On 2017-08-03 2:30 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:23:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:

>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>
>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
>> them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
>> meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
>> of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
>> don't want to eat.
>
> But you don't like it when they eat faux meat.
>

I could explain it again but it probably still won't penetrate your mind
set.

On 2017-08-03 3:07 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/3/2017 1:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

>> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
>> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
>>
>>
>
> So if a Rabi came to your house and you made him borscht would you
> expect a Rabi to make you a pork chop?

If it helps..... I have eaten ham in the home of a Muslim.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 17:58:07 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-08-03 3:07 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/3/2017 1:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>>> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
>>> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> So if a Rabi came to your house and you made him borscht would you
>> expect a Rabi to make you a pork chop?
>
>If it helps..... I have eaten ham in the home of a Muslim.

But was the pig slaughtered in an extra painful manner, the way
muslims like it?

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 11:50:48 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-08-03 1:47 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> >> On 2017-08-03 12:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
> >> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
> >
> > So you wouldn't mind accommodating somebody who wanted some grill some chihuahua on your BBQ? Splendid!
>
> You expect me to get into an argument to protect a Chihauhua?

Good point.

On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 04:30:27 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:23:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>>>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>>>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>>>
>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>
>>WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
>>them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
>>meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
>>of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
>>don't want to eat.
>
>But you don't like it when they eat faux meat.

They can eat their faux meat all they want. We don't care, believe me.
Just please don't tell us omnivores that it's JUST LIKE MEAT! and try
to get us to eat it too. Because it isn't JUST LIKE MEAT! and we would
rather not have any.

Doris

In article >,
lid says...
>
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:19:25 -0700, "Cheri" >
> wrote:
>
> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >
> >> Organised religion always becomes silly, IMO, especially with food
> >> rules. Jews can't eat caviar because sturgeon don't have scales. Quoi?
> >
> >
> >That's how I feel about organized vegetarians.
>
> It's not that hard to understand when someone cares about animals, is
> it?

If you care so much, why pretend to eat them?

Janet UK

On 8/3/2017 8:27 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 04:30:27 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:23:08 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>>>>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>>>>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>>>>
>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>>
>>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
>>> them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
>>> meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
>>> of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
>>> don't want to eat.
>>
>> But you don't like it when they eat faux meat.
>
We don't care!

> They can eat their faux meat all they want. We don't care, believe me.
> Just please don't tell us omnivores that it's JUST LIKE MEAT!
(snip)
> Doris
>
It's silly. Vegetarians seem to need a platform. What do I care if
someone only wants to eat vegetables? I don't care. I eat lots of
vegetables. Quite often without any meat. Just don't pretend this
stuff is meat, because it isn't.

Why do vegetarians want fake meat? Just call it what it is. Soy
patties (with tons of wood pulp and chemical fillers).

Jill

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2017-08-03 3:07 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 8/3/2017 1:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
> >> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
> >> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > So if a Rabi came to your house and you made him borscht would you
> > expect a Rabi to make you a pork chop?
>
> If it helps..... I have eaten ham in the home of a Muslim.

I have had a Jew and a Buddhist Lama (senior monk) request to be fed
pork and bacon (and they ate it with pleasure).

Janet.

On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 20:27:10 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 04:30:27 +1000, Bruce >
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:23:08 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>>>>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>>>>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>>>>
>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>>
>>>WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
>>>them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
>>>meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
>>>of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
>>>don't want to eat.
>>
>>But you don't like it when they eat faux meat.
>
>They can eat their faux meat all they want. We don't care, believe me.
>Just please don't tell us omnivores that it's JUST LIKE MEAT! and try
>to get us to eat it too. Because it isn't JUST LIKE MEAT! and we would
>rather not have any.

Why are you all talking about it then? Just eat your meat and be happy

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 20:45:46 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/3/2017 8:27 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>> On Fri, 04 Aug 2017 04:30:27 +1000, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:23:08 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>>>
>>>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
>>>> them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
>>>> meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
>>>> of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
>>>> don't want to eat.
>>>
>>> But you don't like it when they eat faux meat.
>>
>We don't care!
>
>> They can eat their faux meat all they want. We don't care, believe me.
>> Just please don't tell us omnivores that it's JUST LIKE MEAT!
>(snip)
>> Doris
>>
>It's silly. Vegetarians seem to need a platform. What do I care if
>someone only wants to eat vegetables? I don't care. I eat lots of
>vegetables. Quite often without any meat. Just don't pretend this
>stuff is meat, because it isn't.
>
>Why do vegetarians want fake meat? Just call it what it is. Soy
>patties (with tons of wood pulp and chemical fillers).

There's better fake meat than you seem to think. Gluten based faux
duck, chicken and pork, for instance. It's an Asian thing. I think it
comes quite close to meat and I enjoy it. Would I try to make meat
eaters eat it? Of course not. What's the point in that?

On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 01:42:52 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:19:25 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >
>> >> Organised religion always becomes silly, IMO, especially with food
>> >> rules. Jews can't eat caviar because sturgeon don't have scales. Quoi?
>> >
>> >
>> >That's how I feel about organized vegetarians.
>>
>> It's not that hard to understand when someone cares about animals, is
>> it?
>
> If you care so much, why pretend to eat them?

I don't. Do you have a French dictionary? Look up "faux"

On 8/3/2017 8:47 PM, Janet wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 2017-08-03 3:07 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/3/2017 1:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>>> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
>>>> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> So if a Rabi came to your house and you made him borscht would you
>>> expect a Rabi to make you a pork chop?
>>
>> If it helps..... I have eaten ham in the home of a Muslim.
>
> I have had a Jew and a Buddhist Lama (senior monk) request to be fed
> pork and bacon (and they ate it with pleasure).
>
> Janet.
>

Sure, many Jews publicly practice the kosher laws but privately enjoy
pork products and lobster. A couple of centuries ago some of the
dietary restrictions made sense but with modern farming and sanitation,
less so today.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 21:12:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/3/2017 8:47 PM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >,
>> says...
>>>
>>> On 2017-08-03 3:07 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/3/2017 1:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
>>>>> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So if a Rabi came to your house and you made him borscht would you
>>>> expect a Rabi to make you a pork chop?
>>>
>>> If it helps..... I have eaten ham in the home of a Muslim.
>>
>> I have had a Jew and a Buddhist Lama (senior monk) request to be fed
>> pork and bacon (and they ate it with pleasure).
>>
>> Janet.
>>
>
>Sure, many Jews publicly practice the kosher laws but privately enjoy
>pork products and lobster. A couple of centuries ago some of the
>dietary restrictions made sense but with modern farming and sanitation,
>less so today.

Unless they plan to go for a weeks long walk through the desert with
their pork and lobster of course.

In article >,
lid says...

> >> It's not that hard to understand when someone cares about animals, is
> >> it?
> >
> > If you care so much, why pretend to eat them?
>
> I don't. Do you have a French dictionary? Look up "faux"

Eating imitation pig is pretending to eat real pigs and enjoying it.
It's the hypocritical thought that counts.

Janet UK

On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 02:17:06 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>
>> >> It's not that hard to understand when someone cares about animals, is
>> >> it?
>> >
>> > If you care so much, why pretend to eat them?
>>
>> I don't. Do you have a French dictionary? Look up "faux"
>
> Eating imitation pig is pretending to eat real pigs and enjoying it.
>It's the hypocritical thought that counts.

I like the taste of pork but I don't want to kill and eat a pig. So I
eat faux pork once a year. What's the big deal? Everybody lived
happily ever after, especially the pig.

On Fri, 4 Aug 2017 01:42:52 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:19:25 -0700, "Cheri" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >
>> >> Organised religion always becomes silly, IMO, especially with food
>> >> rules. Jews can't eat caviar because sturgeon don't have scales. Quoi?
>> >
>> >
>> >That's how I feel about organized vegetarians.
>>
>> It's not that hard to understand when someone cares about animals, is
>> it?
>
> If you care so much, why pretend to eat them?
>
> Janet UK

Every kosher appetizing store in NYC I've ever been to sold smoked
sturgeon... and sturgeon caviar. By definition Appys are kosher as
they only sell dairy and fish, no meat. I've never met a NYC Appy
that wasn't Strictly Kosher and all sold sturgeon.

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:24:59 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 8/3/2017 8:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>>>>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>>>>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>>>>
>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>>
>>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
>>> them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
>>> meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
>>> of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
>>> don't want to eat.
>>>
>>I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
>>vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes. They
>>pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the ingredient
>>labels on things like Boca Burgers:
>>
>>WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF
>>METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST EXTRACT,
>>SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR
>>(NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE.
>>
>>Can't wait to dig in! LOL
>
> I wouldn't want to eat that either. But that doesn't make me want to
> eat a dead pig.


I'd much rather eat a dead pig than a live one, but maybe that's just me.

Cheri

==

Pah you are just picky ..



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"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 21:04:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 20:34:44 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 11:13:11 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:36:10 AM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> >> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >My husband is disappointed that it looks as if we won't be able to
>>>>> >roast
>>>>> >a whole pig this year.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not?
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>>Several things. Mainly that he's having trouble with his back and
>>>>shoulders, and roasting a pig is a lot of physical labor.
>>>>
>>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>>Oh, sorry to hear that. That back thing is a bummer when cooking.
>>>You're never really bending over and never really standing straight. I
>>>thought it was a pig thing. Maybe next year.
>>
>>Unsupported bending. It used to do me in every time. It would hurt to
>>do dishes, fold laundry, and other such things. When I complained to
>>my doctor, she insinuated that I was malingering because I didn't want
>>to do housework.
>>
>>I went to a physiotherapist and he fixed me right up.
>>
>>Doris
>
>really. . .something to think about. All the things you said.
>
>==
>
>You've had your problems for a number of years now if memory serves Do
>you still suffer with them?

I'm still calling it 'aging.'
Janet US

==

Humph!

Why not try a physiotherapist. It might knock years off you ;-)





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On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 3:53:55 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 9:19:16 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 2:22:57 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 8:11:29 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > > > "dsi1" <dsi1yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:56:52 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> > > > >> "dsi1" <dsi1ahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> ...
> > > > >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> > > > >> >> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > > >> >> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
> > > > >> >> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
> > > > >> >> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
> > > > >> >> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
> > > > >> >> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
> > > > >> >> > you can't hack giving it up.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
> > > > >> >> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week.
> > > > >> >> When
> > > > >> >> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
> > > > >> >> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
> > > > >> >> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
> > > > >> >> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty
> > > > >> > innocuous,
> > > > >> > inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be
> > > > >> > like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't
> > > > >> > gonna
> > > > >> > happen.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ====
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Americans ate horsemeat a lot in the not so distant past, until it was
> > > > >> banned for sale for humans.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheri
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to get technical, some Americans still eat horse and dog meat.
> > > > > My point was that it was unreasonable to expect a vegetarian to grill up a
> > > > > nice, juicy, steak.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > My point, obviously, was in reply to your statement "American to eat dog or
> > > > horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna happen." Nothing technical about it at all.
> > > >
> > > > Cheri
> > >
> > > You're not supposed to take me literally. I already know that Americans eat dog and horse meat, even today. Heck they even eat moose and squirrel. I prefer to write short and sweet. Why spoil the lines of a post with qualifications and technicalities?
> >
> > Accurate and clear communication.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
> We're not writing technical manuals or legal briefs here - or are we? You get the last word.

No, but we are trying to communicate here. No communication happens unless
you write what you mean.

Or, you could use some emoticons or go back to writing "hee hee".

Cindy Hamilton

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 9:12:43 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/3/2017 8:47 PM, Janet wrote:
> > In article >,
> > says...
> >>
> >> On 2017-08-03 3:07 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 8/3/2017 1:33 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >>>> They were not expecting them to handle meat. They did not want them to
> >>>> cook meat on their BBQ. Accommodation is supposed to be mutual.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> So if a Rabi came to your house and you made him borscht would you
> >>> expect a Rabi to make you a pork chop?
> >>
> >> If it helps..... I have eaten ham in the home of a Muslim.
> >
> > I have had a Jew and a Buddhist Lama (senior monk) request to be fed
> > pork and bacon (and they ate it with pleasure).
> >
> > Janet.
> >
>
> Sure, many Jews publicly practice the kosher laws but privately enjoy
> pork products and lobster. A couple of centuries ago some of the
> dietary restrictions made sense but with modern farming and sanitation,
> less so today.

It still marks them as part of the "in group" rather than the "out group".

Cindy Hamilton

On Friday, August 4, 2017 at 4:35:56 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> I'd much rather eat a dead pig than a live one, but maybe that's just me.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Pah you are just picky ..

I wouldn't want to eat a live pig on personal safety grounds. They're...
stroppy.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/3/2017 9:56 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 03 Aug 2017 05:45:46p, jmcquown told us...
>>>
>> It's silly. Vegetarians seem to need a platform. What do I care
>> if someone only wants to eat vegetables? I don't care. I eat
>> lots of vegetables. Quite often without any meat. Just don't
>> pretend this stuff is meat, because it isn't.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Some practices are just plain silly. Years ago my work group had a
> pot luck in the park. It was a large group and there were many
> dishes, including meats that some brouht to grill. I brought a large
> bean and vegetable salad. There was one couple who were vegan, but I
> didn't know it. The husband asked me what was in the salad because
> it looked so good. I gave him a rundown of what it contained and he
> asked what I had dressed it with. I hadn't made an actual dressing,
> but had drizzled two tablespoons of bacon drippings, some vinegar,
> and various herbs, and salt, pepper, and a teaspoon of two of sugar.
> He replied that in that case they couldn't eat it even though it
> looked so good. By the expession on his face, you'd have thought I
> had added poison to it. Their loss. There wasn't a spoonful left by
> the time we finished eating.
>
They definitely would not have eaten my grandma's German potato salad.

Jill

"Cindy Hamilton" wrote in message
...

On Friday, August 4, 2017 at 4:35:56 AM UTC-4, Ophelia wrote:
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> I'd much rather eat a dead pig than a live one, but maybe that's just me.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Pah you are just picky ..

I wouldn't want to eat a live pig on personal safety grounds. They're...
stroppy.

Cindy Hamilton

==

*rolls eyes*



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On 8/4/2017 12:51 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:55:20 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> On 8/2/2017 10:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>>> There are various brands of vegetable based bacon bits. The are
>>> basically an artificially flavoured soy product with a crisp texture,
>>> not even suitable for a salad topping.
>>
>> Yeah, BacO's or some such nonsense. Soy based crispy things that are
>> allegedly just like bacon bits! No, they're not.
>
> I kinda like the Bac-O style textured vegetable protein on salads and
> potatoes. At least until they get soggy. I don't pretend they're
> bacon and I will use them if available at a salad bar. But I won't
> buy them since they're more expensive then real bacon ($1.75 for
> 3.25oz
>
> -sw
>
My mom bought Bac-O's when I was a kid. I'd snack on a them. I'm not
saying they're awful but they definitely weren't bacon. Just soy based
stuff with a lot of artificial ingredients. Hey, if this person Bruce
talked about makes a lot of money selling something that makes things
*taste* like bacon, more power to him! I still won't be buying it.

Jill

On 8/4/2017 11:49 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 04 Aug 2017 04:03:15a, jmcquown told us...
>
>> On 8/3/2017 9:56 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Thu 03 Aug 2017 05:45:46p, jmcquown told us...
>>>>>
>>>> It's silly. Vegetarians seem to need a platform. What do I
>>>> care if someone only wants to eat vegetables? I don't care. I
>>>> eat lots of vegetables. Quite often without any meat. Just
>>>> don't pretend this stuff is meat, because it isn't.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> Some practices are just plain silly. Years ago my work group had
>>> a pot luck in the park. It was a large group and there were many
>>> dishes, including meats that some brouht to grill. I brought a
>>> large bean and vegetable salad. There was one couple who were
>>> vegan, but I didn't know it. The husband asked me what was in
>>> the salad because it looked so good. I gave him a rundown of
>>> what it contained and he asked what I had dressed it with. I
>>> hadn't made an actual dressing, but had drizzled two tablespoons
>>> of bacon drippings, some vinegar, and various herbs, and salt,
>>> pepper, and a teaspoon of two of sugar. He replied that in that
>>> case they couldn't eat it even though it looked so good. By the
>>> expession on his face, you'd have thought I had added poison to
>>> it. Their loss. There wasn't a spoonful left by the time we
>>> finished eating.
>>>
>> They definitely would not have eaten my grandma's German potato
>> salad.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> Jill, unless it's a family secret, would you mind posting your
> grandma's German Potato Salad recipe?
>
> TIA
>
No family secrets here. I'd have to dig through some old recipe boxes
to find it. There's really nothing special about it except it does
involve crumbled bacon and vinegar and it's served warm. <shrug>

Jill

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news
> On 8/2/2017 6:56 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>
>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>
>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>> thing?
>>
>
> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing. Most
> of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste. Even where
> meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
>
> If this stuff is truly good tasting, I can see a lot of uses for it in
> place of bacon but I'm not sure it can 100% replace it.

Turkey bacon is disgusting!

Some years ago, I bought a soy bacon on occasion. Not sure if they still
make that brand. Was really good. Husband even liked it. You could heat it
in a skillet or in the microwave. We were staying in a motel as we were
fixing to make a cross county move and I made some in the microwave.
Apparently that microwave had a different wattage than mine because it
burned to a nasty crisp in no time flat. Smoke went everywhere, and my
parents who were staying in the room next door were not very happy with me.
I've never eaten fake bacon again expect for Bacos on occasion if I find
them on a salad bar.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2017-08-02 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing. Most
>> of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste. Even where
>> meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
>
> My nephew and his wife are vegetarian and were always pushing their veggie
> burgers and veggie dogs, claiming they are just like meat. Well, they
> aren't just like meat. Meat is just like meat.

I used to by the All American style Bocca burgers. Could get them for next
to nothing at the military commissary. Everyone loved them and always asked
me what kind of meat it was. They'd never believe me when I told them so I'd
have to show them the package.

>>If this stuff is truly good tasting, I can see a lot of uses for it in
>> place of bacon but I'm not sure it can 100% replace it.
>
> There are various brands of vegetable based bacon bits. The are basically
> an artificially flavoured soy product with a crisp texture, not even
> suitable for a salad topping.

Bacos are nummy.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 8/2/2017 10:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-08-02 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing.
>>> Most of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste.
>>> Even where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
>>
>> My nephew and his wife are vegetarian and were always pushing their
>> veggie burgers and veggie dogs, claiming they are just like meat. Well,
>> they aren't just like meat. Meat is just like meat.
>>
> Oy! Morningstar Farms, Boca burgers. If vegetarians want to imagine
> these products are just like meat, fine. They aren't. (Yes, I've tried
> them.) They're filled with chemicals and oh boy, don't you dare be on the
> gluten free bandwagon.
>
> I have to wonder why vegetarians keep trying create meat-like products.
> Could it be they're craving meat?

I doubt it was a vegetarian who dreamed those up. I liked them and ate them
before I knew any better, mostly because they were cheap and quick to fix.
At that point I was often feeding a lot of little kids and occasionally a
male neighbor who didn't know how to cook. If his wife was away he would
often come over to our place to eat.

I used to buy these on occasion. I liked the Black Bean and Angela liked the
BBQ. She liked hers cooked so it was soft. I accidentally cooked mine too
long and it was crisp. I liked it that way. We didn't eat buns with them.
Since mine was crisp, I could just pick it up with my hand. Neither patty
tasted like meat nor did we expect them to. I can't speak for the other
flavors.

http://www.sunshineburger.com/

I originally bought them for next to nothing at the health food store that
was near us. Had a coupon and this store had excellent prices on most
things. We liked them. They were super quick to fix, so I did buy them once
in a while. That store is gone now and the price is higher at other places.
I no longer buy them unless Angela asks for them, which hasn't been for some
long time. I don't really need them. They were good but a can of beans works
equally well for me.
>
>>> If this stuff is truly good tasting, I can see a lot of uses for it in
>>> place of bacon but I'm not sure it can 100% replace it.
>>
>> There are various brands of vegetable based bacon bits. The are
>> basically an artificially flavoured soy product with a crisp texture,
>> not even suitable for a salad topping.
>
> Yeah, BacO's or some such nonsense. Soy based crispy things that are
> allegedly just like bacon bits! No, they're not.
>
> Jill

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:55:20 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 8/2/2017 10:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-08-02 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>
>>>> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing.
>>>> Most of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste.
>>>> Even where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
>>>
>>> My nephew and his wife are vegetarian and were always pushing their
>>> veggie burgers and veggie dogs, claiming they are just like meat. Well,
>>> they aren't just like meat. Meat is just like meat.
>>>
>>Oy! Morningstar Farms, Boca burgers. If vegetarians want to imagine
>>these products are just like meat, fine. They aren't. (Yes, I've tried
>>them.)
>
> I agree. They taste so-so and the ingredient list is a science
> project.
>
>>They're filled with chemicals and oh boy, don't you dare be on
>>the gluten free bandwagon.
>
> Yes, the faux duck that I like is a total gluten product.
>
>>I have to wonder why vegetarians keep trying create meat-like products.
>> Could it be they're craving meat?
>
> I don't eat meat, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it. I'm not
> against the flavour.
>
> (...)

I wonder what their stance is on falafel? Wouldn't that be similar? I love
the stuff but would never think of it as fake meat.

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> >> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>> >
>>> >Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>
>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>>> thing?
>>
>>I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend to
>>be meat.
>
> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.

I do the same. Always bugs me when someone messed stuff like this up with
soy crumbles. Why? Ick.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:14:16 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>>On 2017-08-02 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>>>>> thing?
>>>>
>>>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend
>>>> to be meat.
>>>
>>> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
>>> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
>>> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>>>
>>
>>I have had great vegetarian dishes. They were not attempts to fabricate
>>some sort of pretend meat.
>
> Imagine you like meat, but you don't want to kill animals for your
> food. I know that's not you, but just imagine for a moment. Think
> outside the box. Put yourself in someone else's position.
>
> You want to eat meat, but you don't want to kill animals... hmmm...
> what to do? And suddenly you've got an idea! Faux meat! Flavour
> without cruelty! Yumm!

Some vegetarians are that way. That's kind of what Angela did when she went
vegetarian. She was going to try to do it for a year. I think she missed the
mark by a day. The craving for chicken just became overwhelming.

I do love animals and don't necessarily want to eat them. But my cats need
to eat meat and fish. And I do use some leather things. For me, I find that
in terms of digestion I feel better if I don't eat meat. And it's cheaper
not to eat it. However, I will eventually go anemic if I don't eat some meat
once or twice a week. I think part of the problem is my screwed up digestion
now. I was actually a vegetarian for many years but as my health problems
increase as well as the number of pills I have to take, more vitamin
deficiencies appear. For whatever reason, I've been lacking in the B
vitamins since high school and now that I take Metformin, that's even worse.
Depletes the B12.

On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 01:12:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:55:20 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/2/2017 10:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-08-02 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing.
>>>>> Most of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste.
>>>>> Even where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
>>>>
>>>> My nephew and his wife are vegetarian and were always pushing their
>>>> veggie burgers and veggie dogs, claiming they are just like meat. Well,
>>>> they aren't just like meat. Meat is just like meat.
>>>>
>>>Oy! Morningstar Farms, Boca burgers. If vegetarians want to imagine
>>>these products are just like meat, fine. They aren't. (Yes, I've tried
>>>them.)
>>
>> I agree. They taste so-so and the ingredient list is a science
>> project.
>>
>>>They're filled with chemicals and oh boy, don't you dare be on
>>>the gluten free bandwagon.
>>
>> Yes, the faux duck that I like is a total gluten product.
>>
>>>I have to wonder why vegetarians keep trying create meat-like products.
>>> Could it be they're craving meat?
>>
>> I don't eat meat, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it. I'm not
>> against the flavour.
>>
>> (...)
>
>I wonder what their stance is on falafel? Wouldn't that be similar? I love
>the stuff but would never think of it as fake meat.

I love them too. Maybe they're against it because with a bit of
imagination falafel balls can look like meat balls.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/2/2017 10:36 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:14:16 -0400, Dave Smith
>>
>>>
>>> I have had great vegetarian dishes. They were not attempts to fabricate
>>> some sort of pretend meat.
>>
>> Imagine you like meat, but you don't want to kill animals for your
>> food. I know that's not you, but just imagine for a moment. Think
>> outside the box. Put yourself in someone else's position.
>>
>> You want to eat meat, but you don't want to kill animals... hmmm...
>> what to do? And suddenly you've got an idea! Faux meat! Flavour
>> without cruelty! Yumm!
>>
>
> The problem with faux meat is that it does not taste like real meat or
> have the texture of real meat.
>
> As you suggest, think outside the box. How about faux ice cream? There
> are substitutes for that too and they taste like crap. Faux chocolate?
> Faux anything. If I can't have the real deal, I don't want anything.

I don't actually like ice cream. But I do like sorbet and I like the dairy
free ice cream made from coconut. Well, one flavor only. Can't remember now
which one that was. That stuff is darned expensive so not likely to buy it
again.

There is a popular raw vegan ice cream that people make at home from
bananas. Only ingredient is frozen bananas that have been put through the
food processor or Vitamix. Often served in a cone that is also made from
just bananas. They are pureed and then made into fruit leather which is
rolled into a cone shape. I never tried this but when I had an ice cream
maker, the only ice cream anyone liked that I made was the banana kind.
Perhaps this was a fault with my ice cream maker. I don't think it ever
really got cold enough so I'd have to put the ice cream in the freezer to
firm it up. Texture was just wrong. The bananas were frozen before put into
the ice cream maker so I'm sure that helped. That kind did come out right.
>
> If this guy has a real bacon sub, I'd eat it. Past experience is rather
> poor though but I'd approach it with an open mind.

> wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 22:14:46 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:09:12 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2017-08-02 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:56:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>>>> The problem with faux meat is that it does not taste like real meat or
>>>>> have the texture of real meat.
>>>>
>>>> But you don't have to worry about that, because you eat real meat.
>>>>
>>>>> As you suggest, think outside the box. How about faux ice cream?
>>>>> There
>>>>> are substitutes for that too and they taste like crap. Faux
>>>>> chocolate?
>>>>> Faux anything. If I can't have the real deal, I don't want anything.
>>>>
>>>> If it's bad, it's bad. But I don't understand why meat eaters would
>>>> have a problem with vegetarians who eat faux meat.
>>>
>>>I have made my point before about vegetarians trying to push the faux
>>>meat products on us and telling us how they taste just like meat. Well,
>>>they don't taste just like meat. Meat tastes like meat.
>>
>>That I agree with.
>
> Then why does Bacos sell so well... isn't Bacos vegetarian bacon?
> There are lots of potato chips that contain artificial bacon flavor...
> and ALL bacon flavor is artificial/vegetarian; wood smoke... that's
> the thing about bacon I detest; creosote flavored pork! Yoose bacon
> lovers are invited to lick my fireplace flue clean! LOL
> The easist way to help oneself kick the cigarette smoking habit is to
> stop indulging in smoked meat. Trying to stop smoking tobacco while
> still eating bacon is exactly the same as an alcoholic attending AA
> meetings at The Shamrock Inn.

Bacos are damned good. When I was a kid, I'd just eat them out of my hand
like a snack. We didn't have them often though.

On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 01:35:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:14:16 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>I have had great vegetarian dishes. They were not attempts to fabricate
>>>some sort of pretend meat.
>>
>> Imagine you like meat, but you don't want to kill animals for your
>> food. I know that's not you, but just imagine for a moment. Think
>> outside the box. Put yourself in someone else's position.
>>
>> You want to eat meat, but you don't want to kill animals... hmmm...
>> what to do? And suddenly you've got an idea! Faux meat! Flavour
>> without cruelty! Yumm!
>
>Some vegetarians are that way. That's kind of what Angela did when she went
>vegetarian. She was going to try to do it for a year. I think she missed the
>mark by a day. The craving for chicken just became overwhelming.

That's the thing. Just because she didn't eat eat meat, didn't
necessarily mean she didn't like the flavour of it.

>I do love animals and don't necessarily want to eat them. But my cats need
>to eat meat and fish.

We feed ours meat too. I also can't stop what happens in nature.
Predators eat other animals. They have no choice.

>And I do use some leather things. For me, I find that
>in terms of digestion I feel better if I don't eat meat. And it's cheaper
>not to eat it. However, I will eventually go anemic if I don't eat some meat
>once or twice a week. I think part of the problem is my screwed up digestion
>now. I was actually a vegetarian for many years but as my health problems
>increase as well as the number of pills I have to take, more vitamin
>deficiencies appear. For whatever reason, I've been lacking in the B
>vitamins since high school and now that I take Metformin, that's even worse.
>Depletes the B12.

I still eat fish. I don't know if that means I don't miss out on
things that I should take supplements for. So far, I seem to be ok

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> On 2017-08-02 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>>
>> >>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>> >>>
>> >>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>> >>> thing?
>> >>
>> >> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend
>> >> to be meat.
>> >
>> > There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
>> > occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
>> > onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>> >
>>
>> I have had great vegetarian dishes. They were not attempts to fabricate
>> some sort of pretend meat.
>
> Fake meat is for vegetarians who can't cook.
>
> Janet UK

Not necessarily. Many of them buy things like Tofurkey or a Celebration
Roast for holidays. I've ever actually seen recipes to make similar stuff. I
have seen recipes to make seitan which some fake meats are made of, and then
recipes for using the seitan. You'd have to be a glutton for punishment to
do all that.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:20:39 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 8/2/2017 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>>>>> thing?
>>>>
>>>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend
>>>> to be meat.
>>>
>>> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
>>> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
>>> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>>>
>>> Doris
>>>
>>Truly! What is the point of faux meat?
>
> If it tastes like meat, I might like it. Truly, why do meat eaters
> have a problem with faux meat? Why do they even spend any thoughts on
> faux meat?

True. Why would they care? Unless perhaps someone tried to serve it to them.

When I was a vegetarian and had guests over for a meal, I almost always
served them meat. Granted, sometimes it wasn't a lot of meat but it seemed
just as long as they saw meat there, they were happy. For instance, I might
do a salad bar and just put out a little ham and turkey. One exception was
my lasagna. Nobody ever complained about that. I put lots of veggies in it.
Even kids who hate veggies would eat that.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
news
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:20:39 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/2/2017 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>>>>>> thing?
>>>>>
>>>>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend
>>>>> to be meat.
>>>>
>>>> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
>>>> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
>>>> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>>>>
>>>> Doris
>>>>
>>>Truly! What is the point of faux meat?
>>
>> If it tastes like meat, I might like it. Truly, why do meat eaters
>> have a problem with faux meat? Why do they even spend any thoughts on
>> faux meat?
>
>
> Why do you spend any thoughts on what meat eaters are eating? That would
> be your answer.

I'm obviously not him and I don't really spend any thoughts on that. I don't
really care what others eat. But I sure have seen some meat eaters get nasty
about non meat things. For instance, my friend was going through a rough
patch some years ago. She was presented with some food baskets that mostly
contained beans. She fed the beans to her kids but wouldn't eat them herself
and mentioned the nasty things on almost a daily basis.

Then recently I put a post on FB about the pot of beans that I made and how
I had them all for myself. Again, she started in with the comments like...
Ugh! You can keep them all!

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:30:16 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:20:39 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >On 8/2/2017 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>>> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> >>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> >>>> > wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> >>>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the
>>> >>>> real
>>> >>>> thing?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that
>>> >>> pretend to be meat.
>>> >>
>>> >> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
>>> >> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans,
>>> >> peppers,
>>> >> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>>> >>
>>> >> Doris
>>> >>
>>> >Truly! What is the point of faux meat?
>>>
>>> If it tastes like meat, I might like it. Truly, why do meat eaters
>>> have a problem with faux meat? Why do they even spend any thoughts on
>>> faux meat?
>>
>>Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>>months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>>frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>
> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>
>

*High five*

On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 02:01:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Cheri" > wrote in message
>news
>> "Bruce" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:20:39 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 8/2/2017 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>>>>>>> thing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend
>>>>>> to be meat.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
>>>>> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
>>>>> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doris
>>>>>
>>>>Truly! What is the point of faux meat?
>>>
>>> If it tastes like meat, I might like it. Truly, why do meat eaters
>>> have a problem with faux meat? Why do they even spend any thoughts on
>>> faux meat?
>>
>>
>> Why do you spend any thoughts on what meat eaters are eating? That would
>> be your answer.
>
>I'm obviously not him and I don't really spend any thoughts on that. I don't
>really care what others eat. But I sure have seen some meat eaters get nasty
>about non meat things. For instance, my friend was going through a rough
>patch some years ago. She was presented with some food baskets that mostly
>contained beans. She fed the beans to her kids but wouldn't eat them herself
>and mentioned the nasty things on almost a daily basis.
>
>Then recently I put a post on FB about the pot of beans that I made and how
>I had them all for myself. Again, she started in with the comments like...
>Ugh! You can keep them all!

Meat eaters who get offended when you don't eat meat, are like
neighbours who get offended when you don't beat up your child every
now and then.