"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
9.44...

On Wed 26 Jul 2017 05:47:22a, Ed Pawlowski told us...

> On 7/26/2017 12:02 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> It's beginning to sound as though purchasing an appliance is a
>> crap shoot even with due research.
>
> Every brand seems to make the occasional lmon and some that just
> won't die.
>
> When we were looking for a DW we wee going to consider
> Bosch but our local dealer said they are a great machine but need
> more service than most brands. Based on that, we stuck with
> KitchenAid. We've had good luck with them for decades.
>
>

We also had KitchenAid dishwashers for decades, but the last one only
lasted 2 years and had repeated service calls. We also felt that the
workmanship wasn't up to KitchenAid's usual standards. I think we
noticed the change after the machines were no longer being made by
Hobart. We've had two Bosch machines, one we left back in Cleveland,
and our current one. The one in Cleveland was installed in 1995 and is
still working perfectly (we still the know the people own the house).
Our current one was installed in our first house in AZ in 2001. We had
it removed and reinstalled in our current co-op and is still running
strong in 2017. Coincidentally, the Bosch outcleans the any of the
KitchenAids we've had.

Wayne Boatwright

==

D bought a Bosch earlier in the year when I was off my feet. I have to
admit it does a great job)


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On 26 Jul 2017 17:46:38 GMT, KenK > wrote:

>Dave Smith > wrote in news:mvPdB.117975$_N3.52888
:
>
>> It's time for us to think about getting a new fridge and I am in a bind.
>> I want to get a decent one. The main criterion is that it has to be a
>> bottom freezer. I have been looking at ratings on line and I am having
>> trouble. Several of them put Maytag at or near the top. I am replacing a
>> Maytag and it has been a piece of crap from the start. I already got
>> rid of a Maytag stove and a Maytag dishwasher. Bosche are highly rated
>> but very expensive. I don't know much about LG, but they are pretty
>> pricey too.
>
>I have an LG window Air conditioner I like.
>
>My refrigerator is a Kenmore. I don't know if they have a model with a
>bottom freezer.

lots of them

On 2017-07-26 11:46 AM, KenK wrote:
> Dave Smith > wrote in news:mvPdB.117975$_N3.52888
> @fx04.iad:
>
>> It's time for us to think about getting a new fridge and I am in a bind.
>> I want to get a decent one. The main criterion is that it has to be a
>> bottom freezer. I have been looking at ratings on line and I am having
>> trouble. Several of them put Maytag at or near the top. I am replacing a
>> Maytag and it has been a piece of crap from the start. I already got
>> rid of a Maytag stove and a Maytag dishwasher. Bosche are highly rated
>> but very expensive. I don't know much about LG, but they are pretty
>> pricey too.
>
> I have an LG window Air conditioner I like.
>
> My refrigerator is a Kenmore.
>
>
But who made it?

On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 21:13:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 7/25/2017 7:11 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>
>> FWIW, we liked the bottom freezer Maytag refrigerator, but we use a
>> ton of ice throughout the day and we didn't relish having to reach
>> down for it that often.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>
>Technology advances. We have a bottom freezer but the ice maker is in
>the fridge with a dispenser on the door. Water dispenser too, of
>course. That gets used a lot.

For those who use a lot of ice a seperate ice maker makes sense... it
frees up space in your fridge/freezer and it won't have to work as
hard so will last longer. If I used a lot of ice I would definitely
have this:
https://www.amazon.com/Igloo-ICE103-...ers+countertop
I have no use for an icemaker in my fridge, I prefer ice cube trays...
all in-fridge automatic icemakers produce ice that has an odor because
rarely does anyone properly clean their icemaker and regularly and
even if they did that ice will absorb food odors. My top freezer
holds four ice cube trays and is plenty for me as at most I use two,
sometimes three trays per day... the ice is always fresh because the
refilled trays go under the full trays. Also and most importantly my
ice cube trays are filled with Reverse Osmosis filtered water from the
seperate spigot on my kitchen sink. We only drink RO water, even
bottled water is no different from ordinary tap water, very likely the
same water as from some gas station hose bib. Recently I had a second
storage tank added to my RO filter as one tank didn't produce enough
for the humidifier I use during the heating season. I don't know why
more people don't install an RO filter, costs about $125 and produces
filtered water at about 5¢/gallon. The only water purer than RO water
is distilled.

Those element filters most folks use besides being expensive are
simply breeders for bacteria and viruses, those things are no
different from aquarium filters, they will absolutely make you sick...
use them for your bath shower and you'll be spending time at the
Dermatologist.

Anyone buying pricey coffee beans, grinding, roasting, and spending
hundreds and thousands on brewing equipment is fooling themselves and
throwing their money away, because unless they are using pure water
they cannot brew good coffee... even the finast restaurants and coffee
houses use crappy water.

You can attach your fridge ice maker to an RO filter but that ice will
still pick up nasty food odors... best to use a separate icemaker and
fill it with water direct from the RO filter. If I needed more ice
there's no question in my mind, I'd definitely have one of those Igloo
icemakers.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 03:33:37 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 6:21:15 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>> It's time for us to think about getting a new fridge and I am in a bind.
>> I want to get a decent one. The main criterion is that it has to be a
>> bottom freezer. I have been looking at ratings on line and I am having
>> trouble. Several of them put Maytag at or near the top. I am replacing a
>> Maytag and it has been a piece of crap from the start. I already got
>> rid of a Maytag stove and a Maytag dishwasher. Bosche are highly rated
>> but very expensive. I don't know much about LG, but they are pretty
>> pricey too.
>
>I've got a Kenmore French-door fridge. I don't want to pull it away
>from the wall to check its label, but it probably was made by Whirlpool.
>There's a chance it was made by LG, but I don't think I'd spend that
>much on a fridge.
>
>It has been reliable and I like the pull-out freezer drawer configuration,
>but I have another fridge in the basement for overflow storage. If I
>had only the upstairs fridge, the freezer wouldn't hold enough stuff.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Our fridge is a GE Profile, I've no complaints... purchased new some
20 years ago and has never needed service. We have a second fridge in
the basement, bare bones, wire shelves, purchased used some 15 years
ago from a local appliance store for $100, has never needed service.
This is a 3rd generation family owned appliance store. The present
owner told me they know which older units were made to run forever, so
when people up grade and want the old unit removed they know which to
tune up and sell used. The owner told me that most people with an
older unit want something modern looking and refuse to have the older
unit tuned for a few dollars., but they don't know that most of the
new units with all the latest bells and whistles are designed with
planned obsolesence.

On 7/26/2017 9:30 AM, Mark Storkamp wrote:

> I got the cheapest french door Samsung and am mostly happy with it. My
> one complaint is you can't put anything tall on any of the shelves, only
> in the doors, unless you can lay it down on its side. The next step up
> in their line has shelves that can be moved out of the way for tall
> items. My sister has an LG, and that's why I got the Samsung. It took
> 2-3 years of service calls and spoiled food before they got hers running
> properly.

I thought that was going to be a problem for me too but I never have
anything higher than a blender jar if I'm making smoothies or frozen
adult beverages, and the big drawer in my bottom freezer is deep enough
to hold it upright. Mine's a GE Profile.

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"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> It's time for us to think about getting a new fridge and I am in a bind. I
> want to get a decent one. The main criterion is that it has to be a bottom
> freezer. I have been looking at ratings on line and I am having trouble.
> Several of them put Maytag at or near the top. I am replacing a Maytag and
> it has been a piece of crap from the start. I already got rid of a Maytag
> stove and a Maytag dishwasher. Bosche are highly rated but very
> expensive. I don't know much about LG, but they are pretty pricey too.

My Whirlpool is 10 years old. So far so good.



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> wrote in message
news
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 03:33:37 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 6:21:15 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> It's time for us to think about getting a new fridge and I am in a bind.
>>> I want to get a decent one. The main criterion is that it has to be a
>>> bottom freezer. I have been looking at ratings on line and I am having
>>> trouble. Several of them put Maytag at or near the top. I am replacing a
>>> Maytag and it has been a piece of crap from the start. I already got
>>> rid of a Maytag stove and a Maytag dishwasher. Bosche are highly rated
>>> but very expensive. I don't know much about LG, but they are pretty
>>> pricey too.
>>
>>I've got a Kenmore French-door fridge. I don't want to pull it away
>>from the wall to check its label, but it probably was made by Whirlpool.
>>There's a chance it was made by LG, but I don't think I'd spend that
>>much on a fridge.
>>
>>It has been reliable and I like the pull-out freezer drawer configuration,
>>but I have another fridge in the basement for overflow storage. If I
>>had only the upstairs fridge, the freezer wouldn't hold enough stuff.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
> Our fridge is a GE Profile, I've no complaints... purchased new some
> 20 years ago and has never needed service. We have a second fridge in
> the basement, bare bones, wire shelves, purchased used some 15 years
> ago from a local appliance store for $100, has never needed service.
> This is a 3rd generation family owned appliance store. The present
> owner told me they know which older units were made to run forever, so
> when people up grade and want the old unit removed they know which to
> tune up and sell used. The owner told me that most people with an
> older unit want something modern looking and refuse to have the older
> unit tuned for a few dollars., but they don't know that most of the
> new units with all the latest bells and whistles are designed with
> planned obsolesence.


If I had it to do over I would have had it repaired instead of buying a new
one. I don't care for all the bells and whistles on appliances, I just want
them to do the job. The newer Maytag doesn't look any better than the old
Hotpoint and it sure as Hell isn't as good.

Cheri

Cheri

On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 23:00:25 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

> wrote in message
>news
>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 03:33:37 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 6:21:15 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> It's time for us to think about getting a new fridge and I am in a bind.
>>>> I want to get a decent one. The main criterion is that it has to be a
>>>> bottom freezer. I have been looking at ratings on line and I am having
>>>> trouble. Several of them put Maytag at or near the top. I am replacing a
>>>> Maytag and it has been a piece of crap from the start. I already got
>>>> rid of a Maytag stove and a Maytag dishwasher. Bosche are highly rated
>>>> but very expensive. I don't know much about LG, but they are pretty
>>>> pricey too.
>>>
>>>I've got a Kenmore French-door fridge. I don't want to pull it away
>>>from the wall to check its label, but it probably was made by Whirlpool.
>>>There's a chance it was made by LG, but I don't think I'd spend that
>>>much on a fridge.
>>>
>>>It has been reliable and I like the pull-out freezer drawer configuration,
>>>but I have another fridge in the basement for overflow storage. If I
>>>had only the upstairs fridge, the freezer wouldn't hold enough stuff.
>>>
>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Our fridge is a GE Profile, I've no complaints... purchased new some
>> 20 years ago and has never needed service. We have a second fridge in
>> the basement, bare bones, wire shelves, purchased used some 15 years
>> ago from a local appliance store for $100, has never needed service.
>> This is a 3rd generation family owned appliance store. The present
>> owner told me they know which older units were made to run forever, so
>> when people up grade and want the old unit removed they know which to
>> tune up and sell used. The owner told me that most people with an
>> older unit want something modern looking and refuse to have the older
>> unit tuned for a few dollars., but they don't know that most of the
>> new units with all the latest bells and whistles are designed with
>> planned obsolesence.
>
>
>If I had it to do over I would have had it repaired instead of buying a new
>one. I don't care for all the bells and whistles on appliances, I just want
>them to do the job. The newer Maytag doesn't look any better than the old
>Hotpoint and it sure as Hell isn't as good.
>
>Cheri

I ordered the GE Profile with no icemaker, otherwise it has all the
features I like, best are the roll out glass shelves, they are height
adjustable, and easily removable for washing in the kitchen sink. It's
a top freezer which I also prefer.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45...
> On Wed 26 Jul 2017 11:00:25p, Cheri told us...
>
>> > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2017 03:33:37 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 6:21:15 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> It's time for us to think about getting a new fridge and I am
>>>>> in a bind. I want to get a decent one. The main criterion is
>>>>> that it has to be a bottom freezer. I have been looking at
>>>>> ratings on line and I am having trouble. Several of them put
>>>>> Maytag at or near the top. I am replacing a Maytag and it has
>>>>> been a piece of crap from the start. I already got rid of a
>>>>> Maytag stove and a Maytag dishwasher. Bosche are highly rated
>>>>> but very expensive. I don't know much about LG, but they are
>>>>> pretty pricey too.
>>>>
>>>>I've got a Kenmore French-door fridge. I don't want to pull it
>>>>away from the wall to check its label, but it probably was made
>>>>by Whirlpool. There's a chance it was made by LG, but I don't
>>>>think I'd spend that much on a fridge.
>>>>
>>>>It has been reliable and I like the pull-out freezer drawer
>>>>configuration, but I have another fridge in the basement for
>>>>overflow storage. If I had only the upstairs fridge, the freezer
>>>>wouldn't hold enough stuff.
>>>>
>>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Our fridge is a GE Profile, I've no complaints... purchased new
>>> some 20 years ago and has never needed service. We have a second
>>> fridge in the basement, bare bones, wire shelves, purchased used
>>> some 15 years ago from a local appliance store for $100, has
>>> never needed service. This is a 3rd generation family owned
>>> appliance store. The present owner told me they know which older
>>> units were made to run forever, so when people up grade and want
>>> the old unit removed they know which to tune up and sell used.
>>> The owner told me that most people with an older unit want
>>> something modern looking and refuse to have the older unit tuned
>>> for a few dollars., but they don't know that most of the new
>>> units with all the latest bells and whistles are designed with
>>> planned obsolesence.
>>
>>
>> If I had it to do over I would have had it repaired instead of
>> buying a new one. I don't care for all the bells and whistles on
>> appliances, I just want them to do the job. The newer Maytag
>> doesn't look any better than the old Hotpoint and it sure as Hell
>> isn't as good.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>
> Then you'd probably like the model of Maytag I have. It's 5 yeas

Does it have that awful bar coming down the the middle on the top shelf? I
can't believe I missed that, and also the cheap drawers, especially the
lunchmeat drawer, it comes off the runners often.

Cheri

We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door with bottom freezer with water and ice on the door. So far I love it. There is room on the top right for 2-liter soda bottles, and the door shelves are so deep they fit all of my condiments, and I have a ton of condiments. This is my first bottom freezer and I'll never go back to what I had. There are two deep drawers, and things are so easy to find. I've only had it for a few weeks, but so far I'm very satisfied.

Denise in NH

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message speaking of
a Maytag fridge
> No, it does not have a bar coming down the middle of the top
> shelf.All the shelves are split including the top shelf, and all are
> individually adjustalbe, All the drawers are plastic but sturdy.
> None of them come off the runners.

Sounds like a much better style. I am really thinking of replacing this one,
and believe me, I will check it out throughly before purchasing if I do. The
problem was my other fridge had given out completely so I was in more of a
hurry than I normally would be. Lesson learned.

Cheri

On 7/27/2017 2:50 PM, wrote:
> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door with bottom freezer with water and ice on the door. So far I love it. There is room on the top right for 2-liter soda bottles, and the door shelves are so deep they fit all of my condiments, and I have a ton of condiments. This is my first bottom freezer and I'll never go back to what I had. There are two deep drawers, and things are so easy to find. I've only had it for a few weeks, but so far I'm very satisfied.
>
> Denise in NH
>
Hopefully it won't require repair a day after the warranty expires.
From what I've read here about fairly new appliances, that tends to happen.

Jill

On 2017-07-27 1:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/27/2017 2:50 PM, wrote:
>> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door
>> with bottom freezer with water and ice on the door. So far I love it.
>> There is room on the top right for 2-liter soda bottles, and the door
>> shelves are so deep they fit all of my condiments, and I have a ton of
>> condiments. This is my first bottom freezer and I'll never go back to
>> what I had. There are two deep drawers, and things are so easy to
>> find. I've only had it for a few weeks, but so far I'm very satisfied.
>>
>> Denise in NH
>>
> Hopefully it won't require repair a day after the warranty expires. From
> what I've read here about fairly new appliances, that tends to happen.
>
> Jill
I wonder if the reason for lack of reliability is all the unnecessary
add-ons. My KA bottom freezer fridge is now ~20 years old and has never
been a problem. However, it doesn't have an automatic ice maker and is
not connected to the internet so there's bugger-all to go wrong.

On 2017-07-27 3:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 7/27/2017 2:50 PM, wrote:
>> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door

> Hopefully it won't require repair a day after the warranty expires. From
> what I've read here about fairly new appliances, that tends to happen.


I am wondering if the problems people are talking about are the basics
of the fridge or with all the bells and whistles. I was disappointed in
our Maytag because the door pockets were all so flimsy and insecure.
Thank goodness the egg shelf never fell out, but most of the others
have. The meat and cheese tray occasionally pops apart. At least it has
maintained temperature function.

I was out looking at fridges yesterday and the shelving on most of them
is much better. The salesmen in each store have different ideas about
which manufacturers are more reliable. One told me that Maytag went
through a bad time after being acquired by Frigidaire<?> and another
said that LG and Samsung had problems when they first got into the
business but have established themselves. It still shocks me to think
that online reviews rated Maytag highly, because my experience with a
fridge, stove and dishwasher is that they were about the worst I ever
bought.

On 2017-07-27 1:30 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-07-27 3:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/27/2017 2:50 PM, wrote:
>>> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door
>
>> Hopefully it won't require repair a day after the warranty expires.
>> From what I've read here about fairly new appliances, that tends to
>> happen.
>
>
> I am wondering if the problems people are talking about are the basics
> of the fridge or with all the bells and whistles. I was disappointed in
> our Maytag because the door pockets were all so flimsy and insecure.
> Thank goodness the egg shelf never fell out, but most of the others
> have. The meat and cheese tray occasionally pops apart. At least it has
> maintained temperature function.
>
> I was out looking at fridges yesterday and the shelving on most of them
> is much better. The salesmen in each store have different ideas about
> which manufacturers are more reliable. One told me that Maytag went
> through a bad time after being acquired by Frigidaire<?> and another
> said that LG and Samsung had problems when they first got into the
> business but have established themselves. It still shocks me to think
> that online reviews rated Maytag highly, because my experience with a
> fridge, stove and dishwasher is that they were about the worst I ever
> bought.
>
It's like Consumer reports top-rating Subaru cars. If you look at the
frequency of repairs, the CR charts are full of black dots after 4-5 years.

In article >, says...
>
> On 2017-07-27 1:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> > On 7/27/2017 2:50 PM, wrote:
> >> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door
> >> with bottom freezer with water and ice on the door. So far I love it.
> >> There is room on the top right for 2-liter soda bottles, and the door
> >> shelves are so deep they fit all of my condiments, and I have a ton of
> >> condiments. This is my first bottom freezer and I'll never go back to
> >> what I had. There are two deep drawers, and things are so easy to
> >> find. I've only had it for a few weeks, but so far I'm very satisfied.
> >>
> >> Denise in NH
> >>
> > Hopefully it won't require repair a day after the warranty expires. From
> > what I've read here about fairly new appliances, that tends to happen.
> >
> > Jill
> I wonder if the reason for lack of reliability is all the unnecessary
> add-ons. My KA bottom freezer fridge is now ~20 years old and has never
> been a problem. However, it doesn't have an automatic ice maker and is
> not connected to the internet so there's bugger-all to go wrong.

You mean, your fridge doesn't order the food online then devise and
print out a list of calorie-counted meal recipes?

Janet UK

Well, I can tell you that when my Whirlpool died after 4 years, I got a GE which has all kinds of
problems with the way it is configured, but so far otherwise has been trouble free. I LOVED
my Whirlpool and was very disappointed that it apparently was known for condenser problems.

N.

On 2017-07-28 4:08 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>>
>> On 2017-07-27 1:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2017 2:50 PM, wrote:
>>>> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door
>>>> with bottom freezer with water and ice on the door. So far I love it.
>>>> There is room on the top right for 2-liter soda bottles, and the door
>>>> shelves are so deep they fit all of my condiments, and I have a ton of
>>>> condiments. This is my first bottom freezer and I'll never go back to
>>>> what I had. There are two deep drawers, and things are so easy to
>>>> find. I've only had it for a few weeks, but so far I'm very satisfied.
>>>>
>>>> Denise in NH
>>>>
>>> Hopefully it won't require repair a day after the warranty expires. From
>>> what I've read here about fairly new appliances, that tends to happen.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> I wonder if the reason for lack of reliability is all the unnecessary
>> add-ons. My KA bottom freezer fridge is now ~20 years old and has never
>> been a problem. However, it doesn't have an automatic ice maker and is
>> not connected to the internet so there's bugger-all to go wrong.
>
> You mean, your fridge doesn't order the food online then devise and
> print out a list of calorie-counted meal recipes?
>
> Janet UK
>
No:-) I can still use a pen and a pad of paper:-)

"graham" > wrote in message
news
> On 2017-07-28 4:08 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> On 2017-07-27 1:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/2017 2:50 PM, wrote:
>>>>> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door
>>>>> with bottom freezer with water and ice on the door. So far I love it.
>>>>> There is room on the top right for 2-liter soda bottles, and the door
>>>>> shelves are so deep they fit all of my condiments, and I have a ton of
>>>>> condiments. This is my first bottom freezer and I'll never go back to
>>>>> what I had. There are two deep drawers, and things are so easy to
>>>>> find. I've only had it for a few weeks, but so far I'm very satisfied.
>>>>>
>>>>> Denise in NH
>>>>>
>>>> Hopefully it won't require repair a day after the warranty expires.
>>>> From
>>>> what I've read here about fairly new appliances, that tends to happen.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>> I wonder if the reason for lack of reliability is all the unnecessary
>>> add-ons. My KA bottom freezer fridge is now ~20 years old and has never
>>> been a problem. However, it doesn't have an automatic ice maker and is
>>> not connected to the internet so there's bugger-all to go wrong.
>>
>> You mean, your fridge doesn't order the food online then devise and
>> print out a list of calorie-counted meal recipes?
>> Janet UK
>>
> No:-) I can still use a pen and a pad of paper:-)


And can probably write in cursive as well.

Cheri

On 2017-07-28 11:11 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "graham" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 2017-07-28 4:08 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-07-27 1:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 7/27/2017 2:50 PM, wrote:
>>>>>> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door
>>>>>> with bottom freezer with water and ice on the door. So far I love
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>> There is room on the top right for 2-liter soda bottles, and the door
>>>>>> shelves are so deep they fit all of my condiments, and I have a
>>>>>> ton of
>>>>>> condiments. This is my first bottom freezer and I'll never go
>>>>>> back to
>>>>>> what I had. There are two deep drawers, and things are so easy to
>>>>>> find. I've only had it for a few weeks, but so far I'm very
>>>>>> satisfied.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Denise in NH
>>>>>>
>>>>> Hopefully it won't require repair a day after the warranty expires.
>>>>> From
>>>>> what I've read here about fairly new appliances, that tends to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>> I wonder if the reason for lack of reliability is all the unnecessary
>>>> add-ons. My KA bottom freezer fridge is now ~20 years old and has never
>>>> been a problem. However, it doesn't have an automatic ice maker and is
>>>> not connected to the internet so there's bugger-all to go wrong.
>>>
>>> You mean, your fridge doesn't order the food online then devise and
>>> print out a list of calorie-counted meal recipes?
>>> Janet UK
>>>
>> No:-) I can still use a pen and a pad of paper:-)
>
>
> And can probably write in cursive as well.
>
> Cheri
Yes! Even though my typist sometimes curses:-)

On 2017-07-28, graham > wrote:

> Yes! Even though my typist sometimes curses:-)

If (s)he uses Linux, it's probably ncurses. I use ncurses, every day.
(I also touch-type, read/write cursive, and some calligraphy)

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ncurses#curses>

nb

On 7/27/2017 12:50 PM, wrote:
> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door with bottom freezer with water and ice on the door. So far I love it. There is room on the top right for 2-liter soda bottles, and the door shelves are so deep they fit all of my condiments, and I have a ton of condiments. This is my first bottom freezer and I'll never go back to what I had. There are two deep drawers, and things are so easy to find. I've only had it for a few weeks, but so far I'm very satisfied.
>
> Denise in NH
>


That's what we bought when we remodeled our kitchen about 8 years ago
and I love it. We deliberately did NOT get the water and ice in the
door b/c we aren't gadgety and that unit take up a lot of fridge space.
I'm not at all sorry.

gloria p

On 7/27/2017 3:22 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-07-27 1:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 7/27/2017 2:50 PM, wrote:
>>> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door
>>> with bottom freezer with water and ice on the door. So far I love
>>> it. There is room on the top right for 2-liter soda bottles, and the
>>> door shelves are so deep they fit all of my condiments, and I have a
>>> ton of condiments. This is my first bottom freezer and I'll never go
>>> back to what I had. There are two deep drawers, and things are so
>>> easy to find. I've only had it for a few weeks, but so far I'm very
>>> satisfied.
>>>
>>> Denise in NH
>>>
>> Hopefully it won't require repair a day after the warranty expires.
>> From what I've read here about fairly new appliances, that tends to
>> happen.
>>
>> Jill
> I wonder if the reason for lack of reliability is all the unnecessary
> add-ons. My KA bottom freezer fridge is now ~20 years old and has never
> been a problem. However, it doesn't have an automatic ice maker and is
> not connected to the internet so there's bugger-all to go wrong.

I agree, Graham. I don't want or need my appliances to connect to the
internet! I don't need a refrigerator/freezer with a motherboard or
chips that can go bad. My refrigerator does not need to be able to tell
me what time it is. I don't need it to keep track of what is in it and
create a shopping list that will sync with my (non-existent) Smartphone.
I just want a reliable, long lasting appliance. The kitchen
appliances in this house are ancient. I'm lucky, they still work.

Jill

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 7/27/2017 3:22 PM, graham wrote:
>> On 2017-07-27 1:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 7/27/2017 2:50 PM, wrote:
>>>> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door
>>>> with bottom freezer with water and ice on the door. So far I love
>>>> it. There is room on the top right for 2-liter soda bottles, and the
>>>> door shelves are so deep they fit all of my condiments, and I have a
>>>> ton of condiments. This is my first bottom freezer and I'll never go
>>>> back to what I had. There are two deep drawers, and things are so
>>>> easy to find. I've only had it for a few weeks, but so far I'm very
>>>> satisfied.
>>>>
>>>> Denise in NH
>>>>
>>> Hopefully it won't require repair a day after the warranty expires.
>>> From what I've read here about fairly new appliances, that tends to
>>> happen.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> I wonder if the reason for lack of reliability is all the unnecessary
>> add-ons. My KA bottom freezer fridge is now ~20 years old and has never
>> been a problem. However, it doesn't have an automatic ice maker and is
>> not connected to the internet so there's bugger-all to go wrong.
>
> I agree, Graham. I don't want or need my appliances to connect to the
> internet! I don't need a refrigerator/freezer with a motherboard or chips
> that can go bad. My refrigerator does not need to be able to tell me what
> time it is. I don't need it to keep track of what is in it and create a
> shopping list that will sync with my (non-existent) Smartphone. I just
> want a reliable, long lasting appliance. The kitchen appliances in this
> house are ancient. I'm lucky, they still work.
>
> Jill


If I was you I would repair them if they break down instead of purchasing
new...most of the new stuff is not very well built IMO.

Cheri

On 7/29/2017 8:56 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "jmcquown" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 7/27/2017 3:22 PM, graham wrote:
>>> On 2017-07-27 1:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/2017 2:50 PM, wrote:
>>>>> We recently bought a 25 cu. ft. Maytag stainless steel french door
>>>>> with bottom freezer with water and ice on the door. So far I love
>>>>> it. There is room on the top right for 2-liter soda bottles, and the
>>>>> door shelves are so deep they fit all of my condiments, and I have a
>>>>> ton of condiments. This is my first bottom freezer and I'll never go
>>>>> back to what I had. There are two deep drawers, and things are so
>>>>> easy to find. I've only had it for a few weeks, but so far I'm very
>>>>> satisfied.
>>>>>
>>>>> Denise in NH
>>>>>
>>>> Hopefully it won't require repair a day after the warranty expires.
>>>> From what I've read here about fairly new appliances, that tends to
>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>> I wonder if the reason for lack of reliability is all the unnecessary
>>> add-ons. My KA bottom freezer fridge is now ~20 years old and has never
>>> been a problem. However, it doesn't have an automatic ice maker and is
>>> not connected to the internet so there's bugger-all to go wrong.
>>
>> I agree, Graham. I don't want or need my appliances to connect to the
>> internet! I don't need a refrigerator/freezer with a motherboard or
>> chips that can go bad. My refrigerator does not need to be able to
>> tell me what time it is. I don't need it to keep track of what is in
>> it and create a shopping list that will sync with my (non-existent)
>> Smartphone. I just want a reliable, long lasting appliance. The
>> kitchen appliances in this house are ancient. I'm lucky, they still
>> work.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> If I was you I would repair them if they break down instead of
> purchasing new...most of the new stuff is not very well built IMO.
>
> Cheri

Absolutely! I've only had to have the freezer on this old side-by-side
fridge/freezer repaired once. It started leaking water due to ice
build-up under the bottom freezer drawer, which I rarely use. It didn't
occur to me to look for ice build-up under that drawer. The [frostless]
freezer had a clogged drain which needed a new sturdier drain hose.
That's a GE fridge/freezer. It didn't cost much at all to have
repaired. He didn't try to sell me something new. He just fixed it.

Jill