needles that it dropped. That was for
>>Angela's first Christmas. I don't know why I bothered. She doesn't
>>remember
>>it.
>
> I remember something about sustainable Christmas trees. You dig it out
> of the garden and put it back again after Christmas. Did that ever
> take root?

We haven't had that here but you can buy a live tree and replant it. Not
sure how well that worked though because winter isn't ideal for tree
planting.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:02:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Cheri" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>>
>>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>>
>>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>>
>>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>>> trees as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without
>>>> them.
>>>> One person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and
>>>> worse still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a
>>>> little
>>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and
>>>> take
>>>> out the next year.
>>>
>>> I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>>
>>I never thought I would feel that way but as the years went by, the
>>holiday
>>just got more and more unpleasant. I'm not a Christian anyway so that part
>>doesn't even factor in.
>
> I believe that the tree itself is a pagan thing.

Yep. I didn't want to open that can of worms. I don't do religion. Just not
my thing.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:26:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:05:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>news >>>>>>
>>>>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>>>>> news >>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> news >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>>>>>>> goodness
>>>>>>>> there's good insulation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always
>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>>>>> trees
>>>>>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them.
>>>>>> One
>>>>>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and
>>>>>> worse
>>>>>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>>>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> out the next year.
>>>>>
>>>>>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.
>>>
>>>I had a small white flocked one that I decorated in pastel colors and
>>>flowers. Didn't take long to do. When that became decrepit, I had a little
>>>wall tree. I think I might still have that somewhere. I could actually
>>>leave
>>>that decorated. I just sealed it tightly in a bag. Got to where we had no
>>>place to put a tree much less store one. I did get a real tree once and
>>>regretted it. Husband did not like it and was constantly complaining about
>>>it being a fire hazard and the needles that it dropped. That was for
>>>Angela's first Christmas. I don't know why I bothered. She doesn't
>>>remember
>>>it.
>>
>> I remember something about sustainable Christmas trees. You dig it out
>> of the garden and put it back again after Christmas. Did that ever
>> take root?
>
>We haven't had that here but you can buy a live tree and replant it. Not
>sure how well that worked though because winter isn't ideal for tree
>planting.

It's probably good if they're dormant, but frozen ground would be a
show stopper.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:27:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:02:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Cheri" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>>
>>>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>>>> news >>>>>>
>>>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>>>> trees as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without
>>>>> them.
>>>>> One person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and
>>>>> worse still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a
>>>>> little
>>>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and
>>>>> take
>>>>> out the next year.
>>>>
>>>> I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>>>
>>>I never thought I would feel that way but as the years went by, the
>>>holiday
>>>just got more and more unpleasant. I'm not a Christian anyway so that part
>>>doesn't even factor in.
>>
>> I believe that the tree itself is a pagan thing.
>
>Yep. I didn't want to open that can of worms.

lol, ok.

> I don't do religion. Just not my thing.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>news
>>
>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>>
>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>>> goodness
>>>> there's good insulation.
>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>
>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>> trees
>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them. One
>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and worse
>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and take
>> out the next year.
>
>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.

I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.

==

I have a tall pretendy one It gets hauled out every Christmas and on 12th
night, get stashed away again I don't like the mess real ones make!



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On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:19:05 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> I remember something about sustainable Christmas trees. You dig it out
> of the garden and put it back again after Christmas. Did that ever
> take root?

Not here (Michigan). The ground is usually frozen solid at Christmas.
Even if you dig the hole in, say, November, and buy a ball-and-burlap
tree at Christmas, the prospects for the tree taking root aren't good.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:32:48 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>news
>>>
>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>>
>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>
>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>> trees
>>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them. One
>>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and worse
>>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and take
>>> out the next year.
>>
>>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>
>I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.
>
>==
>
>I have a tall pretendy one It gets hauled out every Christmas and on 12th
>night, get stashed away again I don't like the mess real ones make!

Maybe you can buy the smell of a real one in a spray can?

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:32:48 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>news
>>>
>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>>
>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>
>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>> trees
>>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them. One
>>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and worse
>>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and take
>>> out the next year.
>>
>>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>
>I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.
>
>==
>
>I have a tall pretendy one It gets hauled out every Christmas and on
>12th
>night, get stashed away again I don't like the mess real ones make!

Maybe you can buy the smell of a real one in a spray can?

==

Heh I don't think so))



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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:32:48 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>>
>>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>>
>>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>>
>>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>>> trees
>>>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them. One
>>>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and worse
>>>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and
>>>> take
>>>> out the next year.
>>>
>>>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>>
>>I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.
>>
>>==
>>
>>I have a tall pretendy one It gets hauled out every Christmas and on
>>12th
>>night, get stashed away again I don't like the mess real ones make!
>
> Maybe you can buy the smell of a real one in a spray can?
>
> ==
>
> Heh I don't think so))

You certainly can here.

"Julie Bove" wrote in message news

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Bruce" wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:32:48 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>news >>>>
>>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>>
>>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>>
>>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>>> trees
>>>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them. One
>>>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and worse
>>>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and
>>>> take
>>>> out the next year.
>>>
>>>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>>
>>I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.
>>
>>==
>>
>>I have a tall pretendy one It gets hauled out every Christmas and on
>>12th
>>night, get stashed away again I don't like the mess real ones make!
>
> Maybe you can buy the smell of a real one in a spray can?
>
> ==
>
> Heh I don't think so))

You certainly can here.

==

Sorry I said that wrong .. I meant I don't think I would use that stuff.



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On 7/16/2017 10:23 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> I like fresh mozzarella, especially with basil and tomatoes. Never had
> tofu that I liked.

Firm tofu is a decent substitute for meat. It's basically
flavorless...you have to add some flavor. If you didn't like it, you
didn't flavor it right.

Also mushrooms and even chic peas are a decent meat substitute...going
by mouthfeel.

On 7/16/2017 10:26 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:23:02 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> I like fresh mozzarella, especially with basil and tomatoes. Never had tofu
>> that I liked.
>
> That only means you never had it prepared in a way that you like.

So very true.

On 7/17/2017 1:47 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> news
>>
>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>> goodness there's good insulation.
>
>> Jill
>
>
> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
> one of those huge trees inside.
>
> Cheri

Living rooms usually have the high ceilings. I don't like them. Nothing
cozy about a living room with a high ceiling. In winter all the heat
goes right up to the top. (not the cool air in summer)

On 7/17/2017 1:54 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
> Nope. The texture just gags me. Sort of like Burrata. That's one step
> shy of mozzarella. I tried it when I found it on sale. Did not care for
> it too much. For me, there is more to food than just flavor. I very much
> dislike the texture of some things. And no matter what kind of tofu it
> is, be it silken or firm, I do not like it. Which is fine because nobody
> else in this house likes it either.

No offense intended but you DO seem to have a challenged family
situation there when it comes to food.

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 8:37:28 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> On 7/17/2017 1:47 AM, Cheri wrote:
> > "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> > news
> >>
> >> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
> >> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
> >> goodness there's good insulation.
> >
> >> Jill
> >
> >
> > I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
> > one of those huge trees inside.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> Living rooms usually have the high ceilings. I don't like them. Nothing
> cozy about a living room with a high ceiling. In winter all the heat
> goes right up to the top. (not the cool air in summer)

My living room has the same 8-foot ceiling as the rest of my
house. I was happy about that when I set out to scrape off
the cottage-cheese texture that some jerk had applied to it.

Cindy Hamilton

Bruce wrote:
>Julie Bove wrote:
>>Bruce wrote:
>>>Cheri wrote:
>>>>Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>Cheri wrote:
>>>>>>jmcquown wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>>>>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>>>>>> goodness
>>>>>>> there's good insulation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>>>> trees
>>>>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them. One
>>>>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and worse
>>>>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and take
>>>>> out the next year.
>>>>
>>>>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>>>
>>> I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.
>>
>>I had a small white flocked one that I decorated in pastel colors and
>>flowers. Didn't take long to do. When that became decrepit, I had a little
>>wall tree. I think I might still have that somewhere. I could actually leave
>>that decorated. I just sealed it tightly in a bag. Got to where we had no
>>place to put a tree much less store one. I did get a real tree once and
>>regretted it. Husband did not like it and was constantly complaining about
>>it being a fire hazard and the needles that it dropped. That was for
>>Angela's first Christmas. I don't know why I bothered. She doesn't remember
>>it.
>
>I remember something about sustainable Christmas trees. You dig it out
>of the garden and put it back again after Christmas. Did that ever
>take root?

After a couple of years you wo0n't be digging it out so easily.
For the past fifteen years our Christmas tree has been living
outdoors, only now it's too large to decorate without a cherry picker.
Fifteen years ago it was less than 3' tall when I planted it but now
it's well over 20' tall.
http://tinypic.com/usermedia.php?uo=...gf5Ih4l5k2TGxc
http://oi65.tinypic.com/mmzxg1.jpg
http://oi66.tinypic.com/259kbx5.jpg
Now too tall to decorate:
http://oi68.tinypic.com/15yauqu.jpg
We also had an indoor tree decorated but five years ago stopped as
there were too many needles all over the house.
http://oi68.tinypic.com/2ihqazl.jpg
Only Jilly misses her tree:
http://oi67.tinypic.com/mtwhep.jpg

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:26:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:05:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>news >>>>>>
>>>>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>>>>> news >>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> news >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>>>>>>> goodness
>>>>>>>> there's good insulation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always
>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>>>>> trees
>>>>>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them.
>>>>>> One
>>>>>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and
>>>>>> worse
>>>>>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>>>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and
>>>>>> take
>>>>>> out the next year.
>>>>>
>>>>>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.
>>>
>>>I had a small white flocked one that I decorated in pastel colors and
>>>flowers. Didn't take long to do. When that became decrepit, I had a little
>>>wall tree. I think I might still have that somewhere. I could actually
>>>leave
>>>that decorated. I just sealed it tightly in a bag. Got to where we had no
>>>place to put a tree much less store one. I did get a real tree once and
>>>regretted it. Husband did not like it and was constantly complaining about
>>>it being a fire hazard and the needles that it dropped. That was for
>>>Angela's first Christmas. I don't know why I bothered. She doesn't
>>>remember
>>>it.
>>
>> I remember something about sustainable Christmas trees. You dig it out
>> of the garden and put it back again after Christmas. Did that ever
>> take root?
>
>We haven't had that here but you can buy a live tree and replant it. Not
>sure how well that worked though because winter isn't ideal for tree
>planting.

Um, you buy the live tree well before winter.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 17:38:20 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:26:46 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 00:05:27 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
m...
>>>>> On Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:28:14 -0700, "Cheri" >
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>>>>>>news >>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> news >>>>>>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>>>>>>>> goodness
>>>>>>>>> there's good insulation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always
>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>>>>>> trees
>>>>>>> as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without them.
>>>>>>> One
>>>>>>> person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it and
>>>>>>> worse
>>>>>>> still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a little
>>>>>>> predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag and
>>>>>>> take
>>>>>>> out the next year.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't had a Christmas tree since I moved out of my parents house.
>>>>
>>>>I had a small white flocked one that I decorated in pastel colors and
>>>>flowers. Didn't take long to do. When that became decrepit, I had a little
>>>>wall tree. I think I might still have that somewhere. I could actually
>>>>leave
>>>>that decorated. I just sealed it tightly in a bag. Got to where we had no
>>>>place to put a tree much less store one. I did get a real tree once and
>>>>regretted it. Husband did not like it and was constantly complaining about
>>>>it being a fire hazard and the needles that it dropped. That was for
>>>>Angela's first Christmas. I don't know why I bothered. She doesn't
>>>>remember
>>>>it.
>>>
>>> I remember something about sustainable Christmas trees. You dig it out
>>> of the garden and put it back again after Christmas. Did that ever
>>> take root?
>>
>>We haven't had that here but you can buy a live tree and replant it. Not
>>sure how well that worked though because winter isn't ideal for tree
>>planting.
>
>It's probably good if they're dormant, but frozen ground would be a
>show stopper.

Buy and plant in the fall... only choose the spot carefully as those
evergreens grow huge.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 03:37:20 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 3:19:05 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>
>> I remember something about sustainable Christmas trees. You dig it out
>> of the garden and put it back again after Christmas. Did that ever
>> take root?
>
>Not here (Michigan). The ground is usually frozen solid at Christmas.
>Even if you dig the hole in, say, November, and buy a ball-and-burlap
>tree at Christmas, the prospects for the tree taking root aren't good.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Sheesh... buy and plant in the fall... or even the spring before
Christmas... by Christmas time most all plant nurseries are closed or
are only selling house plants.

"Julie Bove" > wrote in message
news
>
> "Cheri" > wrote in message
> news
>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
>> news
>>>
>>> "Cheri" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>>> news >>>>>
>>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>>>> goodness there's good insulation.
>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>
>>> Those are nice to look at but I wouldn't want one. I liked Christmas
>>> trees as a child. Now, not so much. I would just as soon do without
>>> them. One person here wants the tree up but nobody wants to decorate it
>>> and worse still, nobody wants to take it down. I would be fine with a
>>> little predecorated something or other that I can put in a plastic bag
>>> and take out the next year.
>>
>> I hope I never get old enough to feel that way.
>
> I never thought I would feel that way but as the years went by, the
> holiday just got more and more unpleasant. I'm not a Christian anyway so
> that part doesn't even factor in.

Well, there ya go!

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message
news
> On 7/17/2017 1:47 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>> news
>>>
>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>> goodness there's good insulation.
>>
>>> Jill
>>
>>
>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Living rooms usually have the high ceilings. I don't like them. Nothing
> cozy about a living room with a high ceiling. In winter all the heat goes
> right up to the top. (not the cool air in summer)

Mine doesn't.

Cheri

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> I have a tall pretendy one It gets hauled out every Christmas and on
> 12th night, get stashed away again I don't like the mess real ones
> make!

I have an artificial one too, but if I had really high ceilings like that I
would enjoy a real tall cut tree, at least once.

Cheri

On 7/17/2017 11:43 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I have a tall pretendy one It gets hauled out every Christmas and
>> on 12th night, get stashed away again I don't like the mess real
>> ones make!
>
> I have an artificial one too, but if I had really high ceilings like
> that I would enjoy a real tall cut tree, at least once.
>
> Cheri

I'm afraid my cat would try to climb it and knock it over. There's no
good way to anchor a tall tree like that to a wall in this room.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 7/17/2017 11:43 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>> I have a tall pretendy one It gets hauled out every Christmas and
>>> on 12th night, get stashed away again I don't like the mess real
>>> ones make!
>>
>> I have an artificial one too, but if I had really high ceilings like
>> that I would enjoy a real tall cut tree, at least once.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I'm afraid my cat would try to climb it and knock it over. There's no
> good way to anchor a tall tree like that to a wall in this room.
>
> Jill


I hear you, indoor cats are usually not good with Christmas trees. I have
some really nice ornaments, ornaments that the kids made when small, and a
longtime Hallmark collection. I would like to put them all on one huge tree,
once. I had a tree fall once that wasn't anchored and broke some of mine,
never again.

Cheri

On 7/17/2017 11:41 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Gary" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 7/17/2017 1:47 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>>
>>>> I've got a 22 ft. vaulted ceiling in the living room. Guess where all
>>>> the cool air goes? Right up and onto the electric bill. Thank
>>>> goodness there's good insulation.
>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> I would only enjoy ceilings that high at Christmas, I've always wanted
>>> one of those huge trees inside.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Living rooms usually have the high ceilings. I don't like them.
>> Nothing cozy about a living room with a high ceiling. In winter all
>> the heat goes right up to the top. (not the cool air in summer)
>
My living room is cozy enough. I use it. Buffy definitely does, as did
Persia before her. Cat furniture and cat toys.

I don't really think about the height of the ceiling. And I was teasing
about the electric bill. It's not bad.

> Mine doesn't.
>
> Cheri

Good insulation is key. My apartment in TN had a vaulted ceiling in the
living room. The utility bills *in the summer* were roughly the same
there. I don't consider an average of $150/month to be excessive.
Winter in TN was a different story. Occasional snow, more likely ice
storms. Fun stuff like that. My winter bill was a lot higher, because
the apartment wasn't as well insulated.

In SC I rarely have to turn on the heat. It's mostly warm here eight or
nine months out of the year. And for a few months in Spring and Fall I
don't have to use heat or AC. Just open the windows and run the ceiling
fans.

Jill

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> I have a tall pretendy one It gets hauled out every Christmas and on
> 12th night, get stashed away again I don't like the mess real ones
> make!

I have an artificial one too, but if I had really high ceilings like that I
would enjoy a real tall cut tree, at least once.

Cheri

==

Maybe, until the needles began to fall ... ))




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On 7/17/2017 12:20 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 7/17/2017 11:43 AM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> I have a tall pretendy one It gets hauled out every Christmas and
>>>> on 12th night, get stashed away again I don't like the mess real
>>>> ones make!
>>>
>>> I have an artificial one too, but if I had really high ceilings like
>>> that I would enjoy a real tall cut tree, at least once.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> I'm afraid my cat would try to climb it and knock it over. There's no
>> good way to anchor a tall tree like that to a wall in this room.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> I hear you, indoor cats are usually not good with Christmas trees. I
> have some really nice ornaments, ornaments that the kids made when
> small, and a longtime Hallmark collection. I would like to put them all
> on one huge tree, once. I had a tree fall once that wasn't anchored
> and broke some of mine, never again.
>
> Cheri

Buffy isn't really a climber (she's a pretty lazy cat) but I've got nice
Christmas ornaments I wouldn't want to see broken. I still have a
little terra cotta painted angel my second grade teacher made and handed
out to all her students. And lots of old glass ornaments I wouldn't
want to see broken.

Jill

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message

> I have always loved Christmas and our tree and all the decorations
> were put up a week after Thanksgiving and taken down a week after New
> Years. However, my parents always had someone bring in a fresh cut
> tree and decorate it and the house, including the outsdoors. I was
> usually at school when this was done, so it was really magical coming
> home and seeing all of that. What I did really enjoy doing was
> wrapping gifts for under the tree and putting up my train set.
>
> Having said that, I have never "enjoyed" putting up and decorating a
> tree, much less having to remove all the decorations and take the
> tree down.
>
> These days since we've had multiple cats that like to play with the
> tree and sometimes climb it, we stopped putting up a tree. We still
> put out a lot of decorations in the living room and dining room and
> stack gifts on the dining room table.
>
> I hope we never get too old to enjoy the festivities.

Yes, me too, and I am with you on the part about removing the decorations,
it is a real chore to wrap them all to avoid breakage and put them in their
boxes etc., but I do love putting them up.

Cheri

On 7/17/2017 12:38 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> These days since we've had multiple cats that like to play with the
> tree and sometimes climb it, we stopped putting up a tree. We still
> put out a lot of decorations in the living room and dining room and
> stack gifts on the dining room table.

I don't have multiple cats. But the one I have now would try to eat the
decorations. I found a silk "Christmas" flower arrangement in a closet.
Pretty! with red berries and faux holly. I set it on the table in
the living room. Next thing I knew, Buffy was trying to snack on the
silk flowers. NO NO NO!

I had to ask my SO to stop sending me fresh flowers. Buffy is attracted
to plants. The florist invariably sent types of lillies, which are
toxic to cats. Buffy doesn't seem to care if they're fresh or silk.
She wants to eat them.

Christmas aside, I don't have indoor house plants or trees, fake or
otherwise anymore.

Jill

On 7/17/2017 12:52 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> We have 9 ft. ceilings now, but most houses we've lived in have had
> 12 ft. ceilins. I like them. We've always had ceiling fans in every
> room except the bathrooms.

No ceiling fans in the bathrooms here! My bathrooms aren't that big.

> If they're reversed in the winter, it
> brings the heat down from the ceiling. If they blow down in the
> summer it augments the A/C.
>
The problem is, I can't reach the ceiling fans to flip the switch to
reverse them. I don't do ladders. Vertigo, dontcha know. I use an
extension wand to clean them. But sometimes just looking up at ceiling
fans to do clean them makes me feel dizzy. Climbing a ladder to
"reverse" the fans, nope. It's not cold here in the winter, anyway. I
sometimes get to wear a light jacket or a sweater.

Jill

On 7/17/2017 12:49 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Ophelia" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> I have a tall pretendy one It gets hauled out every Christmas and
>> on 12th night, get stashed away again I don't like the mess real
>> ones make!
>
> I have an artificial one too, but if I had really high ceilings like that I
> would enjoy a real tall cut tree, at least once.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Maybe, until the needles began to fall ... ))
>
Yes, they are very messy. That's why the tree skirts.

Jill