Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html

==

I'll keep an eye out for that

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On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 09:26:36 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>
>==
>
>I'll keep an eye out for that

Me too. I like the taste of meat. If he can copy it...

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html

Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.

My husband is disappointed that it looks as if we won't be able to roast
a whole pig this year.

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>
>Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.

What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
thing?

>My husband is disappointed that it looks as if we won't be able to roast
>a whole pig this year.

Poor fellow.

Bruce wrote:
>
> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
> thing?

I would definitely switch. :-D

If it was so bad why does every vegan want fake meats?


"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html



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On 8/2/2017 6:56 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>
>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>
>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>
> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
> thing?
>

The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing.
Most of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste. Even
where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.

If this stuff is truly good tasting, I can see a lot of uses for it in
place of bacon but I'm not sure it can 100% replace it.

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>
>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>
>Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>
>My husband is disappointed that it looks as if we won't be able to roast
>a whole pig this year.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Why not?
Janet US

On 2017-08-02 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing. Most
> of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste. Even
> where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.

My nephew and his wife are vegetarian and were always pushing their
veggie burgers and veggie dogs, claiming they are just like meat. Well,
they aren't just like meat. Meat is just like meat.



>If this stuff is truly good tasting, I can see a lot of uses for it in
> place of bacon but I'm not sure it can 100% replace it.

There are various brands of vegetable based bacon bits. The are
basically an artificially flavoured soy product with a crisp texture,
not even suitable for a salad topping.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:36:10 AM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
> >>
> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
> >
> >Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
> >
> >My husband is disappointed that it looks as if we won't be able to roast
> >a whole pig this year.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> Why not?
> Janet US

Several things. Mainly that he's having trouble with his back and shoulders, and roasting a pig is a lot of physical labor.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/2/2017 10:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-08-02 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing.
>> Most of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste.
>> Even where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
>
> My nephew and his wife are vegetarian and were always pushing their
> veggie burgers and veggie dogs, claiming they are just like meat. Well,
> they aren't just like meat. Meat is just like meat.
>
Oy! Morningstar Farms, Boca burgers. If vegetarians want to imagine
these products are just like meat, fine. They aren't. (Yes, I've tried
them.) They're filled with chemicals and oh boy, don't you dare be on
the gluten free bandwagon.

I have to wonder why vegetarians keep trying create meat-like products.
Could it be they're craving meat?

>> If this stuff is truly good tasting, I can see a lot of uses for it in
>> place of bacon but I'm not sure it can 100% replace it.
>
> There are various brands of vegetable based bacon bits. The are
> basically an artificially flavoured soy product with a crisp texture,
> not even suitable for a salad topping.

Yeah, BacO's or some such nonsense. Soy based crispy things that are
allegedly just like bacon bits! No, they're not.

Jill

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
> >>
> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
> >
> >Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>
> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
> thing?

I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend to be meat.

I very much doubt that vegetable bacon would be indistinguishable.
Where is the delicious fat going to come from?

Cindy Hamilton

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:36:10 AM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>> >
>> >Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>> >
>> >My husband is disappointed that it looks as if we won't be able to roast
>> >a whole pig this year.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Why not?
>> Janet US
>
>Several things. Mainly that he's having trouble with his back and shoulders, and roasting a pig is a lot of physical labor.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Oh, sorry to hear that. That back thing is a bummer when cooking.
You're never really bending over and never really standing straight. I
thought it was a pig thing. Maybe next year.
Janet US

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:06:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/2/2017 6:56 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>
>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>
>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>> thing?
>>
>
>The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing.
>Most of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste. Even
>where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
>
>If this stuff is truly good tasting, I can see a lot of uses for it in
>place of bacon but I'm not sure it can 100% replace it.

Yes, we'll have to wait and see.

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:39:43 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-08-02 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
>> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing. Most
>> of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste. Even
>> where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
>
>My nephew and his wife are vegetarian and were always pushing their
>veggie burgers and veggie dogs, claiming they are just like meat. Well,
>they aren't just like meat. Meat is just like meat.

I agree, although I like Asian faux duck.

>>If this stuff is truly good tasting, I can see a lot of uses for it in
>> place of bacon but I'm not sure it can 100% replace it.
>
>There are various brands of vegetable based bacon bits. The are
>basically an artificially flavoured soy product with a crisp texture,
>not even suitable for a salad topping.

Yes, it's been tried before with little success. But if the article is
correct, this guy nailed it.

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:55:20 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/2/2017 10:39 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-08-02 10:06 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>
>>> The problem in the past is "indistinguishable" from the real thing.
>>> Most of the substitutes are really crappy in texture and/or taste.
>>> Even where meat is used instead of pork. Turkey bacon is horrid.
>>
>> My nephew and his wife are vegetarian and were always pushing their
>> veggie burgers and veggie dogs, claiming they are just like meat. Well,
>> they aren't just like meat. Meat is just like meat.
>>
>Oy! Morningstar Farms, Boca burgers. If vegetarians want to imagine
>these products are just like meat, fine. They aren't. (Yes, I've tried
>them.)

I agree. They taste so-so and the ingredient list is a science
project.

>They're filled with chemicals and oh boy, don't you dare be on
>the gluten free bandwagon.

Yes, the faux duck that I like is a total gluten product.

>I have to wonder why vegetarians keep trying create meat-like products.
> Could it be they're craving meat?

I don't eat meat, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't like it. I'm not
against the flavour.

(...)

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 06:28:34 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" >
wrote:

>If it was so bad why does every vegan want fake meats?

In my case: because you don't have to kill an animal for fake meat.

On 8/2/2017 1:01 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>
>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>
>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>> thing?
>
> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend to be meat.
>
> I very much doubt that vegetable bacon would be indistinguishable.
> Where is the delicious fat going to come from?
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>
Soybean oil?

Jill

On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 11:13:11 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 07:51:43 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:36:10 AM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> >> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>> >
>>> >Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>> >
>>> >My husband is disappointed that it looks as if we won't be able to roast
>>> >a whole pig this year.
>>> >
>>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Why not?
>>> Janet US
>>
>>Several things. Mainly that he's having trouble with his back and shoulders, and roasting a pig is a lot of physical labor.
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>Oh, sorry to hear that. That back thing is a bummer when cooking.
>You're never really bending over and never really standing straight. I
>thought it was a pig thing. Maybe next year.

Unsupported bending. It used to do me in every time. It would hurt to
do dishes, fold laundry, and other such things. When I complained to
my doctor, she insinuated that I was malingering because I didn't want
to do housework.

I went to a physiotherapist and he fixed me right up.

Doris

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>> >>
>> >> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>> >
>> >Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>
>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>> thing?
>
>I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend to be meat.

There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.

Doris

On 2017-08-02 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>

>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>
>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>>> thing?
>>
>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend to be meat.
>
> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>

I have had great vegetarian dishes. They were not attempts to fabricate
some sort of pretend meat.

On 8/2/2017 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>>
>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>
>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>>> thing?
>>
>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend to be meat.
>
> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>
> Doris
>
Truly! What is the point of faux meat?

Jill

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:20:39 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/2/2017 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>>
>>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>>>> thing?
>>>
>>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend to be meat.
>>
>> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
>> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
>> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>>
>> Doris
>>
>Truly! What is the point of faux meat?

If it tastes like meat, I might like it. Truly, why do meat eaters
have a problem with faux meat? Why do they even spend any thoughts on
faux meat?

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:14:16 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-08-02 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>
>>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>>
>>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>>>> thing?
>>>
>>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend to be meat.
>>
>> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
>> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
>> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>>
>
>I have had great vegetarian dishes. They were not attempts to fabricate
>some sort of pretend meat.

Imagine you like meat, but you don't want to kill animals for your
food. I know that's not you, but just imagine for a moment. Think
outside the box. Put yourself in someone else's position.

You want to eat meat, but you don't want to kill animals... hmmm...
what to do? And suddenly you've got an idea! Faux meat! Flavour
without cruelty! Yumm!

On 8/2/2017 10:36 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:14:16 -0400, Dave Smith
>
>>
>> I have had great vegetarian dishes. They were not attempts to fabricate
>> some sort of pretend meat.
>
> Imagine you like meat, but you don't want to kill animals for your
> food. I know that's not you, but just imagine for a moment. Think
> outside the box. Put yourself in someone else's position.
>
> You want to eat meat, but you don't want to kill animals... hmmm...
> what to do? And suddenly you've got an idea! Faux meat! Flavour
> without cruelty! Yumm!
>

The problem with faux meat is that it does not taste like real meat or
have the texture of real meat.

As you suggest, think outside the box. How about faux ice cream? There
are substitutes for that too and they taste like crap. Faux chocolate?
Faux anything. If I can't have the real deal, I don't want anything.

If this guy has a real bacon sub, I'd eat it. Past experience is rather
poor though but I'd approach it with an open mind.

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:56:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/2/2017 10:36 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:14:16 -0400, Dave Smith
>>
>>>
>>> I have had great vegetarian dishes. They were not attempts to fabricate
>>> some sort of pretend meat.
>>
>> Imagine you like meat, but you don't want to kill animals for your
>> food. I know that's not you, but just imagine for a moment. Think
>> outside the box. Put yourself in someone else's position.
>>
>> You want to eat meat, but you don't want to kill animals... hmmm...
>> what to do? And suddenly you've got an idea! Faux meat! Flavour
>> without cruelty! Yumm!
>>
>
>The problem with faux meat is that it does not taste like real meat or
>have the texture of real meat.

But you don't have to worry about that, because you eat real meat.

>As you suggest, think outside the box. How about faux ice cream? There
>are substitutes for that too and they taste like crap. Faux chocolate?
>Faux anything. If I can't have the real deal, I don't want anything.

If it's bad, it's bad. But I don't understand why meat eaters would
have a problem with vegetarians who eat faux meat.

I have 2 legs. I'm not going to tell someone with a wooden leg to stop
using it because it's not as good as the real thing.

>If this guy has a real bacon sub, I'd eat it. Past experience is rather
>poor though but I'd approach it with an open mind.

That's all I'm saying. I won't eat it either if it doesn't taste good.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:20:39 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>>On 8/2/2017 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>>>>> thing?
>>>>
>>>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend
>>>> to be meat.
>>>
>>> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
>>> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
>>> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>>>
>>> Doris
>>>
>>Truly! What is the point of faux meat?
>
> If it tastes like meat, I might like it. Truly, why do meat eaters
> have a problem with faux meat? Why do they even spend any thoughts on
> faux meat?


Why do you spend any thoughts on what meat eaters are eating? That would be
your answer.

Cheri

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:30:48 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:20:39 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/2/2017 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>>>>>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>>>>>> thing?
>>>>>
>>>>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend
>>>>> to be meat.
>>>>
>>>> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
>>>> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
>>>> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>>>>
>>>> Doris
>>>>
>>>Truly! What is the point of faux meat?
>>
>> If it tastes like meat, I might like it. Truly, why do meat eaters
>> have a problem with faux meat? Why do they even spend any thoughts on
>> faux meat?
>
>Why do you spend any thoughts on what meat eaters are eating? That would be
>your answer.

My motivation in this is animal welfare. But I wasn't telling off meat
eaters for eating meat this time, but for telling off vegetarians for
eating faux meat.

Am Donnerstag, 3. August 2017 08:21:03 UTC+2 schrieb Bruce:

> My motivation in this is animal welfare.

That's why we only buy organic meat from sources we know. And they have
their own slaughterhouse.

Our "problem" is that we drink real milk in our coffee (full-fat, organic,
not homogenized - we tried alternatives, they taste like crap to us); we
love cheese and milk in some dishes.
Therefore, calves have to be born - otherwise, the cow doesn't produce milk.
And some of them aren't slaughtered when they are still calves, but live
long enough to give excellent meat.
Young cows that get slaughtered without having calves. Not chained up
in their stable. Allowed to go outside on a meadow.

Eggs - well, hardly any, but they do come from chicken - the few eggs we buy
are organic, too. The kind where the animals aren't caged together tightly
but have their own space in a large shed.

Pigs - allowed to run around, play, go outside.

Fish - not from big trawlers, but directly from small boats or honest
fish farms (via our fish monger, of course ;-))

Bye, Sanne.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:30:16 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:20:39 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
> >On 8/2/2017 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >>>> > wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >>>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
> >>>>
> >>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
> >>>> thing?
> >>>
> >>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend to be meat.
> >>
> >> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
> >> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
> >> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
> >>
> >> Doris
> >>
> >Truly! What is the point of faux meat?
>
> If it tastes like meat, I might like it. Truly, why do meat eaters
> have a problem with faux meat? Why do they even spend any thoughts on
> faux meat?

Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:30:16 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:20:39 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On 8/2/2017 8:37 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 6:56:12 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 03:45:41 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> >>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:11:13 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >>>>>> Y'all can finally stop eating dead pigs:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ion-month.html
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Can, but won't. BLTs. The perfect sandwich.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What if your bacon is vegetarian, but undistinguishable from the real
>> >>>> thing?
>> >>>
>> >>> I like meat. I like vegetables. I don't need vegetables that pretend to be meat.
>> >>
>> >> There is a place for vegetarian food. I make vegetarian chili
>> >> occasionally. But I don't add any faux meat to it. The beans, peppers,
>> >> onions, and tomatoes are just fine as they are.
>> >>
>> >> Doris
>> >>
>> >Truly! What is the point of faux meat?
>>
>> If it tastes like meat, I might like it. Truly, why do meat eaters
>> have a problem with faux meat? Why do they even spend any thoughts on
>> faux meat?
>
>Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.

It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.

On 2017-08-02 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:56:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>

>> The problem with faux meat is that it does not taste like real meat or
>> have the texture of real meat.
>
> But you don't have to worry about that, because you eat real meat.
>
>> As you suggest, think outside the box. How about faux ice cream? There
>> are substitutes for that too and they taste like crap. Faux chocolate?
>> Faux anything. If I can't have the real deal, I don't want anything.
>
> If it's bad, it's bad. But I don't understand why meat eaters would
> have a problem with vegetarians who eat faux meat.

I have made my point before about vegetarians trying to push the faux
meat products on us and telling us how they taste just like meat. Well,
they don't taste just like meat. Meat tastes like meat.

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:09:12 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-08-02 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:56:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>
>>> The problem with faux meat is that it does not taste like real meat or
>>> have the texture of real meat.
>>
>> But you don't have to worry about that, because you eat real meat.
>>
>>> As you suggest, think outside the box. How about faux ice cream? There
>>> are substitutes for that too and they taste like crap. Faux chocolate?
>>> Faux anything. If I can't have the real deal, I don't want anything.
>>
>> If it's bad, it's bad. But I don't understand why meat eaters would
>> have a problem with vegetarians who eat faux meat.
>
>I have made my point before about vegetarians trying to push the faux
>meat products on us and telling us how they taste just like meat. Well,
>they don't taste just like meat. Meat tastes like meat.

That I agree with.

On 2017-08-03 6:40 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 03:21:12 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Well, you asked. Thus prompting us to think about it. Otherwise I go
>> months without thinking about faux meat, even while happily (and
>> frequently) eating vegetarian or vegan meals.
>
> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.

WTF are you on about? I thought I was pretty clear about my view about
them pushing their pretend meat on us and telling us it is just like
meat. It's fine with me if they don't want to eat meat. There are lots
of good vegetarian foods that are not cheap imitations of the stuff they
don't want to eat.

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:

> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.

I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
you can't hack giving it up.

Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.

Cindy Hamilton

On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>
>> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>
> I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
> and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
> dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
> you can't hack giving it up.
>
> Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
> else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
>

My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >
> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
> >
> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
> > you can't hack giving it up.
> >
> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
> >
>
> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.

It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty innocuous, inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna happen.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 4:47:27 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-08-03 10:26 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:40:23 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's people like Dave Smith, Jill etc. who have a problem with faux
>> >> meat. Telling vegetarians what to do. That's so wrong. Vegetarians
>> >> should be telling us what to do, not the other way around.
>> >
>> > I, too, think faux meat is... weird. Either be a vegetarian
>> > and enjoy the multifarious ways that vegetables, grains, legumes,
>> > dairy and (possibly) eggs can be cooked, or just eat meat if
>> > you can't hack giving it up.
>> >
>> > Vegetarians are as welcome to express their opinions as anybody
>> > else. They should not be surprised when omnivores ignore them.
>> >
>>
>> My brother and SiL are visiting their son and his family this week. When
>> the son visits with them they accommodate and serve veggie burgers and
>> other fake meat items, but the son and DiL are not so accommodating.
>> They are not cook meat on their BBQ. If they want meat they have to go
>> out to a restaurant and the rest come along at my brother's expense.
>
> It's not a matter of accommodation. Veggie burgers are pretty innocuous,
> inert, things. Expecting a vegetarian to handle and cook meat would be
> like expecting an American to eat dog or horse meat i.e., it ain't gonna
> happen.

====

Americans ate horsemeat a lot in the not so distant past, until it was
banned for sale for humans.

Cheri

On Thu, 03 Aug 2017 22:14:46 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Aug 2017 08:09:12 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2017-08-02 11:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 22:56:10 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>> The problem with faux meat is that it does not taste like real meat or
>>>> have the texture of real meat.
>>>
>>> But you don't have to worry about that, because you eat real meat.
>>>
>>>> As you suggest, think outside the box. How about faux ice cream? There
>>>> are substitutes for that too and they taste like crap. Faux chocolate?
>>>> Faux anything. If I can't have the real deal, I don't want anything.
>>>
>>> If it's bad, it's bad. But I don't understand why meat eaters would
>>> have a problem with vegetarians who eat faux meat.
>>
>>I have made my point before about vegetarians trying to push the faux
>>meat products on us and telling us how they taste just like meat. Well,
>>they don't taste just like meat. Meat tastes like meat.
>
>That I agree with.

Then why does Bacos sell so well... isn't Bacos vegetarian bacon?
There are lots of potato chips that contain artificial bacon flavor...
and ALL bacon flavor is artificial/vegetarian; wood smoke... that's
the thing about bacon I detest; creosote flavored pork! Yoose bacon
lovers are invited to lick my fireplace flue clean! LOL
The easist way to help oneself kick the cigarette smoking habit is to
stop indulging in smoked meat. Trying to stop smoking tobacco while
still eating bacon is exactly the same as an alcoholic attending AA
meetings at The Shamrock Inn.