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My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said that
Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen sink sponge is
the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse that the toilet. Says
the sponge should be replaced every week. Says microwaving it doesm't help
much. No info about magazine issue date or the name of the article and I
didn't search for it.

I think they could be right and will start replacing my sponge weekly.

I bet boiling it for five or ten minutes in water would work but replacing
it is simpler and more likely to be effective.



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> My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said that
> Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen sink sponge is
> the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse that the toilet. Says
> the sponge should be replaced every week. Says microwaving it doesm't help
> much. No info about magazine issue date or the name of the article and I
> didn't search for it.
>
> I think they could be right and will start replacing my sponge weekly.
>
> I bet boiling it for five or ten minutes in water would work but replacing
> it is simpler and more likely to be effective.


I've never made it a habit to use sponges. I do keep a few cheap ones and on
the rare occasion that I do use one, it's tossed. Mostly I use paper towels
for cleaning. Use a brush for dishes. I imagine someone will likely say that
those aren't good either.

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>> My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said that
>> Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen sink sponge is
>> the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse that the toilet. Says
>> the sponge should be replaced every week. Says microwaving it doesm't
>> help
>> much. No info about magazine issue date or the name of the article and I
>> didn't search for it.
>>
>> I think they could be right and will start replacing my sponge weekly.
>>
>> I bet boiling it for five or ten minutes in water would work but
>> replacing
>> it is simpler and more likely to be effective.

>
> I've never made it a habit to use sponges. I do keep a few cheap ones
> and on the rare occasion that I do use one, it's tossed. Mostly I use
> paper towels for cleaning. Use a brush for dishes. I imagine someone
> will likely say that those aren't good either.


Paper towels are good, the brush may be better than a sponge, but could
still carry bacteria.

I use the green scrubbie sponge things and put them in the dishwasher a
couple of times a week or nuke it a minute in the microwave. You could
do that with a brush,
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> ....the brush may be better than a sponge, but could
> still carry bacteria.....


I use a brush instead of a sponge. I soak it in chlorine bleach to
keep it clean. Been using the same brush fer 7 yrs.

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I hate sponges, who knows what's hiding in those nooks and crannies. I use one or two clean knitted cotton dishcloths a day, then toss them in the laundry each night. Take out another clean one the next morning. I won't use one for more than just a day. I can knit a new washcloth in less than an hour while watching tv, and they last for years.

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On 15 Aug 2017 17:10:44 GMT, KenK > wrote:

>My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said that
>Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen sink sponge is
>the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse that the toilet. Says
>the sponge should be replaced every week. Says microwaving it doesm't help
>much. No info about magazine issue date or the name of the article and I
>didn't search for it.
>
>I think they could be right and will start replacing my sponge weekly.
>
>I bet boiling it for five or ten minutes in water would work but replacing
>it is simpler and more likely to be effective.


Mine goes in the dishwasher when I run it, so far, so good
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> "KenK" > wrote in message
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>> My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said that
>> Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen sink sponge is
>> the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse that the toilet. Says
>> the sponge should be replaced every week. Says microwaving it doesm't
>> help
>> much. No info about magazine issue date or the name of the article and I
>> didn't search for it.
>>
>> I think they could be right and will start replacing my sponge weekly.
>>
>> I bet boiling it for five or ten minutes in water would work but
>> replacing
>> it is simpler and more likely to be effective.

>
> I've never made it a habit to use sponges. I do keep a few cheap ones and
> on the rare occasion that I do use one, it's tossed. Mostly I use paper
> towels for cleaning. Use a brush for dishes. I imagine someone will likely
> say that those aren't good either.



I don't care much for sponges either, except maybe for washing a car or
something like that. I use dishrags that can be, and are, bleached.

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On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 10:10:52 AM UTC-7, KenK wrote:
> My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said that
> Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen sink sponge is
> the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse that the toilet. Says
> the sponge should be replaced every week. Says microwaving it doesm't help
> much. No info about magazine issue date or the name of the article and I
> didn't search for it.
>
> I think they could be right and will start replacing my sponge weekly.
>
> I bet boiling it for five or ten minutes in water would work but replacing
> it is simpler and more likely to be effective.
>
>
>
> --
> I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook.


I use a dish cloth. And I change them very often and they get thorough washing. I don't like sponges, never did.

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> On 8/15/2017 1:14 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
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>> "KenK" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said that
>>> Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen sink sponge
>>> is
>>> the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse that the toilet.
>>> Says
>>> the sponge should be replaced every week. Says microwaving it doesm't
>>> help
>>> much. No info about magazine issue date or the name of the article and I
>>> didn't search for it.
>>>
>>> I think they could be right and will start replacing my sponge weekly.
>>>
>>> I bet boiling it for five or ten minutes in water would work but
>>> replacing
>>> it is simpler and more likely to be effective.

>>
>> I've never made it a habit to use sponges. I do keep a few cheap ones and
>> on the rare occasion that I do use one, it's tossed. Mostly I use paper
>> towels for cleaning. Use a brush for dishes. I imagine someone will
>> likely say that those aren't good either.

>
> Paper towels are good, the brush may be better than a sponge, but could
> still carry bacteria.
>
> I use the green scrubbie sponge things and put them in the dishwasher a
> couple of times a week or nuke it a minute in the microwave. You could do
> that with a brush,


If I used my dishwasher, I could. But I don't. I do look for brushes on sale
and replace them often.



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> I hate sponges, who knows what's hiding in those nooks and crannies. I use one or two clean knitted cotton dishcloths a day, then toss them in the laundry each night. Take out another clean one the next morning. I won't use one for more than just a day.
>
> Denise in NH
>
>

Same here. I never got the hang of using a sponge and I guess that's
because my mom never used one either. Clean dish cloth here EVERY
day and fortunately terry dish cloths are cheap enough that I have
about 25 of them. Never a shortage of something to wash dishes with
around this castle.

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KenK wrote:
> My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said that
> Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen sink sponge is
> the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse that the toilet. Says
> the sponge should be replaced every week. Says microwaving it doesm't help
> much. No info about magazine issue date or the name of the article and I
> didn't search for it.
>
> I think they could be right and will start replacing my sponge weekly.
>
> I bet boiling it for five or ten minutes in water would work but replacing
> it is simpler and more likely to be effective.


I've used a sponge for decades and I'm fine. It helps if you rinse it
properly after each use and only use it for washing dishes (not mopping
up the countertop and just letting it sit - blecch). Also news flash -
you rinse the dishes after washing! I have a good sense of smell and if
my sponge has the slightest whiff of anything other than clean sponginess
I demote it to floor or bathroom cleaning duties.

At the office I nuke the sponge regularly. Make sure it's nice and wet
first, and handle with care when taking out of the microwave. Rinse with
cold water and it's nicely freshened up.

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> "KenK" > wrote in message
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> > My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said
> > that Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen
> > sink sponge is the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse
> > that the toilet. Says the sponge should be replaced every week.
> > Says microwaving it doesm't help much. No info about magazine issue
> > date or the name of the article and I didn't search for it.
> >
> > I think they could be right and will start replacing my sponge
> > weekly.
> >
> > I bet boiling it for five or ten minutes in water would work but
> > replacing it is simpler and more likely to be effective.

>
> I've never made it a habit to use sponges. I do keep a few cheap ones
> and on the rare occasion that I do use one, it's tossed. Mostly I use
> paper towels for cleaning. Use a brush for dishes. I imagine someone
> will likely say that those aren't good either.


How about like most, put it in the dishwasher to sanitize.

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Surprise surprise there's germs on the sponge.

I use a scotchbrite sponge and dish soap to wash dishes in the sink..
Then rinse the dishes and don't touch them with the sponge again.
What's so difficult about that?


On 15 Aug 2017 17:10:44 GMT, KenK > wrote:

>My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said that
>Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen sink sponge is
>the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse that the toilet. Says
>the sponge should be replaced every week. Says microwaving it doesm't help
>much. No info about magazine issue date or the name of the article and I
>didn't search for it.
>
>I think they could be right and will start replacing my sponge weekly.
>
>I bet boiling it for five or ten minutes in water would work but replacing
>it is simpler and more likely to be effective.



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I don't use sponges...I use regular washcloths. They are economical, easy to wash in
hot water and detergent with an anti-bacterial liquid added. Or bleach.

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I don't think the dishwasher would take care of the bacteria. For one thing, all the initial
rinse water would soak in leaving bits of whatever is rinsed off the dishes and
silverware, and it is unlikely the final rinse and even the heated dry cycle would take care
of the bacteria it collected in the beginning of the cycle. Think about it.

N.
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I keep a nylon scrubby just for scrubbing the outsides of baking potatoes before
baking them.

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> Surprise surprise there's germs on the sponge.
>
> I use a scotchbrite sponge and dish soap to wash dishes in the sink..
> Then rinse the dishes and don't touch them with the sponge again.
> What's so difficult about that?


Exactly. There are more germs in my mouth than on my dishes.
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>I don't use sponges...I use regular washcloths. They are economical, easy to wash in
>hot water and detergent with an anti-bacterial liquid added. Or bleach.
>
>N.


Once every couple of years I buy a pack of white terry shop cloths at
Costco. The stack of them lasts a couple of years and get passed on
to my husband to become rags/shop cloths. There's maybe 50 or more
cloths for $15 (approx)
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On 8/16/2017 10:25 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
> I don't think the dishwasher would take care of the bacteria. For one thing, all the initial
> rinse water would soak in leaving bits of whatever is rinsed off the dishes and
> silverware, and it is unlikely the final rinse and even the heated dry cycle would take care
> of the bacteria it collected in the beginning of the cycle. Think about it.
>
> N.
>


I have thought about it. It works. It may shock some of the ardent hand
washers here that don't use the machines.



http://www.healthycleaning101.org/au...c-dishwashing/
Automatic dishwashing is superior to hand dishwashing in other ways. One
of the most important of these is the manner in which it sanitizes
dishes. A study by the University of Louisville School of Medicine
pointed out that the average bacteria count for all machine-washed
dishes in their study was less than 1 per plate, while the bacteria
count on dishes washed by hand during the same test averaged 390 per
plate. Bearing in mind that bacteria are ever present on our hands, on
working surfaces, on dishcloths, sponges, dishtowels and the like, it is
not surprising that some of the hand-washed dishes in this study had a
bacteria count as high as 16,000. All the machine washed dishes easily
met the public health standard of 100 bacteria or less per plate, a
level recognized by health authorities as safe and attainable.

http://www.stopthestomachflu.com/how...lly-kill-germs
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> I don't use sponges...I use regular washcloths. They are economical, easy to wash in
> hot water and detergent with an anti-bacterial liquid added. Or bleach.
>
> N.


I use the same. I buy a 12 pack of cheap white washcloths at
Walmart or Target. Good products at a good price. I just switch
them occasionally and put the used ones in the laundry. works
fine.
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> I keep a nylon scrubby just for scrubbing the outsides of baking potatoes before
> baking them.
>
> N.


For potatoes, I just rub with hands under water. The green scruby
pads, I use for getting off things on the frying pan that the
washcloth won't take off. Also for cleaning my bathtub.
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> Once every couple of years I buy a pack of white terry shop cloths at
> Costco. The stack of them lasts a couple of years and get passed on
> to my husband to become rags/shop cloths. There's maybe 50 or more
> cloths for $15 (approx)


Yikes! What a great deal. I also buy the large packs of white
terry cloths but at Walmart or Target it's more like 12 for 3-4
dollars. Good deal and I need to buy more next time I go. Your
price is so much better.
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On 8/16/2017 12:23 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> if you wash a lot of
> dishes entirely by hand.
>
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Am Mittwoch, 16. August 2017 17:03:42 UTC+2 schrieb Gary:
> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
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> > Once every couple of years I buy a pack of white terry shop cloths at
> > Costco. The stack of them lasts a couple of years and get passed on
> > to my husband to become rags/shop cloths. There's maybe 50 or more
> > cloths for $15 (approx)


That's 30 Cents per cloth (or a little less).

> Yikes! What a great deal. I also buy the large packs of white
> terry cloths but at Walmart or Target it's more like 12 for 3-4
> dollars.


That's 25 to 33 1/3 Cents per cloth.

> Good deal and I need to buy more next time I go.


Maybe.

> Your price is so much better.


No.
Don't get fooled by bulk prices. The shops learned how to milk their
customers as much as they can. Often, the medium-sized packages are the
ones you pay the least for per weight/volume/item.

Bye, Sanne.
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> Most homeowners have the hot water heaters set to around 120°F, not
> nearly not enough to santize dishes, especially since the water in
> the sink is likely to be much lower than 120°F. People who are only
> hand-washing their dishware and cookware are only fooling themselves
> if they think it's sanitary.


My God, what a baby you are. You wash your dishes and you rinse
them. They are clean, no need to sterilize them like Ball jars
for canning. Get real.
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>On Tuesday, August 15, 2017 at 10:16:52 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> Surprise surprise there's germs on the sponge.
>>
>> I use a scotchbrite sponge and dish soap to wash dishes in the sink..
>> Then rinse the dishes and don't touch them with the sponge again.
>> What's so difficult about that?

>
>Exactly. There are more germs in my mouth than on my dishes.


There are more bacteria in the air we breathe than are on dishes
directly after washing regardless how... and the same airborne
bacteria settle on dishes in the cabinet even were they actually
sterile after washing. Were I obsessed with bacteria I'd have to live
in a plastic bubble. The most sanitary dishes anyone can posssibly
use are paper plates, they are sterilized during the manufacturing
process. Most of us have a functioning immune system otherwise
regardless how one washes dishes they'd be dead.
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On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 08:58:13 -0700 (PDT), sanne
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>Am Mittwoch, 16. August 2017 17:03:42 UTC+2 schrieb Gary:
>> "U.S. Janet B." wrote:
>> >
>> > Once every couple of years I buy a pack of white terry shop cloths at
>> > Costco. The stack of them lasts a couple of years and get passed on
>> > to my husband to become rags/shop cloths. There's maybe 50 or more
>> > cloths for $15 (approx)

>
>That's 30 Cents per cloth (or a little less).
>
>> Yikes! What a great deal. I also buy the large packs of white
>> terry cloths but at Walmart or Target it's more like 12 for 3-4
>> dollars.

>
>That's 25 to 33 1/3 Cents per cloth.
>
>> Good deal and I need to buy more next time I go.

>
>Maybe.
>
>> Your price is so much better.

>
>No.
>Don't get fooled by bulk prices. The shops learned how to milk their
>customers as much as they can. Often, the medium-sized packages are the
>ones you pay the least for per weight/volume/item.
>
>Bye, Sanne.


That's because typically the medium sizes are those that sell the most
volume... retailers don't make any profit from the bulk sizes that
just sit in stock due to the high price for so large an amount.

And it doesn't always make sense to buy in bulk sizes, not if one
doesn't get to use it all.


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On Wed 16 Aug 2017 07:52:25a, Ed Pawlowski told us...

> On 8/16/2017 10:25 AM, Nancy2 wrote:
>> I don't think the dishwasher would take care of the bacteria.
>> For one thing, all the initial rinse water would soak in leaving
>> bits of whatever is rinsed off the dishes and silverware, and it
>> is unlikely the final rinse and even the heated dry cycle would
>> take care of the bacteria it collected in the beginning of the
>> cycle. Think about it.
>>
>> N.
>>

>
> I have thought about it. It works. It may shock some of the
> ardent hand washers here that don't use the machines.
>
>
>
> http://www.healthycleaning101.org/au...c-dishwashing/
> Automatic dishwashing is superior to hand dishwashing in other
> ways. One of the most important of these is the manner in which it
> sanitizes dishes. A study by the University of Louisville School
> of Medicine pointed out that the average bacteria count for all
> machine-washed dishes in their study was less than 1 per plate,
> while the bacteria count on dishes washed by hand during the same
> test averaged 390 per plate. Bearing in mind that bacteria are
> ever present on our hands, on working surfaces, on dishcloths,
> sponges, dishtowels and the like, it is not surprising that some
> of the hand-washed dishes in this study had a bacteria count as
> high as 16,000. All the machine washed dishes easily met the
> public health standard of 100 bacteria or less per plate, a level
> recognized by health authorities as safe and attainable.
>
> http://www.stopthestomachflu.com/how...shwasher-reall
> y-kill-germs
>


Very interesting statistics, Ed. Our family's first dishwasher was a
KitchenAid installed in 1952. It only had one cycle that was
activated by an "on" switch. However, it did have heated forced air
drying and a cncealed heating element that kept the water hot. How
hot? I don't know, but those dishes were much too hot to handle when
the cycle finished. Back then it was almost always necessary to
scrape and/or pre-rinse the dishes.

Skip forward to present day and the majority of high-end dishwashers
have numerous cycles, and usually a sanitize cycle.

The owner's manual for our Bosch dishwasher specifically states only
to remove large debris from the dishes and cookware, and not to
scrape and/or pre-rinse anything put in the machine. Our experience
over the past five years has proven that no pre-preparation has ever
been required. We use our sanitize cycle exclusively, and the
temperture tops out at 160-165°F. I would never question how
sanitized our dishes are.

A study of other high-end dishwashers with sanitize cycles have
temperatures that top out on average around 155-156°F. Also
perfectly acceptable for sanitrize it's contents.

Most homeowners have the hot water heaters set to around 120°F, not
nearly not enough to santize dishes, especially since the water in
the sink is likely to be much lower than 120°F. People who are only
hand-washing their dishware and cookware are only fooling themselves
if they think it's sanitary.
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My Bosch has top temp at 60c-75c (175°F) and I always use that. I've not
had anything melt yet <g>


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On 8/16/2017 11:42 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> The owner's manual for our Bosch dishwasher specifically states only
> to remove large debris from the dishes and cookware, and not to
> scrape and/or pre-rinse anything put in the machine. Our experience
> over the past five years has proven that no pre-preparation has ever
> been required.


I haven't been able to convince my brother he doesn't have to
wash the dishes before putting them into the machine. Gave up on
that, it's his house but it's just such a waste of water.

He's the one with the Bosch, I have my Whirlpool and pretty much
the only time I see a dirty item come out of it is a loading issue.

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On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 12:33:51 PM UTC-4, Gary wrote:
> Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> >
> > Most homeowners have the hot water heaters set to around 120°F, not
> > nearly not enough to santize dishes, especially since the water in
> > the sink is likely to be much lower than 120°F. People who are only
> > hand-washing their dishware and cookware are only fooling themselves
> > if they think it's sanitary.

>
> My God, what a baby you are. You wash your dishes and you rinse
> them. They are clean, no need to sterilize them like Ball jars
> for canning. Get real.


I just put mine on the patio and let the ants clean 'em off. In
the winter it's the basement and pillbugs.

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On 2017-08-16 4:03 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> On 15 Aug 2017 17:10:44 GMT, KenK wrote:
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>> My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said that
>> Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen sink sponge is
>> the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse that the toilet. Says
>> the sponge should be replaced every week. Says microwaving it doesm't help
>> much. No info about magazine issue date or the name of the article and I
>> didn't search for it.

>
> I found it. The "study" examined 14 sponges they collected from
> households from a 60 square mile area in Germany.
>
> The magnitude of this study is equal to that of a 12th grade science
> experiment. Yet this is the third place I've heard about it. It's
> amazing how social media can glamorize and publicize even those most
> bum**** of stories.
>
> -sw
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Next they'll purport that homeopathy works:-)
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I read your keyboard is the germiest thing in the house, the phone is germy too.
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Sqwertz wrote:
> On 15 Aug 2017 17:10:44 GMT, KenK wrote:
>
>> My local newspaper had an interesting editorial yesterday. It said that
>> Popular Science magazine had an article saying the kitchen sink sponge is
>> the most germ-laden object in the house, even worse that the toilet. Says
>> the sponge should be replaced every week. Says microwaving it doesm't help
>> much. No info about magazine issue date or the name of the article and I
>> didn't search for it.

>
> I found it. The "study" examined 14 sponges they collected from
> households from a 60 square mile area in Germany.
>
> The magnitude of this study is equal to that of a 12th grade science
> experiment. Yet this is the third place I've heard about it. It's
> amazing how social media can glamorize and publicize even those most
> bum**** of stories.
>
> -sw


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