I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
Janet US

On 8/2/2017 10:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
> Janet US

I don't know why not . I'm assuming that the Food Saver is a vacuum
pack process ? Back in the early 70's when I was in the USN the night
baker and I (I was his helper, temp duty assignment) raided the
officer's freezer for steaks - that had been frozen since the mid-1940's
.. He used too much pepper , but other than that they were delicious .

--

Snag

On 8/2/2017 11:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
> Janet US
>

Probably OK. The foodsaver does an excellent job of keeping stuff. I'd
had meats that long and they were very good. If they dried out, you'd
see it right away.

On 8/2/2017 11:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
> Janet US
>
I'd say no. Texture would probably be the issue rather than spoilage.

(This is why I have an upright freezer. Things don't tend to get buried.)

Jill

On 8/2/2017 11:25 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
> On 8/2/2017 10:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>> Janet US
>
> I don't know why not . I'm assuming that the Food Saver is a vacuum
> pack process ? Back in the early 70's when I was in the USN the night
> baker and I (I was his helper, temp duty assignment) raided the
> officer's freezer for steaks - that had been frozen since the mid-1940's
> . He used too much pepper , but other than that they were delicious .
>
> --
>
> Snag
>
Oh good! You can compete with USN status with Sheldon and cshenk! LOL

Jill

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:15:55 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/2/2017 11:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>> Janet US
>>
>I'd say no. Texture would probably be the issue rather than spoilage.
>
>(This is why I have an upright freezer. Things don't tend to get buried.)
>
>Jill

Normally they don't get buried here either. May of 2012 was when I
had my first rotator cuff surgery. That takes about 3+ months of
your life and 57% of rotator cuff surgeries fail. So I opted to have
another rotator cuff surgery (another 3 months) and that one didn't
work either. Good thing I had insurance. So by that time the fish
had just disappeared.
Janet US

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 10:25:05 -0500, Terry Coombs >
wrote:

>On 8/2/2017 10:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>> Janet US
>
> I don't know why not . I'm assuming that the Food Saver is a vacuum
>pack process ? Back in the early 70's when I was in the USN the night
>baker and I (I was his helper, temp duty assignment) raided the
>officer's freezer for steaks - that had been frozen since the mid-1940's
>. He used too much pepper , but other than that they were delicious .
>
> Snag

Yes, vacuum packer. I'll try not to use too much pepper ;-)
Janet US

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 11:45:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 8/2/2017 11:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>> Janet US
>>
>
>Probably OK. The foodsaver does an excellent job of keeping stuff. I'd
>had meats that long and they were very good. If they dried out, you'd
>see it right away.

They look like they were packed yesterday and since they were almost
at the floor of the deep freeze they were never exposed to anything
but cold. I think I'll give them a try. Rosemary and lemon ought to
work. If not, there are fall-back meals in the same freezer that are
only a month or so old. Thanks
Janet US

On 8/2/2017 12:53 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:15:55 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/2/2017 11:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>>> Janet US
>>>
>> I'd say no. Texture would probably be the issue rather than spoilage.
>>
>> (This is why I have an upright freezer. Things don't tend to get buried.)
>>
>> Jill
>
> Normally they don't get buried here either. May of 2012 was when I
> had my first rotator cuff surgery. That takes about 3+ months of
> your life and 57% of rotator cuff surgeries fail. So I opted to have
> another rotator cuff surgery (another 3 months) and that one didn't
> work either. Good thing I had insurance. So by that time the fish
> had just disappeared.
> Janet US
>
I'm sorry to hear about the surgical issues. Vaccuum sealed the
fish might make it okay. It probably isn't freezer burned. I was
thinking more about the texture, which may have suffered a bit in the
ensuing years.

I threw out a whole lot of frozen shrimp when I got to my parents house
and looked in the freezer. They didn't have a vacuum sealer, it was zip
lock freezer bags. Oh boy, no one would have wanted to cook that
shrimp! Out it went.

As I say, the texture may have suffered from being frozen that long.
But I really don't know. All you can do is try it and see what happens.
If not good, you really haven't lost anything. Good luck and please
do report back!

Jill

On 2017-08-02 12:53 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:15:55 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
Jill
>
> Normally they don't get buried here either. May of 2012 was when I
> had my first rotator cuff surgery. That takes about 3+ months of
> your life and 57% of rotator cuff surgeries fail. So I opted to have
> another rotator cuff surgery (another 3 months) and that one didn't
> work either.

Ouch. Please don't talk like that. I messed up my rotator cuff a couple
weeks ago. For the first week and a half I could not move my left arm. I
have mobility back but limited range before it stops.... and hurts. I
should have gone to the doctor earlier but I got in last Friday, got a
prescription extra heavy duty Ibuprophen and that helped a lot. I got
for Ultra sound and X rays tomorrow afternoon. I have also been
referred to physiotherapy.

I have done this to both shoulders in the past and, luckily, both
recovered fully. This has likely put an end to my kayaking season. I
could not ride my bicycle or my motorcycle for two weeks, but I am back
in the saddle again.



> Good thing I had insurance. So by that time the fish
> had just disappeared.

On 8/2/2017 11:16 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/2/2017 11:25 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
>> On 8/2/2017 10:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>>> Janet US
>>
>> I don't know why not . I'm assuming that the Food Saver is a vacuum
>> pack process ? Back in the early 70's when I was in the USN the night
>> baker and I (I was his helper, temp duty assignment) raided the
>> officer's freezer for steaks - that had been frozen since the mid-1940's
>> . He used too much pepper , but other than that they were delicious .
>>
>> --
>>
>> Snag
>>
> Oh good! You can compete with USN status with Sheldon and cshenk! LOL
>
> Jill

And just what do you mean by that ? Got a problem with veterans ? I
mentioned it for context , the military was into food storage . And
apparently pretty damn good at it .

--

Snag

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 13:32:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-08-02 12:53 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:15:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>Jill
>>
>> Normally they don't get buried here either. May of 2012 was when I
>> had my first rotator cuff surgery. That takes about 3+ months of
>> your life and 57% of rotator cuff surgeries fail. So I opted to have
>> another rotator cuff surgery (another 3 months) and that one didn't
>> work either.
>
>Ouch. Please don't talk like that. I messed up my rotator cuff a couple
>weeks ago. For the first week and a half I could not move my left arm. I
>have mobility back but limited range before it stops.... and hurts. I
>should have gone to the doctor earlier but I got in last Friday, got a
>prescription extra heavy duty Ibuprophen and that helped a lot. I got
>for Ultra sound and X rays tomorrow afternoon. I have also been
>referred to physiotherapy.

Good luck. Let me know how the tests go. I was sent for an MRI and
found out that not only was the rotator cuff a problem but that I had
wrecked half of my biceps as well.
Janet US

On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 09:10:16 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>
>I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?

Depends. Is that May 12th this year, OR May 2012??

On 8/2/2017 1:35 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
> On 8/2/2017 11:16 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/2/2017 11:25 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2017 10:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>>>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>>>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>>>> Janet US
>>>
>>> I don't know why not . I'm assuming that the Food Saver is a vacuum
>>> pack process ? Back in the early 70's when I was in the USN the night
>>> baker and I (I was his helper, temp duty assignment) raided the
>>> officer's freezer for steaks - that had been frozen since the mid-1940's
>>> . He used too much pepper , but other than that they were delicious .
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Snag
>>>
>> Oh good! You can compete with USN status with Sheldon and cshenk! LOL
>>
>> Jill
>
> And just what do you mean by that ? Got a problem with veterans ? I
> mentioned it for context , the military was into food storage . And
> apparently pretty damn good at it .
>
> --
>
> Snag
>
No, of course I don't have a problem with Veterans. My father was a
career US Marine, retired full bird Colonel. He served in WWII, Korea
and Vietnam (two tours). 30 years.

Sheldon and cshenk (carol) USN (one older, one maybe still affiliated?)
get into frequent discussions about what was cooked on US Navy ships.

That's what I was referring to. Lighten up.

Jill

On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:58:30 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 11:45:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 8/2/2017 11:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>
>>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>>> Janet US
>>>
>>
>>Probably OK. The foodsaver does an excellent job of keeping stuff. I'd
>>had meats that long and they were very good. If they dried out, you'd
>>see it right away.
>
>They look like they were packed yesterday and since they were almost
>at the floor of the deep freeze they were never exposed to anything
>but cold. I think I'll give them a try. Rosemary and lemon ought to
>work. If not, there are fall-back meals in the same freezer that are
>only a month or so old. Thanks
>Janet US

I think Ed's right - if I know something will be there awhile I make
the effort to vacuum seal it and it makes all the difference, never
had a failure.

On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 15:58:39 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:58:30 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 11:45:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/2/2017 11:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>>>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>>>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>
>>>Probably OK. The foodsaver does an excellent job of keeping stuff. I'd
>>>had meats that long and they were very good. If they dried out, you'd
>>>see it right away.
>>
>>They look like they were packed yesterday and since they were almost
>>at the floor of the deep freeze they were never exposed to anything
>>but cold. I think I'll give them a try. Rosemary and lemon ought to
>>work. If not, there are fall-back meals in the same freezer that are
>>only a month or so old. Thanks
>>Janet US
>
>I think Ed's right - if I know something will be there awhile I make
>the effort to vacuum seal it and it makes all the difference, never
>had a failure.

thanks lucretia, my glad that you have experience with a food saver
and can recommend the results. I've been thinking about one for a
long time.
Janet US

On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 14:29:08 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 15:58:39 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 02 Aug 2017 10:58:30 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 11:45:50 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 8/2/2017 11:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>>>>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>>>>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Probably OK. The foodsaver does an excellent job of keeping stuff. I'd
>>>>had meats that long and they were very good. If they dried out, you'd
>>>>see it right away.
>>>
>>>They look like they were packed yesterday and since they were almost
>>>at the floor of the deep freeze they were never exposed to anything
>>>but cold. I think I'll give them a try. Rosemary and lemon ought to
>>>work. If not, there are fall-back meals in the same freezer that are
>>>only a month or so old. Thanks
>>>Janet US
>>
>>I think Ed's right - if I know something will be there awhile I make
>>the effort to vacuum seal it and it makes all the difference, never
>>had a failure.
>
>thanks lucretia, my glad that you have experience with a food saver
>and can recommend the results. I've been thinking about one for a
>long time.
>Janet US

I just have the original one that came out with the idea of vacuum
packing and it's fine. Their bags are also of more durable plastic
too, think that helps.

In article >,
says...
>
> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
> Janet US

Probably safe but the taste and texture will be history. I'd feed
them to the dog/cat.

Janet UK

On 8/2/2017 1:06 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/2/2017 1:35 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
>> On 8/2/2017 11:16 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 8/2/2017 11:25 AM, Terry Coombs wrote:
>>>> On 8/2/2017 10:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>>>>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>>>>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>>>>> Janet US
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why not . I'm assuming that the Food Saver is a vacuum
>>>> pack process ? Back in the early 70's when I was in the USN the night
>>>> baker and I (I was his helper, temp duty assignment) raided the
>>>> officer's freezer for steaks - that had been frozen since the
>>>> mid-1940's
>>>> . He used too much pepper , but other than that they were delicious .
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Snag
>>>>
>>> Oh good! You can compete with USN status with Sheldon and cshenk! LOL
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> And just what do you mean by that ? Got a problem with veterans ? I
>> mentioned it for context , the military was into food storage . And
>> apparently pretty damn good at it .
>>
>> --
>>
>> Snag
>>
> No, of course I don't have a problem with Veterans. My father was a
> career US Marine, retired full bird Colonel. He served in WWII, Korea
> and Vietnam (two tours). 30 years.
>
> Sheldon and cshenk (carol) USN (one older, one maybe still
> affiliated?) get into frequent discussions about what was cooked on US
> Navy ships.
>
> That's what I was referring to. Lighten up.
>
> Jill

Ah , I see . I try not to think about those days ... I'm a bit
humor-impaired right now , my Harley is broke , my tractor is broke , my
wife is broke - lower abdominal pain$ , not a shortage of money (though
it might be by the time we get her fixed) . Actually I got the tractor
sorta-kinda repaired since I posted that , but I'm not happy about the
way I had to do it . Started on the Harley too , it hasn't exactly been
a priority since I can ride hers . Right now I've got dough in the
machine for a pizza for dinner , just got done browning the ground beef
and Italian sausage .

--

Snag

On 8/2/2017 12:42 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 13:32:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-08-02 12:53 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:15:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>> Jill
>>> Normally they don't get buried here either. May of 2012 was when I
>>> had my first rotator cuff surgery. That takes about 3+ months of
>>> your life and 57% of rotator cuff surgeries fail. So I opted to have
>>> another rotator cuff surgery (another 3 months) and that one didn't
>>> work either.
>> Ouch. Please don't talk like that. I messed up my rotator cuff a couple
>> weeks ago. For the first week and a half I could not move my left arm. I
>> have mobility back but limited range before it stops.... and hurts. I
>> should have gone to the doctor earlier but I got in last Friday, got a
>> prescription extra heavy duty Ibuprophen and that helped a lot. I got
>> for Ultra sound and X rays tomorrow afternoon. I have also been
>> referred to physiotherapy.
> Good luck. Let me know how the tests go. I was sent for an MRI and
> found out that not only was the rotator cuff a problem but that I had
> wrecked half of my biceps as well.
> Janet US

I feel for ya , I tore the bottom end of my left bicep completely
loose from my forearm last summer - but the Harley was still on it's
wheels . Shoulda let the damn thing fall .

--

Snag

On 2017-08-02 6:11 PM, Terry Coombs wrote:
> On 8/2/2017 12:42 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 13:32:59 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-08-02 12:53 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017 12:15:55 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>> Jill
>>>> Normally they don't get buried here either. May of 2012 was when I
>>>> had my first rotator cuff surgery. That takes about 3+ months of
>>>> your life and 57% of rotator cuff surgeries fail. So I opted to have
>>>> another rotator cuff surgery (another 3 months) and that one didn't
>>>> work either.
>>> Ouch. Please don't talk like that. I messed up my rotator cuff a couple
>>> weeks ago. For the first week and a half I could not move my left arm. I
>>> have mobility back but limited range before it stops.... and hurts. I
>>> should have gone to the doctor earlier but I got in last Friday, got a
>>> prescription extra heavy duty Ibuprophen and that helped a lot. I got
>>> for Ultra sound and X rays tomorrow afternoon. I have also been
>>> referred to physiotherapy.
>> Good luck. Let me know how the tests go. I was sent for an MRI and
>> found out that not only was the rotator cuff a problem but that I had
>> wrecked half of my biceps as well.
>> Janet US
>
> I feel for ya , I tore the bottom end of my left bicep completely
> loose from my forearm last summer - but the Harley was still on it's
> wheels . Shoulda let the damn thing fall .

It just isn't right to let a bike drop. FWIW, I just ordered an engine
guard for my new bike. They used to be called crash bars.

My son has a similar but different problem with his bicep. He had
surgery about two weeks ago for a spider bite he got in the Amazon
jungle back in March. He saw the surgeon today and got the last of the
sutures out but he was told he can't go back to work for another week.
Meanwhile, he has run out of sick leave. He has a choice of taking the
rest of the time off without pay or taking vacation time. He is not
crazy about taking the vacation time because he can't enjoy the time
off. He can't sit in the sun because of the antibiotics and he can't
swim. When he returns to work he will be on light duty.

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 11:58:37 AM UTC-5, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
> They look like they were packed yesterday and since they were almost
> at the floor of the deep freeze they were never exposed to anything
> but cold. I think I'll give them a try. Rosemary and lemon ought to
> work. If not, there are fall-back meals in the same freezer that are
> only a month or so old. Thanks
> Janet US
>
>
I would say they are fine. I have an upright frost-free freezer
and I've found things buried in the back that's several years old.
The Food Saver does a fantastic job of keeping foods from being
freezer burned and looking like they were sealed last week.

I'd go for it.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 8/2/2017 11:10 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>
>> I found a couple of packages of Kokanee in the bottom of the deep
>> freeze marked 5/12. A friend caught them and put them up in
>> commercial Food Saver. Edible or not?
>> Janet US
>>
> I'd say no. Texture would probably be the issue rather than spoilage.
>
> (This is why I have an upright freezer. Things don't tend to get buried.)

I have a very small upright now. Nice because it keeps me from overbuying
and I can see everything at a glance.

On 2017-08-03 7:12 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Wed 02 Aug 2017 10:32:59a, Dave Smith told us...

>> I have done this to both shoulders in the past and, luckily, both
>> recovered fully. This has likely put an end to my kayaking
>> season. I could not ride my bicycle or my motorcycle for two
>> weeks, but I am back in the saddle again.
>>
>
> David had surgery on his rotator cuff, tendons, and bicep muscle
> about 5-6 weeks ago and is stil in physical therapy. He seems to be
> progressing normally. The surgeon told him 3-6 months recovery time.

Good luck to him with that. It is an incredibly painful injury and very
debilitating. I was concerned about mine because the initial extremely
painful phase lasted longer than in the previous incidents. However, it
is improving rapidly now and I am confident it will not require anything
serious. When someone at the dog park asked me about my shoulder I
showed her that I could lift it over my head. The part past shoulder
height was slow and got painful.When I got home it would only move about
have that height.