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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:40:11 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote: >On 8/18/2017 8:21 PM, wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:52:49 -0700, "Cheri" > >> wrote: >> >>> > wrote > >>>> Dishwashers use far less water to do the same amount of dishes. >>> >>> >>> No, they don't, at least not in my house. I use around 2/12 gallons of hot >>> water for mine, which is what I prefer to do. > >> You may prefer to do it by hand but my dishwasher uses far less hot >> water (thats hot water from the tap, not reheated in dishwasher) than >> that for two DAYS worth of dishes. > >During droughts, they plead with people to use the dishwasher instead >of hand washing. > >We've talked about this before, some woman was positive she used way >less water and they had a competition. She lost. > >nancy I suppose if I went digging I could find the dishwasher manual and see the actual gallons used but given how much it can fill (seeing the base) and how often during a wash I hear it drawing water, it's not much for two days worth. It also has an eco wash you can use that is for a bunch of glasses, that type of thing. It can also be set to turn on in the middle of the night if you have the power saving deal with the company. Actually water usage is not why I use a dishwasher, it's because I loathe and detest washing dishes by hand  |
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On 8/19/2017 8:03 AM, sanne wrote:
> Am Samstag, 19. August 2017 13:47:04 UTC+2 schrieb Jill McQuown: >> On 8/19/2017 6:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 4:52:33 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote: >>> >>>> Properly cooking food kills germs, which is why restaurants won't >>>> serve burgers other than well done. >>> >>> Sure they will. I can get a rare burger at any worthwhile restaurant. >>> In Michigan, menus must have a disclaimer that basically boils down >>> to: "If you eat undercooked food, you could die a horrible, lingering >>> death and it's all your fault". >>> >>> Cindy Hamilton >>> >> >> LOLOL! For a while I collected restaurant menus. For some reason we >> wound up in Dickeyville, Wisconsin on our way back home. We had dinner >> at Shultzie's Supper Club. There was a notation at the bottom of the >> menu, something along the lines of "if you order a steak well done we'll >> ask you to leave."  > > "Especially if you want ketchup with it, 45." > > Bye, Sanne. > Ketchup on steak?! Ugh! I don't know what you mean by "45". Jill |
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On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 10:08:22 AM UTC-4, Jill McQuown wrote:
> On 8/19/2017 8:03 AM, sanne wrote: > > Am Samstag, 19. August 2017 13:47:04 UTC+2 schrieb Jill McQuown: > >> On 8/19/2017 6:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > >>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 4:52:33 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote: > >>> > >>>> Properly cooking food kills germs, which is why restaurants won't > >>>> serve burgers other than well done. > >>> > >>> Sure they will. I can get a rare burger at any worthwhile restaurant. > >>> In Michigan, menus must have a disclaimer that basically boils down > >>> to: "If you eat undercooked food, you could die a horrible, lingering > >>> death and it's all your fault". > >>> > >>> Cindy Hamilton > >>> > >> > >> LOLOL! For a while I collected restaurant menus. For some reason we > >> wound up in Dickeyville, Wisconsin on our way back home. We had dinner > >> at Shultzie's Supper Club. There was a notation at the bottom of the > >> menu, something along the lines of "if you order a steak well done we'll > >> ask you to leave." > > > > "Especially if you want ketchup with it, 45." > > > > Bye, Sanne. > > > Ketchup on steak?! Ugh! I don't know what you mean by "45". > > Jill The 45th President of the United States, aka Donald J Trump. He prefers his steak well-done with ketchup on it. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 10:17:29 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote: >On 8/19/2017 7:22 AM, wrote: >> On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 03:31:43 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton >> > wrote: >> >>> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 4:52:33 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote: >>> >>>> Properly cooking food kills germs, which is why restaurants won't >>>> serve burgers other than well done. >>> >>> Sure they will. I can get a rare burger at any worthwhile restaurant. >>> In Michigan, menus must have a disclaimer that basically boils down >>> to: "If you eat undercooked food, you could die a horrible, lingering >>> death and it's all your fault". >>> >>> Cindy Hamilton >> >> The Hard Rock Cafe in Gatlinburg, Tenn. serves extremely rare >> hamburgers, totally delicious. I asked about it and the waiter told >> me they can do it because they have their own cattle ranches. > >The Hard Rock Cafe in Gatlinburg, TN has their own cattle ranch? I >searched and cannot find a citation for that. Have fun searching - no all the US Hard Rock Cafes not just the Gatlinburg one! It did actually say it on the menu too, so he was correct, though it might not be the explanation for why one could order a very rare hamburger. > >> What a >> disappointment when I saw a Hard Rock Cafe in Ottawa and thought I >> would have a great, very rare, Gruyere Hamburger. Not allowed to >> serve them rare, Health Canada restrictions  >> >Yeah, and those restrictions suck. BTW, a hamburger with gruyere sounds >quite tasty! > >Jill |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 08:40:11 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote: >On 8/18/2017 8:21 PM, wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 16:52:49 -0700, "Cheri" > >> wrote: >> >>> > wrote > >>>> Dishwashers use far less water to do the same amount of dishes. >>> >>> >>> No, they don't, at least not in my house. I use around 2/12 gallons of hot >>> water for mine, which is what I prefer to do. > >> You may prefer to do it by hand but my dishwasher uses far less hot >> water (thats hot water from the tap, not reheated in dishwasher) than >> that for two DAYS worth of dishes. > >During droughts, they plead with people to use the dishwasher instead >of hand washing. > >We've talked about this before, some woman was positive she used way >less water and they had a competition. She lost. > >nancy I use very little water hand washing dishes. I use a small dishpan for hot soapy water, then since the hot water is already at the tap I rinse... uses very little rinse water for plates and utensils for two. We use the same drinking glasses all day... I've often seen where people need a clean glass many times a day just for a few sips... they fill their dishwasher to overflowing with glasses. For plain drinking water we use sports bottles... those only need sanitizing once a week, a half ounce of hydrogen peroxide sanitizes two bottles. We refill our sports bottles with RO water, we never buy bottled water. We have our own well so we don't get water bills, however private wells do require some servicing and it's powered by electric, but those costs are so minimal we don't consider it a water bill. We have no water shortages here, if anything we have too much water, especially this year, with heavy rain nearly every day. One year we had a mild drought, no rain for some six weeks, I enjoyed not having to mow grass... still there was no water shortage. The only concern during a dry spell are fires. Actually most dish washing here are the cat food bowls, those wouldn't go into the dishwasher anyway, cat food stinks. |
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On 8/18/2017 4:39 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> you really don't know how much anything really costs. > > -sw Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ost > 3/18/2011 3:49 PM Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles. -sw --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away. There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Cheri wrote:
> wrote in message > news  >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 11:54:11 -0700, "Cheri" > >> wrote: >> >>>"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message .179.44... >>>> On Thu 17 Aug 2017 07:04:16a, Ophelia told us... >>>> >>>>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... >>>>> >>>>> On 8/17/2017 5:50 AM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> I've heard of this kind of thing before. Are you sure that the >>>>>>> US gets the same stuff we get in UK? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm guessing that their auto parts may not reflect the quality of >>>>>> their appliances and power tool lines. I believe that the >>>>>> appliances and power tools are made in the US and may not be the >>>>>> same designs that are sold in Europe. I don't know enough to >>>>>> comment on the quality or reliability of these lines. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Our local appliance dealer stopped carrying Bosch because of >>>>> reliability issues. He said they were were good machines when the >>>>> worked but had too many service calls. We got another KA. >>>>> >>>>> === >>>>> >>>>> We got our Bosch early this year. No problems yet (fingers >>>>> crossed) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Our curent one is in its sixth year. We wash at last two loads per >>>> day. >>> >>>That wouldn't work at all in CA coming off several seasons of drought, >>>though this year has been much better, I fill both sinks half way when I >>>finish cooking etc., wash in one, rinse in the other. Not much water used >>>at >>>all, but we don't have a lot of dishes to do now with just the two of us. >>> >>>Cheri >>> >> Dishwashers use far less water to do the same amount of dishes. > > > No, they don't, at least not in my house. I use around 2/12 gallons of hot > water for mine, which is what I prefer to do. > > Cheri one sixth of a gallon of water? that's impressive! ;-) |
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On 2017-08-19 5:35 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/18/2017 4:52 PM, wrote: >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 10:04:46 -0400, Gary > wrote: >> >>> I even gave ferrets access to my dinner plates for >>> "all you can eat." Once they checked it out, ate what >>> they wanted, I would eat. Evidently ferret germs are >>> not so bad. eh? >> >> One of my cats, Jilly, eats from my plate along with me... especially >> roast chicken... we both prefer dark meat but she takes the best >> parts... I guess if I catch a cold I'll make an appointment with the >> Vet.* I don't think which method one uses to wash dishes has a whit to >> do with one's health issues. http://www.medicaldaily.com/toxoplas...illness-337030 Explains a lot of Sheldon's more intemperate posts:-) |
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On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 8:37:56 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 2017-08-19 5:22 AM, wrote: > > On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 03:31:43 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton > > > wrote: > > > >> On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 4:52:33 PM UTC-4, Sheldon wrote: > >> > >>> Properly cooking food kills germs, which is why restaurants won't > >>> serve burgers other than well done. > >> > >> Sure they will. I can get a rare burger at any worthwhile restaurant. > >> In Michigan, menus must have a disclaimer that basically boils down > >> to: "If you eat undercooked food, you could die a horrible, lingering > >> death and it's all your fault". > >> > >> Cindy Hamilton > > > > The Hard Rock Cafe in Gatlinburg, Tenn. serves extremely rare > > hamburgers, totally delicious. I asked about it and the waiter told > > me they can do it because they have their own cattle ranches. > > Tommy rot! My guess is that a restaurant can safely serve a rare burger by grinding their hamburger to order at the restaurant. > > What a > > disappointment when I saw a Hard Rock Cafe in Ottawa and thought I > > would have a great, very rare, Gruyere Hamburger. Not allowed to > > serve them rare, Health Canada restrictions > > > Very sensible!!!! |
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"Doris Night" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 13:28:50 -0700, "Julie Bove" > > wrote: > >> >>"Doris Night" > wrote in message . .. >>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 16:31:09 -0700, "Julie Bove" >>> > wrote: >>> >>>>Heck, I rarely use a dish pan any more. Just takes up >>>>space that I don't have and won't fit under my sink. Now I tend to pick >>>>whatever the biggest pot or bowl is, remove any excess whatever, then >>>>fill >>>>it with soap and water and use that for the smaller stuff. >>> >>> Why don't you just wash your dishes in the sink? No dish pan required. >>> I've been washing dishes without a dish pan all my life. >> >>You mean stopper the sink and fill it up? Nope. Renders the sink useless >>while I am doing that. > > When we wash dishes in the sink it takes about five minutes. During > that time, we don't generally want to use it for anything else. I can't imagine it only taking 5 minutes. It wouldn't for me. I also don't like dishes to accumulate. I prefer to wash as I go. Especially for things like dinner prep. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 8/18/2017 7:18 AM, Gary wrote: > >> >> Doctor told me once, main reason for so many more colds >> and flu in winter is because people keep their houses >> closed up and the viruses multiply in the warm environment. >> >> Also important to wash hands frequently during and after >> going out into public and handling things - even money. >> >> Those precautions seem to work for me so I believe. >> > > We have no cloth towels in the kitchen. The machine drys the dishes in > there, anything washed by hand air dries. Dish towels are sometimes used > to dry hands and are potentially a source of cross contamination. Paper > towels do the job. My cloth towel is merely decorative. I use paper. |
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"Gary" > wrote in message ... > Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> > >> It's hard to say, as there several mitigating factors. Virtually no >> one hand washes dishes in water at a temperature that will kill many >> germs. That's strike one. If dishwashing liquid is not anti- >> bacterial, that's strike two. A seemingly clean dishrag or sponge can >> also can also contribute to the germ factor. That's strike three. >> >> With a dishwasher the incoming water is usually at least 120 degrees >> and many machines heat the water to an even higher temperture. Most >> dishwasher detergents are anti-bacaerial. Last of all, there are no >> dishrags or sponges involved. >> >> Again, it's hard to say... > > And there ya go whining again. oh those evil germs. I hand wash > and so wonder how I've survived all these years. > > I even gave ferrets access to my dinner plates for > "all you can eat." Once they checked it out, ate what > they wanted, I would eat. Evidently ferret germs are > not so bad. eh? I am sure that in the old days when people knew little to nothing about food safety or even germs and merely put things away without so much as rinsing them, this could have made them ill. I am talking about days before the dinner plate where food may have been served on a flat piece of bread or even the table itself which also wasn't washed. These days there are quite a variety of reasons. One being that we are indoors so much of the time. In many cases, we are breathing recirculated air which may be contaminated with all manner of things that we weren't intended to breathe. Things that come from carpets, paint, building materials, furniture etc. Add some germs in there and it's sickness waiting to happen. I hate flying on planes because I always get respiratory and/or ear infections. Sure the altitude has something to do with it, but I can tell that the dry stale air isn't helping either. And now add in hand sanitizer! One year, there was a big push at the dance studio to use the stuff much like they do on a cruise ship. Each time you enter or leave a room, you were to use it. And that year, more people got sick than ever! It was also a year with a very bad winter. The one where we had the two back to back snow storms that kept many of us home for two weeks, save for one day in the middle where the roads were clear enough to get out for groceries. I am sure that they surmised that germs were being picked up on many surfaces at the dance studio. Door handles, the ballet barre, things in the kitchen, locker room, dressing room, even the floor! Perhaps they would have done better just to wipe the barre down between classes with some sort of ordinary cleaner. I don't know. |
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> wrote in message ... > On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 07:41:08 -0300, wrote: > >>On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:27:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >> >>>On 8/17/2017 7:37 PM, Cheri wrote: >>>> > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:11:17 -0700, "Cheri" > >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >>>>>> 9.44... >>>>>>> On Thu 17 Aug 2017 05:15:08a, Janet told us... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In article >, >>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No one needs to convince me. I have a Bosch and it is superb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Someone must have. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Janet >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> " Ophelia >>>>>>>> 06/04/2016 >>>>>>>> Nuking food ...was Roasting Butternut Squash >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I used to have a dishwasher but ended up getting rid of it. I >>>>>>>> like to wash >>>>>>>> up as I go along when I am cooking. I put a small upright freezer >>>>>>>> in that >>>>>>>> space and it gets far more use >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As early as 1952 there has always been a dishwasher in whatever home >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> lived in. I've often said that if I didn't have a dishasher I >>>>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>> cook. :-) Yes, I'm lazy. No need to ask. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> I have one but use it seldomly. I remember that O said they did get >>>>>> new one >>>>>> not long ago, a Bosch, which most people say they really like. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri >>>>> >>>>> I rarely use the dishwasher, perhaps 3-4 times a year, and only when >>>>> the plastic freezer storage containers pile up... I find handwashing >>>>> dishes for two no inconvenience whatsoever, especially since more than >>>>> 50% of the time we use paper plates.... we see no reason to use china >>>>> plates for a sandwich and we always use paper plates for fried foods, >>>>> paper plates majorly suck out the fat calories.. and our used paper >>>>> plates do double duty, they feed the cats. Plain paper plates cost >>>>> .08¢ each. much less than washing dishes... and are very compostible. >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't run mine often either, as you say it doesn't take a lot to wash >>>> them, but I don't want to eat off paper plates for everyday. I feel the >>>> same way about styrofoam cups etc. >>>> >>>> Cheri >>> >>>Same here. I just loaded the last of the days dishes and have 17 plates >>>in it. > > That's an awful lot of plates in a day for two people... are you sure > you are just two living there? Even without using paper plates the > most dishes we would generate is 4-6... at most two per meal. I wash > by hand, along with a pot or two it takes me five minutes to wash our > two dishes and utensils, dry, and put away. If we used the dishwasher > it would take us a week to fill it. We used to use the dishwasher for > company but we don't have more than 2-4 for company anymore, and then > we'd use the good dishes, silverware, and glassware, those I carefully > wash by hand... dishwashing compound etches fine dishes, silverware, > and glassware. I have two sets of fine glassware that I used to > machine wash, over a couple years it became quite cloudy... we will > still use it but it'd be embarrassing for company use. > > And to me seeing a sink with dirty dishes and a dishwasher with dirty > dishes reminds me of an unflushed toilet. I see nothing negative > about paper plates, they are cleaner than dishes fresh from the > dishwasher... cleanliness is the main reason fast food joints use > paper/plastic throwaways. > >>>That would cost Sheldon 1.36 + tax. Probably costs me a buck >>>with detergent to run the machine so it is not a cost factor. There are >>>serving bowls, utensils and the like. >>> >>>Put in the detergent, push a button, come back to perfectly clean dishes >>>that takes less than 5 minutes to put away. Dave mentioned the time to >>>empty so I timed one load. 3 3/4 minutes. >> >> >>Same as you Ed, could not be more simple and convenient even for a >>household comprised of one person. It might seem more likely that I >>would be the one using paper plates but I cannot imagine doing that, >>in fact, can't remember the last time I had to eat off a paper plate. >> >>I did notice when we first put a dishwasher in that we were better off >>health-wise. One of five could have a cold/'flu and it did not >>automatically wind up infecting the lot of us. > > I can assure you that using hand washed dishes does not cause colds or > you found the cure for the common cold. Paper plates are not just > sanitary, they are medically sterile. Medically sterile? Oh bwahaha! When you buy medical paper goods they are not even sterile unless they specifically say so on the package. |
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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message ... > On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:50:09 -0400, wrote: > >> Plain paper plates cost >> .08¢ each. much less than washing dishes... and are very compostible. > > What is that, 2032 prices? You're getting majorly ripped off if > you're paying $.08/ea for plain paper plates. Even the "heavy duty", > wax coated ones are only about $.05/ea. > > Face it, you really don't know how much anything really costs. Plate prices can really vary. I try to only buy when on sale and store brands are often cheaper. I also buy little ones like for birthday cake, online. I can get clearance ones for really cheap. These are not for every day use but for birthday parties or quick get togethers away from home. I don't necessarily buy themed ones but instead something like blue and white polka dots. They are to be used and disposed of quickly so nobody is much looking at the design on them. Likewise, I will buy other seasonal things when on clearance for cheap. I had some pump bottles of hand soap with an Easter Egg print. If that had really bothered me, I could have easily cut off the outer plastic wrapper and had a plain white bottle. I often have Halloween or Christmas paper towels and am currently using some Christmas gallon size Ziploc bags. Some stores want to get rid of this stuff quickly so will sell it for next to nothing. I don't care what it looks like so long as it does the job. I also learned to shop online from other areas. For instance... Prices in PA are generally much less than they are here. I like a department store that is there called Boscov's. I can shop online and pay PA prices! Better still are their clearance prices! I once got quilts for far less than what I would pay anywhere here. Also some casserole dishes on clearance and some hand soap that came in bottles shaped like apples. That soap was so cheap that I bought a dozen bottles. We are just now getting to the end of it. I do only put that in the kitchen or garage though because an apple in the bathroom just seems a tad weird even for me! |
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On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 12:08:59 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
> > wrote in message > ... > > On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 07:41:08 -0300, wrote: > > > >>On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:27:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >> > >>>On 8/17/2017 7:37 PM, Cheri wrote: > >>>> > wrote in message > >>>> ... > >>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:11:17 -0700, "Cheri" > > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message > >>>>>> 9.44... > >>>>>>> On Thu 17 Aug 2017 05:15:08a, Janet told us... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In article >, > >>>>>>>> says... > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> No one needs to convince me. I have a Bosch and it is superb > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Someone must have. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Janet > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> " Ophelia > >>>>>>>> 06/04/2016 > >>>>>>>> Nuking food ...was Roasting Butternut Squash > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I used to have a dishwasher but ended up getting rid of it. I > >>>>>>>> like to wash > >>>>>>>> up as I go along when I am cooking. I put a small upright freezer > >>>>>>>> in that > >>>>>>>> space and it gets far more use > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> As early as 1952 there has always been a dishwasher in whatever home > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> lived in. I've often said that if I didn't have a dishasher I > >>>>>>> wouldn't > >>>>>>> cook. :-) Yes, I'm lazy. No need to ask. :-) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I have one but use it seldomly. I remember that O said they did get > >>>>>> new one > >>>>>> not long ago, a Bosch, which most people say they really like. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheri > >>>>> > >>>>> I rarely use the dishwasher, perhaps 3-4 times a year, and only when > >>>>> the plastic freezer storage containers pile up... I find handwashing > >>>>> dishes for two no inconvenience whatsoever, especially since more than > >>>>> 50% of the time we use paper plates.... we see no reason to use china > >>>>> plates for a sandwich and we always use paper plates for fried foods, > >>>>> paper plates majorly suck out the fat calories.. and our used paper > >>>>> plates do double duty, they feed the cats. Plain paper plates cost > >>>>> .08¢ each. much less than washing dishes... and are very compostible. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I don't run mine often either, as you say it doesn't take a lot to wash > >>>> them, but I don't want to eat off paper plates for everyday. I feel the > >>>> same way about styrofoam cups etc. > >>>> > >>>> Cheri > >>> > >>>Same here. I just loaded the last of the days dishes and have 17 plates > >>>in it. > > > > That's an awful lot of plates in a day for two people... are you sure > > you are just two living there? Even without using paper plates the > > most dishes we would generate is 4-6... at most two per meal. I wash > > by hand, along with a pot or two it takes me five minutes to wash our > > two dishes and utensils, dry, and put away. If we used the dishwasher > > it would take us a week to fill it. We used to use the dishwasher for > > company but we don't have more than 2-4 for company anymore, and then > > we'd use the good dishes, silverware, and glassware, those I carefully > > wash by hand... dishwashing compound etches fine dishes, silverware, > > and glassware. I have two sets of fine glassware that I used to > > machine wash, over a couple years it became quite cloudy... we will > > still use it but it'd be embarrassing for company use. > > > > And to me seeing a sink with dirty dishes and a dishwasher with dirty > > dishes reminds me of an unflushed toilet. I see nothing negative > > about paper plates, they are cleaner than dishes fresh from the > > dishwasher... cleanliness is the main reason fast food joints use > > paper/plastic throwaways. > > > >>>That would cost Sheldon 1.36 + tax. Probably costs me a buck > >>>with detergent to run the machine so it is not a cost factor. There are > >>>serving bowls, utensils and the like. > >>> > >>>Put in the detergent, push a button, come back to perfectly clean dishes > >>>that takes less than 5 minutes to put away. Dave mentioned the time to > >>>empty so I timed one load. 3 3/4 minutes. > >> > >> > >>Same as you Ed, could not be more simple and convenient even for a > >>household comprised of one person. It might seem more likely that I > >>would be the one using paper plates but I cannot imagine doing that, > >>in fact, can't remember the last time I had to eat off a paper plate. > >> > >>I did notice when we first put a dishwasher in that we were better off > >>health-wise. One of five could have a cold/'flu and it did not > >>automatically wind up infecting the lot of us. > > > > I can assure you that using hand washed dishes does not cause colds or > > you found the cure for the common cold. Paper plates are not just > > sanitary, they are medically sterile. > > Medically sterile? Oh bwahaha! When you buy medical paper goods they are not > even sterile unless they specifically say so on the package. "Medically sterile" is the same as "sterile" only it's even more sterilier. |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:23:53 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote: >On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 12:08:59 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote: >> > wrote in message >> ... >> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 07:41:08 -0300, wrote: >> > >> >>On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:27:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >> >> >> >>>On 8/17/2017 7:37 PM, Cheri wrote: >> >>>> > wrote in message >> >>>> ... >> >>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:11:17 -0700, "Cheri" > >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >> >>>>>> 9.44... >> >>>>>>> On Thu 17 Aug 2017 05:15:08a, Janet told us... >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> In article >, >> >>>>>>>> says... >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> No one needs to convince me. I have a Bosch and it is superb >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Someone must have. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Janet >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> " Ophelia >> >>>>>>>> 06/04/2016 >> >>>>>>>> Nuking food ...was Roasting Butternut Squash >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I used to have a dishwasher but ended up getting rid of it. I >> >>>>>>>> like to wash >> >>>>>>>> up as I go along when I am cooking. I put a small upright freezer >> >>>>>>>> in that >> >>>>>>>> space and it gets far more use >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> As early as 1952 there has always been a dishwasher in whatever home >> >>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>> lived in. I've often said that if I didn't have a dishasher I >> >>>>>>> wouldn't >> >>>>>>> cook. :-) Yes, I'm lazy. No need to ask. :-) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I have one but use it seldomly. I remember that O said they did get >> >>>>>> new one >> >>>>>> not long ago, a Bosch, which most people say they really like. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Cheri >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I rarely use the dishwasher, perhaps 3-4 times a year, and only when >> >>>>> the plastic freezer storage containers pile up... I find handwashing >> >>>>> dishes for two no inconvenience whatsoever, especially since more than >> >>>>> 50% of the time we use paper plates.... we see no reason to use china >> >>>>> plates for a sandwich and we always use paper plates for fried foods, >> >>>>> paper plates majorly suck out the fat calories.. and our used paper >> >>>>> plates do double duty, they feed the cats. Plain paper plates cost >> >>>>> .08¢ each. much less than washing dishes... and are very compostible. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I don't run mine often either, as you say it doesn't take a lot to wash >> >>>> them, but I don't want to eat off paper plates for everyday. I feel the >> >>>> same way about styrofoam cups etc. >> >>>> >> >>>> Cheri >> >>> >> >>>Same here. I just loaded the last of the days dishes and have 17 plates >> >>>in it. >> > >> > That's an awful lot of plates in a day for two people... are you sure >> > you are just two living there? Even without using paper plates the >> > most dishes we would generate is 4-6... at most two per meal. I wash >> > by hand, along with a pot or two it takes me five minutes to wash our >> > two dishes and utensils, dry, and put away. If we used the dishwasher >> > it would take us a week to fill it. We used to use the dishwasher for >> > company but we don't have more than 2-4 for company anymore, and then >> > we'd use the good dishes, silverware, and glassware, those I carefully >> > wash by hand... dishwashing compound etches fine dishes, silverware, >> > and glassware. I have two sets of fine glassware that I used to >> > machine wash, over a couple years it became quite cloudy... we will >> > still use it but it'd be embarrassing for company use. >> > >> > And to me seeing a sink with dirty dishes and a dishwasher with dirty >> > dishes reminds me of an unflushed toilet. I see nothing negative >> > about paper plates, they are cleaner than dishes fresh from the >> > dishwasher... cleanliness is the main reason fast food joints use >> > paper/plastic throwaways. >> > >> >>>That would cost Sheldon 1.36 + tax. Probably costs me a buck >> >>>with detergent to run the machine so it is not a cost factor. There are >> >>>serving bowls, utensils and the like. >> >>> >> >>>Put in the detergent, push a button, come back to perfectly clean dishes >> >>>that takes less than 5 minutes to put away. Dave mentioned the time to >> >>>empty so I timed one load. 3 3/4 minutes. >> >> >> >> >> >>Same as you Ed, could not be more simple and convenient even for a >> >>household comprised of one person. It might seem more likely that I >> >>would be the one using paper plates but I cannot imagine doing that, >> >>in fact, can't remember the last time I had to eat off a paper plate. >> >> >> >>I did notice when we first put a dishwasher in that we were better off >> >>health-wise. One of five could have a cold/'flu and it did not >> >>automatically wind up infecting the lot of us. >> > >> > I can assure you that using hand washed dishes does not cause colds or >> > you found the cure for the common cold. Paper plates are not just >> > sanitary, they are medically sterile. >> >> Medically sterile? Oh bwahaha! When you buy medical paper goods they are not >> even sterile unless they specifically say so on the package. > >"Medically sterile" is the same as "sterile" only it's even more sterilier. Is that the same reasoning as: "Medically pregnant" is the same as "pregnant" only it's even more pregnantier? |
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On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 12:27:06 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:23:53 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsiyahoo.com> > wrote: > > >On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 12:08:59 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote: > >> > wrote in message > >> ... > >> > On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 07:41:08 -0300, wrote: > >> > > >> >>On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:27:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: > >> >> > >> >>>On 8/17/2017 7:37 PM, Cheri wrote: > >> >>>> > wrote in message > >> >>>> ... > >> >>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:11:17 -0700, "Cheri" > > >> >>>>> wrote: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message > >> >>>>>> 9.44... > >> >>>>>>> On Thu 17 Aug 2017 05:15:08a, Janet told us... > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> In article >, > >> >>>>>>>> says... > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>>> No one needs to convince me. I have a Bosch and it is superb > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Someone must have. > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> Janet > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> " Ophelia > >> >>>>>>>> 06/04/2016 > >> >>>>>>>> Nuking food ...was Roasting Butternut Squash > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>>> I used to have a dishwasher but ended up getting rid of it. I > >> >>>>>>>> like to wash > >> >>>>>>>> up as I go along when I am cooking. I put a small upright freezer > >> >>>>>>>> in that > >> >>>>>>>> space and it gets far more use > >> >>>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> > >> >>>>>>> As early as 1952 there has always been a dishwasher in whatever home > >> >>>>>>> I > >> >>>>>>> lived in. I've often said that if I didn't have a dishasher I > >> >>>>>>> wouldn't > >> >>>>>>> cook. :-) Yes, I'm lazy. No need to ask. :-) > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> I have one but use it seldomly. I remember that O said they did get > >> >>>>>> new one > >> >>>>>> not long ago, a Bosch, which most people say they really like. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Cheri > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> I rarely use the dishwasher, perhaps 3-4 times a year, and only when > >> >>>>> the plastic freezer storage containers pile up... I find handwashing > >> >>>>> dishes for two no inconvenience whatsoever, especially since more than > >> >>>>> 50% of the time we use paper plates.... we see no reason to use china > >> >>>>> plates for a sandwich and we always use paper plates for fried foods, > >> >>>>> paper plates majorly suck out the fat calories.. and our used paper > >> >>>>> plates do double duty, they feed the cats. Plain paper plates cost > >> >>>>> .08¢ each. much less than washing dishes... and are very compostible. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I don't run mine often either, as you say it doesn't take a lot to wash > >> >>>> them, but I don't want to eat off paper plates for everyday. I feel the > >> >>>> same way about styrofoam cups etc. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Cheri > >> >>> > >> >>>Same here. I just loaded the last of the days dishes and have 17 plates > >> >>>in it. > >> > > >> > That's an awful lot of plates in a day for two people... are you sure > >> > you are just two living there? Even without using paper plates the > >> > most dishes we would generate is 4-6... at most two per meal. I wash > >> > by hand, along with a pot or two it takes me five minutes to wash our > >> > two dishes and utensils, dry, and put away. If we used the dishwasher > >> > it would take us a week to fill it. We used to use the dishwasher for > >> > company but we don't have more than 2-4 for company anymore, and then > >> > we'd use the good dishes, silverware, and glassware, those I carefully > >> > wash by hand... dishwashing compound etches fine dishes, silverware, > >> > and glassware. I have two sets of fine glassware that I used to > >> > machine wash, over a couple years it became quite cloudy... we will > >> > still use it but it'd be embarrassing for company use. > >> > > >> > And to me seeing a sink with dirty dishes and a dishwasher with dirty > >> > dishes reminds me of an unflushed toilet. I see nothing negative > >> > about paper plates, they are cleaner than dishes fresh from the > >> > dishwasher... cleanliness is the main reason fast food joints use > >> > paper/plastic throwaways. > >> > > >> >>>That would cost Sheldon 1.36 + tax. Probably costs me a buck > >> >>>with detergent to run the machine so it is not a cost factor. There are > >> >>>serving bowls, utensils and the like. > >> >>> > >> >>>Put in the detergent, push a button, come back to perfectly clean dishes > >> >>>that takes less than 5 minutes to put away. Dave mentioned the time to > >> >>>empty so I timed one load. 3 3/4 minutes. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>Same as you Ed, could not be more simple and convenient even for a > >> >>household comprised of one person. It might seem more likely that I > >> >>would be the one using paper plates but I cannot imagine doing that, > >> >>in fact, can't remember the last time I had to eat off a paper plate.. > >> >> > >> >>I did notice when we first put a dishwasher in that we were better off > >> >>health-wise. One of five could have a cold/'flu and it did not > >> >>automatically wind up infecting the lot of us. > >> > > >> > I can assure you that using hand washed dishes does not cause colds or > >> > you found the cure for the common cold. Paper plates are not just > >> > sanitary, they are medically sterile. > >> > >> Medically sterile? Oh bwahaha! When you buy medical paper goods they are not > >> even sterile unless they specifically say so on the package. > > > >"Medically sterile" is the same as "sterile" only it's even more sterilier. > > Is that the same reasoning as: > > "Medically pregnant" is the same as "pregnant" only it's even more > pregnantier? "Medically pregnant" is a little more pregnant than "pregnant" but less pregnant than "pregnant pregnant." Hope this helps. |
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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message ... > On 8/17/2017 3:13 PM, Casa de Masa wrote: >> On 8/17/2017 1:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> On 8/17/2017 2:19 PM, Casa de Masa wrote: >>>> On 8/17/2017 10:11 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: > >>>>> >>>>> Our curent one is in its sixth year. We wash at last two loads per >>>>> day. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Of dishes? >>>> >>>> How many people are you feeding?!?! >>> >>> There are two of us and I usually run it every other day. >> >> Really? >> >> You must use a lot of dishes, or perhaps you include pots and pans too. > > Two people three meals is six dishes. Perhaps a snack adds two more so > now, for 2 days we have 16 dishes, four mugs, a few glasses. Add in a > couple of mixing bowls and maybe pot, spatula, whisk and it is filled. > > I don't know how Wayne fills his twice a day, but he mentioned that > everything goes in it. Large pans and pots take up a lot of real estate. > My favorite pan is a 12" coated Wohl and most times I can just wipe it > clean with a paper towel or a swixh of the sponge so it never goes in the > DW. My parents often ran the dishwasher twice in a day even with just the two of them but they did a lot of things I did not. For instance, if I use a big spoon to stir some powdered drink mix into a pitcher, I just rinse the spoon off and put it away. Unless of course something seems to be clinging to it. Then I would wash it and put it away. If I use a tasting spoon and taste something three times while cooking, I do one of two things, depending on what I am tasting. If it is liquid that I am tasting, I might actually use the same spoon three times, perhaps rinsing in between. The tasting spoon never goes into the pot. I would just use my larger cooking/stirring spoon and drop a little of the liquid into my tasting spoon, away from the pot of course. If I felt that I needed to put the tasting spoon into whatever, I would then hand wash the spoon between uses. My parents would use three different spoons, all of which would go into the dishwasher. In fact when extended family came over for a meal, they would sometimes run out of clean flatware before the meal was on the table and would then have to pull some out of the dishwasher to hand wash for the meal. And snacks? If I'm going to eat a couple of potato chips, a cookie, piece of cheese, etc. I just grab and go. Or sometimes in the case of the cheese, I would have to use a knife or cheese slicer but in general, I like to keep a small amount cut up so I can grab and go. But not them. They would actually put the small amount of food on a plate, in a bowl or in some cases, even a small, dry, measuring cup. I can remember my mom giving me her 1/4 cup metal measuring cup with Mr. Salty pretzels in it as a snack when I was a kid. If I use a measuring cup for just water, I wouldn't wash it. I see no need. It was just water. They would wash it. Cutting boards? I tend not to use them now unless I need a totally flat surface. Mostly I use paper plates which do have a rim. But if I cut up veggies, all of which are going into the same soup, stew, salad, etc. I would use the same board/surface for all, perhaps only rinsing if for some reason it got really gunky while I was working. I would of course wash the cutting board when I was done. But them? One cutting board for the tomatoes, one for the carrots, one for the celery, etc. All of which would be washed. They also never cottoned to the idea of one board for meats and one for veggies. So it wasn't really a matter of food safety. I suppose I could go on and on here but basically they seemed to generate a lot of things to be washed, that IMO, didn't really need to be washed or even used in the first place! |
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On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:08:51 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > > wrote in message .. . >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 07:41:08 -0300, wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 20:27:42 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote: >>> >>>>On 8/17/2017 7:37 PM, Cheri wrote: >>>>> > wrote in message >>>>> ... >>>>>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:11:17 -0700, "Cheri" > >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >>>>>>> 9.44... >>>>>>>> On Thu 17 Aug 2017 05:15:08a, Janet told us... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In article >, >>>>>>>>> says... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No one needs to convince me. I have a Bosch and it is superb >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Someone must have. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Janet >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> " Ophelia >>>>>>>>> 06/04/2016 >>>>>>>>> Nuking food ...was Roasting Butternut Squash >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I used to have a dishwasher but ended up getting rid of it. I >>>>>>>>> like to wash >>>>>>>>> up as I go along when I am cooking. I put a small upright freezer >>>>>>>>> in that >>>>>>>>> space and it gets far more use >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As early as 1952 there has always been a dishwasher in whatever home >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> lived in. I've often said that if I didn't have a dishasher I >>>>>>>> wouldn't >>>>>>>> cook. :-) Yes, I'm lazy. No need to ask. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have one but use it seldomly. I remember that O said they did get >>>>>>> new one >>>>>>> not long ago, a Bosch, which most people say they really like. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheri >>>>>> >>>>>> I rarely use the dishwasher, perhaps 3-4 times a year, and only when >>>>>> the plastic freezer storage containers pile up... I find handwashing >>>>>> dishes for two no inconvenience whatsoever, especially since more than >>>>>> 50% of the time we use paper plates.... we see no reason to use china >>>>>> plates for a sandwich and we always use paper plates for fried foods, >>>>>> paper plates majorly suck out the fat calories.. and our used paper >>>>>> plates do double duty, they feed the cats. Plain paper plates cost >>>>>> .08¢ each. much less than washing dishes... and are very compostible. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't run mine often either, as you say it doesn't take a lot to wash >>>>> them, but I don't want to eat off paper plates for everyday. I feel the >>>>> same way about styrofoam cups etc. >>>>> >>>>> Cheri >>>> >>>>Same here. I just loaded the last of the days dishes and have 17 plates >>>>in it. >> >> That's an awful lot of plates in a day for two people... are you sure >> you are just two living there? Even without using paper plates the >> most dishes we would generate is 4-6... at most two per meal. I wash >> by hand, along with a pot or two it takes me five minutes to wash our >> two dishes and utensils, dry, and put away. If we used the dishwasher >> it would take us a week to fill it. We used to use the dishwasher for >> company but we don't have more than 2-4 for company anymore, and then >> we'd use the good dishes, silverware, and glassware, those I carefully >> wash by hand... dishwashing compound etches fine dishes, silverware, >> and glassware. I have two sets of fine glassware that I used to >> machine wash, over a couple years it became quite cloudy... we will >> still use it but it'd be embarrassing for company use. >> >> And to me seeing a sink with dirty dishes and a dishwasher with dirty >> dishes reminds me of an unflushed toilet. I see nothing negative >> about paper plates, they are cleaner than dishes fresh from the >> dishwasher... cleanliness is the main reason fast food joints use >> paper/plastic throwaways. >> >>>>That would cost Sheldon 1.36 + tax. Probably costs me a buck >>>>with detergent to run the machine so it is not a cost factor. There are >>>>serving bowls, utensils and the like. >>>> >>>>Put in the detergent, push a button, come back to perfectly clean dishes >>>>that takes less than 5 minutes to put away. Dave mentioned the time to >>>>empty so I timed one load. 3 3/4 minutes. >>> >>> >>>Same as you Ed, could not be more simple and convenient even for a >>>household comprised of one person. It might seem more likely that I >>>would be the one using paper plates but I cannot imagine doing that, >>>in fact, can't remember the last time I had to eat off a paper plate. >>> >>>I did notice when we first put a dishwasher in that we were better off >>>health-wise. One of five could have a cold/'flu and it did not >>>automatically wind up infecting the lot of us. >> >> I can assure you that using hand washed dishes does not cause colds or >> you found the cure for the common cold. Paper plates are not just >> sanitary, they are medically sterile. > >Medically sterile? Oh bwahaha! When you buy medical paper goods they are not >even sterile unless they specifically say so on the package. Don't need to, news print is medically sterile too, so is printer paper, and so is most other paper... most paper is as medically sterile as bandaids. So long as not handled most manufactured products are sterile, especially paper products; magazines, books, newspapers, wrapping papers. etc. |
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Janet wrote:
> > says... > > I am sure that in the old days when people knew little to nothing about food > > safety or even germs and merely put things away without so much as rinsing > > them, this could have made them ill. I am talking about days before the > > dinner plate where food may have been served on a flat piece of bread > > You numpty. The bread was eaten, as part of the meal. It wasn't put > away for re-use. LOL! Love the UK odd words and phrases.... "you numpty" lol |
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On 8/19/2017 10:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> "Especially if you want ketchup with it, 45." >>> >>> Bye, Sanne. >>> >> Ketchup on steak?! Ugh! I don't know what you mean by "45". >> >> Jill > > The 45th President of the United States, aka Donald J Trump. He > prefers his steak well-done with ketchup on it. > > Cindy Hamilton > Oh dear. Well it's a good thing I don't care what Trump eats. Jill |
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On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 10:03:44 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote: >On 8/19/2017 10:35 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>>> "Especially if you want ketchup with it, 45." >>>> >>>> Bye, Sanne. >>>> >>> Ketchup on steak?! Ugh! I don't know what you mean by "45". >>> >>> Jill >> >> The 45th President of the United States, aka Donald J Trump. He >> prefers his steak well-done with ketchup on it. >> >> Cindy Hamilton >> >Oh dear. Well it's a good thing I don't care what Trump eats. > >Jill I bet he doesn't eat any food good for the brain |
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On 8/20/2017 12:14 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Heaven forbid you use real plates Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ost > 3/18/2011 3:49 PM Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles. -sw --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away. There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.44... > On Sat 19 Aug 2017 04:34:35a, Janet told us... > >> In article >, >> says... >>> >>> On Fri 18 Aug 2017 07:06:32p, Ed Pawlowski told us... >>> >>> > On 8/18/2017 9:00 PM, Bruce wrote: >>> >> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 20:50:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >>> >> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> On 8/18/2017 8:21 PM, wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Dishwashers use far less water to do the same amount of >>> >>>>>> dishes. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> No, they don't, at least not in my house. I use around 2/12 >>> >>>>> gallons of hot water for mine, which is what I prefer to >>> >>>>> do. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Cheri >>> >>>> >>> >>>> You may prefer to do it by hand but my dishwasher uses far >>> >>>> less hot water (thats hot water from the tap, not reheated >>> >>>> in dishwasher) than that for two DAYS worth of dishes. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This subject comes up about once a year. Many studies show >>> >>> that the DW saves water >>> >> >>> >> But what if one has a very speshial water saving way of doing >>> >> the dishes by hand? >>> >> >>> > >>> > You have a point. It works for sex too. >>> > >>> >>> AZ has been in a drought for at least the last two decades, >>> although not as serious, apparently, as CA. >> >> I'm astonished to read your water sonsumption figures >> >> https://www.phoenix.gov/waterservice...ervation/water >> - >> efficiency#!ResidenceIndoorArea >> >> " the average Phoenix resident uses more than 100 gallons a day >> for >> cooking, bathing, laundry, watering the yard and many other ways." >> >> In UK, the average domestic use is 150 litres per person daily, >> which >> is 40 US gallons. >> >> http://www.cambridge-water.co.uk/cus...ater-do-you-us >> e >> >> Janet UK. >> > > Yes, we use a lot of water. That's besides the decorative and > recreational water features throughout the city. Unbelievable, truly. Cheri |
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> I presume you mean 2-1/2 gallons, not 2/12 of a gallon. My Bosch > uses 2/9 gallons on a totally full load of dishes. Barely more than > you use, and probably more disnes, cookware, etc. You said you run it at least twice a day, and of course you know what I meant just like I know what you mean with all of your typos. Cheri |
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45... > On Sun 20 Aug 2017 09:12:38a, Cheri told us... > >> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message >> >>> I presume you mean 2-1/2 gallons, not 2/12 of a gallon. My Bosch >>> uses 2/9 gallons on a totally full load of dishes. Barely more >>> than you use, and probably more disnes, cookware, etc. >> >> You said you run it at least twice a day, and of course you know >> what I meant just like I know what you mean with all of your >> typos. >> >> Cheri >> >> > The we're in sync. :-) No, not "sink". That wasn't a typo. I assume you meant Then instead of The, right? Cheri |
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On 2017-08-20, Wayne Boatwright > wrote:
> Yes. I don't know what the problem is.... I do. Yer jes lazy. Ppl ride me about my spelling mistakes, but I make 'em on purpose. Lets others know I am who I say I am. BUT! ....I still check my spelling/grammer before posting. I usually catch a few mistakes, too. Like writing "the" instead of "this" or "I" instead of "I'm". nb |
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"Janet" > wrote in message .. . > In article >, says... >> >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> ... >> > On 8/18/2017 7:18 AM, Gary wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Doctor told me once, main reason for so many more colds >> >> and flu in winter is because people keep their houses >> >> closed up and the viruses multiply in the warm environment. >> >> >> >> Also important to wash hands frequently during and after >> >> going out into public and handling things - even money. >> >> >> >> Those precautions seem to work for me so I believe. >> >> >> > >> > We have no cloth towels in the kitchen. The machine drys the dishes in >> > there, anything washed by hand air dries. Dish towels are sometimes >> > used >> > to dry hands and are potentially a source of cross contamination. Paper >> > towels do the job. >> >> My cloth towel is merely decorative. I use paper. > > Paper plates don't need washing, Julie. That's why your cloth towel is > merely decorative. I do use dishes and they are generally air dried. Only time I might dry something right away is if I use a serving piece that hasn't been used for some time. I will then wash and dry with a paper towel. |
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"Janet" > wrote in message .. . > In article >, says... >> >> "Gary" > wrote in message >> ... >> > Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> It's hard to say, as there several mitigating factors. Virtually no >> >> one hand washes dishes in water at a temperature that will kill many >> >> germs. That's strike one. If dishwashing liquid is not anti- >> >> bacterial, that's strike two. A seemingly clean dishrag or sponge can >> >> also can also contribute to the germ factor. That's strike three. >> >> >> >> With a dishwasher the incoming water is usually at least 120 degrees >> >> and many machines heat the water to an even higher temperture. Most >> >> dishwasher detergents are anti-bacaerial. Last of all, there are no >> >> dishrags or sponges involved. >> >> >> >> Again, it's hard to say... >> > >> > And there ya go whining again. oh those evil germs. I hand wash >> > and so wonder how I've survived all these years. >> > >> > I even gave ferrets access to my dinner plates for >> > "all you can eat." Once they checked it out, ate what >> > they wanted, I would eat. Evidently ferret germs are >> > not so bad. eh? >> >> I am sure that in the old days when people knew little to nothing about >> food >> safety or even germs and merely put things away without so much as >> rinsing >> them, this could have made them ill. I am talking about days before the >> dinner plate where food may have been served on a flat piece of bread > > You numpty. The bread was eaten, as part of the meal. It wasn't put > away for re-use. Dur. The bread wasn't put away and in many cases it wasn't eaten by those using it. It was given to the poor. Whatever other tools they used for the meal such as spoons or knives were put away without being washed. |
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"Sqwertz" > wrote in message ... > On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:20:18 -0700, Julie Bove wrote: > >> "Sqwertz" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On Thu, 17 Aug 2017 16:50:09 -0400, wrote: >>> >>>> Plain paper plates cost >>>> .08¢ each. much less than washing dishes... and are very compostible. >>> >>> What is that, 2032 prices? You're getting majorly ripped off if >>> you're paying $.08/ea for plain paper plates. Even the "heavy duty", >>> wax coated ones are only about $.05/ea. >>> >>> Face it, you really don't know how much anything really costs. >> >> Plate prices can really vary. I try to only buy when on sale and store >> brands are often cheaper. I also buy little ones like for birthday cake, >> online. ... > > Heaven forbid you use real plates those 3 times a year rather than > buying them online and waiting for a birthday. I am not lugging real plates to where my mom lives. That's generally where we have family get togethers. Her meals are provided. She has no plates. |
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notbob wrote:
> On 2017-08-20, Wayne Boatwright > wrote: > >> Yes. I don't know what the problem is.... > > I do. Yer jes lazy. > > Ppl ride me about my spelling mistakes, but I make 'em on purpose. > Lets others know I am who I say I am. BUT! ....I still check my > spelling/grammer before posting. I usually catch a few mistakes, too. > Like writing "the" instead of "this" or "I" instead of "I'm". > > nb heh "grammer" |
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"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message .44... > On Sat 19 Aug 2017 05:15:36a, jmcquown told us... > >> On 8/18/2017 4:07 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >>> I only kept a different set of Limoges Porcelain that >>> had been passed down from my great grandmother to my grandmoher >>> to my mother and then to me. Our everyday dishes are the Blue >>> Willow pattern made by Wedgewood. Our SS flatare is a copy of a >>> Sterling silver pattern. >>> >>> I don't think we've used the LImoges set in a dozen years, mainly >>> because they are gold trimmed, and at that time no manufacturer >>> was putting a glaze over the gold, so it would actualy wash off >>> the dishes after a few cycles. >> >> Your great grandmother and grandmother likely didn't have >> automatic diswhashers.* You're not supposed to put fine china in >> the dishwasher. >> Of course you know this. >> >> My bone china is rimmed with platinum. It has never seen the >> inside of a dishwasher. >> >> *Here's a fun ad for a GE dishwasher featuring Bette Davis circa >> 1930: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BmidgIRM5Q >> >> Gee, we didn't get an automatic dishwasher until 1968! It was one >> Mom had to roll over and hook up to the faucet on the kitchen >> sink. Top loading. I remember having to stand on my toes to put >> the dishes in it. >> I wasn't quite tall enough to reach that bottom rack. I'm not >> sure >> that dishwasher was worth the effort. >> >> Jill >> > > Great video! We had neighbors that had a built-in top loading d/w > similar to this one, but it was a different brand. This was in 1950 > or 1951. > > When I rented my first apartment it didn't have a dishwasher. Before > I moved in I bought a GE top-loading portable. I wasn't going to be > without a dishwasher. :-) I grew up without one. I learned to hate the first one I had. It was very brutal for some reason. Ate the pattern off of my dishes and broke my glasses. Wasn't the detergent but the unit itself. Repairman said I wasn't the only one with that problem. Next two places I lived in were old. No dishwashers, no big deal. I did put my foot down when we moved to Cape Cod. I hated the house. No choice as it was military. House had so many drawbacks. including only one very small bathroom that I demanded a dishwasher. I had to buy it myself. It was a portable. I did like it. Perhaps less for it being a dishwasher but more for it being an additional work space. It had a wooden top. I never used it for cutting things or kneading dough but it did come in handy at times. After that, I've only used dishwashers sporadically. My current one is holding some large plastic containers that don't fit well in my cupboards. |
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On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 02:45:52 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote: > >"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message 9.44... >> >> Great video! We had neighbors that had a built-in top loading d/w >> similar to this one, but it was a different brand. This was in 1950 >> or 1951. >> >> When I rented my first apartment it didn't have a dishwasher. Before >> I moved in I bought a GE top-loading portable. I wasn't going to be >> without a dishwasher. :-) > >I grew up without one. I learned to hate the first one I had. It was very >brutal for some reason. Ate the pattern off of my dishes and broke my >glasses. Wasn't the detergent but the unit itself. Repairman said I wasn't >the only one with that problem. > >Next two places I lived in were old. No dishwashers, no big deal. > >I did put my foot down when we moved to Cape Cod. I hated the house. No >choice as it was military. House had so many drawbacks. including only one >very small bathroom that I demanded a dishwasher. I had to buy it myself. It >was a portable. I did like it. Perhaps less for it being a dishwasher but >more for it being an additional work space. It had a wooden top. I never >used it for cutting things or kneading dough but it did come in handy at >times. > >After that, I've only used dishwashers sporadically. My current one is >holding some large plastic containers that don't fit well in my cupboards. It's my favourite machine. I wish I could put the whole house in it, plus the yard and the cars. |
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"Bruce" wrote in message ...
On Mon, 21 Aug 2017 02:45:52 -0700, "Julie Bove" > wrote: > >"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message 9.44... >> >> Great video! We had neighbors that had a built-in top loading d/w >> similar to this one, but it was a different brand. This was in 1950 >> or 1951. >> >> When I rented my first apartment it didn't have a dishwasher. Before >> I moved in I bought a GE top-loading portable. I wasn't going to be >> without a dishwasher. :-) > >I grew up without one. I learned to hate the first one I had. It was very >brutal for some reason. Ate the pattern off of my dishes and broke my >glasses. Wasn't the detergent but the unit itself. Repairman said I wasn't >the only one with that problem. > >Next two places I lived in were old. No dishwashers, no big deal. > >I did put my foot down when we moved to Cape Cod. I hated the house. No >choice as it was military. House had so many drawbacks. including only one >very small bathroom that I demanded a dishwasher. I had to buy it myself. >It >was a portable. I did like it. Perhaps less for it being a dishwasher but >more for it being an additional work space. It had a wooden top. I never >used it for cutting things or kneading dough but it did come in handy at >times. > >After that, I've only used dishwashers sporadically. My current one is >holding some large plastic containers that don't fit well in my cupboards. It's my favourite machine. I wish I could put the whole house in it, plus the yard and the cars. == <g> that could be useful )-- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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