What chemistry is going on here?
http://i.imgur.com/C6hStFB.jpg

Specifically, why green?
http://i.imgur.com/A6zmLJM.jpg

The wife loves when I clean the toilets using the patented huckleberry
method devised by Oren of pouring concentrated pool acid into the tank, so,
she asked me to clean the pots and pans ("for once").
http://i.imgur.com/UOjeomJ.jpg

Being a believer in the magic of alchemy, I dutifully pour the HCL:
blob:http://imgur.com/f7bf8cd4-3abc-49dd-9b7d-16a5ae9c04a0

This muriatic acid bubbles and froths quite reassuringly, as if it's doing
something useful:
http://i.imgur.com/EqJPylY.jpg

But the end result is less than spectacular:
http://i.imgur.com/nmyISVG.jpg

It seems the metal *under* the baked-on crud was worn away, leaving the
crud!
http://i.imgur.com/kHCTfCe.jpg

On the inside of the pot, it just seemed to pit the insides like sandpaper:
http://i.imgur.com/XYnQF0P.jpg

The result of all that hydrochloric acid was a large vase of pretty green
"something" ... but what is this green something made out of?
http://i.imgur.com/O5R4g1t.jpg

More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?

On 7/29/2017 5:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:
> What chemistry is going on here?
> http://i.imgur.com/C6hStFB.jpg
>
> Specifically, why green?
> http://i.imgur.com/A6zmLJM.jpg
>
> The wife loves when I clean the toilets using the patented huckleberry
> method devised by Oren of pouring concentrated pool acid into the tank, so,
> she asked me to clean the pots and pans ("for once").
> http://i.imgur.com/UOjeomJ.jpg
>
> Being a believer in the magic of alchemy, I dutifully pour the HCL:
> blob:http://imgur.com/f7bf8cd4-3abc-49dd-9b7d-16a5ae9c04a0
>
> This muriatic acid bubbles and froths quite reassuringly, as if it's doing
> something useful:
> http://i.imgur.com/EqJPylY.jpg
>
> But the end result is less than spectacular:
> http://i.imgur.com/nmyISVG.jpg
>
> It seems the metal *under* the baked-on crud was worn away, leaving the
> crud!
> http://i.imgur.com/kHCTfCe.jpg
>
> On the inside of the pot, it just seemed to pit the insides like sandpaper:
> http://i.imgur.com/XYnQF0P.jpg
>
> The result of all that hydrochloric acid was a large vase of pretty green
> "something" ... but what is this green something made out of?
> http://i.imgur.com/O5R4g1t.jpg
>
> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?

I thought bases were appropriate to dissolve organics rather than acids.

On 7/29/2017 8:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:
> What chemistry is going on here?
> http://i.imgur.com/C6hStFB.jpg
>
> Specifically, why green?
> http://i.imgur.com/A6zmLJM.jpg
>
> The wife loves when I clean the toilets using the patented huckleberry
> method devised by Oren of pouring concentrated pool acid into the tank, so,
> she asked me to clean the pots and pans ("for once").
> http://i.imgur.com/UOjeomJ.jpg
>
> Being a believer in the magic of alchemy, I dutifully pour the HCL:
> blob:http://imgur.com/f7bf8cd4-3abc-49dd-9b7d-16a5ae9c04a0
>
> This muriatic acid bubbles and froths quite reassuringly, as if it's doing


What the heck is in the pot? Did something overcook and burn? I've
cleaned a couple of burnt pots by putting dishwasher detergent and
boiling few minutes, then soak overnight. They are 50 years old and
still look like new.

Worst case scenario, five minutes with an SOS pad

"Danny D." > wrote in message
news
> What chemistry is going on here?
> http://i.imgur.com/C6hStFB.jpg
>
> Specifically, why green?
> http://i.imgur.com/A6zmLJM.jpg
>
> The wife loves when I clean the toilets using the patented huckleberry
> method devised by Oren of pouring concentrated pool acid into the tank,
> so,
> she asked me to clean the pots and pans ("for once").
> http://i.imgur.com/UOjeomJ.jpg
>
> Being a believer in the magic of alchemy, I dutifully pour the HCL:
> blob:http://imgur.com/f7bf8cd4-3abc-49dd-9b7d-16a5ae9c04a0
>
> This muriatic acid bubbles and froths quite reassuringly, as if it's doing
> something useful:

> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?

Lye = sodium hydroxide. It will dissolve the crud but not eat the metal
like HCl.

On 7/29/2017 8:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:
> What chemistry is going on here?
> http://i.imgur.com/C6hStFB.jpg
>
> Specifically, why green?
> http://i.imgur.com/A6zmLJM.jpg
>
> The wife loves when I clean the toilets using the patented huckleberry
> method devised by Oren of pouring concentrated pool acid into the tank, so,
> she asked me to clean the pots and pans ("for once").
> http://i.imgur.com/UOjeomJ.jpg
>
> Being a believer in the magic of alchemy, I dutifully pour the HCL:
> blob:http://imgur.com/f7bf8cd4-3abc-49dd-9b7d-16a5ae9c04a0
>
> This muriatic acid bubbles and froths quite reassuringly, as if it's doing
> something useful:
> http://i.imgur.com/EqJPylY.jpg
>
> But the end result is less than spectacular:
> http://i.imgur.com/nmyISVG.jpg
>
> It seems the metal *under* the baked-on crud was worn away, leaving the
> crud!
> http://i.imgur.com/kHCTfCe.jpg
>
> On the inside of the pot, it just seemed to pit the insides like sandpaper:
> http://i.imgur.com/XYnQF0P.jpg
>
> The result of all that hydrochloric acid was a large vase of pretty green
> "something" ... but what is this green something made out of?
> http://i.imgur.com/O5R4g1t.jpg
>
> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?
I'd use spray oven cleaner, but the acid may have already damaged the
surface of the pot.

Am Sonntag, 30. Juli 2017 02:59:05 UTC+2 schrieb Danny D.:
> What chemistry is going on here?
> http://i.imgur.com/C6hStFB.jpg
>
> Specifically, why green?
> http://i.imgur.com/A6zmLJM.jpg
>
> The wife loves when I clean the toilets using the patented huckleberry
> method devised by Oren of pouring concentrated pool acid into the tank, so,
> she asked me to clean the pots and pans ("for once").
> http://i.imgur.com/UOjeomJ.jpg
>
> Being a believer in the magic of alchemy, I dutifully pour the HCL:
> blob:http://imgur.com/f7bf8cd4-3abc-49dd-9b7d-16a5ae9c04a0
>
> This muriatic acid bubbles and froths quite reassuringly, as if it's doing
> something useful:
> http://i.imgur.com/EqJPylY.jpg
>
> But the end result is less than spectacular:
> http://i.imgur.com/nmyISVG.jpg
>
> It seems the metal *under* the baked-on crud was worn away, leaving the
> crud!
> http://i.imgur.com/kHCTfCe.jpg
>
> On the inside of the pot, it just seemed to pit the insides like sandpaper:
> http://i.imgur.com/XYnQF0P.jpg
>
> The result of all that hydrochloric acid was a large vase of pretty green
> "something" ... but what is this green something made out of?
> http://i.imgur.com/O5R4g1t.jpg
>
> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?

Sell that Jade vase to the highest bidder and buy your wife new pots.

Bye, Sanne.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:34:32 -0400, Art Todesco wrote:

> I'd use spray oven cleaner, but the acid may have already damaged the
> surface of the pot.

I thought of the oven cleaner foam, but really, I dislike the weak
chemicals that are found in a supermarket, or even nowadays, in California,
the "baby chemicals" that are available in the hardware stores.

I wish I had access to a chem lab which has concentrated sulfuric acid and
sodium hydroxide both of which are like syrup as I recall from my college
days long ago.

So the trick is to find a local industrial supplier where I can buy a
gallon of sodium hydroxide.

What industry uses sodium hydroxide by the gallon?

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:15:42 -0400, dadiOH wrote:

> Lye = sodium hydroxide. It will dissolve the crud but not eat the metal
> like HCl.

No doubt about it that concentrated sodium hydroxide would be fun to try.
The question is where to get the concentrate locally.

I'm not the type to buy the tremendously diluted and perfumed household
chemicals in the local supermarket.

I like the raw powerful stuff.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 00:02:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> What the heck is in the pot? Did something overcook and burn? I've
> cleaned a couple of burnt pots by putting dishwasher detergent and
> boiling few minutes, then soak overnight. They are 50 years old and
> still look like new.
>
> Worst case scenario, five minutes with an SOS pad

The pots were basically "abused" by me (according to my wife) because I
used them to make potato wedges for the grandkids, who love my potato
wedges!

I would parboil the potatoes, cut them into wedges, soak the wedges in cold
water, whip up a mix of flavored flour, tamp down the wedges a bit with a
towel, and then put the wedges and flavored flour in a baggie to shake
shake shake.

Then I'd freeze them (dunno why freezing works, but it does), and then when
ready, I'd pop them into 400 degree F boiling oil in those pots.

Invariably there'd be splashes, fires, and spills, where the end result was
those pots.

On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 20:53:01 -0700, Bob F wrote:

> I thought bases were appropriate to dissolve organics rather than acids.

The only bases I have in any concentration are 5-pound bags of baking soda
(sodium bicarbonate). Does that stand a chance of working?

I'd love to try sodium hydroxide but where, in California, locally, can I
pick up a bottle of concentrated sodium hydroxide like I can do with pool
chemicals?

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 8:59:05 PM UTC-4, Danny D. wrote:
> What chemistry is going on here?
> http://i.imgur.com/C6hStFB.jpg
>
> Specifically, why green?
> http://i.imgur.com/A6zmLJM.jpg

Those pots appear to be stainless steel with a clad disk of aluminum
on the bottom. Your acid bath might be getting in there and reacting
with the aluminum.

Metals and acids generally do not get along well.

> The wife loves when I clean the toilets using the patented huckleberry
> method devised by Oren of pouring concentrated pool acid into the tank, so,
> she asked me to clean the pots and pans ("for once").
> http://i.imgur.com/UOjeomJ.jpg

Toilets are made of ceramic, which is very non-reactive.

> Being a believer in the magic of alchemy, I dutifully pour the HCL:
> blob:http://imgur.com/f7bf8cd4-3abc-49dd-9b7d-16a5ae9c04a0

Chemistry is not magic.

> This muriatic acid bubbles and froths quite reassuringly, as if it's doing
> something useful:
> http://i.imgur.com/EqJPylY.jpg

Useful or harmful. Definitely eating away at the metal.

> But the end result is less than spectacular:
> http://i.imgur.com/nmyISVG.jpg
>
> It seems the metal *under* the baked-on crud was worn away, leaving the
> crud!
> http://i.imgur.com/kHCTfCe.jpg
>
> On the inside of the pot, it just seemed to pit the insides like sandpaper:
> http://i.imgur.com/XYnQF0P.jpg

Thus leaving it very difficult to clean the next time it gets dirty.

> The result of all that hydrochloric acid was a large vase of pretty green
> "something" ... but what is this green something made out of?
> http://i.imgur.com/O5R4g1t.jpg
>
> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?

There's no magic. Either your wife has to use those pots as is,
or you have to replace them.

Make sure you keep these pots for your next effort at frying. Incidentally,
if there's "splashes, fires, and spills", you are not being careful enough.

Next time, start with baking soda:

<http://www.stain-removal-101.com/cleaning-burned-pots-with-baking-soda.html>

You might be able to get rid of the remaining crud with baking soda.

Don't use lye. Don't use anything you wouldn't want to use on your skin.
Expect to use a little "elbow grease". As you can see, shortcuts often
result in disaster.

Do some research before your next chemistry experiment.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 12:19:11 -0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
> wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 00:02:08 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> What the heck is in the pot? Did something overcook and burn? I've
>> cleaned a couple of burnt pots by putting dishwasher detergent and
>> boiling few minutes, then soak overnight. They are 50 years old and
>> still look like new.
>>
>> Worst case scenario, five minutes with an SOS pad
>
>The pots were basically "abused" by me (according to my wife) because I
>used them to make potato wedges for the grandkids, who love my potato
>wedges!
>
>I would parboil the potatoes, cut them into wedges, soak the wedges in cold
>water, whip up a mix of flavored flour, tamp down the wedges a bit with a
>towel, and then put the wedges and flavored flour in a baggie to shake
>shake shake.
>
>Then I'd freeze them (dunno why freezing works, but it does), and then when
>ready, I'd pop them into 400 degree F boiling oil in those pots.
>
>Invariably there'd be splashes, fires, and spills, where the end result was
>those pots.

Oh Danny,

The wife is correct. The pics looked like burnt on oil/grease to me.
Try an oil with a much higher smoke point. Oven cleaner would have
been my go to first option. Spray heavily and enclose in a plastic
bag overnight - repeat a time or two.

You could likely put the pot in a self-cleaning oven to get the mess
off as long as the pot is oven safe (no plastic handles).

What am I gonna do with you son :-)

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 10:53:10 PM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
....
> I thought bases were appropriate to dissolve organics rather than acids.

Generally that is the case. But "dissolved" is not the correct with, "reacted with" IS!

John Kuthe...

On 7/29/2017 5:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:

>
> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?
>


https://www.spartanchemical.com/products/product/213004

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:43:28 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:

>> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?

> https://www.spartanchemical.com/products/product/213004

Thanks for not screaming "You're gonna die!" and for suggesting a powerful
alternative to fueling a complete aisle of uselessly dilute chemicals at
the local supermarket.

https://www.spartanchemical.com/products/product/213004
"Non-butyl, extra heavy duty detergent degreaser formulated for use in
industrial and institutional facilities. Excellent kitchen and restaurant
degreaser. Extra degreasing boost cuts though greasy build-ups and heavy
encrustations."

Hmmmmmnbmm... what is it made of?
"Contains no butyl or toxic solvents. No abrasives. No harmful vapors. No
butyl kickback. Non-flammable. Biodegradable. Kosher and Pareve.".

Ummmmhmmm. Ok... so it's Kosher. But what is it made up of?
https://www.spartanchemical.com/sds/...HS/EN/2130.pdf
" Causes severe skin burns and serious eye damage. May be corrosive to
metals. Harmful or fatal if swallowed. May cause immediate pain. Destroy
contaminated clothing."

Good! Now we're talking!
Reading on...it's mostly water as the diluent with the following chemicals:
- Sodium metasilicate 5% to 10%
- Sodium tripolyphosphate 1% to 5%
- Potassium hydroxide 1% to 5%
- Phospate ester 1% to 5%

Googling for what the second-most main ingredient (other than water) does,
we find Wiki says it's also known as "water glass" although there is only
one sentence about it being a "detergent auxiliary".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_silicate

This gives a better explanation that it's a "water softener" which is used
in common dishwasher laundry packets:
https://blog.honest.com/what-is-sodium-metasilicate/#

Hmmmmnnmmm... maybe the second ingredient isn't the clincher since a water
softener isn't all that big of a deal, especially if I can get it out of a
common diswhasher detergent packet.

Moving to the third ingredient then, Sodium tripolyphosphate is apparently
the phosphate in your basic detergents used as another water softener:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_triphosphate

Basically they make water more effective by "chelating calcium and
magnesium ions".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphates_in_detergent

I think I'm looking for something more directly dissolving of the baked-on
fats than a simple water softener.

To that effect, I do note my favorite, sodium hydroxide next on the list,
but the question always was how to get a gallon of NaOH which I'd love to
have at my disposal.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:27:25 -0700, Oren wrote:

> The wife is correct.

She accuses me of abusing things all the time.
She just doesn't understand men.

> The pics looked like burnt on oil/grease to me.

Yup. The kids loved the flames!
And the CO2 fire extinguisher whooosh! Whoosh! Whoosh!

I ruined the vent to the stove in fact, because the flames burned the wires
even though the (asbestos?) wire-mesh shield (that's a project to fix for
later).

> Try an oil with a much higher smoke point.

Ummmmm.... er ... how do I say this without offending the (very very very
Italian wife) ... but um ... there is only ONE type of oil in the kitchen.

Yes. One. Only one.
It comes from Costco and not in a two-pack either.

> Oven cleaner would have
> been my go to first option. Spray heavily and enclose in a plastic
> bag overnight - repeat a time or two.

OK. But isn't oven cleaner just extensively diluted perfumed sodium
hydroxide? I'm not the guy for sissy stuff that supermarkets sell!

Besides, Frank said that concentrated sodium hydroxide won't work.

> You could likely put the pot in a self-cleaning oven to get the mess
> off as long as the pot is oven safe (no plastic handles).

That's an idea! Heat alone might work.
Of course, heat is what caused the problem in the first place...
So ... um... dunno. But something makes self-cleaning ovens work.

I suspect they bake the fats to a crumbly crust.

I think my next step will be the pressure washer though.
Or the goopy laundry detergent bath.

I was hoping for a magic chemical but Frank said NaOH isn't it.
Certainly HCl isn't it.

On 7/30/2017 10:43 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> On 7/29/2017 5:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:
>
>>
>> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?
>>
>
>
> https://www.spartanchemical.com/products/product/213004
>

Its also very high pH and prolonged contact can attack aluminum.

Even one drop of 1% caustic in the eye if not immediately washed out can
lead to blindness by clouding of the lens.

I've worked with all these things in the lab where I have maximum
protection if need like gloves, clothing, googles or face shield and
good ventilation. Bringing concentrated acids or caustics into the
kitchen to use can cause disaster if precautions are not taken.

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 11:23:19 AM UTC-4, Danny D. wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:43:28 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
> >> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?

I'm a little curious why you jump first to the nuclear option?
Why not try tact and diplomacy?

Cindy Hamilton

On 7/30/2017 8:19 AM, Danny D. wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:43:28 -0700, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>
>>> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?
>
>> https://www.spartanchemical.com/products/product/213004
>
> Thanks for not screaming "You're gonna die!" and for suggesting a powerful
> alternative to fueling a complete aisle of uselessly dilute chemicals at
> the local supermarket.
>
> https://www.spartanchemical.com/products/product/213004
> "Non-butyl, extra heavy duty detergent degreaser formulated for use in
> industrial and institutional facilities. Excellent kitchen and restaurant
> degreaser. Extra degreasing boost cuts though greasy build-ups and heavy
> encrustations."
>
> Hmmmmmnbmm... what is it made of?
> "Contains no butyl or toxic solvents. No abrasives. No harmful vapors. No
> butyl kickback. Non-flammable. Biodegradable. Kosher and Pareve.".
>
> Ummmmhmmm. Ok... so it's Kosher. But what is it made up of?
> https://www.spartanchemical.com/sds/...HS/EN/2130.pdf
> " Causes severe skin burns and serious eye damage. May be corrosive to
> metals. Harmful or fatal if swallowed. May cause immediate pain. Destroy
> contaminated clothing."
>
> Good! Now we're talking!
> Reading on...it's mostly water as the diluent with the following chemicals:
> - Sodium metasilicate 5% to 10%
> - Sodium tripolyphosphate 1% to 5%
> - Potassium hydroxide 1% to 5%
> - Phospate ester 1% to 5%
>
> Googling for what the second-most main ingredient (other than water) does,
> we find Wiki says it's also known as "water glass" although there is only
> one sentence about it being a "detergent auxiliary".
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_silicate
>
> This gives a better explanation that it's a "water softener" which is used
> in common dishwasher laundry packets:
> https://blog.honest.com/what-is-sodium-metasilicate/#
>
> Hmmmmnnmmm... maybe the second ingredient isn't the clincher since a water
> softener isn't all that big of a deal, especially if I can get it out of a
> common diswhasher detergent packet.
>
> Moving to the third ingredient then, Sodium tripolyphosphate is apparently
> the phosphate in your basic detergents used as another water softener:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_triphosphate
>
> Basically they make water more effective by "chelating calcium and
> magnesium ions".
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphates_in_detergent
>
> I think I'm looking for something more directly dissolving of the baked-on
> fats than a simple water softener.
>
> To that effect, I do note my favorite, sodium hydroxide next on the list,
> but the question always was how to get a gallon of NaOH which I'd love to
> have at my disposal.
>


"Cuts through greasy build-ups and heavy encrustations "

I think you should leave this project to somebody else.

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:15:42 -0400, "dadiOH" > wrote:

>
>"Danny D." > wrote in message
>news
>> What chemistry is going on here?
>> http://i.imgur.com/C6hStFB.jpg
>>
>> Specifically, why green?
>> http://i.imgur.com/A6zmLJM.jpg
>>
>> The wife loves when I clean the toilets using the patented huckleberry
>> method devised by Oren of pouring concentrated pool acid into the tank,
>> so,
>> she asked me to clean the pots and pans ("for once").
>> http://i.imgur.com/UOjeomJ.jpg
>>
>> Being a believer in the magic of alchemy, I dutifully pour the HCL:
>> blob:http://imgur.com/f7bf8cd4-3abc-49dd-9b7d-16a5ae9c04a0
>>
>> This muriatic acid bubbles and froths quite reassuringly, as if it's doing
>> something useful:
>
>> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?
>
>Lye = sodium hydroxide. It will dissolve the crud but not eat the metal
>like HCl.
>
Unless the pots are aluminum - - -

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 12:19:04 -0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
> wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:15:42 -0400, dadiOH wrote:
>
>> Lye = sodium hydroxide. It will dissolve the crud but not eat the metal
>> like HCl.
>
>No doubt about it that concentrated sodium hydroxide would be fun to try.
>The question is where to get the concentrate locally.
>
>I'm not the type to buy the tremendously diluted and perfumed household
>chemicals in the local supermarket.
>
>I like the raw powerful stuff.

Gillets lye crystals, oe red devil from local old-tyme hardware store

On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:35:29 -0000 (UTC), "Danny D."
> wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:27:25 -0700, Oren wrote:
>
>> The wife is correct.
>
>She accuses me of abusing things all the time.
>She just doesn't understand men.
>
>> The pics looked like burnt on oil/grease to me.
>
>Yup. The kids loved the flames!
>And the CO2 fire extinguisher whooosh! Whoosh! Whoosh!
>
>I ruined the vent to the stove in fact, because the flames burned the wires
>even though the (asbestos?) wire-mesh shield (that's a project to fix for
>later).
>
>> Try an oil with a much higher smoke point.
>
>Ummmmm.... er ... how do I say this without offending the (very very very
>Italian wife) ... but um ... there is only ONE type of oil in the kitchen.
>
>Yes. One. Only one.
>It comes from Costco and not in a two-pack either.
>
>> Oven cleaner would have
>> been my go to first option. Spray heavily and enclose in a plastic
>> bag overnight - repeat a time or two.
>
>OK. But isn't oven cleaner just extensively diluted perfumed sodium
>hydroxide? I'm not the guy for sissy stuff that supermarkets sell!
>
>Besides, Frank said that concentrated sodium hydroxide won't work.
>
>> You could likely put the pot in a self-cleaning oven to get the mess
>> off as long as the pot is oven safe (no plastic handles).
>
>That's an idea! Heat alone might work.
>Of course, heat is what caused the problem in the first place...
>So ... um... dunno. But something makes self-cleaning ovens work.
>
A catalyst impregnated into the enamel or ceramic coating - - -
>I suspect they bake the fats to a crumbly crust.
>
>I think my next step will be the pressure washer though.
>Or the goopy laundry detergent bath.
>
>I was hoping for a magic chemical but Frank said NaOH isn't it.
>Certainly HCl isn't it.

"Danny D." > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 30 Jul 2017 07:34:32 -0400, Art Todesco wrote:
>
>> I'd use spray oven cleaner, but the acid may have already damaged the
>> surface of the pot.
>
> I thought of the oven cleaner foam, but really, I dislike the weak
> chemicals that are found in a supermarket, or even nowadays, in
> California,
> the "baby chemicals" that are available in the hardware stores.
>
> I wish I had access to a chem lab which has concentrated sulfuric acid and
> sodium hydroxide both of which are like syrup as I recall from my college
> days long ago.
>
> So the trick is to find a local industrial supplier where I can buy a
> gallon of sodium hydroxide.
>
> What industry uses sodium hydroxide by the gallon?

Soap manufacturers for one. Potassium hydroxide too. Use wood ash and make
your own.

"Danny D." > wrote in message
news
> I think I'm looking for something more directly dissolving of the baked-on
> fats than a simple water softener.
>
> To that effect, I do note my favorite, sodium hydroxide next on the list,
> but the question always was how to get a gallon of NaOH which I'd love to
> have at my disposal.

There must be chemical supply houses in California. Go to one. Or pick one
of these...
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=bulk+naoh

On 2017-07-29 6:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:

>
> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?

The best environmentally friendly chemical that is widely available is
L-bo Grease.

On 7/30/2017 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-07-29 6:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:
>
>>
>> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?
>
> The best environmentally friendly chemical that is widely available is
> L-bo Grease.

But does it come with instructions?

Danny D. posted for all of us...


>
> What chemistry is going on here?
> http://i.imgur.com/C6hStFB.jpg
>
> Specifically, why green?
> http://i.imgur.com/A6zmLJM.jpg
>
> The wife loves when I clean the toilets using the patented huckleberry
> method devised by Oren of pouring concentrated pool acid into the tank, so,
> she asked me to clean the pots and pans ("for once").
> http://i.imgur.com/UOjeomJ.jpg
>
> Being a believer in the magic of alchemy, I dutifully pour the HCL:
> blob:http://imgur.com/f7bf8cd4-3abc-49dd-9b7d-16a5ae9c04a0
>
> This muriatic acid bubbles and froths quite reassuringly, as if it's doing
> something useful:
> http://i.imgur.com/EqJPylY.jpg
>
> But the end result is less than spectacular:
> http://i.imgur.com/nmyISVG.jpg
>
> It seems the metal *under* the baked-on crud was worn away, leaving the
> crud!
> http://i.imgur.com/kHCTfCe.jpg
>
> On the inside of the pot, it just seemed to pit the insides like sandpaper:
> http://i.imgur.com/XYnQF0P.jpg
>
> The result of all that hydrochloric acid was a large vase of pretty green
> "something" ... but what is this green something made out of?
> http://i.imgur.com/O5R4g1t.jpg
>
> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?

Heroin + carfentanil? <VBG and NOT serious>

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Danny D. posted for all of us...


> heavy
> encrustations
>

You got me hooked here!

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dadiOH posted for all of us...


>
> "Danny D." > wrote in message
> news >
> > I think I'm looking for something more directly dissolving of the baked-on
> > fats than a simple water softener.
> >
> > To that effect, I do note my favorite, sodium hydroxide next on the list,
> > but the question always was how to get a gallon of NaOH which I'd love to
> > have at my disposal.
>
> There must be chemical supply houses in California. Go to one. Or pick one
> of these...
> https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=bulk+naoh

IDK I think California outlaws all chemicals except the injectable ones...

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>
> On 7/30/2017 6:15 PM, graham wrote:
> > On 2017-07-29 6:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?
> >
> > The best environmentally friendly chemical that is widely available is
> > L-bo Grease.
>
> But does it come with instructions?

Look under 'strengthening your forearm'

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"Danny D." > wrote in news
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2017 20:53:01 -0700, Bob F wrote:
>
>> I thought bases were appropriate to dissolve organics rather than acids.

They are.
>
> The only bases I have in any concentration are 5-pound bags of baking soda
> (sodium bicarbonate). Does that stand a chance of working?

Nope, but it won't eat your pans, either.
>
> I'd love to try sodium hydroxide but where, in California, locally, can I
> pick up a bottle of concentrated sodium hydroxide like I can do with pool
> chemicals?

Probably nowhere. Try washing soda instead. You should be able to find it on the laundry
aisle of your local supermarket -- box of Arm & Hammer brand looks pretty much like the
A&H baking soda box except a lot bigger. Note: washing soda will leave a dark gray layer
on your aluminum pans, but that's a heck of a lot better than eating the metal away.

What in the world ever possessed you to use muriatic acid to clean your cookware,
anyway? That stuff's for cleaning concrete and porcelain, not metal.

I can't imagine owning a pot that looks like that. It almost looks like it has been in a campfire
and I can't imagine you put so much oil in it that you had spatters and spills, if you don't mind
my saying so.

I have successfully used a commercial product called Sokoff to remove sticky, burned-on spots
of grease from the enameled exterior of an electric frypan. It worked like a paint remover
works on a painted wood bureau.

Otherwise, if you Google, there are a number of ideas including vinegar and baking soda (isn't that what
you use to clean battery terminals in cars, or contact points of a device where the battery has
corroded)?

If it were mine to mess with, I would mix one of the YouTube concoctions of vinegar and baking soda
in a large ice chest where I could submerge the whole thing, close the lid, and let it sit for a couple
days.

Good luck.

N.

On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:38:05 AM UTC-6, Frank wrote:
> On 7/30/2017 10:43 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
> > On 7/29/2017 5:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?
> >>
> >
> >
> > https://www.spartanchemical.com/products/product/213004
> >
>
> Its also very high pH and prolonged contact can attack aluminum.
>
> Even one drop of 1% caustic in the eye if not immediately washed out can
> lead to blindness by clouding of the lens.
>
> I've worked with all these things in the lab where I have maximum
> protection if need like gloves, clothing, googles or face shield and
> good ventilation. Bringing concentrated acids or caustics into the
> kitchen to use can cause disaster if precautions are not taken.


Danny loves to take chances...one of these days he is going to wipe out the
entire household including himself.
And to think it all started with some "pool cleaner"...too bad.
Danny, USE THE RIGHT PRODUCTS FOR THE JOB AND QUIT EXPERIMENTING.
=====

On 8/1/2017 9:15 AM, Roy wrote:
> On Sunday, July 30, 2017 at 9:38:05 AM UTC-6, Frank wrote:
>> On 7/30/2017 10:43 AM, Taxed and Spent wrote:
>>> On 7/29/2017 5:54 PM, Danny D. wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> More importantly, what is my next magic chemical to try?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.spartanchemical.com/products/product/213004
>>>
>>
>> Its also very high pH and prolonged contact can attack aluminum.
>>
>> Even one drop of 1% caustic in the eye if not immediately washed out can
>> lead to blindness by clouding of the lens.
>>
>> I've worked with all these things in the lab where I have maximum
>> protection if need like gloves, clothing, googles or face shield and
>> good ventilation. Bringing concentrated acids or caustics into the
>> kitchen to use can cause disaster if precautions are not taken.
>
>
> Danny loves to take chances...one of these days he is going to wipe out the
> entire household including himself.
> And to think it all started with some "pool cleaner"...too bad.
> Danny, USE THE RIGHT PRODUCTS FOR THE JOB AND QUIT EXPERIMENTING.
> =====
>


looking at that pot, he should quit cooking, too.