On 2017-07-26 5:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 21:27:40 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> "Bruce" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:54:16 -0400, wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:19:13 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" wrote in message news >>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ingredients
>>>>>> ... Bleached Wheat Flour ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know what kind of idiot bleaches wheat, but other than that
>>>>>> not bad.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds to me like a fancier way to describe plain old white
>>>>> flour. (?)
>>>>
>>>> You can get bleached and unbleached. Bleached came about to make it appear
>>>> to be a finer product.
>>>>
>>>> ==
>>>>
>>>> Bleaching flour is banned here.
>>>
>>> Technically all wheat flour is bleached.
>>> http://www.thekitchn.com/whats-the-d...d-flour-223858
>>
>> Let me quote the relevant sentence from that article:
>>
>> "Bleached flour is treated with chemical agents to speed up aging,
>> while unbleached flour is bleached naturally as it ages."
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Ahh you read it too <g>
>
> Yes, "Technically all wheat flour is bleached" isn't really what
> they're saying


It is what they are saying. They go on to explain that the bleaching of
some wheat is sped by by chemical means while the rest of it bleaches
with age.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:17:25 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-07-26 5:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 21:27:40 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Bruce" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:54:16 -0400, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 09:19:13 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Julie Bove" wrote in message news >>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gary" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ingredients
>>>>>>> ... Bleached Wheat Flour ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know what kind of idiot bleaches wheat, but other than that
>>>>>>> not bad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sounds to me like a fancier way to describe plain old white
>>>>>> flour. (?)
>>>>>
>>>>> You can get bleached and unbleached. Bleached came about to make it appear
>>>>> to be a finer product.
>>>>>
>>>>> ==
>>>>>
>>>>> Bleaching flour is banned here.
>>>>
>>>> Technically all wheat flour is bleached.
>>>> http://www.thekitchn.com/whats-the-d...d-flour-223858
>>>
>>> Let me quote the relevant sentence from that article:
>>>
>>> "Bleached flour is treated with chemical agents to speed up aging,
>>> while unbleached flour is bleached naturally as it ages."
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Ahh you read it too <g>
>>
>> Yes, "Technically all wheat flour is bleached" isn't really what
>> they're saying
>
>
>It is what they are saying. They go on to explain that the bleaching of
>some wheat is sped by by chemical means while the rest of it bleaches
>with age.

We can all read, Dave Smith. You may sit down.

On 2017-07-26 6:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:17:25 -0400, Dave Smith

>>> Yes, "Technically all wheat flour is bleached" isn't really what
>>> they're saying
>>
>>
>> It is what they are saying. They go on to explain that the bleaching of
>> some wheat is sped by by chemical means while the rest of it bleaches
>> with age.
>
> We can all read, Dave Smith. You may sit down.
>

I trust you are not using the Royal we.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 11:46:42 AM UTC-10, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/25/2017 6:48 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> > I understand the concept. Sounds like you had a really bad experience.
> > I really don't want to rely on the post office, UPS or FedEx to deliver
> > the ingredients for a meal. What if you had company? What do you say?
> > "I'm sure the dinner ingredients will be here soon... um, around 7, 8,
> > maybe 10 O'clock". Meanwhile, have some chips and dip.
>
> Exactly! I learned after the first delivery not to plan anything
> important on "delivery day".
>
> --
> ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
> Cheryl

What would be great is that homes come with secured delivery bays for everything that gets transported to our homes so we don't have to wait around for the deliveries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPZwnc_Lk2M

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:31:02 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-07-26 6:20 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:17:25 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>>>> Yes, "Technically all wheat flour is bleached" isn't really what
>>>> they're saying
>>>
>>>
>>> It is what they are saying. They go on to explain that the bleaching of
>>> some wheat is sped by by chemical means while the rest of it bleaches
>>> with age.
>>
>> We can all read, Dave Smith. You may sit down.
>>
>
>I trust you are not using the Royal we.

We most certainly were.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:12:41 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-07-26 3:32 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>
>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I discovered
>>> Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
>
>Years ago there was a major upset about Nestle pushing baby formula in
>poverty stricken countries and things did not work out well. The stuff
>was relatively expensive so some people thinned it out to make it go
>further. Then there was the problem with the water they were using. I
>guess that had overlooked the issue of contaminated water. I am not sure
>how much that problem could be blamed on the formula, since the kids
>would likely be exposed to contaminated water through bathing. I am sure
>that it would get onto the nursing mother's breasts.
>
That wasn't quite the problem - they decided (rather like cigarettes
today) that it would be nice to get mothers world wide automatically
shoving a bloody bottle in the babys mouth. They must have realised,
but decided that wasn't their part of the ship, that impoverished
mothers would naturally thin the milk out to make the expensive stuff
go further. They were presented with enough free formula at birth to
make sure breast milk was not around once they had to pay for formula.
It was a particularly unattractrive side of big business and how it
will happily use people for monetary gain who can't even understand
they are being taken. So I blame the whole damned situation on
corporate greed.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45...
> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>
>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
>>
>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
>>
>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I discovered
>> Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
>>
>> nb
>
> What's the issue with Nestle's?

Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:10:04 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:12:41 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>Years ago there was a major upset about Nestle pushing baby formula in
>>poverty stricken countries and things did not work out well. The stuff
>>was relatively expensive so some people thinned it out to make it go
>>further. Then there was the problem with the water they were using. I
>>guess that had overlooked the issue of contaminated water. I am not sure
>>how much that problem could be blamed on the formula, since the kids
>>would likely be exposed to contaminated water through bathing. I am sure
>>that it would get onto the nursing mother's breasts.
>>
>That wasn't quite the problem - they decided (rather like cigarettes
>today) that it would be nice to get mothers world wide automatically
>shoving a bloody bottle in the babys mouth. They must have realised,
>but decided that wasn't their part of the ship, that impoverished
>mothers would naturally thin the milk out to make the expensive stuff
>go further. They were presented with enough free formula at birth to
>make sure breast milk was not around once they had to pay for formula.
>It was a particularly unattractrive side of big business and how it
>will happily use people for monetary gain who can't even understand
>they are being taken. So I blame the whole damned situation on
>corporate greed.

The devil resides in corporations, not in pop music played backwards.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > >
> >>"cshenk" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> >>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > > >
> >>> >
> >>>>"cshenk" > wrote in message
> >>> > ...
> >>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>> > >
> >>>>> > On 7/23/2017 5:10 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> Exactly Terry, they try to tout it as cheaper than home
> cooking >>>>but >>> they jack the price way up and it's pretty
> pitiful at 8$ or >>>>more a >>> serving for a single meal. I can eat
> out for less than >>>>that at many >>> places.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > A protiesm starch, and veggie? Maybe a bowl of soup.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> Not talking about eating out there Ed.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> > Aside from fast food or a slice of pizza I don't know of any
> >>place >>> > around here where you can get a meal for $8. Some of
> the >>chains >>> > like Applebees and Chilis have a 2 for $20 deal,
> but by >>the time >>> > you add in a beverage and tip you are about
> $30+ >>>>> >
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>>>> If someone here can't make a healthy meal for 3$ per person,
> >>they >>>>> probably need to learn cooking/shopping skills. Fancy
> >>meals with >>>>> steak shouldn't run over 5$ each.
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Agree you can do a lot with $3,
> >>> > >
> >>>>> Here's some real basics. Hard NOT to find here.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> 16oz frozen veggies, birdseye, hanover hills, local store brand:
> >>>>> 5/5$ (or less), 50 cents a serving but we eat a lot of veggies
> >>> > >
> >>>>> 2lb loaf bread home made, 45cents total (18 servings or 2 cents
> >>>>> each)
> >>> > >
> >>>>> 28oz tomato canned (stewed, crushed, sauce etc) 1-1.25 each
> (sales >>>>> constant). Generally 7 servings at abut 20 cents each.
> >>> > >
> >>>>> Pasta (maybe 5cents) with 5.99lb shrimp (4oz each for 1.50
> each). >>>>> 2.25 each unless I missed something.
> >>> >
> >>> > 5 cents for pasta? I can't even make it for that. Not even with
> >>> > cheap white flour. Prices must be far cheaper where you live.
> > > >
> >>> Need to look a little harder then Julie. Barilla is on sale here
> >>> every 2 months at 5/5$ for a 1lb box (limit 10). Other store
> >>> brands are .67 for 2lbs and that's 33cents a lb. At 4oz each you
> >>> get 8cents a lb but we eat less than 1/4LB pasta each at a meal. 5
> >>> cents is about right.
> > >
> > > Nothing is that cheap here. Even if that price is right for
> > > Barilla, that would make it $1.00 per box. I never buy Barilla
> > > because it may contain eggs, which I can't have. Plus I don't
> > > like their policies. But assuming that price is true, there
> > > would have to be 20 servings in a box to make it 5 cents per
> > > person. The past that I buy usually has 4-6 servings per bag or
> > > box. Sometimes 8 servings. Cheap pasta is not something I'm
> > > interested in. I like quality pasta. I do look for good prices. I
> > > can get good stuff at Costco and Big Lots. I know I could get
> > > really cheap macaroni if I bought a huge bag or even bulk,
> > > somewhere. And I suppose I might do that sometime if I were
> > > feeding a crowd. But if I'm eating it, I want the good stuff. I
> > > grew up on cheap, overcooked pasta. Ick.
> > > >
> >>> I'll add that rice noodle in bulk runs about 3cents and would be
> >>> more common here as a 'pasta'. If it helps, the Barilla would be
> >>> about 20cents.
> > >
> > > If you want to buy a Costco sized package of Ramen or you get a
> > > good deal at Big Lots, you might come out to 5 cents per serving.
> > > But Ramen isn't what we eat.
> > >
> > > For as much as I do like a good deal, my life isn't all about
> > > cheap. But I noticed that you keep changing your prices. So no
> > > clue what those prices relate to. I had assumed per serving.
> >
> > Julie, .67 for 2lbs pasta is .33 per lb now split that 6 portions.
> > 5cents a portion.
>
> Barilla says that two oz. is a serving. Two oz. cooks up to about a
> cup. A cup is a serving for a person who doesn't have diabetes. 1/2
> is the diabetic serving. That being said, I have NEVER seen a any
> kind of pasta for 33 cents per pound. Let me check the Costco and
> Sam's prices.
>
> Costco wants $17.79 for a 2 count pkg. of 10 pounds of pasta. So
> $17.79 for 20 pounds. That's 88 cents per pound.
>
> Sam's wants $5.68 for 6 pounds. That's 94 cents per pound.
>
> Cheapest thing at Safeway is $1.00 per pound. Rice noodles are more
> expensive than any of those. So let me try Uwajimaya...
>
> At Umajimaya, Rice Vermicelli is $1.49 for 300 grams. Rice sticks are
> $1.79 per pound. Those are the cheapest prices.
>
> Pray tell where do you find ANY pasta for 33 cents a pound. Cuz it
> sure isn't here.
> >
> > Next up rice noodle is not ramen. Not even related. Among other
> > things it's made of rice. 1.57 gets you a 16pack at 10 cents each
> > and each feeds 3 normal people for a starch.
>
> I know that rice noodles are not Ramen. But Ramen is the cheapest
> noodle that I've ever seen.

Sucks to live where your prices are then.

--

"cshenk" > wrote in message
...
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>>
>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> > >
>> >>"cshenk" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> >>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> > > >
>> >>> >
>> >>>>"cshenk" > wrote in message
>> >>> > ...
>> >>>>> Ed Pawlowski wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> > On 7/23/2017 5:10 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>>>> Exactly Terry, they try to tout it as cheaper than home
>> cooking >>>>but >>> they jack the price way up and it's pretty
>> pitiful at 8$ or >>>>more a >>> serving for a single meal. I can eat
>> out for less than >>>>that at many >>> places.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > A protiesm starch, and veggie? Maybe a bowl of soup.
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> Not talking about eating out there Ed.
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> > Aside from fast food or a slice of pizza I don't know of any
>> >>place >>> > around here where you can get a meal for $8. Some of
>> the >>chains >>> > like Applebees and Chilis have a 2 for $20 deal,
>> but by >>the time >>> > you add in a beverage and tip you are about
>> $30+ >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>>>> If someone here can't make a healthy meal for 3$ per person,
>> >>they >>>>> probably need to learn cooking/shopping skills. Fancy
>> >>meals with >>>>> steak shouldn't run over 5$ each.
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Agree you can do a lot with $3,
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> Here's some real basics. Hard NOT to find here.
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> 16oz frozen veggies, birdseye, hanover hills, local store brand:
>> >>>>> 5/5$ (or less), 50 cents a serving but we eat a lot of veggies
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> 2lb loaf bread home made, 45cents total (18 servings or 2 cents
>> >>>>> each)
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> 28oz tomato canned (stewed, crushed, sauce etc) 1-1.25 each
>> (sales >>>>> constant). Generally 7 servings at abut 20 cents each.
>> >>> > >
>> >>>>> Pasta (maybe 5cents) with 5.99lb shrimp (4oz each for 1.50
>> each). >>>>> 2.25 each unless I missed something.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > 5 cents for pasta? I can't even make it for that. Not even with
>> >>> > cheap white flour. Prices must be far cheaper where you live.
>> > > >
>> >>> Need to look a little harder then Julie. Barilla is on sale here
>> >>> every 2 months at 5/5$ for a 1lb box (limit 10). Other store
>> >>> brands are .67 for 2lbs and that's 33cents a lb. At 4oz each you
>> >>> get 8cents a lb but we eat less than 1/4LB pasta each at a meal. 5
>> >>> cents is about right.
>> > >
>> > > Nothing is that cheap here. Even if that price is right for
>> > > Barilla, that would make it $1.00 per box. I never buy Barilla
>> > > because it may contain eggs, which I can't have. Plus I don't
>> > > like their policies. But assuming that price is true, there
>> > > would have to be 20 servings in a box to make it 5 cents per
>> > > person. The past that I buy usually has 4-6 servings per bag or
>> > > box. Sometimes 8 servings. Cheap pasta is not something I'm
>> > > interested in. I like quality pasta. I do look for good prices. I
>> > > can get good stuff at Costco and Big Lots. I know I could get
>> > > really cheap macaroni if I bought a huge bag or even bulk,
>> > > somewhere. And I suppose I might do that sometime if I were
>> > > feeding a crowd. But if I'm eating it, I want the good stuff. I
>> > > grew up on cheap, overcooked pasta. Ick.
>> > > >
>> >>> I'll add that rice noodle in bulk runs about 3cents and would be
>> >>> more common here as a 'pasta'. If it helps, the Barilla would be
>> >>> about 20cents.
>> > >
>> > > If you want to buy a Costco sized package of Ramen or you get a
>> > > good deal at Big Lots, you might come out to 5 cents per serving.
>> > > But Ramen isn't what we eat.
>> > >
>> > > For as much as I do like a good deal, my life isn't all about
>> > > cheap. But I noticed that you keep changing your prices. So no
>> > > clue what those prices relate to. I had assumed per serving.
>> >
>> > Julie, .67 for 2lbs pasta is .33 per lb now split that 6 portions.
>> > 5cents a portion.
>>
>> Barilla says that two oz. is a serving. Two oz. cooks up to about a
>> cup. A cup is a serving for a person who doesn't have diabetes. 1/2
>> is the diabetic serving. That being said, I have NEVER seen a any
>> kind of pasta for 33 cents per pound. Let me check the Costco and
>> Sam's prices.
>>
>> Costco wants $17.79 for a 2 count pkg. of 10 pounds of pasta. So
>> $17.79 for 20 pounds. That's 88 cents per pound.
>>
>> Sam's wants $5.68 for 6 pounds. That's 94 cents per pound.
>>
>> Cheapest thing at Safeway is $1.00 per pound. Rice noodles are more
>> expensive than any of those. So let me try Uwajimaya...
>>
>> At Umajimaya, Rice Vermicelli is $1.49 for 300 grams. Rice sticks are
>> $1.79 per pound. Those are the cheapest prices.
>>
>> Pray tell where do you find ANY pasta for 33 cents a pound. Cuz it
>> sure isn't here.
>> >
>> > Next up rice noodle is not ramen. Not even related. Among other
>> > things it's made of rice. 1.57 gets you a 16pack at 10 cents each
>> > and each feeds 3 normal people for a starch.
>>
>> I know that rice noodles are not Ramen. But Ramen is the cheapest
>> noodle that I've ever seen.
>
> Sucks to live where your prices are then.

I don't think our prices are atypical.

On 7/26/2017 7:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 9.45...
>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>>
>>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
>>>
>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I discovered
>>> Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
>>>
>>> nb
>>
>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
>
> Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.

No, the tainting comes from the water they used to make it. Pure water
was not always available in some third world areas.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 21:59:41 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/26/2017 7:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 9.45...
>>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>>>
>>>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
>>>>
>>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I discovered
>>>> Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
>>
>> Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.
>
>No, the tainting comes from the water they used to make it. Pure water
>was not always available in some third world areas.

I remember something about Nestlé selling sub-par baby formula -that
wasn't allowed to be sold in western countries- in 3rd world
countries.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 02:30:50 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>Then, as far as I can see, it can hardly be said that Nestle is the
>only corporation guilty of this behavior. I also can't see how
>Mestle can be blamed for those consumers using contaminated water.
>Most contaminated water can be purified by boiling. If the formula
>itself had been contaminated, then that's a whole other story.
>
>Many products that have been or are still on the market are
>resposible for the death or maiming of people.
>
>One category, pharmaceutical companies, have pushed numerous drugs to
>market with deadly or near deadly effects on an unknowing public.
>There are too many other examples to name.
>
>How many babies either died or were born with horrible deformities as
>a result their mothers using thalidomide.
>
>I have no problem with buying Nestle products.

Congratulations, this is one of the dumbest posts of the year in rfc.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/26/2017 7:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>> 9.45...
>>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>>>
>>>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
>>>>
>>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I discovered
>>>> Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>
>>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
>>
>> Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.
>
> No, the tainting comes from the water they used to make it. Pure water was
> not always available in some third world areas.

That's true but I thought at some point there was melamine in it too. Yep.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45...
> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 06:59:41p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>
>> On 7/26/2017 7:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 9.45...
>>>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I
>>>>> discovered Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
>>>
>>> Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.
>>
>> No, the tainting comes from the water they used to make it. Pure
>> water was not always available in some third world areas.
>>
>
> But not that tainted water be boiled to be made potable?

They may not have had the means to boil it.

On 7/26/2017 10:47 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 06:59:41p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>
>> On 7/26/2017 7:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>> 9.45...
>>>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I
>>>>> discovered Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
>>>
>>> Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.
>>
>> No, the tainting comes from the water they used to make it. Pure
>> water was not always available in some third world areas.
>>
>
> But not that tainted water be boiled to be made potable?
>
Apparently they forgot to read that pamphlet.

Jill

> wrote in message
...

> Julie and John threads are about all that's entertaining lately... I
> LMAO at their inane blatherings... it's becoming increasingly rare to
> find intelligent on topic posts.

Oh the irony!

Cheri

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 01:01:03 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 7/26/2017 10:47 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 06:59:41p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>>
>>> On 7/26/2017 7:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>> 9.45...
>>>>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I
>>>>>> discovered Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nb
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
>>>>
>>>> Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.
>>>
>>> No, the tainting comes from the water they used to make it. Pure
>>> water was not always available in some third world areas.
>>>
>>
>> But not that tainted water be boiled to be made potable?
>>
>Apparently they forgot to read that pamphlet.
>
>Jill

In many parts of the world fuel is as difficult to find as is clean
water. At one time my daughter, when in the Peace Corps., was
teaching local women in West Africa how to make extremely fuel
efficient stoves. The stoves were about the size of a gallon of milk.
Women can travel hours each day to collect fuel and water.
Janet US

"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 11:46:42 AM UTC-10, Cheryl wrote:
> On 7/25/2017 6:48 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> > I understand the concept. Sounds like you had a really bad experience.
> > I really don't want to rely on the post office, UPS or FedEx to deliver
> > the ingredients for a meal. What if you had company? What do you say?
> > "I'm sure the dinner ingredients will be here soon... um, around 7, 8,
> > maybe 10 O'clock". Meanwhile, have some chips and dip.
>
> Exactly! I learned after the first delivery not to plan anything
> important on "delivery day".
>
> --
> ღ.¸¸.œ«*¨`*œ¶
> Cheryl

What would be great is that homes come with secured delivery bays for
everything that gets transported to our homes so we don't have to wait
around for the deliveries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPZwnc_Lk2M

==

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On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 6:36:03 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:

> What would be great is that homes come with secured delivery bays for everything that gets transported to our homes so we don't have to wait around for the deliveries.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPZwnc_Lk2M

My "secured delivery bay" is the area just outside my back porch. I
don't live in a crime-ridden hellhole.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 02:30:50 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Wed 26 Jul 2017 04:10:04p, told us...
>
>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:12:41 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On 2017-07-26 3:32 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>>>
>>>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I
>>>>> discovered Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
>>>
>>>Years ago there was a major upset about Nestle pushing baby
>>>formula in poverty stricken countries and things did not work out
>>>well. The stuff was relatively expensive so some people thinned it
>>>out to make it go further. Then there was the problem with the
>>>water they were using. I guess that had overlooked the issue of
>>>contaminated water. I am not sure how much that problem could be
>>>blamed on the formula, since the kids would likely be exposed to
>>>contaminated water through bathing. I am sure that it would get
>>>onto the nursing mother's breasts.
>>>
>> That wasn't quite the problem - they decided (rather like
>> cigarettes today) that it would be nice to get mothers world wide
>> automatically shoving a bloody bottle in the babys mouth. They
>> must have realised, but decided that wasn't their part of the
>> ship, that impoverished mothers would naturally thin the milk out
>> to make the expensive stuff go further. They were presented with
>> enough free formula at birth to make sure breast milk was not
>> around once they had to pay for formula. It was a particularly
>> unattractrive side of big business and how it will happily use
>> people for monetary gain who can't even understand they are being
>> taken. So I blame the whole damned situation on corporate greed.
>>
>
>Then, as far as I can see, it can hardly be said that Nestle is the
>only corporation guilty of this behavior. I also can't see how
>Mestle can be blamed for those consumers using contaminated water.
>Most contaminated water can be purified by boiling. If the formula
>itself had been contaminated, then that's a whole other story.

Does that make it better that they toted their product, to increase
sales, to populations that normally automatically breast fed their
infants? Leave them alone, the mother can make far better milk for
them, giving them natural immunities etc. and don't think that the
milk companies didn't know that! It was not only the Nestle corp that
did it, I don't recall the others because I never used the bloody
stuff.
>
>Many products that have been or are still on the market are
>resposible for the death or maiming of people.

What was shocking was who the 'people' were in this case!
>
>One category, pharmaceutical companies, have pushed numerous drugs to
>market with deadly or near deadly effects on an unknowing public.
>There are too many other examples to name.
>
>How many babies either died or were born with horrible deformities as
>a result their mothers using thalidomide.

True enough but those children received, still do receive,
compensation. The babies in the Caribbean and Africa just starved or
died of malnutrition or infections created because the mother had no
idea about how to sterilize bottles, nor the wherewithal to do it. It
was a particularly heinous example of big corps at work, anything for
a bigger bottom line.
>
>I have no problem with buying Nestle products.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 00:16:36 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 01:01:03 -0400, jmcquown >
>wrote:
>
>>On 7/26/2017 10:47 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 06:59:41p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>>>
>>>> On 7/26/2017 7:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>>> 9.45...
>>>>>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I
>>>>>>> discovered Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.
>>>>
>>>> No, the tainting comes from the water they used to make it. Pure
>>>> water was not always available in some third world areas.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But not that tainted water be boiled to be made potable?
>>>
>>Apparently they forgot to read that pamphlet.
>>
>>Jill
>
>In many parts of the world fuel is as difficult to find as is clean
>water. At one time my daughter, when in the Peace Corps., was
>teaching local women in West Africa how to make extremely fuel
>efficient stoves. The stoves were about the size of a gallon of milk.
>Women can travel hours each day to collect fuel and water.
>Janet US

Many women also get terrible lung diseases from cooking with wood
stuffed into little stoves, they have been trying in some areas of
India to introduce solar powered cooking, which is a great idea.

It's so easy to sit in NA and say 'they should have' - they should
have eaten cake comes to mind.

wrote:
>
> Leave them alone, the mother can make far better milk for
> them, giving them natural immunities etc. and don't think that the
> milk companies didn't know that! It was not only the Nestle corp that
> did it, I don't recall the others because I never used the bloody
> stuff.

Well, kudos to my ex. When our daughter was born, at home and I
delivered her with the midwife supervising, she produced way more
breast milk than baby daughter needed. There was an underground
network of mothers that donated extra breast milk to those new
moms that couldn't produce. For a year or so, my wife used a
breast pump and froze the extra milk. Midwife would show up every
few days to collect it and give to the others in need.

Underground network to avoid all the govt. regulations and
issues. Other moms got real breast milk for their babies (free)
and there was never any problem.

On 2017-07-26 10:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 02:30:50 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:

>> How many babies either died or were born with horrible deformities as
>> a result their mothers using thalidomide.
>>
>> I have no problem with buying Nestle products.
>
> Congratulations, this is one of the dumbest posts of the year in rfc.
>

Give yourself more credit. You have topped it many times.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 08:28:57 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-07-26 10:33 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 02:30:50 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>
>>> How many babies either died or were born with horrible deformities as
>>> a result their mothers using thalidomide.
>>>
>>> I have no problem with buying Nestle products.
>>
>> Congratulations, this is one of the dumbest posts of the year in rfc.
>>
>
>Give yourself more credit. You have topped it many times.

I'm starting to fear Dave's razor-sharp wit.

On 2017-07-27 6:45 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 6:36:03 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> What would be great is that homes come with secured delivery bays for everything that gets transported to our homes so we don't have to wait around for the deliveries.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPZwnc_Lk2M
>
> My "secured delivery bay" is the area just outside my back porch. I
> don't live in a crime-ridden hellhole.
>

Either do I. There are a number of local farmers who have road side
produce stands with a cash box and use the honour system. A kid around
the corner sells bundles of fire wood and often leaves a large jar out
in the opening for people to leave the money in. Hmm... I may be
assuming too much. I have never actually seen money in the jar.

On 2017-07-27 7:12 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 02:30:50 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > wrote:
>

>> How many babies either died or were born with horrible deformities as
>> a result their mothers using thalidomide.
>
> True enough but those children received, still do receive,
> compensation. The babies in the Caribbean and Africa just starved or
> died of malnutrition or infections created because the mother had no
> idea about how to sterilize bottles, nor the wherewithal to do it. It
> was a particularly heinous example of big corps at work, anything for
> a bigger bottom line.

Perhaps we over estimated their ability to think. People in those places
drink water. They have fire.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 07:53:56 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> Leave them alone, the mother can make far better milk for
>> them, giving them natural immunities etc. and don't think that the
>> milk companies didn't know that! It was not only the Nestle corp that
>> did it, I don't recall the others because I never used the bloody
>> stuff.
>
>Well, kudos to my ex. When our daughter was born, at home and I
>delivered her with the midwife supervising, she produced way more
>breast milk than baby daughter needed. There was an underground
>network of mothers that donated extra breast milk to those new
>moms that couldn't produce. For a year or so, my wife used a
>breast pump and froze the extra milk. Midwife would show up every
>few days to collect it and give to the others in need.
>
>Underground network to avoid all the govt. regulations and
>issues. Other moms got real breast milk for their babies (free)
>and there was never any problem.

Excellent idea! I fail to understand all the fuss about breast
feeding, it's there, it's what nature provided, use it. In NA the
formula companies have done their work well.

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 08:47:58 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-07-27 7:12 AM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 02:30:50 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
>> > wrote:
>>
>
>>> How many babies either died or were born with horrible deformities as
>>> a result their mothers using thalidomide.
>>
>> True enough but those children received, still do receive,
>> compensation. The babies in the Caribbean and Africa just starved or
>> died of malnutrition or infections created because the mother had no
>> idea about how to sterilize bottles, nor the wherewithal to do it. It
>> was a particularly heinous example of big corps at work, anything for
>> a bigger bottom line.
>
>Perhaps we over estimated their ability to think. People in those places
>drink water. They have fire.

That's a really sneery thing to say about innocent people living in
countries far away, tragically victims of NA corporate greed.

On 2017-07-27 8:55 AM, wrote:

>> Perhaps we over estimated their ability to think. People in those places
>> drink water. They have fire.
>
> That's a really sneery thing to say about innocent people living in
> countries far away, tragically victims of NA corporate greed.
>


Sneery? I am not the one who is accusing a corporation of some sort of
sinister plot. I am not the one that assumed that clean water was beyond
their ability. The mothers would be using the same contaminated water to
wash the babies and to wash their nipples. Is it sneery to assume they
would do that?

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2017-07-26 3:32 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>
> >> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I discovered
> >> Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
> >>
> >> nb
> >
> > What's the issue with Nestle's?
>
> Years ago there was a major upset about Nestle pushing baby formula in
> poverty stricken countries and things did not work out well. The stuff
> was relatively expensive so some people thinned it out to make it go
> further. Then there was the problem with the water they were using. I
> guess that had overlooked the issue of contaminated water. I am not sure
> how much that problem could be blamed on the formula, since the kids
> would likely be exposed to contaminated water through bathing. I am sure
> that it would get onto the nursing mother's breasts.

The point was that Nestle provided free samples and persuasion to
incentivise new mothers to use it straight from birth, which meant the
baby missed out on the irreplaceable health benefit of their mother's
colostrum; then her milk naturally dried off so by the time the she'd
used up the free supply of formula, reverting to breast feeding was no
longer an option. Then she was locked into buying formula third world
mothers can't afford, with all the disadvantages of incorrect
preparation, unfit water and problems sterilising bottles.

Formula makers did exactly the same thing at the same time, in
Britain; but at least in UK there's less danger to the baby, because
there's universal safe tap water and the state provides free formula to
poor families.

Janet UK

Janet

On 7/27/2017 7:12 AM, wrote:


>
> True enough but those children received, still do receive,
> compensation. The babies in the Caribbean and Africa just starved or
> died of malnutrition or infections created because the mother had no
> idea about how to sterilize bottles, nor the wherewithal to do it. It
> was a particularly heinous example of big corps at work, anything for
> a bigger bottom line.

About 15% of women do not produce enough milk to nurse. Before formula,
those babies died.

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 06:59:41p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>
> > On 7/26/2017 7:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> >> 9.45...
> >>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
> >>>
> >>>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I
> >>>> discovered HÃ?agen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
> >>>>
> >>>> nb
> >>>
> >>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
> >>
> >> Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.
> >
> > No, the tainting comes from the water they used to make it. Pure
> > water was not always available in some third world areas.
> >
>
> But not that tainted water be boiled to be made potable?

Surely Wayne you know that in many poor and third world countries,
there's no domestic electricity gas or water supply in homes. Women walk
miles every day to fetch and carry their family' entire supply of dirty
water, in cans, plus the wood or dung they use to cook on. They have no
refrigeration so in a hot climate and dirty conditions, even boiled
water doesn't stay sterile for long. And along with the water, and fuel,
they are also carrying the baby. Now they need extra supplies of fuel
and water to scrub and clean the cooking pot before they can boil the
water to make the formula . Then they need more clean water and more
fuel to properly wash and sterilise a formula bottle after every use.
Otherwise it's a breeding ground for bacteria.

Now imagine trying to boil the water, measure and make the formula and
clean and sterilise every thing after, for babies that need repeated
feeding after dark (12 hours out of 24 in the tropics).

Nestle knew all those problems perfectly well.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> On 7/26/2017 10:47 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > On Wed 26 Jul 2017 06:59:41p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
> >
> >> On 7/26/2017 7:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>>
> >>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> >>> 9.45...
> >>>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I
> >>>>> discovered HÃ?agen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> nb
> >>>>
> >>>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
> >>>
> >>> Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.
> >>
> >> No, the tainting comes from the water they used to make it. Pure
> >> water was not always available in some third world areas.
> >>
> >
> > But not that tainted water be boiled to be made potable?
> >
> Apparently they forgot to read that pamphlet.

More likely there was no pamphlet because the targeted women couldn't
read. They couldn't read the instructions on the formula tin, either.

Janet UK.

In article >, says...
>
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 7/26/2017 7:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
> >>
> >> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> >> 9.45...
> >>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
> >>>
> >>>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I discovered
> >>>> Häagen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
> >>>>
> >>>> nb
> >>>
> >>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
> >>
> >> Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.
> >
> > No, the tainting comes from the water they used to make it. Pure water was
> > not always available in some third world areas.
>
> That's true but I thought at some point there was melamine in it too. Yep.

That was Chinese formula manufacturers
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Chinese_milk_scandal

Unconnected to the Nestle scandal.

Janet UK

On 7/27/2017 10:46 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On 7/26/2017 10:47 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 06:59:41p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>>>
>>>> On 7/26/2017 7:21 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>>> 9.45...
>>>>>> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 08:54:50a, notbob told us...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2017-07-24, jmcquown > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yep, Stouffer's lasagna is good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've boycotted all foods made by Nestle. (I wept when I
>>>>>>> discovered HÃ?agen-Dasz is, in fact, a Nestle product)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's the issue with Nestle's?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tainted baby formula being sold in other countries.
>>>>
>>>> No, the tainting comes from the water they used to make it. Pure
>>>> water was not always available in some third world areas.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But not that tainted water be boiled to be made potable?
>>>
>> Apparently they forgot to read that pamphlet.
>
> More likely there was no pamphlet because the targeted women couldn't
> read. They couldn't read the instructions on the formula tin, either.
>
> Janet UK.
>
Guess I forgot to add the <WINK> My comment was completely tongue in cheek.

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2017-07-27 7:12 AM, wrote:
> > On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 02:30:50 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> > > wrote:
> >
>
> >> How many babies either died or were born with horrible deformities as
> >> a result their mothers using thalidomide.
> >
> > True enough but those children received, still do receive,
> > compensation. The babies in the Caribbean and Africa just starved or
> > died of malnutrition or infections created because the mother had no
> > idea about how to sterilize bottles, nor the wherewithal to do it. It
> > was a particularly heinous example of big corps at work, anything for
> > a bigger bottom line.
>
> Perhaps we over estimated their ability to think. People in those places
> drink water. They have fire.

Boiling won't remove the toxic mineral and chemical contaminants in
water supplies in many poor countries, which are a particular risk to
babies.

Janet UK

In article >, says...
>
> On 7/27/2017 7:12 AM, wrote:
>
>
> >
> > True enough but those children received, still do receive,
> > compensation. The babies in the Caribbean and Africa just starved or
> > died of malnutrition or infections created because the mother had no
> > idea about how to sterilize bottles, nor the wherewithal to do it. It
> > was a particularly heinous example of big corps at work, anything for
> > a bigger bottom line.
>
> About 15% of women do not produce enough milk to nurse.


Cite?

> Before formula,
> those babies died.

Or were breastfed by another woman
Janet UK

On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 16:05:18 -0400, wrote:

>On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 22:19:01 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 08:10:46 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>>
>>>Bruce wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>>>> >I don't like being surrounded by people with huge portions of food. Just
>>>> >seeing that kills my appetite.
>>>>
>>>> I know what you mean. I was at an all-you-can-eat a while ago and I
>>>> was so put off by the amounts people were eating, that I mainly dined
>>>> on a bottle of chardonnay.
>>>
>>>You lie.
>>


>>About what?
>>
>>>Was it an "all-you-can-drink" buffet too?
>>
>>No, I had to pay for the entire bottle.
>
>Hmm... last I was in Vegas the All You Can Eat buffets served no
>alcohol... neither any other all you can eat buffet I've dined at... I
>don't know why not but could well be because many of the patrons were
>minors, several toddlers who ate for free.

Every buffet in a casino I went to had alcohol available. It was a
big thing on Sunday morning to offer mimosas or champagne.

Where you there during Prohibition?

On Thu, 27 Jul 2017 03:45:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, July 26, 2017 at 6:36:03 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>
>> What would be great is that homes come with secured delivery bays for everything that gets transported to our homes so we don't have to wait around for the deliveries.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPZwnc_Lk2M
>
>My "secured delivery bay" is the area just outside my back porch. I
>don't live in a crime-ridden hellhole.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

You can also sign up (for free) UPS My Choice and specify where a
package should be left. Mine is a place not visible from the street.

Seems that in some areas people are following the UPS truck and
grabbing packages just left. They go after the nice areas where
people buy nice things. The crime ridden hellhole population usually
does not have credit cards and buy from Amazon.