The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack
of eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today,
I too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs.
An 18 pack there as only 68 cents.

I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.

On 2017-08-07, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
> you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
> sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.

Volume?

Actually, you can't, w/o destroying the neigborhood, which is why I no
longer buy/eat chicken.

nb

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack of
> eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today, I
> too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs. An
> 18 pack there as only 68 cents.
>
> I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how you
> can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and sell it
> at a profit for .0377 cents.

79 cents this week at Fred Meyer for a dozen.

I paid 1.18 for a dozen jumbo eggs and they have nice bright yellow yolks.

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:20:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack
>of eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today,
>I too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs.
> An 18 pack there as only 68 cents.
>
>I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
>you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
>sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.

Walmart runs specials on eggs every once in awhile. I'm glad you told
me about the sale. I'll go get some. I've been getting Walmart eggs
for the last 6 months or so because they appear to be fresher and
better condition than other stores around here -- the yolks stand up
tall and the white doesn't run all over.
Janet US

wrote in
:

> I paid 1.18 for a dozen jumbo eggs and they have nice
> bright yellow yolks.
>

What do chickens grow on?

Eggplants.

On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:20:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack
>of eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today,
>I too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs.
> An 18 pack there as only 68 cents.
>
>I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
>you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
>sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.

The sad thing is also that there are people who buy these eggs. Really
basic creatures who only think of money.

In article >,
lid says...
>
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:20:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
> >The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack
> >of eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today,
> >I too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs.
> > An 18 pack there as only 68 cents.
> >
> >I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
> >you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
> >sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.
>
> The sad thing is also that there are people who buy these eggs. Really
> basic creatures who only think of money.

Chicken-farm conditions have long been a big issue to consumers in
the UK poultry market.Years ago the big UK supermarket chains banned
all battery-cage eggs from their stores.

http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/articl...idl-morrisons-
pledging-stop-using-eggs-caged-hens/1404007

Janet UK

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:35:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:20:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>> >The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack
>> >of eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today,
>> >I too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs.
>> > An 18 pack there as only 68 cents.
>> >
>> >I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
>> >you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
>> >sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.
>>
>> The sad thing is also that there are people who buy these eggs. Really
>> basic creatures who only think of money.
>
> Chicken-farm conditions have long been a big issue to consumers in
>the UK poultry market.Years ago the big UK supermarket chains banned
>all battery-cage eggs from their stores.
>
>http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/articl...idl-morrisons-
>pledging-stop-using-eggs-caged-hens/1404007

The UK and the EU are way ahead of the US when it comes to the
treatment of chickens (and probably all other animals).

In article >,
lid says...
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:35:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >> On Mon, 7 Aug 2017 15:20:35 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
> >>
> >> >The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack
> >> >of eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today,
> >> >I too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs.
> >> > An 18 pack there as only 68 cents.
> >> >
> >> >I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
> >> >you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
> >> >sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.
> >>
> >> The sad thing is also that there are people who buy these eggs. Really
> >> basic creatures who only think of money.
> >
> > Chicken-farm conditions have long been a big issue to consumers in
> >the UK poultry market.Years ago the big UK supermarket chains banned
> >all battery-cage eggs from their stores.
> >
> >http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/articl...idl-morrisons-
> >pledging-stop-using-eggs-caged-hens/1404007
>
> The UK and the EU are way ahead of the US when it comes to the
> treatment of chickens (and probably all other animals).

Our animal welfare and food safety regulations currently prohibit
American ( synthetic hormone and feedlot raised) beef, chlorine-washed
poultry and crops grown using US-permitted toxic chemicals banned in
Europe. I hope we stick with those standards post-Brexit.

https://www.theguardian.com/environm...tain-us-trade-
deal-gm-food-eu-rules

Janet UK

Janet UK

On 8/7/2017 3:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack
> of eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today,
> I too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs.
> An 18 pack there as only 68 cents.
>
> I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
> you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
> sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.

I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I had to
have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was checking in I
noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter. I'm nosy, so I
asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He said a couple of the
employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who raises chickens. She delivers
the eggs to the office, they put them in the empty cartons to take home.
Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.

Jill

> lid says...
>>

>>> I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
>>> you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
>>> sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.
>>
>> The sad thing is also that there are people who buy these eggs. Really
>> basic creatures who only think of money.

You need balance. It is a very cheap price to pay for good protein.
For a low income family it could made the difference between eating junk
and healthy food. The chickens should be raised with no harm, but the
cage free $5 a dozen is prohibitive for many people too.

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 10:12:05 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 8/7/2017 3:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack
> > of eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today,
> > I too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs.
> > An 18 pack there as only 68 cents.
> >
> > I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
> > you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
> > sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.
>
> I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I had to
> have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was checking in I
> noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter. I'm nosy, so I
> asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He said a couple of the
> employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who raises chickens. She delivers
> the eggs to the office, they put them in the empty cartons to take home.
> Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.
>
> Jill

Well, local is... local. The guy at work who brings in eggs says
his chickens are molting and production is way down. He's
still charging the same $2 (large) or $3 (X-large, jumbo) per
dozen. My husband says they're delicious. I don't like eggs all
that well, so I pretty much leave them to him, and eat the
grocery store eggs that I buy as a backup. I believe those are
$2.49 for large eggs. Eggland's Best, which husband says are
better than the really cheap ones.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/8/2017 10:11 AM, jmcquown wrote:

>
> I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I had to
> have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was checking in I
> noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter. I'm nosy, so I
> asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He said a couple of the
> employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who raises chickens. She delivers
> the eggs to the office, they put them in the empty cartons to take home.
> Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.
>
> Jill

I see them around here by a couple of hobby people at $2 but at the
Farmer's Market the organic ones are $5. I won't pay that much for them
and certainly the low income people can't pay that much.

When I was working I passed a house that had a cooler outside when they
had eggs. Just take a dozen and leave $2 in the box. They were never
more than a day or two old. Size varied, but most were about large.

On 2017-08-08 10:11 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/7/2017 3:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I had to
> have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was checking in I
> noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter. I'm nosy, so I
> asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He said a couple of the
> employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who raises chickens. She delivers
> the eggs to the office, they put them in the empty cartons to take home.
> Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.
>
>


I get extra large chickens from a friend down the road for $3 per dozen.
Most of the other local stands charge $3.75

You get a dozen large chickens for $3, good deal

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:11:54 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/7/2017 3:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack
>> of eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today,
>> I too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs.
>> An 18 pack there as only 68 cents.
>>
>> I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
>> you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
>> sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.
>
>I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I had to
>have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was checking in I
>noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter. I'm nosy, so I
>asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He said a couple of the
>employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who raises chickens. She delivers
>the eggs to the office, they put them in the empty cartons to take home.
> Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.
>
>Jill

About half my neighbors on this road raise chickens for eggs, some for
meat. Chickens live in filthy conditions because chickens are filthy
beasts... caged chickens are much cleaner than true free range.
Chickens on the ground pick up and transmit all kinds of awful
diseases.

The large producers can sell eggs for cheap because they produce so
many and by far most eggs are sold to the major wholesalers who supply
the huge food producing companys... many more eggs are turned into
powdered eggs and frozen eggs than are consumed fresh.

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:11:54 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/7/2017 3:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack
>> of eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today,
>> I too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs.
>> An 18 pack there as only 68 cents.
>>
>> I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
>> you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
>> sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.

You're thinking small, that all eggs are sold as fresh eggs. Most
eggs are sold frozen and powdered. Fresh eggs have a rather short
shelf life. At times eggs are produced in such abundance that they
can't all be sold other than at give away prices. The only way to
stop chickens from producing eggs is to make chicken soup... and
that's exactly what chicken farmers do, they sell meat chickens until
the abundance of eggs matches demand.

>I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I had to
>have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was checking in I
>noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter. I'm nosy, so I
>asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He said a couple of the
>employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who raises chickens. She delivers
>the eggs to the office, they put them in the empty cartons to take home.
> Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.
>
>Jill

I save empty egg cartons for a few neighbors who produce eggs. I
prefer store bought eggs because they are inspected by the health
department... in this county one can keep up to 500 chickens without
the operation being inspected. I typically refuse eggs offered by my
neighbors... eggs are cheap at market and those are inspected.

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:22:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>
>> lid says...
>>>
>
>>>> I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
>>>> you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
>>>> sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.
>>>
>>> The sad thing is also that there are people who buy these eggs. Really
>>> basic creatures who only think of money.
>
>You need balance. It is a very cheap price to pay for good protein.
>For a low income family it could made the difference between eating junk
>and healthy food. The chickens should be raised with no harm, but the
>cage free $5 a dozen is prohibitive for many people too.

I live in egg country, several major chicken operations nearby. Caged
chickens are cleaner than free range. A lot of people think caged
means chickens raised jammed into small cages, not true, but that's
what the PC media portrays. Only meat chickesn going to slaughter are
transported in small cages. Otherwise chicken farmers raise chickens
in spacious coops that are raised off the ground for health
reasons.... chickens raised on the ground are far more likely to be
diseased... salmonella and other food borne disease organisms come
from the soil and poultry make a wonderful host.

On 8/8/2017 11:44 AM, wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:11:54 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I had to
>> have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was checking in I
>> noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter. I'm nosy, so I
>> asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He said a couple of the
>> employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who raises chickens. She delivers
>> the eggs to the office, they put them in the empty cartons to take home.
>> Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.
>>
>> Jill
>
> About half my neighbors on this road raise chickens for eggs, some for
> meat. Chickens live in filthy conditions because chickens are filthy
> beasts... caged chickens are much cleaner than true free range.
> Chickens on the ground pick up and transmit all kinds of awful
> diseases.
>
Then I wouldn't eat those eggs or the chicken. Not a big fan of chicken
anyway. I do tend to care about what I eat.

> The large producers can sell eggs for cheap because they produce so
> many and by far most eggs are sold to the major wholesalers who supply
> the huge food producing companys... many more eggs are turned into
> powdered eggs and frozen eggs than are consumed fresh.
>
I wasn't talking about mass producers. A local farmer who raises
chickens and sells eggs.

When was the last time you had *powdered* eggs? On a Navy ship? The
one where you claim they had such wonderful food and prime steaks?! I
don't know anyone who buys powdered eggs. Some of those fear for your
life survialist sites sell that sort of thing. Me, I'll stick with real
eggs.

Jill

On 8/8/2017 11:58 AM, wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:11:54 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/7/2017 3:20 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> The chickens must be working hard. A week or so ago I bough an 18 pack
>>> of eggs at Stop & Shop for $1.29. I thought it ws a good price. Today,
>>> I too may grandson to WalMart and while there I figured I get some eggs.
>>> An 18 pack there as only 68 cents.
>>>
>>> I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
>>> you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
>>> sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.
>
> You're thinking small, that all eggs are sold as fresh eggs. Most
> eggs are sold frozen and powdered.

You're crazy. Powdered eggs are a product of WWII, Korea, Vietnam
conflicts. I'd venture to say most people don't eat powdered eggs.
You're not on the Navy ship anymore, Sheldon. I've never met a single
person who bought and enjoyed powdered eggs.

> Fresh eggs have a rather short shelf life.

No, they really don't. But given the fact that you often state you cook
a dozen at a time... why would you be concerned about shelf life?
>
>> I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I had to
>> have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was checking in I
>> noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter. I'm nosy, so I
>> asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He said a couple of the
>> employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who raises chickens. She delivers
>> the eggs to the office, they put them in the empty cartons to take home.
>> Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I save empty egg cartons for a few neighbors who produce eggs. I
> prefer store bought eggs because they are inspected by the health
> department... in this county one can keep up to 500 chickens without
> the operation being inspected. I typically refuse eggs offered by my
> neighbors... eggs are cheap at market and those are inspected.
>
Okay. I was merely musing about what they pay for fresh eggs. I don't
use a lot of eggs. Half a dozen lasts me a month unless I'm cooking
something (not breakfast) which requires a couple of eggs. I've never
gotten sick from eating eggs.

Jill

I bought an 18 pack of large the other day for $1.59.

Had a few fried over easy yesterday and 4 warming up in a bowl
right now for scrambled eggs later today. I'll probably add a bit
of cheese and maybe some chopped tomato to it. Along with a nice
buttery microwaved red potato and some rye toast.

On 2017-08-08, jmcquown > wrote:

> When was the last time you had *powdered* eggs?

Libya, NA, 1968, USAF.

Powdered milk, too.

> Me, I'll stick with real eggs.

Define, "real eggs".

nb

On 8/8/2017 12:30 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-08-08, jmcquown > wrote:
>
>> When was the last time you had *powdered* eggs?
>
> Libya, NA, 1968, USAF.
>
> Powdered milk, too.
>
I doubt Sheldon was there. My father was in VietNam in 1968... he
probably ate powdered eggs. I don't live in a war zone.

>> Me, I'll stick with real eggs.
>
> Define, "real eggs".
>
> nb
>
Eggs that come from chickens, not dehydrated into powder.

Jill

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I get extra large chickens from a friend down the road for $3 per dozen.
> Most of the other local stands charge $3.75

Oh man! If I could buy extra large chickens for $3 per dozen,
I'd run out and buy a large chest freezer and those vaccum bag
thingies. :-D

On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 12:12:56 PM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 8/8/2017 11:44 AM, wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:11:54 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I had to
> >> have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was checking in I
> >> noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter. I'm nosy, so I
> >> asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He said a couple of the
> >> employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who raises chickens. She delivers
> >> the eggs to the office, they put them in the empty cartons to take home.
> >> Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > About half my neighbors on this road raise chickens for eggs, some for
> > meat. Chickens live in filthy conditions because chickens are filthy
> > beasts... caged chickens are much cleaner than true free range.
> > Chickens on the ground pick up and transmit all kinds of awful
> > diseases.
> >
> Then I wouldn't eat those eggs or the chicken. Not a big fan of chicken
> anyway. I do tend to care about what I eat.
>
> > The large producers can sell eggs for cheap because they produce so
> > many and by far most eggs are sold to the major wholesalers who supply
> > the huge food producing companys... many more eggs are turned into
> > powdered eggs and frozen eggs than are consumed fresh.
> >
> I wasn't talking about mass producers. A local farmer who raises
> chickens and sells eggs.
>
> When was the last time you had *powdered* eggs? On a Navy ship?

I probably ate powdered eggs the last time I had mass-market
baked goods. Probably a cheap, decorated cake purchased at
a local grocery store for a retirement party at the office.

Cindy Hamilton

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:52:25 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:35:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> says...
>> >>
>> >> The sad thing is also that there are people who buy these eggs. Really
>> >> basic creatures who only think of money.
>> >
>> > Chicken-farm conditions have long been a big issue to consumers in
>> >the UK poultry market.Years ago the big UK supermarket chains banned
>> >all battery-cage eggs from their stores.
>> >
>> >http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/articl...idl-morrisons-
>> >pledging-stop-using-eggs-caged-hens/1404007
>>
>> The UK and the EU are way ahead of the US when it comes to the
>> treatment of chickens (and probably all other animals).
>
> Our animal welfare and food safety regulations currently prohibit
>American ( synthetic hormone and feedlot raised) beef, chlorine-washed
>poultry and crops grown using US-permitted toxic chemicals banned in
>Europe. I hope we stick with those standards post-Brexit.
>
>https://www.theguardian.com/environm...tain-us-trade-
>deal-gm-food-eu-rules

The UK is desperate for a new trading buddy now that they broke up
with the EU, so your standards might start slipping to the point that
you'll accept American tortured chicken meat.

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:22:45 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>
>> lid says...
>>>
>
>>>> I know some egg farms are nasty conditions but . . I don't know how
>>>> you can feed a chicken, clean, sort, candle, pack an egg, ship it and
>>>> sell it at a profit for .0377 cents.
>>>
>>> The sad thing is also that there are people who buy these eggs. Really
>>> basic creatures who only think of money.
>
>You need balance. It is a very cheap price to pay for good protein.
>For a low income family it could made the difference between eating junk
>and healthy food. The chickens should be raised with no harm, but the
>cage free $5 a dozen is prohibitive for many people too.

I posted an article about US chicken farming recently. The meat is
rotting on their bodies while they're still alive. Conditions are
despicable. You people really need some basic standards.

In article >,
lid says...
>
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:52:25 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> says...
> >>
> >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:35:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article >,
> >> says...
> >> >>
> >> >> The sad thing is also that there are people who buy these eggs. Really
> >> >> basic creatures who only think of money.
> >> >
> >> > Chicken-farm conditions have long been a big issue to consumers in
> >> >the UK poultry market.Years ago the big UK supermarket chains banned
> >> >all battery-cage eggs from their stores.
> >> >
> >> >http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/articl...idl-morrisons-
> >> >pledging-stop-using-eggs-caged-hens/1404007
> >>
> >> The UK and the EU are way ahead of the US when it comes to the
> >> treatment of chickens (and probably all other animals).
> >
> > Our animal welfare and food safety regulations currently prohibit
> >American ( synthetic hormone and feedlot raised) beef, chlorine-washed
> >poultry and crops grown using US-permitted toxic chemicals banned in
> >Europe. I hope we stick with those standards post-Brexit.
> >
> >https://www.theguardian.com/environm...tain-us-trade-
> >deal-gm-food-eu-rules
>
> The UK is desperate for a new trading buddy now that they broke up
> with the EU,

UK is the largest export market for mainland EU, of course they will
still want to trade after Brexit.

>so your standards might start slipping to the point that
> you'll accept American tortured chicken meat

We're also the second largest producer of poultry in Europe.

Janet.

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 21:25:54 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>>
>> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:52:25 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> says...
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:35:48 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >In article >,
>> >> says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The sad thing is also that there are people who buy these eggs. Really
>> >> >> basic creatures who only think of money.
>> >> >
>> >> > Chicken-farm conditions have long been a big issue to consumers in
>> >> >the UK poultry market.Years ago the big UK supermarket chains banned
>> >> >all battery-cage eggs from their stores.
>> >> >
>> >> >http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/articl...idl-morrisons-
>> >> >pledging-stop-using-eggs-caged-hens/1404007
>> >>
>> >> The UK and the EU are way ahead of the US when it comes to the
>> >> treatment of chickens (and probably all other animals).
>> >
>> > Our animal welfare and food safety regulations currently prohibit
>> >American ( synthetic hormone and feedlot raised) beef, chlorine-washed
>> >poultry and crops grown using US-permitted toxic chemicals banned in
>> >Europe. I hope we stick with those standards post-Brexit.
>> >
>> >https://www.theguardian.com/environm...tain-us-trade-
>> >deal-gm-food-eu-rules
>>
>> The UK is desperate for a new trading buddy now that they broke up
>> with the EU,
>
> UK is the largest export market for mainland EU, of course they will
>still want to trade after Brexit.
>
>>so your standards might start slipping to the point that
>> you'll accept American tortured chicken meat
>
> We're also the second largest producer of poultry in Europe.

That's all beside the point.

On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:12:46 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/8/2017 11:44 AM, wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:11:54 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I had to
>>> have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was checking in I
>>> noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter. I'm nosy, so I
>>> asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He said a couple of the
>>> employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who raises chickens. She delivers
>>> the eggs to the office, they put them in the empty cartons to take home.
>>> Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> About half my neighbors on this road raise chickens for eggs, some for
>> meat. Chickens live in filthy conditions because chickens are filthy
>> beasts... caged chickens are much cleaner than true free range.
>> Chickens on the ground pick up and transmit all kinds of awful
>> diseases.
>>
>Then I wouldn't eat those eggs or the chicken. Not a big fan of chicken
>anyway. I do tend to care about what I eat.
>
>> The large producers can sell eggs for cheap because they produce so
>> many and by far most eggs are sold to the major wholesalers who supply
>> the huge food producing companys... many more eggs are turned into
>> powdered eggs and frozen eggs than are consumed fresh.
>>
>I wasn't talking about mass producers. A local farmer who raises
>chickens and sells eggs.
>
>When was the last time you had *powdered* eggs? On a Navy ship? The
>one where you claim they had such wonderful food and prime steaks?! I
>don't know anyone who buys powdered eggs. Some of those fear for your
>life survialist sites sell that sort of thing. Me, I'll stick with real
>eggs.
>
>Jill

The national food companies and
bakeries use powdered eggs, smaller neighborhood bakeries use frozen
eggs. Many large restaurants use frozen eggs. If you eat at
restaurants and buy bakery products, and frozen meals you eat a lot
more powdered and frozen eggs than you think.

On 8/8/2017 5:03 PM, wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 12:12:46 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/8/2017 11:44 AM, wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:11:54 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I had to
>>>> have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was checking in I
>>>> noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter. I'm nosy, so I
>>>> asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He said a couple of the
>>>> employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who raises chickens. She delivers
>>>> the eggs to the office, they put them in the empty cartons to take home.
>>>> Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> About half my neighbors on this road raise chickens for eggs, some for
>>> meat. Chickens live in filthy conditions because chickens are filthy
>>> beasts... caged chickens are much cleaner than true free range.
>>> Chickens on the ground pick up and transmit all kinds of awful
>>> diseases.
>>>
>> Then I wouldn't eat those eggs or the chicken. Not a big fan of chicken
>> anyway. I do tend to care about what I eat.
>>
>>> The large producers can sell eggs for cheap because they produce so
>>> many and by far most eggs are sold to the major wholesalers who supply
>>> the huge food producing companys... many more eggs are turned into
>>> powdered eggs and frozen eggs than are consumed fresh.
>>>
>> I wasn't talking about mass producers. A local farmer who raises
>> chickens and sells eggs.
>>
>> When was the last time you had *powdered* eggs? On a Navy ship? The
>> one where you claim they had such wonderful food and prime steaks?! I
>> don't know anyone who buys powdered eggs. Some of those fear for your
>> life survialist sites sell that sort of thing. Me, I'll stick with real
>> eggs.
>>
>> Jill
>
> The national food companies and
> bakeries use powdered eggs, smaller neighborhood bakeries use frozen
> eggs. Many large restaurants use frozen eggs. If you eat at
> restaurants and buy bakery products, and frozen meals you eat a lot
> more powdered and frozen eggs than you think.
>
Yeah... except I don't eat a lot of frozen meals (other than ones I cook
and freeze myself, no powdered eggs there). Nor do I eat anything
involving eggs in a lot of restaurants.

Jill

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 8/8/2017 11:44 AM, wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 10:11:54 -0400, jmcquown >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I wonder at what price local chicken farmers are selling eggs? I
> > > had to have some blood drawn a couple of weeks ago. When I was
> > > checking in I noticed a few empty egg cartons behind the counter.
> > > I'm nosy, so I asked the guy what the egg cartons were for. He
> > > said a couple of the employees buy fresh eggs from a woman who
> > > raises chickens. She delivers the eggs to the office, they put
> > > them in the empty cartons to take home.
> >> Seems like a nice arrangement for getting fresh eggs.
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > About half my neighbors on this road raise chickens for eggs, some
> > for meat. Chickens live in filthy conditions because chickens are
> > filthy beasts... caged chickens are much cleaner than true free
> > range. Chickens on the ground pick up and transmit all kinds of
> > awful diseases.
> >
> Then I wouldn't eat those eggs or the chicken. Not a big fan of
> chicken anyway. I do tend to care about what I eat.
>
> > The large producers can sell eggs for cheap because they produce so
> > many and by far most eggs are sold to the major wholesalers who
> > supply the huge food producing companys... many more eggs are
> > turned into powdered eggs and frozen eggs than are consumed fresh.
> >
> I wasn't talking about mass producers. A local farmer who raises
> chickens and sells eggs.
>
> When was the last time you had powdered eggs? On a Navy ship? The
> one where you claim they had such wonderful food and prime steaks?!
> I don't know anyone who buys powdered eggs. Some of those fear for
> your life survialist sites sell that sort of thing. Me, I'll stick
> with real eggs.
>
> Jill

Hi Jill, Navy ships can be odd and while I never had a working party
that saw actual powdered eggs, we did have some cartons that were like
'egg scramblers' and frozen then used in baking. They stored well and
if we were out longer than expected between supply ships, you might
find the only option was scrambled from them. Frankly, they were fine
for all but those who yearned for a sunny side up and you'd have to be
2 months out to hit us out. Just like in your own fridge, eggs last a
good bit. The cartons made great omlettes and were freezable so laster
months and months at need.

Sheldon waxes lyrical as well all know. Reality, I never saw powdered
eggs. Ships however do have limited storage and have to conserve space
(more than power!) so a stackable carton that was used for baking, was
a good item. In *his day* they may have had powdered ones. Not by
mine unless it was some deep storage spot for wartime use with 6 years
replacement/expiration stuff we never saw.

Estimation based on best memory. FT McHenry (crew 300) would onload
500 36each fresh egg flats plus the carton stuff that tasted just fine
scrambled.

--

In article >, says...
> >> When was the last time you had *powdered* eggs? On a Navy ship? The
> >> one where you claim they had such wonderful food and prime steaks?! I
> >> don't know anyone who buys powdered eggs. Some of those fear for your
> >> life survialist sites sell that sort of thing. Me, I'll stick with real
> >> eggs.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > The national food companies and
> > bakeries use powdered eggs, smaller neighborhood bakeries use frozen
> > eggs. Many large restaurants use frozen eggs. If you eat at
> > restaurants and buy bakery products, and frozen meals you eat a lot
> > more powdered and frozen eggs than you think.
> >
> Yeah... except I don't eat a lot of frozen meals (other than ones I cook
> and freeze myself, no powdered eggs there). Nor do I eat anything
> involving eggs in a lot of restaurants.

Dried milk and eggs are cheap, easy to handle, can be stored longer
with no need for refrigeration. They feature as ingredients in many
commercially produced dishes ( pasta, sauces, coatings, cakes, desserts,
soups, icecream). Any lack of natural flavour or texture is concealed by
synthetic flavourings and thickeners etc.

Many restaurants buy in chilled ready-made foods made by commercial
kitchens, ready to be heated or assembled and served. I'd be very
surprised if Dataw club doesn't.

Janet UK.

On 8/8/2017 7:15 PM, cshenk wrote:
> jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 8/8/2017 11:44 AM, wrote:
>>> About half my neighbors on this road raise chickens for eggs, some
>>> for meat. (snippage)
>>>
(more snippage)
>>> The large producers can sell eggs for cheap because they produce so
>>> many and by far most eggs are sold to the major wholesalers who
>>> supply the huge food producing companys... many more eggs are
>>> turned into powdered eggs and frozen eggs than are consumed fresh.
>>>
>> I wasn't talking about mass producers. A local farmer who raises
>> chickens and sells eggs.
>>
>> When was the last time you had powdered eggs? On a Navy ship? The
>> one where you claim they had such wonderful food and prime steaks?!
>> I don't know anyone who buys powdered eggs. Some of those fear for
>> your life survialist sites sell that sort of thing. Me, I'll stick
>> with real eggs.
>>
>> Jill
>
> Hi Jill, Navy ships can be odd and while I never had a working party
> that saw actual powdered eggs, we did have some cartons that were like
> 'egg scramblers' and frozen then used in baking. They stored well and
> if we were out longer than expected between supply ships, you might
> find the only option was scrambled from them. Frankly, they were fine
> for all but those who yearned for a sunny side up and you'd have to be
> 2 months out to hit us out. Just like in your own fridge, eggs last a
> good bit. The cartons made great omlettes and were freezable so laster
> months and months at need.
>
> Sheldon waxes lyrical as well all know.

(rhapsodic!)

> Reality, I never saw powdered
> eggs. Ships however do have limited storage and have to conserve space
> (more than power!) so a stackable carton that was used for baking, was
> a good item. In *his day* they may have had powdered ones. Not by
> mine unless it was some deep storage spot for wartime use with 6 years
> replacement/expiration stuff we never saw.
>
> Estimation based on best memory. FT McHenry (crew 300) would onload
> 500 36each fresh egg flats plus the carton stuff that tasted just fine
> scrambled.
>
Egg Beaters (which are egg whites with yellow color, sold in cartons and
frozen or refrigerated) are okay in a pinch if you want scrambled eggs
sans yolks. I was merely taking exception to his comments about most
eggs being turned into powdered eggs. I can't imagine who would buy
them. The Navy thing was my best guess when he replied about powdered eggs.

Jill

On 8/9/2017 7:00 AM, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says...
>
> Many restaurants buy in chilled ready-made foods made by commercial
> kitchens, ready to be heated or assembled and served. I'd be very
> surprised if Dataw club doesn't.
>
> Janet UK.
>
>
I never said they didn't! I see delivery trucks around the Club all the
time (and also delivering to local restaraunts). Sysco. Food services.
You don't actually think I believe all this food is freshly grown,
caught and picked, do you? LOL I know better.

Jill

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 07:25:30 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/8/2017 7:15 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On 8/8/2017 11:44 AM, wrote:
>>>> About half my neighbors on this road raise chickens for eggs, some
>>>> for meat. (snippage)
>>>>
>(more snippage)
>>>> The large producers can sell eggs for cheap because they produce so
>>>> many and by far most eggs are sold to the major wholesalers who
>>>> supply the huge food producing companys... many more eggs are
>>>> turned into powdered eggs and frozen eggs than are consumed fresh.
>>>>
>>> I wasn't talking about mass producers. A local farmer who raises
>>> chickens and sells eggs.
>>>
>>> When was the last time you had powdered eggs? On a Navy ship? The
>>> one where you claim they had such wonderful food and prime steaks?!
>>> I don't know anyone who buys powdered eggs. Some of those fear for
>>> your life survialist sites sell that sort of thing. Me, I'll stick
>>> with real eggs.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> Hi Jill, Navy ships can be odd and while I never had a working party
>> that saw actual powdered eggs, we did have some cartons that were like
>> 'egg scramblers' and frozen then used in baking. They stored well and
>> if we were out longer than expected between supply ships, you might
>> find the only option was scrambled from them. Frankly, they were fine
>> for all but those who yearned for a sunny side up and you'd have to be
>> 2 months out to hit us out. Just like in your own fridge, eggs last a
>> good bit. The cartons made great omlettes and were freezable so laster
>> months and months at need.
>>
>> Sheldon waxes lyrical as well all know.
>
>(rhapsodic!)
>
>> Reality, I never saw powdered
>> eggs. Ships however do have limited storage and have to conserve space
>> (more than power!) so a stackable carton that was used for baking, was
>> a good item. In *his day* they may have had powdered ones. Not by
>> mine unless it was some deep storage spot for wartime use with 6 years
>> replacement/expiration stuff we never saw.
>>
>> Estimation based on best memory. FT McHenry (crew 300) would onload
>> 500 36each fresh egg flats plus the carton stuff that tasted just fine
>> scrambled.
>>
>Egg Beaters (which are egg whites with yellow color, sold in cartons and
>frozen or refrigerated) are okay in a pinch if you want scrambled eggs
>sans yolks. I was merely taking exception to his comments about most
>eggs being turned into powdered eggs. I can't imagine who would buy
>them. The Navy thing was my best guess when he replied about powdered eggs.
>
>Jill

Walk down the baked goods aisle of any supermarket, all those baked
products that contain eggs used powdered. Most bakeries actually use
box cake mix only it's in much larger containers, and they don't add
fresh eggs, powdered is already in it. Hospitals, prisons, in fact
all commissary cooking uses powdered eggs. Mos people use fresh eggs
at home but most every food item bought elswhere uses spowdered o0r
frozen eggs... especially all the millions of fast food joints... you
can bet all that chicken breading is done with powdered or frozen.

Actually the US Navy mostly uses fresh eggs, they are prepared for sea
by being coated with olive oil, that way they have a 6 month shelf
life so can be kept on the supply ships, replenishment at sea occurs
often. For omelets/scrambled whole frozen eggs are used, no one can
tell them from fresh cracked... frozen eggs are in 5 gallon cans.
Powdered are mostly used for baking, and sometimes omelets when fresh
and frozen runs out, very rare. Frozen and powdered are also used for
puddings/ice cream... ships have an ice cream machine in the galley,
but it's rather large, makes 5 gallons at a time... powdered milk is
used too, when flavored no one can tell. Mashed spuds are often
stretched by using half fresh and half powdered. Hash browns and home
fries are made with dehys, no one can tell. Dehy/frozen is not used
just to save storage space, also saves a lot of prep time... no one
wants to crack a thousand eggs for omelets/scrambled.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> I never said they didn't! I see delivery trucks around the Club all the
> time (and also delivering to local restaraunts). Sysco. Food services.
> You don't actually think I believe all this food is freshly grown,
> caught and picked, do you? LOL I know better.

But yet, you willingly buy $1,000 worth of the food each year.
Either buy it and eat it or pay for it anyway.
That's an odd situation.

On Wednesday, August 9, 2017 at 7:25:44 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 8/8/2017 7:15 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On 8/8/2017 11:44 AM, wrote:
> >>> About half my neighbors on this road raise chickens for eggs, some
> >>> for meat. (snippage)
> >>>
> (more snippage)
> >>> The large producers can sell eggs for cheap because they produce so
> >>> many and by far most eggs are sold to the major wholesalers who
> >>> supply the huge food producing companys... many more eggs are
> >>> turned into powdered eggs and frozen eggs than are consumed fresh.
> >>>
> >> I wasn't talking about mass producers. A local farmer who raises
> >> chickens and sells eggs.
> >>
> >> When was the last time you had powdered eggs? On a Navy ship? The
> >> one where you claim they had such wonderful food and prime steaks?!
> >> I don't know anyone who buys powdered eggs. Some of those fear for
> >> your life survialist sites sell that sort of thing. Me, I'll stick
> >> with real eggs.
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > Hi Jill, Navy ships can be odd and while I never had a working party
> > that saw actual powdered eggs, we did have some cartons that were like
> > 'egg scramblers' and frozen then used in baking. They stored well and
> > if we were out longer than expected between supply ships, you might
> > find the only option was scrambled from them. Frankly, they were fine
> > for all but those who yearned for a sunny side up and you'd have to be
> > 2 months out to hit us out. Just like in your own fridge, eggs last a
> > good bit. The cartons made great omlettes and were freezable so laster
> > months and months at need.
> >
> > Sheldon waxes lyrical as well all know.
>
> (rhapsodic!)
>
> > Reality, I never saw powdered
> > eggs. Ships however do have limited storage and have to conserve space
> > (more than power!) so a stackable carton that was used for baking, was
> > a good item. In *his day* they may have had powdered ones. Not by
> > mine unless it was some deep storage spot for wartime use with 6 years
> > replacement/expiration stuff we never saw.
> >
> > Estimation based on best memory. FT McHenry (crew 300) would onload
> > 500 36each fresh egg flats plus the carton stuff that tasted just fine
> > scrambled.
> >
> Egg Beaters (which are egg whites with yellow color, sold in cartons and
> frozen or refrigerated) are okay in a pinch if you want scrambled eggs
> sans yolks. I was merely taking exception to his comments about most
> eggs being turned into powdered eggs. I can't imagine who would buy
> them. The Navy thing was my best guess when he replied about powdered eggs.

Quite a lot of eggs are not used by home consumers:

<http://www.unitedegg.com/GeneralStats/default.cfm>

He's wrong about "most", but still, 30% of egg production
going for "further processing" is a lotta eggs.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/9/2017 10:18 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> I never said they didn't! I see delivery trucks around the Club all the
>> time (and also delivering to local restaraunts). Sysco. Food services.
>> You don't actually think I believe all this food is freshly grown,
>> caught and picked, do you? LOL I know better.
>
> But yet, you willingly buy $1,000 worth of the food each year.
> Either buy it and eat it or pay for it anyway.
> That's an odd situation.
>
You really don't know what I actually pay for.

Jill