"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 8/3/2017 1:55 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Thu 03 Aug 2017 10:24:59a, jmcquown told us...
>>
>>> On 8/3/2017 8:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it.
>>>>>> Otherwise I go months without thinking about faux meat, even
>>>>>> while happily (and frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan
>>>>>> meals.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with
>>>>> faux meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong.
>>>>> Vegetarians should be telling us what to do, not the other way
>>>>> around.
>>>>
>>>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view
>>>> about them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is
>>>> just like meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat.
>>>> There are lots of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap
>>>> imitations of the stuff they don't want to eat.
>>>>
>>> I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
>>> vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes.
>>> They pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the
>>> ingredient labels on things like Boca Burgers:
>>>
>>> WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN
>>> 2% OF METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST
>>> EXTRACT, SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND
>>> ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR (NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM
>>> INOSINATE.
>>>
>>> Can't wait to dig in! LOL
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>
>> When you see what some of these faux meats are made of, it's rather
>> disgusting. I love vegetables, but eat them like vegatables for
>> cripeake. If you veatarians out there crave your faux meats, then
>> your mindset is definitely not vegetarian.
>>
> That's pretty much my point. I don't mind if anyone enjoys a
> vegetarian diet. But why try to create faux meat? They must be craving
> something. You can't tell me it's soy protein, methylcellulose, caramel
> color.
>
> The above ingredients don't sound very healthy to me. And yes, I've tried
> Boca Burgers. Once. That conglomeration of crap will never replace a
> good beef burger in my kitchen.

I no longer eat them but when I did, they were very cheap at the military
commissary. I almost always had a coupon for them as well. I think I paid
just over a dollar for a package of 4. Can't beat that price! And when
you're broke, you just make do. In those days, nobody in our house ever had
a good burger because we didn't have enough money for that.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
news
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 13:24:59 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/3/2017 8:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I
>>>>>> go
>>>>>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>>>>>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>>>>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>>>>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>>>>
>>>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
>>>> them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
>>>> meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
>>>> of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff
>>>> they
>>>> don't want to eat.
>>>>
>>>I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
>>>vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes. They
>>>pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the ingredient
>>>labels on things like Boca Burgers:
>>>
>>>WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF
>>>METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST EXTRACT,
>>>SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR
>>>(NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM INOSINATE.
>>>
>>>Can't wait to dig in! LOL
>>
>> I wouldn't want to eat that either. But that doesn't make me want to
>> eat a dead pig.
>
>
> I'd much rather eat a dead pig than a live one, but maybe that's just me.

Live one? Ew. Toxoplasmosis!

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45...
> On Fri 04 Aug 2017 05:58:54p, jmcquown told us...
>
>> On 8/4/2017 11:49 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Fri 04 Aug 2017 04:03:15a, jmcquown told us...
>>>
>>>> On 8/3/2017 9:56 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>> On Thu 03 Aug 2017 05:45:46p, jmcquown told us...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's silly. Vegetarians seem to need a platform. What do I
>>>>>> care if someone only wants to eat vegetables? I don't care.
>>>>>> I eat lots of vegetables. Quite often without any meat. Just
>>>>>> don't pretend this stuff is meat, because it isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>
>>>>> Some practices are just plain silly. Years ago my work group
>>>>> had a pot luck in the park. It was a large group and there
>>>>> were many dishes, including meats that some brouht to grill. I
>>>>> brought a large bean and vegetable salad. There was one couple
>>>>> who were vegan, but I didn't know it. The husband asked me
>>>>> what was in the salad because it looked so good. I gave him a
>>>>> rundown of what it contained and he asked what I had dressed it
>>>>> with. I hadn't made an actual dressing, but had drizzled two
>>>>> tablespoons of bacon drippings, some vinegar, and various
>>>>> herbs, and salt, pepper, and a teaspoon of two of sugar. He
>>>>> replied that in that case they couldn't eat it even though it
>>>>> looked so good. By the expession on his face, you'd have
>>>>> thought I had added poison to it. Their loss. There wasn't a
>>>>> spoonful left by the time we finished eating.
>>>>>
>>>> They definitely would not have eaten my grandma's German potato
>>>> salad.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>
>>> Jill, unless it's a family secret, would you mind posting your
>>> grandma's German Potato Salad recipe?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>> No family secrets here. I'd have to dig through some old recipe
>> boxes to find it. There's really nothing special about it except
>> it does involve crumbled bacon and vinegar and it's served warm.
>> <shrug>
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> OH, I know, Jill, but recipes vary a lot, and there are a ton of them
> out there. I've made several versions of it, but have never been too
> happy with the results. My mother used to make it, but she either
> didn't have a recipe or it wasn't in her recipe file. I always
> enjoyed hers. Thank you...

I don't have my grandma's recipe but I wouldn't post it if I did. My dad
said the stuff gave him nightmares.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>> >
>> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
>> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
>> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
>> > you can't hack giving it up.
>> >
>> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
>> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
>> >
>>
>> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
>> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
>> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
>> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
>> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
>
> It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty innocuous,
> inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be
> like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna
> happen.

Not necessarily true. I used to cook meat for guests and then my husband
when I was a vegetarian. I would rather get some sort of precooked meat
though, especially since I was already cooking or making so many other
things, but I did do steak, pork chops, shrimp, etc., depending on who was
eating it.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 15:14:24 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/3/2017 1:55 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Thu 03 Aug 2017 10:24:59a, jmcquown told us...
>>
>>> On 8/3/2017 8:23 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it.
>>>>>> Otherwise I go months without thinking about faux meat, even
>>>>>> while happily (and frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan
>>>>>> meals.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with
>>>>> faux meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong.
>>>>> Vegetarians should be telling us what to do, not the other way
>>>>> around.
>>>>
>>>> WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view
>>>> about them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is
>>>> just like meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat.
>>>> There are lots of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap
>>>> imitations of the stuff they don't want to eat.
>>>>
>>> I don't tell people what to eat. I just think it's funny how
>>> vegetarians are always trying to come up with meat subtitutes.
>>> They pretend it's "just like meat". It's really not. Check the
>>> ingredient labels on things like Boca Burgers:
>>>
>>> WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN
>>> 2% OF METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, CARAMEL COLOR, DRIED ONIONS, YEAST
>>> EXTRACT, SESAME OIL, HYDROLYZED WHEAT PROTEIN, NATURAL AND
>>> ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR (NON-MEAT), DISODIUM GUANYLATE, DISODIUM
>>> INOSINATE.
>>>
>>> Can't wait to dig in! LOL
>>>
>>> Jill
>>>
>>
>> When you see what some of these faux meats are made of, it's rather
>> disgusting. I love vegetables, but eat them like vegatables for
>> cripeake. If you veatarians out there crave your faux meats, then
>> your mindset is definitely not vegetarian.
>>
>That's pretty much my point. I don't mind if anyone enjoys a
>vegetarian diet. But why try to create faux meat? They must be craving
>something. You can't tell me it's soy protein, methylcellulose, caramel
>color.
>
>The above ingredients don't sound very healthy to me. And yes, I've
>tried Boca Burgers. Once. That conglomeration of crap will never
>replace a good beef burger in my kitchen.

Y'all are so worried about the ingredients of crappy meat replacers,
but y'all eat the most horrific supermarkets sauces and concoctions
without ever looking at those ingredients.

And when I sometimes list them, I'm a nag and spoiling your fun and
whatnot

"Cheri" > wrote in message
news
>>> Americans ate horsemeat a lot in the not so distant past, until it was
>>> banned for sale for humans.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> They sure did. These days horse meat is relegated to use in canned dog
>> food.
>>
>> Jill
>
>
> I believe they banned it in CA for human consumption in the 90's so it
> hasn't been that long ago. If I ever had it, I didn't know it.

Rumor was that it was being served as burgers in our school lunches. I'm not
sure what that meat was but it didn't look or taste like hamburger. Was a
pale color, very soft and oddly sweet. I thought perhaps it had bread crumbs
in it as filler. Guess I will never know. I did work in the cafeteria, but
never had anything to do with the meat besides serving it.

Ophelia wrote:
>
> Why not try a physiotherapist. It might knock years off you ;-)

I'm 64 now. I don't think I want anyone knocking years off of me.

Am Samstag, 5. August 2017 10:39:44 UTC+2 schrieb Bruce:
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 01:12:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
> .. .
> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:55:20 -0400, jmcquown >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 8/2/2017 10:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> >>>> On 2017-08-02 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing.
> >>>>> Most of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste.
> >>>>> Even where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
> >>>>
> >>>> My nephew and his wife are vegetarian and were always pushing their
> >>>> veggie burgers and veggie dogs, claiming they are just like meat. Well,
> >>>> they aren't just like meat. Meat is just like meat.
> >>>>
> >>>Oy! Morningstar Farms, Boca burgers. If vegetarians want to imagine
> >>>these products are just like meat, fine. They aren't. (Yes, I've tried
> >>>them.)
> >>
> >> I agree. They taste so-so and the ingredient list is a science
> >> project.
> >>
> >>>They're filled with chemicals and oh boy, don't you dare be on
> >>>the gluten free bandwagon.
> >>
> >> Yes, the faux duck that I like is a total gluten product.
> >>
> >>>I have to wonder why vegetarians keep trying create meat-like products.
> >>> Could it be they're craving meat?
> >>
> >> I don't eat meat, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it. I'm not
> >> against the flavour.
> >>
> >> (...)
> >
> >I wonder what their stance is on falafel? Wouldn't that be similar? I love
> >the stuff but would never think of it as fake meat.
>
> I love them too. Maybe they're against it because with a bit of
> imagination falafel balls can look like meat balls.

That reminds me - I used to make falafel for our birthday parties decades
ago. A guest complimented me on the excellent taste of the meat balls...

Remembering that, I wanted to make cannelloni, but was out of meat for
that purpose (limited amount of freezing space and money back then). I
improvised using ground chick peas mixed with a little bit of neutral oil,
roasted in the oven, and prepared the filling as usual otherwise.
"Where have you bought that delicious meat?" was the reaction from our
guests - and even their little son enjoyed them very much, therefore he
must really have liked them! :-)

Both times, I first soaked the chickpeas, peeled them and used a grinder.

Bye, Sanne.

In article >, says...

> I wonder what their stance is on falafel?

Vegetarians and meat eaters all agree that falafel are vegetarian.

Wouldn't that be similar? I love
> the stuff but would never think of it as fake meat.

There is no meat in falafel.

Janet UK

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 01:12:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:55:20 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 8/2/2017 10:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2017-08-02 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing.
>>>>>> Most of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste.
>>>>>> Even where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
>>>>>
>>>>> My nephew and his wife are vegetarian and were always pushing their
>>>>> veggie burgers and veggie dogs, claiming they are just like meat.
>>>>> Well,
>>>>> they aren't just like meat. Meat is just like meat.
>>>>>
>>>>Oy! Morningstar Farms, Boca burgers. If vegetarians want to imagine
>>>>these products are just like meat, fine. They aren't. (Yes, I've tried
>>>>them.)
>>>
>>> I agree. They taste so-so and the ingredient list is a science
>>> project.
>>>
>>>>They're filled with chemicals and oh boy, don't you dare be on
>>>>the gluten free bandwagon.
>>>
>>> Yes, the faux duck that I like is a total gluten product.
>>>
>>>>I have to wonder why vegetarians keep trying create meat-like products.
>>>> Could it be they're craving meat?
>>>
>>> I don't eat meat, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it. I'm not
>>> against the flavour.
>>>
>>> (...)
>>
>>I wonder what their stance is on falafel? Wouldn't that be similar? I love
>>the stuff but would never think of it as fake meat.
>
> I love them too. Maybe they're against it because with a bit of
> imagination falafel balls can look like meat balls.

Maybe.

On 8/5/2017 4:26 AM, dsi1 wrote:

>
> It would be completely reasonable if vegetarians felt contempt for meat eaters. Let's face it, killing animals is nasty business. Most folks wouldn't desire a rib steak enough to whack a cow in the head with a big hammer. We merely hire a guy to do our dirty work so that we can pretend that meat is good, clean, fun.
>

If we had to kill our own animals for meat there would be a lot more
vegetarians. Why kill and cut up an animal when you can just buy a
steak at the supermarket instead?

On 2017-08-05 10:28 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/5/2017 4:26 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
>>
>> It would be completely reasonable if vegetarians felt contempt for
>> meat eaters. Let's face it, killing animals is nasty business. Most
>> folks wouldn't desire a rib steak enough to whack a cow in the head
>> with a big hammer. We merely hire a guy to do our dirty work so that
>> we can pretend that meat is good, clean, fun.
>>
>
> If we had to kill our own animals for meat there would be a lot more
> vegetarians. Why kill and cut up an animal when you can just buy a
> steak at the supermarket instead?

In the good old days the whole family would be helping out with the
slaughter. Pa the the older males would kill, gut and skin the critters
and then start to butcher them while the women folk cooked up the fat to
make tallow and soap.

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 8/4/2017 11:49 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > On Fri 04 Aug 2017 04:03:15a, jmcquown told us...
> >
> > > On 8/3/2017 9:56 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > > > On Thu 03 Aug 2017 05:45:46p, jmcquown told us...
> > > > > >
> > > > > It's silly. Vegetarians seem to need a platform. What do I
> > > > > care if someone only wants to eat vegetables? I don't care.
> > > > > I eat lots of vegetables. Quite often without any meat. Just
> > > > > don't pretend this stuff is meat, because it isn't.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jill
> > > >
> > > > Some practices are just plain silly. Years ago my work group
> > > > had a pot luck in the park. It was a large group and there
> > > > were many dishes, including meats that some brouht to grill. I
> > > > brought a large bean and vegetable salad. There was one couple
> > > > who were vegan, but I didn't know it. The husband asked me
> > > > what was in the salad because it looked so good. I gave him a
> > > > rundown of what it contained and he asked what I had dressed it
> > > > with. I hadn't made an actual dressing, but had drizzled two
> > > > tablespoons of bacon drippings, some vinegar, and various
> > > > herbs, and salt, pepper, and a teaspoon of two of sugar. He
> > > > replied that in that case they couldn't eat it even though it
> > > > looked so good. By the expession on his face, you'd have
> > > > thought I had added poison to it. Their loss. There wasn't a
> > > > spoonful left by the time we finished eating.
> > > >
> > > They definitely would not have eaten my grandma's German potato
> > > salad.
> > >
> > > Jill
> > >
> >
> > Jill, unless it's a family secret, would you mind posting your
> > grandma's German Potato Salad recipe?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> No family secrets here. I'd have to dig through some old recipe
> boxes to find it. There's really nothing special about it except it
> does involve crumbled bacon and vinegar and it's served warm. <shrug>
>
> Jill

Grin, I make a German version too that is served warm but leftovers are
fine cold.

One of the things I hate about other folks Potato or coleslaws, is when
they add sugar. To me, that is just 'wrong tasting'.

--

On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 05:33:49 -0700 (PDT), sanne
> wrote:

>Am Samstag, 5. August 2017 10:39:44 UTC+2 schrieb Bruce:
>> On Sat, 5 Aug 2017 01:12:34 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Bruce" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:55:20 -0400, jmcquown >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On 8/2/2017 10:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> >>>> On 2017-08-02 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing.
>> >>>>> Most of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste.
>> >>>>> Even where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My nephew and his wife are vegetarian and were always pushing their
>> >>>> veggie burgers and veggie dogs, claiming they are just like meat. Well,
>> >>>> they aren't just like meat. Meat is just like meat.
>> >>>>
>> >>>Oy! Morningstar Farms, Boca burgers. If vegetarians want to imagine
>> >>>these products are just like meat, fine. They aren't. (Yes, I've tried
>> >>>them.)
>> >>
>> >> I agree. They taste so-so and the ingredient list is a science
>> >> project.
>> >>
>> >>>They're filled with chemicals and oh boy, don't you dare be on
>> >>>the gluten free bandwagon.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, the faux duck that I like is a total gluten product.
>> >>
>> >>>I have to wonder why vegetarians keep trying create meat-like products.
>> >>> Could it be they're craving meat?
>> >>
>> >> I don't eat meat, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it. I'm not
>> >> against the flavour.
>> >>
>> >> (...)
>> >
>> >I wonder what their stance is on falafel? Wouldn't that be similar? I love
>> >the stuff but would never think of it as fake meat.
>>
>> I love them too. Maybe they're against it because with a bit of
>> imagination falafel balls can look like meat balls.
>
>That reminds me - I used to make falafel for our birthday parties decades
>ago. A guest complimented me on the excellent taste of the meat balls...
>
>Remembering that, I wanted to make cannelloni, but was out of meat for
>that purpose (limited amount of freezing space and money back then). I
>improvised using ground chick peas mixed with a little bit of neutral oil,
>roasted in the oven, and prepared the filling as usual otherwise.
>"Where have you bought that delicious meat?" was the reaction from our
>guests - and even their little son enjoyed them very much, therefore he
>must really have liked them! :-)
>
>Both times, I first soaked the chickpeas, peeled them and used a grinder.

Yes, they do have a meaty quality to them. We have them once a month
or so and they tend to be very nice.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> Turkey bacon is disgusting!
(snip)

Generally agree but if needing to severely limit fat or cholestrol for
medical reasons, it may be the best sub you can find.

Here's an odd one where Turkey really works. Harris Teeters has a
store brand Turkey Pastrami at the deli where you get it sliced. It
really is good! Can't tell it's a turkey version at all.

--

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 4:28:36 AM UTC-10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/5/2017 4:26 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> >
> > It would be completely reasonable if vegetarians felt contempt for meat eaters. Let's face it, killing animals is nasty business. Most folks wouldn't desire a rib steak enough to whack a cow in the head with a big hammer. We merely hire a guy to do our dirty work so that we can pretend that meat is good, clean, fun.
> >
>
> If we had to kill our own animals for meat there would be a lot more
> vegetarians. Why kill and cut up an animal when you can just buy a
> steak at the supermarket instead?

I agree with you 100%.

dsi1 wrote:
>Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>dsi1 wrote:
>>
>It would be completely reasonable if vegetarians felt contempt
>for meat eaters. Let's face it, killing animals is nasty business.
>Most folks wouldn't desire a rib steak enough to whack a cow in
>he head with a big hammer. We merely hire a guy to do our dirty
>work so that we can pretend that meat is good, clean, fun.
>>
>> If we had to kill our own animals for meat there would be a lot more
>> vegetarians. Why kill and cut up an animal when you can just buy a
>> steak at the supermarket instead?
>
>I agree with you 100%.

Tell that BS to the orca who takes down seals, or to the Neanderthal
who takes down mammoths

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 2:28:24 PM UTC-10, Sheldon wrote:
> dsi1 wrote:
> >Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>dsi1 wrote:
> >>
> >It would be completely reasonable if vegetarians felt contempt
> >for meat eaters. Let's face it, killing animals is nasty business.
> >Most folks wouldn't desire a rib steak enough to whack a cow in
> >he head with a big hammer. We merely hire a guy to do our dirty
> >work so that we can pretend that meat is good, clean, fun.
> >>
> >> If we had to kill our own animals for meat there would be a lot more
> >> vegetarians. Why kill and cut up an animal when you can just buy a
> >> steak at the supermarket instead?
> >
> >I agree with you 100%.
>
> Tell that BS to the orca who takes down seals, or to the Neanderthal
> who takes down mammoths

I gave your message to the orcas. They looked at me with a bemused smile and gave me a message of their own to give you. "Eat shit and die, dickhead." Oh those crazy orcas!

I couldn't find any neanderthals that are still alive - unless you're talking about the people that live in your general area. In which case, you should be the one giving them the good news.

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 1:46:28 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> > On 8/4/2017 11:49 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > > On Fri 04 Aug 2017 04:03:15a, jmcquown told us...
> > >
> > > > On 8/3/2017 9:56 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > > > > On Thu 03 Aug 2017 05:45:46p, jmcquown told us...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > It's silly. Vegetarians seem to need a platform. What do I
> > > > > > care if someone only wants to eat vegetables? I don't care.
> > > > > > I eat lots of vegetables. Quite often without any meat. Just
> > > > > > don't pretend this stuff is meat, because it isn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jill
> > > > >
> > > > > Some practices are just plain silly. Years ago my work group
> > > > > had a pot luck in the park. It was a large group and there
> > > > > were many dishes, including meats that some brouht to grill. I
> > > > > brought a large bean and vegetable salad. There was one couple
> > > > > who were vegan, but I didn't know it. The husband asked me
> > > > > what was in the salad because it looked so good. I gave him a
> > > > > rundown of what it contained and he asked what I had dressed it
> > > > > with. I hadn't made an actual dressing, but had drizzled two
> > > > > tablespoons of bacon drippings, some vinegar, and various
> > > > > herbs, and salt, pepper, and a teaspoon of two of sugar. He
> > > > > replied that in that case they couldn't eat it even though it
> > > > > looked so good. By the expession on his face, you'd have
> > > > > thought I had added poison to it. Their loss. There wasn't a
> > > > > spoonful left by the time we finished eating.
> > > > >
> > > > They definitely would not have eaten my grandma's German potato
> > > > salad.
> > > >
> > > > Jill
> > > >
> > >
> > > Jill, unless it's a family secret, would you mind posting your
> > > grandma's German Potato Salad recipe?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > >
> > No family secrets here. I'd have to dig through some old recipe
> > boxes to find it. There's really nothing special about it except it
> > does involve crumbled bacon and vinegar and it's served warm. <shrug>
> >
> > Jill
>
> Grin, I make a German version too that is served warm but leftovers are
> fine cold.
>
> One of the things I hate about other folks Potato or coleslaws, is when
> they add sugar. To me, that is just 'wrong tasting'.

Generally speaking, I'm with you on the sugar issue. But I add just
a pinch of sugar--maybe 1/2 teaspoon to 4 tablespoons vinegar. It
just takes the edge off the sourness. (I always roll my eyes when
I see a 1:1 (or worse) ratio of sugar:vinegar in a recipe.)

It might approximate the taste of Miracle Whip in sweetness, but I
can't remember precisely what that was like.

Cindy Hamilton

On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 3:27:18 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
> >
> > Turkey bacon is disgusting!
> (snip)
>
> Generally agree but if needing to severely limit fat or cholestrol for
> medical reasons, it may be the best sub you can find.
>
> Here's an odd one where Turkey really works. Harris Teeters has a
> store brand Turkey Pastrami at the deli where you get it sliced. It
> really is good! Can't tell it's a turkey version at all.

I occasionally buy Boar's Head turkey pastrami. I can certainly tell
it's not pastrami. My take on it is "Thank God somebody figured out
how to get some flavor into turkey."

Cindy Hamilton

On Sun, 6 Aug 2017 04:32:06 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 3:27:18 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
>> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>> >
>> > Turkey bacon is disgusting!
>> (snip)
>>
>> Generally agree but if needing to severely limit fat or cholestrol for
>> medical reasons, it may be the best sub you can find.
>>
>> Here's an odd one where Turkey really works. Harris Teeters has a
>> store brand Turkey Pastrami at the deli where you get it sliced. It
>> really is good! Can't tell it's a turkey version at all.
>
>I occasionally buy Boar's Head turkey pastrami. I can certainly tell
>it's not pastrami. My take on it is "Thank God somebody figured out
>how to get some flavor into turkey."

I wouldn't touch it with a stick:

<quote>
Last week I published my first investigation of the year, and exposed
the ingredients that are in some Boar’s Head meats that you might be
buying at the deli counter, like:

-Caramel color (class III or class IV) made from ammonia linked to
cancer
-Sugars (dextrose, maltodextrin, corn syrup, fructose) which are
likely GMO
-Canola oil (likely GMO)
-Sodium Phosphate
-Natural Flavors
-Nitrates
</quote>

<https://foodbabe.com/2016/01/12/update-whats-boars-head-meat-see-pictures-now/>

But, here comes: Each To Their Own!

In article >,
says...

> I couldn't find any neanderthals that are still alive -


Meet Julie, barely able to function in the modern world.

Bruce hasn't quite mastered walking upright on his back legs yet.

Sheldon is a leftover dinosaur, with a tiny brain at the back end next
to his dick.


Janet UK

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Bruce wrote:
> > But most city people would be vegetarians if they had to do their own
> > killing. The power of outsourcing.
>
> I'll let you know in the fall, when my husband brings home a doe. At
> least he gets to leave the gut pile in the woods.

Hopefully he'll bring home some of the innards....like heart and
liver.

Cindy Hamilton wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 1:46:28 PM UTC-4, cshenk wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 8/4/2017 11:49 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > > > On Fri 04 Aug 2017 04:03:15a, jmcquown told us...
> > > >
> > > > > On 8/3/2017 9:56 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> > > > > > On Thu 03 Aug 2017 05:45:46p, jmcquown told us...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's silly. Vegetarians seem to need a platform. What
> > > > > > > do I care if someone only wants to eat vegetables? I
> > > > > > > don't care. I eat lots of vegetables. Quite often
> > > > > > > without any meat. Just don't pretend this stuff is meat,
> > > > > > > because it isn't.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jill
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some practices are just plain silly. Years ago my work
> > > > > > group had a pot luck in the park. It was a large group and
> > > > > > there were many dishes, including meats that some brouht to
> > > > > > grill. I brought a large bean and vegetable salad. There
> > > > > > was one couple who were vegan, but I didn't know it. The
> > > > > > husband asked me what was in the salad because it looked so
> > > > > > good. I gave him a rundown of what it contained and he
> > > > > > asked what I had dressed it with. I hadn't made an actual
> > > > > > dressing, but had drizzled two tablespoons of bacon
> > > > > > drippings, some vinegar, and various herbs, and salt,
> > > > > > pepper, and a teaspoon of two of sugar. He replied that in
> > > > > > that case they couldn't eat it even though it looked so
> > > > > > good. By the expession on his face, you'd have thought I
> > > > > > had added poison to it. Their loss. There wasn't a
> > > > > > spoonful left by the time we finished eating.
> > > > > >
> > > > > They definitely would not have eaten my grandma's German
> > > > > potato salad.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jill
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jill, unless it's a family secret, would you mind posting your
> > > > grandma's German Potato Salad recipe?
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > No family secrets here. I'd have to dig through some old recipe
> > > boxes to find it. There's really nothing special about it except
> > > it does involve crumbled bacon and vinegar and it's served warm.
> > > <shrug>
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > Grin, I make a German version too that is served warm but leftovers
> > are fine cold.
> >
> > One of the things I hate about other folks Potato or coleslaws, is
> > when they add sugar. To me, that is just 'wrong tasting'.
>
> Generally speaking, I'm with you on the sugar issue. But I add just
> a pinch of sugar--maybe 1/2 teaspoon to 4 tablespoons vinegar. It
> just takes the edge off the sourness. (I always roll my eyes when
> I see a 1:1 (or worse) ratio of sugar:vinegar in a recipe.)
>
> It might approximate the taste of Miracle Whip in sweetness, but I
> can't remember precisely what that was like.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Well, in my case, no sugar added but i know many like that sweetness
factor. No complaints, just not for me.





--

On Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 10:20:59 AM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > Bruce wrote:
> > > But most city people would be vegetarians if they had to do their own
> > > killing. The power of outsourcing.
> >
> > I'll let you know in the fall, when my husband brings home a doe. At
> > least he gets to leave the gut pile in the woods.
>
> Hopefully he'll bring home some of the innards....like heart and
> liver.

Doubtful, as neither of us likes organ meat.

Cindy Hamilton

"Janet" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> says...
>
>> I couldn't find any neanderthals that are still alive -
>
>
> Meet Julie, barely able to function in the modern world.

I'll bet the boys dipped your pigtails in the ink wells a lot in
school...didn't they?
>
> Bruce hasn't quite mastered walking upright on his back legs yet.

And yet, we are going to make rice together. Probably coleslaw too. Coleslaw
that isn't soupy!
>
> Sheldon is a leftover dinosaur, with a tiny brain at the back end next
> to his dick.

Perhaps he can help us. He can bring the knife.

I want to try that bacon flavored spam.

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 04:18:10 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

>I want to try that bacon flavored spam.

That's not allowed. Either you eat meat or you eat lettuce.

On 8/7/2017 7:18 AM, wrote:
> I want to try that bacon flavored spam.
>

Let is know what you think of it. I was disappointed

Someone here said it was very good.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/7/2017 7:18 AM, wrote:
>> I want to try that bacon flavored spam.
>>
>
> Let is know what you think of it. I was disappointed


I love Spam, but I don't care for the flavored ones at all, so I'm curious
too.

Cheri

On 2017-08-07, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> On 8/7/2017 7:18 AM, wrote:

>> I want to try that bacon flavored spam.

> Let is know what you think of it. I was disappointed

My body shudders at the mere thought!! ....and I LIKE Spam.

nb

It was dsi1 that said this


I have tried the flavored Spam. Mostly, they're disappointing or weird because they don't taste like Spam. Bacon flavored Spam however, is great stuff!

wrote:
>
> I want to try that bacon flavored spam.

Sounds good but it's not. Don't waste your money.

I have 2 cans of spam lite to use up first anyway, it has 50% less fat, can't beat that,

coltwvu wrote:
>dsi1 wrote:
>
>I have tried the flavored Spam.
>
>>Mostly, they're disappointing or weird because they don't taste like Spam.

I've tried a few, not only are the flavors disappointing the texture
is way off the mark... the mouth feel is like something already
eaten... the lower salt one was so awful I couldn't eat it, the
texture was that of canned pet food, couldn't make slices, it's more
like a spread, after one taste I threw it out for the critters. I
can't imagine anyone who likes Spam buying the other versions more
than once. After enjoying Spam all my life I found the other versions
frightening. I think Hormel made a disasterous business decision...
anyone who has never tried original Spam and tries one of the other
versions first it'll be the last can of Spam they ever buy.