On 8/3/2017 8:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>>
>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>
> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
> them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
> meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
> of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
> don't want to eat.
>
I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes. They
pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the ingredient
labels on things like Boca Burgers:

WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF
METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST EXTRACT,
SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR
(NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE.

Can't wait to dig in! LOL

Jill

On 2017-08-03 12:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
>> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
>> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
>> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
>> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
>
> It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty innocuous, inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna happen.

They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.

On 8/3/2017 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>
>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>
> I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
> and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
> dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
> you can't hack giving it up.
>
I don't tell vegetarians what to eat. I like meat; this is a cooking
newsgroup so I post about cooking it. I just got back from the grocery
store. I bought more non-meat items than anything else. Lentils,
beans, acorn squash, corn, artichokes. Meat does not necessarily have
to be in every meal.

> Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
> else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Exactly. Vegetarians bring up their eating preferences more often (I'm
talking about in person, say at a party or other social gathering) than
do omnivores.

Jill

On 2017-08-03 1:20 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 22:14:46 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:09:12 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-08-02 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:56:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> The problem with faux meat is that it does not taste like real meat or
>>>>> have the texture of real meat.
>>>>
>>>> But you don't have to worry about that, because you eat real meat.
>>>>
>>>>> As you suggest, think outside the box. How about faux ice cream? There
>>>>> are substitutes for that too and they taste like crap. Faux chocolate?
>>>>> Faux anything. If I can't have the real deal, I don't want anything.
>>>>
>>>> If it's bad, it's bad. But I don't understand why meat eaters would
>>>> have a problem with vegetarians who eat faux meat.
>>>
>>> I have made my point before about vegetarians trying to push the faux
>>> meat products on us and telling us how they taste just like meat. Well,
>>> they don't taste just like meat. Meat tastes like meat.
>>
>> That I agree with.
>
> Then why does Bacos sell so well... isn't Bacos vegetarian bacon?

Do they? I think we tried them once. They are quick and easy and have a
long shelf live. They add a texture and taste to salads, but they are
not bacon.

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2017-08-02 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> > On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
>
> >>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
> >>>
> >>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
> >>> thing?
> >>
> >> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend to be meat.
> >
> > There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
> > occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
> > onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
> >
>
> I have had great vegetarian dishes. They were not attempts to fabricate
> some sort of pretend meat.

Fake meat is for vegetarians who can't cook.

Janet UK

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:56:52 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
> >> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
> >> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
> >> >
> >> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
> >> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
> >> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
> >> > you can't hack giving it up.
> >> >
> >> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
> >> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
> >> >
> >>
> >> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
> >> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
> >> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
> >> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
> >> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
> >
> > It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty innocuous,
> > inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be
> > like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna
> > happen.
>
> ====
>
> Americans ate horsemeat a lot in the not so distant past, until it was
> banned for sale for humans.
>
> Cheri

If you want to get technical, some Americans still eat horse and dog meat. My point was that it was unreasonable to expect a vegetarian to grill up a nice, juicy, steak.

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-08-03 12:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
> >> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
> >> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
> >> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
> >> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
> >
> > It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty innocuous, inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna happen.
>
> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.

So you wouldn't mind accommodating somebody who wanted some grill some chihuahua on your BBQ? Splendid!

On 8/3/2017 12:56 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>> >
>>> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
>>> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
>>> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
>>> > you can't hack giving it up.
>>> >
>>> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
>>> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
>>> >
(snippage)
>>>
>> It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty
>> innocuous, inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook
>> meat would be like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat
>> i.e., it ain't gonna happen.
>
> ====
>
> Americans ate horsemeat a lot in the not so distant past, until it was
> banned for sale for humans.
>
> Cheri

They sure did. These days horse meat is relegated to use in canned dog
food.

Jill

Am Donnerstag, 3. August 2017 19:47:39 UTC+2 schrieb dsi1:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > On 2017-08-03 12:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >
> > >> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
> > >> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
> > >> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
> > >> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
> > >> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
> > >
> > > It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty innocuous, inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna happen.
> >
> > They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
> > cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
>
> So you wouldn't mind accommodating somebody who wanted some grill some
> chihuahua on your BBQ? Splendid!

Naaah!
Isn't worth it. Only skin and bones.

Bye, Sanne.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:56:52 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
>> ...
>> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>> >> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>> >> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>> >> >
>> >> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
>> >> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
>> >> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
>> >> > you can't hack giving it up.
>> >> >
>> >> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
>> >> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week.
>> >> When
>> >> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
>> >> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
>> >> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
>> >> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
>> >
>> > It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty
>> > innocuous,
>> > inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be
>> > like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't
>> > gonna
>> > happen.
>>
>> ====
>>
>> Americans ate horsemeat a lot in the not so distant past, until it was
>> banned for sale for humans.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> If you want to get technical, some Americans still eat horse and dog meat.
> My point was that it was unreasonable to expect a vegetarian to grill up a
> nice, juicy, steak.
>


My point, obviously, was in reply to your statement "American to eat dog or
horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna happen." Nothing technical about it at all.

Cheri

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 8/3/2017 12:56 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>>> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>>> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>>> >
>>>> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
>>>> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
>>>> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
>>>> > you can't hack giving it up.
>>>> >
>>>> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
>>>> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
>>>> >
> (snippage)
>>>>
>>> It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty
>>> innocuous, inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook
>>> meat would be like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat
>>> i.e., it ain't gonna happen.
>>
>> ====
>>
>> Americans ate horsemeat a lot in the not so distant past, until it was
>> banned for sale for humans.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> They sure did. These days horse meat is relegated to use in canned dog
> food.
>
> Jill


I believe they banned it in CA for human consumption in the 90's so it
hasn't been that long ago. If I ever had it, I didn't know it.

Cheri

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 8:11:29 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:56:52 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
> >> >> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
> >> >> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
> >> >> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
> >> >> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
> >> >> > you can't hack giving it up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
> >> >> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week.
> >> >> When
> >> >> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
> >> >> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating..
> >> >> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
> >> >> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense..
> >> >
> >> > It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty
> >> > innocuous,
> >> > inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be
> >> > like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't
> >> > gonna
> >> > happen.
> >>
> >> ====
> >>
> >> Americans ate horsemeat a lot in the not so distant past, until it was
> >> banned for sale for humans.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > If you want to get technical, some Americans still eat horse and dog meat.
> > My point was that it was unreasonable to expect a vegetarian to grill up a
> > nice, juicy, steak.
> >
>
>
> My point, obviously, was in reply to your statement "American to eat dog or
> horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna happen." Nothing technical about it at all.
>
> Cheri

You're not supposed to take me literally. I already know that Americans eat dog and horse meat, even today. Heck they even eat moose and squirrel. I prefer to write short and sweet. Why spoil the lines of a post with qualifications and technicalities? That sucks. You get to have the last word.

On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 13:20:05 -0400, wrote:

>On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 22:14:46 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:09:12 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2017-08-02 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:56:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> The problem with faux meat is that it does not taste like real meat or
>>>>> have the texture of real meat.
>>>>
>>>> But you don't have to worry about that, because you eat real meat.
>>>>
>>>>> As you suggest, think outside the box. How about faux ice cream? There
>>>>> are substitutes for that too and they taste like crap. Faux chocolate?
>>>>> Faux anything. If I can't have the real deal, I don't want anything.
>>>>
>>>> If it's bad, it's bad. But I don't understand why meat eaters would
>>>> have a problem with vegetarians who eat faux meat.
>>>
>>>I have made my point before about vegetarians trying to push the faux
>>>meat products on us and telling us how they taste just like meat. Well,
>>>they don't taste just like meat. Meat tastes like meat.
>>
>>That I agree with.
>
>Then why does Bacos sell so well... isn't Bacos vegetarian bacon?
>There are lots of potato chips that contain artificial bacon flavor...
>and ALL bacon flavor is artificial/vegetarian;

It's cheaper to use "natural flavour" -which often isn't natural at
all- than the real thing and sheeple consumers don't care about
ingredients, as long as their rudimentary palate tastes salty or sweet
or fat.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:23:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>>
>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>
>WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
>them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
>meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
>of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
>don't want to eat.

But you don't like it when they eat faux meat.

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 8:06:17 AM UTC-10, sanne wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 3. August 2017 19:47:39 UTC+2 schrieb dsi1:
> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > On 2017-08-03 12:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > >
> > > >> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
> > > >> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
> > > >> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
> > > >> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
> > > >> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
> > > >
> > > > It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty innocuous, inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna happen.
> > >
> > > They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
> > > cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
> >
> > So you wouldn't mind accommodating somebody who wanted some grill some
> > chihuahua on your BBQ? Splendid!
>
> Naaah!
> Isn't worth it. Only skin and bones.
>
> Bye, Sanne.

You're totally right about that. Those dogs give me the creeps.

https://www.idausa.org/bill-ban-dog-...-fails-hawaii/

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:24:59 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/3/2017 8:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>>>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>>>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>>>
>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>
>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
>> them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
>> meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
>> of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
>> don't want to eat.
>>
>I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
>vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes. They
>pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the ingredient
>labels on things like Boca Burgers:
>
>WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF
>METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST EXTRACT,
>SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR
>(NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE.
>
>Can't wait to dig in! LOL

I wouldn't want to eat that either. But that doesn't make me want to
eat a dead pig.

On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 17:55:35 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
> wrote:

>On Thu 03 Aug 2017 10:24:59a, jmcquown told us...
>
>> I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
>> vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes.
>> They pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the
>> ingredient labels on things like Boca Burgers:
>>
>> WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN
>> 2% OF METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST
>> EXTRACT, SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND
>> ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR (NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM
>> INOSINATE.
>>
>> Can't wait to dig in! LOL
>>
>> Jill
>>
>When you see what some of these faux meats are made of, it's rather
>disgusting. I love vegetables, but eat them like vegatables for
>cripeake. If you veatarians out there crave your faux meats, then
>your mindset is definitely not vegetarian.

You have no idea what you're talking about and since you have me
killfiled, I can't inform you either. This is how the uninformed stay
uninformed.

On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 20:34:44 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 11:13:11 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:36:10 AM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> >> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>> >
>>>> >Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>> >
>>>> >My husband is disappointed that it looks as if we won't be able to roast
>>>> >a whole pig this year.
>>>> >
>>>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>>Several things. Mainly that he's having trouble with his back and shoulders, and roasting a pig is a lot of physical labor.
>>>
>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>Oh, sorry to hear that. That back thing is a bummer when cooking.
>>You're never really bending over and never really standing straight. I
>>thought it was a pig thing. Maybe next year.
>
>Unsupported bending. It used to do me in every time. It would hurt to
>do dishes, fold laundry, and other such things. When I complained to
>my doctor, she insinuated that I was malingering because I didn't want
>to do housework.
>
>I went to a physiotherapist and he fixed me right up.
>
>Doris

really. . .something to think about. All the things you said.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 07:26:29 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>
>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>
>I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
>and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
>dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
>you can't hack giving it up.

Thanks for the advice, Mrs Meat Eater. But what if you like the taste
of meat but don't want animals to die for your tastebuds? That's where
faux meat comes in.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 10:47:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>
>> I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
>> and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
>> dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
>> you can't hack giving it up.
>>
>> Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
>> else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
>>
>
>My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
>the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
>other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
>They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
>out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.

Is this the source of your vegetarian PTSD?

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:34:16 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/3/2017 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>
>> I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
>> and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
>> dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
>> you can't hack giving it up.
>>
>I don't tell vegetarians what to eat. I like meat; this is a cooking
>newsgroup so I post about cooking it. I just got back from the grocery
>store. I bought more non-meat items than anything else. Lentils,
>beans, acorn squash, corn, artichokes. Meat does not necessarily have
>to be in every meal.
>
>> Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
>> else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>Exactly. Vegetarians bring up their eating preferences more often (I'm
>talking about in person, say at a party or other social gathering) than
>do omnivores.

If you stick anything you can get your hands on, in your gob, there's
little to say, isn't there?

On 8/3/2017 1:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-08-03 12:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
>>> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
>>> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
>>> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
>>> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
>>
>> It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty
>> innocuous, inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook
>> meat would be like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat
>> i.e., it ain't gonna happen.
>
> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
>
>

So if a Rabi came to your house and you made him borscht would you
expect a Rabi to make you a pork chop?

On 8/3/2017 1:55 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 03 Aug 2017 10:24:59a, jmcquown told us...
>
>> On 8/3/2017 8:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it.
>>>>> Otherwise I go months without thinking about faux meat, even
>>>>> while happily (and frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan
>>>>> meals.
>>>>
>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with
>>>> faux meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong.
>>>> Vegetarians should be telling us what to do, not the other way
>>>> around.
>>>
>>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view
>>> about them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is
>>> just like meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat.
>>> There are lots of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap
>>> imitations of the stuff they don't want to eat.
>>>
>> I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
>> vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes.
>> They pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the
>> ingredient labels on things like Boca Burgers:
>>
>> WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN
>> 2% OF METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST
>> EXTRACT, SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND
>> ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR (NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM
>> INOSINATE.
>>
>> Can't wait to dig in! LOL
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> When you see what some of these faux meats are made of, it's rather
> disgusting. I love vegetables, but eat them like vegatables for
> cripeake. If you veatarians out there crave your faux meats, then
> your mindset is definitely not vegetarian.
>
That's pretty much my point. I don't mind if anyone enjoys a
vegetarian diet. But why try to create faux meat? They must be craving
something. You can't tell me it's soy protein, methylcellulose, caramel
color.

The above ingredients don't sound very healthy to me. And yes, I've
tried Boca Burgers. Once. That conglomeration of crap will never
replace a good beef burger in my kitchen.

Jill

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 8:11:29 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:56:52 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > >> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > >> >> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
> > >> >> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
> > >> >> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
> > >> >> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
> > >> >> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
> > >> >> > you can't hack giving it up.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
> > >> >> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week.
> > >> >> When
> > >> >> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
> > >> >> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
> > >> >> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
> > >> >> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
> > >> >
> > >> > It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty
> > >> > innocuous,
> > >> > inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be
> > >> > like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't
> > >> > gonna
> > >> > happen.
> > >>
> > >> ====
> > >>
> > >> Americans ate horsemeat a lot in the not so distant past, until it was
> > >> banned for sale for humans.
> > >>
> > >> Cheri
> > >
> > > If you want to get technical, some Americans still eat horse and dog meat.
> > > My point was that it was unreasonable to expect a vegetarian to grill up a
> > > nice, juicy, steak.
> > >
> >
> >
> > My point, obviously, was in reply to your statement "American to eat dog or
> > horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna happen." Nothing technical about it at all.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> You're not supposed to take me literally. I already know that Americans eat dog and horse meat, even today. Heck they even eat moose and squirrel. I prefer to write short and sweet. Why spoil the lines of a post with qualifications and technicalities?

Accurate and clear communication.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 15:14:24 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/3/2017 1:55 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Thu 03 Aug 2017 10:24:59a, jmcquown told us...
>>
>>> On 8/3/2017 8:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it.
>>>>>> Otherwise I go months without thinking about faux meat, even
>>>>>> while happily (and frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan
>>>>>> meals.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with
>>>>> faux meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong.
>>>>> Vegetarians should be telling us what to do, not the other way
>>>>> around.
>>>>
>>>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view
>>>> about them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is
>>>> just like meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat.
>>>> There are lots of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap
>>>> imitations of the stuff they don't want to eat.
>>>>
>>> I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
>>> vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes.
>>> They pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the
>>> ingredient labels on things like Boca Burgers:
>>>
>>> WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN
>>> 2% OF METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST
>>> EXTRACT, SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND
>>> ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR (NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM
>>> INOSINATE.
>>>
>>> Can't wait to dig in! LOL
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>
>> When you see what some of these faux meats are made of, it's rather
>> disgusting. I love vegetables, but eat them like vegatables for
>> cripeake. If you veatarians out there crave your faux meats, then
>> your mindset is definitely not vegetarian.
>>
>That's pretty much my point. I don't mind if anyone enjoys a
>vegetarian diet. But why try to create faux meat? They must be craving
>something.

Yay, breakthrough! Maybe they're craving meat. Why do you all seem to
think that vegetarians hate the taste of meat?

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 15:07:29 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/3/2017 1:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-08-03 12:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>>> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
>>>> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
>>>> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
>>>> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
>>>> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
>>>
>>> It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty
>>> innocuous, inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook
>>> meat would be like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat
>>> i.e., it ain't gonna happen.
>>
>> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
>> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
>>
>>
>
>So if a Rabi came to your house and you made him borscht would you
>expect a Rabi to make you a pork chop?

If meat eaters wanted to cook meat on our BBQ, I'd say no. I also
wouldn't ask a rabi or a muslim if I can cook pork on their BBQ.

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 9:19:16 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 8:11:29 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > > "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:56:52 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > > >> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > >> ...
> > > >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > >> >> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > >> >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
> > > >> >> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
> > > >> >> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
> > > >> >> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
> > > >> >> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
> > > >> >> > you can't hack giving it up.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
> > > >> >> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week.
> > > >> >> When
> > > >> >> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
> > > >> >> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
> > > >> >> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
> > > >> >> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty
> > > >> > innocuous,
> > > >> > inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be
> > > >> > like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't
> > > >> > gonna
> > > >> > happen.
> > > >>
> > > >> ====
> > > >>
> > > >> Americans ate horsemeat a lot in the not so distant past, until it was
> > > >> banned for sale for humans.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheri
> > > >
> > > > If you want to get technical, some Americans still eat horse and dog meat.
> > > > My point was that it was unreasonable to expect a vegetarian to grill up a
> > > > nice, juicy, steak.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > My point, obviously, was in reply to your statement "American to eat dog or
> > > horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna happen." Nothing technical about it at all.
> > >
> > > Cheri
> >
> > You're not supposed to take me literally. I already know that Americans eat dog and horse meat, even today. Heck they even eat moose and squirrel. I prefer to write short and sweet. Why spoil the lines of a post with qualifications and technicalities?
>
> Accurate and clear communication.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

We're not writing technical manuals or legal briefs here - or are we? You get the last word.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 8:11:29 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:56:52 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> >> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with
> >> >> >> faux
> >> >> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong.
> >> >> >> Vegetarians
> >> >> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
> >> >> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
> >> >> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
> >> >> > you can't hack giving it up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
> >> >> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week.
> >> >> When
> >> >> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers
> >> >> and
> >> >> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
> >> >> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to
> >> >> go
> >> >> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
> >> >
> >> > It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty
> >> > innocuous,
> >> > inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would
> >> > be
> >> > like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't
> >> > gonna
> >> > happen.
> >>
> >> ====
> >>
> >> Americans ate horsemeat a lot in the not so distant past, until it was
> >> banned for sale for humans.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > If you want to get technical, some Americans still eat horse and dog
> > meat.
> > My point was that it was unreasonable to expect a vegetarian to grill up
> > a
> > nice, juicy, steak.
> >
>
>
> My point, obviously, was in reply to your statement "American to eat dog
> or
> horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna happen." Nothing technical about it at
> all.
>
> Cheri

You're not supposed to take me literally. I already know that Americans eat
dog and horse meat, even today. Heck they even eat moose and squirrel. I
prefer to write short and sweet. Why spoil the lines of a post with
qualifications and technicalities? That sucks. You get to have the last
word.

======

If you post literally, you will be taken literally. Pretty simple, so own
it.

Cheri

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:24:59 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 8/3/2017 8:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>>>>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>>>>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>>>>
>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>>
>>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
>>> them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
>>> meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
>>> of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
>>> don't want to eat.
>>>
>>I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
>>vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes. They
>>pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the ingredient
>>labels on things like Boca Burgers:
>>
>>WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF
>>METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST EXTRACT,
>>SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR
>>(NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE.
>>
>>Can't wait to dig in! LOL
>
> I wouldn't want to eat that either. But that doesn't make me want to
> eat a dead pig.


I'd much rather eat a dead pig than a live one, but maybe that's just me.

Cheri

On 8/3/2017 3:36 PM, Bruce wrote:

>>> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
>>> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> So if a Rabi came to your house and you made him borscht would you
>> expect a Rabi to make you a pork chop?
>
> If meat eaters wanted to cook meat on our BBQ, I'd say no. I also
> wouldn't ask a rabi or a muslim if I can cook pork on their BBQ.
>

I had a friend that is vegetarian. When he came to our house we had
fish or other non meat dishes. We don't have meat every day so it was
not a burden at all, just another meal with seafood or otherwise meatless.

If we had a meal at his house, it was, of course, meatless. Again, not
a big deal, he was an excellent cook. We respected his lifestyle
without hurting ours.

Vegan can be tougher, but I see no reason to worry/complain/fret or make
a big deal of it.

I was brought up Catholic and Fridays were meatless. I could never
understand why it was OK to eat lobster but not a hot dog. Twisted
symbolism, IMO.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:00:18 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:24:59 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/3/2017 8:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>>>>>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>>>>>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>>>
>>>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
>>>> them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
>>>> meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
>>>> of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
>>>> don't want to eat.
>>>>
>>>I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
>>>vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes. They
>>>pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the ingredient
>>>labels on things like Boca Burgers:
>>>
>>>WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF
>>>METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST EXTRACT,
>>>SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR
>>>(NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE.
>>>
>>>Can't wait to dig in! LOL
>>
>> I wouldn't want to eat that either. But that doesn't make me want to
>> eat a dead pig.
>
>
>I'd much rather eat a dead pig than a live one, but maybe that's just me.

Yes, as far as I know, only the Japanese eat things that are still
alive. At least, you know it's fresh.

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 20:34:44 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 11:13:11 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:36:10 AM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> >> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>> >
>>>> >Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>> >
>>>> >My husband is disappointed that it looks as if we won't be able to
>>>> >roast
>>>> >a whole pig this year.
>>>> >
>>>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> Why not?
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>>Several things. Mainly that he's having trouble with his back and
>>>shoulders, and roasting a pig is a lot of physical labor.
>>>
>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>Oh, sorry to hear that. That back thing is a bummer when cooking.
>>You're never really bending over and never really standing straight. I
>>thought it was a pig thing. Maybe next year.
>
>Unsupported bending. It used to do me in every time. It would hurt to
>do dishes, fold laundry, and other such things. When I complained to
>my doctor, she insinuated that I was malingering because I didn't want
>to do housework.
>
>I went to a physiotherapist and he fixed me right up.
>
>Doris

really. . .something to think about. All the things you said.

==

You've had your problems for a number of years now if memory serves Do
you still suffer with them?



--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 16:02:11 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>I had a friend that is vegetarian. When he came to our house we had
>fish or other non meat dishes. We don't have meat every day so it was
>not a burden at all, just another meal with seafood or otherwise meatless.
>
>If we had a meal at his house, it was, of course, meatless. Again, not
>a big deal, he was an excellent cook. We respected his lifestyle
>without hurting ours.
>
>Vegan can be tougher, but I see no reason to worry/complain/fret or make
>a big deal of it.

I don't see the problem either. It's not like a meat eater goes into
withdrawal when they don't eat meat for a day. And I don't have a
problem when a meat eater eats meat in front of me in their own house.

>I was brought up Catholic and Fridays were meatless. I could never
>understand why it was OK to eat lobster but not a hot dog. Twisted
>symbolism, IMO.

Organised religion always becomes silly, IMO, especially with food
rules. Jews can't eat caviar because sturgeon don't have scales. Quoi?

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:04:20 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:00:18 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:24:59 -0400, jmcquown >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 8/3/2017 8:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
> >>>>>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
> >>>>>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
> >>>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
> >>>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
> >>>>
> >>>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
> >>>> them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
> >>>> meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
> >>>> of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
> >>>> don't want to eat.
> >>>>
> >>>I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
> >>>vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes. They
> >>>pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the ingredient
> >>>labels on things like Boca Burgers:
> >>>
> >>>WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF
> >>>METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST EXTRACT,
> >>>SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR
> >>>(NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE.
> >>>
> >>>Can't wait to dig in! LOL
> >>
> >> I wouldn't want to eat that either. But that doesn't make me want to
> >> eat a dead pig.
> >
> >
> >I'd much rather eat a dead pig than a live one, but maybe that's just me.
>
> Yes, as far as I know, only the Japanese eat things that are still
> alive. At least, you know it's fresh.

My understanding is that Koreans will eat live octopus. That sounds a little dangerous to me. You know that puss is not going to go down easily.

https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com...h-korean-c.jpg

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...

> Organised religion always becomes silly, IMO, especially with food
> rules. Jews can't eat caviar because sturgeon don't have scales. Quoi?


That's how I feel about organized vegetarians.

Cheri

On 8/3/2017 4:02 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> I was brought up Catholic and Fridays were meatless. I could never
> understand why it was OK to eat lobster but not a hot dog. Twisted
> symbolism, IMO.

How true. Better to eat bugs that come from the sea.

Jill

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:19:25 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>
>> Organised religion always becomes silly, IMO, especially with food
>> rules. Jews can't eat caviar because sturgeon don't have scales. Quoi?
>
>
>That's how I feel about organized vegetarians.

It's not that hard to understand when someone cares about animals, is
it? No supernatural, no leaps of faith, no ancient books. Just animal
welfare.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 21:04:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 20:34:44 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 11:13:11 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:36:10 AM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> >> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >My husband is disappointed that it looks as if we won't be able to
>>>>> >roast
>>>>> >a whole pig this year.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>>Several things. Mainly that he's having trouble with his back and
>>>>shoulders, and roasting a pig is a lot of physical labor.
>>>>
>>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>>Oh, sorry to hear that. That back thing is a bummer when cooking.
>>>You're never really bending over and never really standing straight. I
>>>thought it was a pig thing. Maybe next year.
>>
>>Unsupported bending. It used to do me in every time. It would hurt to
>>do dishes, fold laundry, and other such things. When I complained to
>>my doctor, she insinuated that I was malingering because I didn't want
>>to do housework.
>>
>>I went to a physiotherapist and he fixed me right up.
>>
>>Doris
>
>really. . .something to think about. All the things you said.
>
>==
>
>You've had your problems for a number of years now if memory serves Do
>you still suffer with them?

I'm still calling it 'aging.'
Janet US

On 2017-08-03 1:34 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/3/2017 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> Exactly. Vegetarians bring up their eating preferences more often (I'm
> talking about in person, say at a party or other social gathering) than
> do omnivores.
>


Reminds me of a joke about three women who walked into a bar. One was a
lawyer, one was a vegan and one was into cross fit. They told everyone
within five minutes.

On 2017-08-03 1:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-08-03 12:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:

>> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
>> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
>
> So you wouldn't mind accommodating somebody who wanted some grill some chihuahua on your BBQ? Splendid!

You expect me to get into an argument to protect a Chihauhua?