On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 6:54:44 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > In the winter, I preferentially buy Canadian hothouse tomatoes over whatever
> > is coming out of Mexico.
>
> How do you know where they came from? My stores always have
> veggies from somewhere but it's rare or even nonexistent to see
> the country-of-origin on a label.
>
> I suppose the *obvious* answer to my question is that your
> stores do label that info. Not here though, or very rarely.

In the winter, I generally buy pints of grape tomatoes, as they
have the most flavor. The packages are labeled with the country
of origin. A lot of the produce is anonymous, though.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2017-07-29 10:03 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 6:54:44 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:

> In the winter, I generally buy pints of grape tomatoes, as they
> have the most flavor. The packages are labeled with the country
> of origin. A lot of the produce is anonymous, though.
>


Around here, most, if not all, produce shows the country of origin. When
I by products that require little or no cooking, like snap peas or snow
peas, they cannot be from China. I just don't cook them enough to kill
the bacteria.

On 7/29/2017 10:03 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>
> In the winter, I generally buy pints of grape tomatoes, as they
> have the most flavor. The packages are labeled with the country
> of origin. A lot of the produce is anonymous, though.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Same here. Now they have a mix of tomatoes, red, yellow, purple. All
better than the big ones.

Gary > wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> In the winter, I preferentially buy Canadian hothouse tomatoes over whatever
>> is coming out of Mexico.
>
> How do you know where they came from? My stores always have
> veggies from somewhere but it's rare or even nonexistent to see
> the country-of-origin on a label.
>
> I suppose the *obvious* answer to my question is that your
> stores do label that info. Not here though, or very rarely.
>

Actually, it's a federal law that grocery stores display country of origin
information.

https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/cool

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jinx the minx

Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 2017-07-29 7:24 AM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 00:55:34 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>
>>> If you found what I had to say offensive, it wasn't meant to be. I
>>> hope you understand that.
>>
>> Yes I do - it was only Daves posts, totally along the line of 'let
>> them eat cake' that had the power to upset me - hard to imagine
>> someone is so ill informed about how the other half live
>>
>
>
> Oh bullshit. It just frustrated you that I questioned the accuracy of
> your claims. You just jumped on an anti corporate band wagon and sang
> the rhetoric of the boycott. Let them eat cake ??? I questioned the
> "all out campaign" you claimed, which you countered with a claim about
> Jamaica having breast is best posters. You complained about contaminated
> water and I questioned whether it was more of a problem when mixed with
> the formula than when the same water us used to wash the mother's breast
> and to bath the baby, and I asked for evidence that there were was an
> increase in infant mortality resulting from the use of contaminated
> formula.... which I can't find and no one else has provided. You flatly
> refused to Google information to support your questionable claims. Then
> you have the nerve to say I am ill informed. Well, I am apparently well
> enough informed to catch you in the bullshit you cannot prove.
>

A link to the start of it all:
http://www.waronwant.org/sites/defau...LER%201974.pdf


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jinx the minx

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:26:59 -0500, jinx the minx
> wrote:

>Dave Smith > wrote:
>> On 2017-07-29 7:24 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 00:55:34 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>>> > wrote:
>>
>>>> If you found what I had to say offensive, it wasn't meant to be. I
>>>> hope you understand that.
>>>
>>> Yes I do - it was only Daves posts, totally along the line of 'let
>>> them eat cake' that had the power to upset me - hard to imagine
>>> someone is so ill informed about how the other half live
>>>
>>
>>
>> Oh bullshit. It just frustrated you that I questioned the accuracy of
>> your claims. You just jumped on an anti corporate band wagon and sang
>> the rhetoric of the boycott. Let them eat cake ??? I questioned the
>> "all out campaign" you claimed, which you countered with a claim about
>> Jamaica having breast is best posters. You complained about contaminated
>> water and I questioned whether it was more of a problem when mixed with
>> the formula than when the same water us used to wash the mother's breast
>> and to bath the baby, and I asked for evidence that there were was an
>> increase in infant mortality resulting from the use of contaminated
>> formula.... which I can't find and no one else has provided. You flatly
>> refused to Google information to support your questionable claims. Then
>> you have the nerve to say I am ill informed. Well, I am apparently well
>> enough informed to catch you in the bullshit you cannot prove.
>>
>
>A link to the start of it all:
>http://www.waronwant.org/sites/defau...LER%201974.pdf

Thanks Jinx, I got as far as page 11 and there was the sadly all too
familiar sight

> wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:26:59 -0500, jinx the minx
> > wrote:
>
>> Dave Smith > wrote:
>>> On 2017-07-29 7:24 AM, wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 00:55:34 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> If you found what I had to say offensive, it wasn't meant to be. I
>>>>> hope you understand that.
>>>>
>>>> Yes I do - it was only Daves posts, totally along the line of 'let
>>>> them eat cake' that had the power to upset me - hard to imagine
>>>> someone is so ill informed about how the other half live
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh bullshit. It just frustrated you that I questioned the accuracy of
>>> your claims. You just jumped on an anti corporate band wagon and sang
>>> the rhetoric of the boycott. Let them eat cake ??? I questioned the
>>> "all out campaign" you claimed, which you countered with a claim about
>>> Jamaica having breast is best posters. You complained about contaminated
>>> water and I questioned whether it was more of a problem when mixed with
>>> the formula than when the same water us used to wash the mother's breast
>>> and to bath the baby, and I asked for evidence that there were was an
>>> increase in infant mortality resulting from the use of contaminated
>>> formula.... which I can't find and no one else has provided. You flatly
>>> refused to Google information to support your questionable claims. Then
>>> you have the nerve to say I am ill informed. Well, I am apparently well
>>> enough informed to catch you in the bullshit you cannot prove.
>>>
>>
>> A link to the start of it all:
>> http://www.waronwant.org/sites/defau...LER%201974.pdf
>
> Thanks Jinx, I got as far as page 11 and there was the sadly all too
> familiar sight
>

Lots of good "links" to real information if one reads all the way to the
end. Most likely not google-able since this was the 70's, after all, when
research was printed in journals found at the library, not online. The
supporting data does exist.

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jinx the minx

On 2017-07-29 1:26 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>> On 2017-07-29 7:24 AM, wrote:

>> formula.... which I can't find and no one else has provided. You flatly
>> refused to Google information to support your questionable claims. Then
>> you have the nerve to say I am ill informed. Well, I am apparently well
>> enough informed to catch you in the bullshit you cannot prove.
>>
>
> A link to the start of it all:
> http://www.waronwant.org/sites/defau...LER%201974.pdf
>

That talks a lot about the benefits of breast feeding and problems from
bottle feeding. The "Baby Killer" headline is eye catching, and they
follow up in the intro with a line about third world babies dying
because their mothers are feeding them western style infant milk. There
is still no information about how many actually died because of it.

jinx the minx wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> Gary > wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> In the winter, I preferentially buy Canadian hothouse tomatoes
> over whatever >> is coming out of Mexico.
> >
> > How do you know where they came from? My stores always have
> > veggies from somewhere but it's rare or even nonexistent to see
> > the country-of-origin on a label.
> >
> > I suppose the obvious answer to my question is that your
> > stores do label that info. Not here though, or very rarely.
> >
>
> Actually, it's a federal law that grocery stores display country of
> origin information.
>
> https://www.ams.usda.gov/rules-regulations/cool

Might want to read that link, as a bunch of it is exceptions like Beef
and Pork now.

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On 2017-07-29 3:16 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:26:59 -0500, jinx the minx
> > wrote:

>> A link to the start of it all:
>> http://www.waronwant.org/sites/defau...LER%201974.pdf
>
> Thanks Jinx, I got as far as page 11 and there was the sadly all too
> familiar sight

Oh yes... the pictures that appear to support the dramatic headlines,
but there was no statistical data about the number of deaths resulting
from the use of formula. The headline was about the killer formula, but
the article does not support it.

Dave Smith > wrote:
> On 2017-07-29 1:26 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>> Dave Smith > wrote:
>>> On 2017-07-29 7:24 AM, wrote:
>
>>> formula.... which I can't find and no one else has provided. You flatly
>>> refused to Google information to support your questionable claims. Then
>>> you have the nerve to say I am ill informed. Well, I am apparently well
>>> enough informed to catch you in the bullshit you cannot prove.
>>>
>>
>> A link to the start of it all:
>> http://www.waronwant.org/sites/defau...LER%201974.pdf
>>
>
> That talks a lot about the benefits of breast feeding and problems from
> bottle feeding. The "Baby Killer" headline is eye catching, and they
> follow up in the intro with a line about third world babies dying
> because their mothers are feeding them western style infant milk. There
> is still no information about how many actually died because of it.
>
>
>

Why don't you research the resources used for that article? Regardless,
this is the article that incited the whole boycott Nestle thing.
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jinx the minx

On 2017-07-29 6:57 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote:
>> On 2017-07-29 1:26 PM, jinx the minx wrote:
>>> Dave Smith > wrote:
>>>> On 2017-07-29 7:24 AM, wrote:
>>
>>>> formula.... which I can't find and no one else has provided. You flatly
>>>> refused to Google information to support your questionable claims. Then
>>>> you have the nerve to say I am ill informed. Well, I am apparently well
>>>> enough informed to catch you in the bullshit you cannot prove.
>>>>
>>>
>>> A link to the start of it all:
>>> http://www.waronwant.org/sites/defau...LER%201974.pdf
>>>
>>
>> That talks a lot about the benefits of breast feeding and problems from
>> bottle feeding. The "Baby Killer" headline is eye catching, and they
>> follow up in the intro with a line about third world babies dying
>> because their mothers are feeding them western style infant milk. There
>> is still no information about how many actually died because of it.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Why don't you research the resources used for that article? Regardless,
> this is the article that incited the whole boycott Nestle thing.
>


I had a look at the references and there was nothing there whose title
suggested it would have that statistical information. The article may
have inspired the boycott, but it seems to have attracted supporters who
are easily directed by emotion. All they had to do was to have that Baby
Killer headline and follow it up with one line about babies dying. I am
sorry, but when you start off with a headline you need to back it up.

On 2017-07-29, jinx the minx > wrote:

> Regardless, this is the article that incited the whole boycott
> Nestle thing.

Not necessarily. I was boycotting Nestlé long before I even knew of a
baby formula scandal. Am I surprised? Hardly! What they've done
with plain ol' water is an even bigger scandal.

We have a Nestlé bottled water pumping station a mere 4 miles from
where I live. The pumping depletes its own finite aquifer, trucking
tanker truck loads of water 100 miles to Colo Sprngs fer bottling, while we,
ourselves, drink water from the Arkansas River, which the pumping
station is jes yards from same said river.

Why does this pumping station exist? Cuz Nestlé payed the land owners
MEGA $$$$, of course. Complicity is the handmaiden of greed. 8|

nb

On 7/30/2017 10:27 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-07-29, jinx the minx > wrote:
>
>> Regardless, this is the article that incited the whole boycott
>> Nestle thing.
>
> Not necessarily. I was boycotting Nestlé long before I even knew of a
> baby formula scandal. Am I surprised? Hardly! What they've done
> with plain ol' water is an even bigger scandal.
>
> We have a Nestlé bottled water pumping station a mere 4 miles from
> where I live. The pumping depletes its own finite aquifer, trucking
> tanker truck loads of water 100 miles to Colo Sprngs fer bottling, while we,
> ourselves, drink water from the Arkansas River, which the pumping
> station is jes yards from same said river.
>
> Why does this pumping station exist? Cuz Nestlé payed the land owners
> MEGA $$$$, of course. Complicity is the handmaiden of greed. 8|
>
> nb
>

There are a series of problems there, not just Nestle. It was dumb to
sell the water to anyone, but just as bad are the people buying all that
water on the retail end.

Bottled water has a place in life, but it is a very small one. When we
take a vacation we often take some bottled water with us because water
availability is sometimes unknown. On short trip I take a refillable
thermal bottle with us. Probably saves a few hundred plastic bottles a
year doing that.

I know of people that buy cases of it a week for regular everyday
drinking. That is just plain wrong. The environmental impact is huge.
Trucking water 100 miles to go into plastic bottles that end up as
litter or in landfills makes no sense. Our state has a 5 cent deposit
on water bottles, but is probably should be $1 nationwide to stop the
nonsense.

On 2017-07-30 10:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/30/2017 10:27 AM, notbob wrote:

> There are a series of problems there, not just Nestle. It was dumb to
> sell the water to anyone, but just as bad are the people buying all that
> water on the retail end.

I can't fault Nestle and other bottling companies for selling something
to people that is commonly available and usually so cheap that it is
almost free. I have bought cases of bottled water for parties in order
to have something to offer guests. We have a well and cistern and we
distill our drinking water.


>
> Bottled water has a place in life, but it is a very small one. When we
> take a vacation we often take some bottled water with us because water
> availability is sometimes unknown. On short trip I take a refillable
> thermal bottle with us. Probably saves a few hundred plastic bottles a
> year doing that.

I do a lot of bicycling, hiking and kayaking and I fill reusable bottles
with my distilled water. If I stop off some place that has a tap or
water fountain I will refill them from the.




> I know of people that buy cases of it a week for regular everyday
> drinking. That is just plain wrong. The environmental impact is huge.
> Trucking water 100 miles to go into plastic bottles that end up as
> litter or in landfills makes no sense. Our state has a 5 cent deposit
> on water bottles, but is probably should be $1 nationwide to stop the
> nonsense.


I wish our province would do the same. It would certainly reduce the
amount of litter. I can't say it would eliminate it entirely because
when we were kids were made a lot of money picking up pop bottles along
the side of the. Despite bottle and can deposits and strict laws
against drinking and driving, there are still lots of beer bottles at
the side of the road.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:25:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-07-30 10:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 7/30/2017 10:27 AM, notbob wrote:
>
>> There are a series of problems there, not just Nestle. It was dumb to
>> sell the water to anyone, but just as bad are the people buying all that
>> water on the retail end.
>
>I can't fault Nestle and other bottling companies for selling something
>to people that is commonly available and usually so cheap that it is
>almost free. I have bought cases of bottled water for parties in order
>to have something to offer guests. We have a well and cistern and we
>distill our drinking water.
>
>
>>
>> Bottled water has a place in life, but it is a very small one. When we
>> take a vacation we often take some bottled water with us because water
>> availability is sometimes unknown. On short trip I take a refillable
>> thermal bottle with us. Probably saves a few hundred plastic bottles a
>> year doing that.
>
>I do a lot of bicycling, hiking and kayaking and I fill reusable bottles
>with my distilled water. If I stop off some place that has a tap or
>water fountain I will refill them from the.
>
>
>
>
>> I know of people that buy cases of it a week for regular everyday
>> drinking. That is just plain wrong. The environmental impact is huge.
>> Trucking water 100 miles to go into plastic bottles that end up as
>> litter or in landfills makes no sense. Our state has a 5 cent deposit
>> on water bottles, but is probably should be $1 nationwide to stop the
>> nonsense.
>
>
>I wish our province would do the same. It would certainly reduce the
>amount of litter. I can't say it would eliminate it entirely because
>when we were kids were made a lot of money picking up pop bottles along
>the side of the. Despite bottle and can deposits and strict laws
>against drinking and driving, there are still lots of beer bottles at
>the side of the road.

You distill your well water?!?!? That's just plain dumb. Install an
RO filter. We fill reusable 1 liter bottles that are made to be
refilled. Buying bottled water is plain dumb.
We like this one best:
https://www.amazon.com/CamelBak-Eddy...k+water+bottle

On 2017-07-30, > wrote:

> You distill your well water?!?!? That's just plain dumb.

I had well water for 4 yrs. Worst tasting water I ever had the
displeasure to ingest. Not even heavily-sugared Kool-Aid could make
it better, RO systems and bottled water were an in-the-distant-future
dream. Final solution? I moved!

Bottom-line-cheap-trick: let water sit in a pitcher and in the fridge
for 24 hrs. Works fer highly-chlorinated waters. If not, move!!

nb

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:52:59 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> I know of people that buy cases of it a week for regular everyday
> drinking. That is just plain wrong. The environmental impact is huge.
> Trucking water 100 miles to go into plastic bottles that end up as
> litter or in landfills makes no sense. Our state has a 5 cent deposit
> on water bottles, but is probably should be $1 nationwide to stop the
> nonsense.
>
>
Plus people who drink bottled water exclusively had many dental problems.

I *might* buy a six-pack of bottled water a year and that's if I go on
a day long trip and I, and others, might wants a cold drink of water.
If any bottles are left then I'll make brewed coffee when I get home to
get rid of what's leftover and taking up 'fridge space. Those empty
plastic bottles go in my recycle bin.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:20:30 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/30/2017 2:33 PM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:25:59 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-07-30 10:52 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 7/30/2017 10:27 AM, notbob wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are a series of problems there, not just Nestle. It was dumb to
>>>> sell the water to anyone, but just as bad are the people buying all that
>>>> water on the retail end.
>>>
>>> I can't fault Nestle and other bottling companies for selling something
>>> to people that is commonly available and usually so cheap that it is
>>> almost free. I have bought cases of bottled water for parties in order
>>> to have something to offer guests. We have a well and cistern and we
>>> distill our drinking water.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bottled water has a place in life, but it is a very small one. When we
>>>> take a vacation we often take some bottled water with us because water
>>>> availability is sometimes unknown. On short trip I take a refillable
>>>> thermal bottle with us. Probably saves a few hundred plastic bottles a
>>>> year doing that.
>>>
>>> I do a lot of bicycling, hiking and kayaking and I fill reusable bottles
>>> with my distilled water. If I stop off some place that has a tap or
>>> water fountain I will refill them from the.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I know of people that buy cases of it a week for regular everyday
>>>> drinking. That is just plain wrong. The environmental impact is huge.
>>>> Trucking water 100 miles to go into plastic bottles that end up as
>>>> litter or in landfills makes no sense. Our state has a 5 cent deposit
>>>> on water bottles, but is probably should be $1 nationwide to stop the
>>>> nonsense.
>>>
>>>
>>> I wish our province would do the same. It would certainly reduce the
>>> amount of litter. I can't say it would eliminate it entirely because
>>> when we were kids were made a lot of money picking up pop bottles along
>>> the side of the. Despite bottle and can deposits and strict laws
>>> against drinking and driving, there are still lots of beer bottles at
>>> the side of the road.
>>
>> You distill your well water?!?!? That's just plain dumb. Install an
>> RO filter. We fill reusable 1 liter bottles that are made to be
>> refilled. Buying bottled water is plain dumb.
>> We like this one best:
>> https://www.amazon.com/CamelBak-Eddy...k+water+bottle
>>
>
>For traveling or leaving a bottle in a hot car, we prefer this. Keeps
>water and ice all day
>
>https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Just yesterday I read an artical about a car that burst into flames on
a warm sunny day because it was left with a bottle of water on the
back seat, the bottle of water acted the same as a magnifying glass
that can be used to start a fire.