On 8/17/2017 2:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> Overcrowding the utensil basket is another culprit. If your
> dishwasher only has one wash arm at the bottom of the machine, water
> must be allowed to flow betwen the bottom rack dishes in order to
> reach the top rack.

That reminds me of when I loaded the dishwasher when my brother was
here. He actually started rearranging the flatware in the utensil
basket after I loaded it. He put all the spoons together in one basket,
forks together, etc. All facing the same direction. Wow. Really? You
do know those spoons and forks might nest together, right? LOL

Oh, and the dinner knives, including steak knives, he put in the basket
point up. WTF?! Um, I really don't want to be emptying the dishwasher
with even dull dinner knife blades pointing *up*. Yikes. He really had
no idea how to load utensils in a dishwasher.

Jill

On 8/18/2017 12:45 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/17/2017 2:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Overcrowding the utensil basket is another culprit.* If your
>> dishwasher only has one wash arm at the bottom of the machine, water
>> must be allowed to flow betwen the bottom rack dishes in order to
>> reach the top rack.
>
> That reminds me of when I loaded the dishwasher when my brother was
> here.* He actually started rearranging the flatware in the utensil
> basket after I loaded it.* He put all the spoons together in one basket,
> forks together, etc.* All facing the same direction.* Wow.* Really?* You
> do know those spoons and forks might nest together, right? LOL
>
>
> Jill

About a year go when my wife was in the hospital they had soup for
lunch. she took a couple of spoonful and said it did not feel right.
sure enough there were two spoons stuck together and it was disgusting
what was inside.

The sent it to the wrong person. I photographed it and sent copies to
the hospital administration and the food service. It created quit a
stir and a review of procedures and training. They switched to
disposables for a few days too.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 00:45:41 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/17/2017 2:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> Overcrowding the utensil basket is another culprit. If your
>> dishwasher only has one wash arm at the bottom of the machine, water
>> must be allowed to flow betwen the bottom rack dishes in order to
>> reach the top rack.
>
>That reminds me of when I loaded the dishwasher when my brother was
>here. He actually started rearranging the flatware in the utensil
>basket after I loaded it. He put all the spoons together in one basket,
>forks together, etc. All facing the same direction. Wow. Really? You
>do know those spoons and forks might nest together, right? LOL
>
>Oh, and the dinner knives, including steak knives, he put in the basket
>point up. WTF?! Um, I really don't want to be emptying the dishwasher
>with even dull dinner knife blades pointing *up*. Yikes. He really had
>no idea how to load utensils in a dishwasher.
>
>Jill
I read in a manual long ago that
sharps (knives and pokey forks) go in point up, but, you select a
basket compartment where you always know they will be. For me, it is
the compartment at the back-right of the dishwasher. Point up and you
will not cut up the utensil basket, or drop the point low enough to
interfere with the impeller.
Janet US

On 8/18/2017 12:30 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 00:45:41 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/17/2017 2:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> Overcrowding the utensil basket is another culprit. If your
>>> dishwasher only has one wash arm at the bottom of the machine, water
>>> must be allowed to flow betwen the bottom rack dishes in order to
>>> reach the top rack.
>>
>> That reminds me of when I loaded the dishwasher when my brother was
>> here. He actually started rearranging the flatware in the utensil
>> basket after I loaded it. He put all the spoons together in one basket,
>> forks together, etc. All facing the same direction. Wow. Really? You
>> do know those spoons and forks might nest together, right? LOL
>>
>> Oh, and the dinner knives, including steak knives, he put in the basket
>> point up. WTF?! Um, I really don't want to be emptying the dishwasher
>> with even dull dinner knife blades pointing *up*. Yikes. He really had
>> no idea how to load utensils in a dishwasher.
>>
>> Jill
> I read in a manual long ago that
> sharps (knives and pokey forks) go in point up, but, you select a
> basket compartment where you always know they will be. For me, it is
> the compartment at the back-right of the dishwasher. Point up and you
> will not cut up the utensil basket, or drop the point low enough to
> interfere with the impeller.
> Janet US
>
That makes sense. My brother was putting them face up in the rack at
the very front of the dishwasher. OUCH!

Jill

On 8/18/2017 1:21 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 17 Aug 2017 09:45:41p, jmcquown told us...
>
>> On 8/17/2017 2:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> Overcrowding the utensil basket is another culprit. If your
>>> dishwasher only has one wash arm at the bottom of the machine,
>>> water must be allowed to flow betwen the bottom rack dishes in
>>> order to reach the top rack.
>>
>> That reminds me of when I loaded the dishwasher when my brother
>> was here. He actually started rearranging the flatware in the
>> utensil basket after I loaded it. He put all the spoons together
>> in one basket, forks together, etc. All facing the same
>> direction. Wow. Really? You do know those spoons and forks
>> might nest together, right? LOL
>
> Nesting is really a bad practice, as you know.
>
>> Oh, and the dinner knives, including steak knives, he put in the
>> basket point up. WTF?! Um, I really don't want to be emptying
>> the dishwasher with even dull dinner knife blades pointing *up*.
>> Yikes. He really had no idea how to load utensils in a
>> dishwasher.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>
> Dinner knives can actually be affected by washing and drying with the
> blade down. I found this when I spoke the manufacturer of the SS
> flatware I have and qustioned why I was getting some spotting and
> light pitting on the blades. (I had the blades loaded downward.)
> They explaineed that even though the knives are all made of SS, the
> handles are often cast SS while the blades are a different
> composition. Water dripping down from the handles can actually
> effecvt the bladee. Naturally this does not apply to all flatware.
>
> The company replaced my knives and I have not had any problems since.
>
Okay, I'll take your word for it. I've never seen any pitting or
spotting on my table knives. I definitely didn't appreciate getting
stabbed when taking blade up dinner knives out of the dishwasher. Janet
US suggested they should go blade up at the back. That makes sense.

Nesting spoons and forks, sorry, that's not how I load a dishwasher.

Jill

On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:20:08 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/18/2017 12:30 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 00:45:41 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/17/2017 2:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> Overcrowding the utensil basket is another culprit. If your
>>>> dishwasher only has one wash arm at the bottom of the machine, water
>>>> must be allowed to flow betwen the bottom rack dishes in order to
>>>> reach the top rack.
>>>
>>> That reminds me of when I loaded the dishwasher when my brother was
>>> here. He actually started rearranging the flatware in the utensil
>>> basket after I loaded it. He put all the spoons together in one basket,
>>> forks together, etc. All facing the same direction. Wow. Really? You
>>> do know those spoons and forks might nest together, right? LOL
>>>
>>> Oh, and the dinner knives, including steak knives, he put in the basket
>>> point up. WTF?! Um, I really don't want to be emptying the dishwasher
>>> with even dull dinner knife blades pointing *up*. Yikes. He really had
>>> no idea how to load utensils in a dishwasher.
>>>
>>> Jill
>> I read in a manual long ago that
>> sharps (knives and pokey forks) go in point up, but, you select a
>> basket compartment where you always know they will be. For me, it is
>> the compartment at the back-right of the dishwasher. Point up and you
>> will not cut up the utensil basket, or drop the point low enough to
>> interfere with the impeller.
>> Janet US
>>
>That makes sense. My brother was putting them face up in the rack at
>the very front of the dishwasher. OUCH!
>
>Jill

In my house, that would be asking for trouble. We're always opening
the door just far enough to slip something in -- yowee!
Janet US

On 8/18/2017 2:12 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 13:20:08 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/18/2017 12:30 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 00:45:41 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/17/2017 2:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>> Overcrowding the utensil basket is another culprit. If your
>>>>> dishwasher only has one wash arm at the bottom of the machine, water
>>>>> must be allowed to flow betwen the bottom rack dishes in order to
>>>>> reach the top rack.
>>>>
>>>> That reminds me of when I loaded the dishwasher when my brother was
>>>> here. He actually started rearranging the flatware in the utensil
>>>> basket after I loaded it. He put all the spoons together in one basket,
>>>> forks together, etc. All facing the same direction. Wow. Really? You
>>>> do know those spoons and forks might nest together, right? LOL
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and the dinner knives, including steak knives, he put in the basket
>>>> point up. WTF?! Um, I really don't want to be emptying the dishwasher
>>>> with even dull dinner knife blades pointing *up*. Yikes. He really had
>>>> no idea how to load utensils in a dishwasher.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>> I read in a manual long ago that
>>> sharps (knives and pokey forks) go in point up, but, you select a
>>> basket compartment where you always know they will be. For me, it is
>>> the compartment at the back-right of the dishwasher. Point up and you
>>> will not cut up the utensil basket, or drop the point low enough to
>>> interfere with the impeller.
>>> Janet US
>>>
>> That makes sense. My brother was putting them face up in the rack at
>> the very front of the dishwasher. OUCH!
>>
>> Jill
>
> In my house, that would be asking for trouble. We're always opening
> the door just far enough to slip something in -- yowee!
> Janet US
>
Thanks for the info. I knew it wasn't right to put them in the front
basket.

Jill

On 8/18/2017 11:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/18/2017 12:45 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/17/2017 2:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> Overcrowding the utensil basket is another culprit. If your
>>> dishwasher only has one wash arm at the bottom of the machine, water
>>> must be allowed to flow betwen the bottom rack dishes in order to
>>> reach the top rack.
>>
>> That reminds me of when I loaded the dishwasher when my brother was
>> here. He actually started rearranging the flatware in the utensil
>> basket after I loaded it. He put all the spoons together in one
>> basket, forks together, etc. All facing the same direction. Wow.
>> Really? You do know those spoons and forks might nest together,
>> right? LOL
>>
>>
>> Jill
>
> About a year go when my wife was in the hospital they had soup for
> lunch. she took a couple of spoonful and said it did not feel right.
> sure enough there were two spoons stuck together and it was disgusting
> what was inside.
>
"nesting" is simply not a good way to put utensils in a dishwasher.
They need to be arranged in such a manner they don't get stuck together.

> The sent it to the wrong person. I photographed it and sent copies to
> the hospital administration and the food service. It created quit a
> stir and a review of procedures and training. They switched to
> disposables for a few days too.

I hope they didn't try to wash the disposables in a dishwasher.

Jill

On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 23:30:02 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/18/2017 11:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/18/2017 12:45 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 8/17/2017 2:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> Overcrowding the utensil basket is another culprit. If your
>>>> dishwasher only has one wash arm at the bottom of the machine, water
>>>> must be allowed to flow betwen the bottom rack dishes in order to
>>>> reach the top rack.
>>>
>>> That reminds me of when I loaded the dishwasher when my brother was
>>> here. He actually started rearranging the flatware in the utensil
>>> basket after I loaded it. He put all the spoons together in one
>>> basket, forks together, etc. All facing the same direction. Wow.
>>> Really? You do know those spoons and forks might nest together,
>>> right? LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> About a year go when my wife was in the hospital they had soup for
>> lunch. she took a couple of spoonful and said it did not feel right.
>> sure enough there were two spoons stuck together and it was disgusting
>> what was inside.
>>
>"nesting" is simply not a good way to put utensils in a dishwasher.
>They need to be arranged in such a manner they don't get stuck together.

Not just utensils, any items nested will result in improper washing

>> The sent it to the wrong person. I photographed it and sent copies to
>> the hospital administration and the food service. It created quit a
>> stir and a review of procedures and training. They switched to
>> disposables for a few days too.
>
>I hope they didn't try to wash the disposables in a dishwasher.
>
>Jill

I wash disposibles all the time, all my plastic freezer containers are
technically disposable and those are primarily what I use the
dishwasher for... I have to be careful not to nest the containers/lids
or to arrange them that the force of the water spray dislodges them so
that they do nest or flip over, then they fill with water. I've
developed a system of loading so that containers are seperated by the
lids. With those disposable containers if I don't use the sanitize
and dry cycles they will last more than ten uses. I machine wash
plastic eating utensils too...I just wouldn't reuse disposibles from a
hospital, I wouldn't bring them home. The only items I've brought
home from a hospital are those nice non-skid sock slippers and those
plastic urinals. lol The sock slippers get laundered and filled with
cat nip, a plastic urinal lives in my car. heheh

On 8/19/2017 1:33 PM, wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 23:30:02 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 8/18/2017 11:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/18/2017 12:45 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>> On 8/17/2017 2:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>> Overcrowding the utensil basket is another culprit. If your
>>>>> dishwasher only has one wash arm at the bottom of the machine, water
>>>>> must be allowed to flow betwen the bottom rack dishes in order to
>>>>> reach the top rack.
>>>>
>>>> That reminds me of when I loaded the dishwasher when my brother was
>>>> here. He actually started rearranging the flatware in the utensil
>>>> basket after I loaded it. He put all the spoons together in one
>>>> basket, forks together, etc. All facing the same direction. Wow.
>>>> Really? You do know those spoons and forks might nest together,
>>>> right? LOL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> About a year go when my wife was in the hospital they had soup for
>>> lunch. she took a couple of spoonful and said it did not feel right.
>>> sure enough there were two spoons stuck together and it was disgusting
>>> what was inside.
>>>
>> "nesting" is simply not a good way to put utensils in a dishwasher.
>> They need to be arranged in such a manner they don't get stuck together.
>
> Not just utensils, any items nested will result in improper washing
>
>>> The sent it to the wrong person. I photographed it and sent copies to
>>> the hospital administration and the food service. It created quit a
>>> stir and a review of procedures and training. They switched to
>>> disposables for a few days too.
>>
>> I hope they didn't try to wash the disposables in a dishwasher.
>>
>> Jill
>
> I wash disposibles all the time, all my plastic freezer containers are
> technically disposable and those are primarily what I use the
> dishwasher for... I have to be careful not to nest the containers/lids
> or to arrange them that the force of the water spray dislodges them so
> that they do nest or flip over, then they fill with water.
(snippage)


Placed face down in the rack (even on the bottom rack) those Gladware
and Ziplock "disposable" containers (which certainly get reused around
here!) don't tend to flip over. I don't tend to use plastic utensils
unless they come with a take-out meal.

Jill

On 2017-08-19 6:05 PM, jmcquown wrote:

> Placed face down in the rack (even on the bottom rack) those Gladware
> and Ziplock "disposable" containers (which certainly get reused around
> here!) don't tend to flip over.Â* I don't tend to use plastic utensils
> unless they come with a take-out meal.Â*

This afternoon I discovered that there are reusable plastic utensils.
Our kayaking club had our summer post paddle potluck lunch and the host
had nested sets of utensils; knife fork and spoon. They were much
sturdier than the usual plastic cutlery and are made to be washed and
reused.

On 8/19/2017 6:12 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-08-19 6:05 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
>> Placed face down in the rack (even on the bottom rack) those Gladware
>> and Ziplock "disposable" containers (which certainly get reused around
>> here!) don't tend to flip over. I don't tend to use plastic utensils
>> unless they come with a take-out meal.
>
> This afternoon I discovered that there are reusable plastic utensils.
> Our kayaking club had our summer post paddle potluck lunch and the host
> had nested sets of utensils; knife fork and spoon. They were much
> sturdier than the usual plastic cutlery and are made to be washed and
> reused.
>
>
I never doubted there are resuable plastic utensils. The ones you
describe probably came in boxes. I've seen those. I simply don't buy
them. If I did buy them I wouldn't have any qualms about putting them
in the dishwasher. But I wouldn't put them in the dishwasher nested
together.

Jill

On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 18:05:11 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/19/2017 1:33 PM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Aug 2017 23:30:02 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/18/2017 11:02 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/18/2017 12:45 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>>>> On 8/17/2017 2:31 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>>>> Overcrowding the utensil basket is another culprit. If your
>>>>>> dishwasher only has one wash arm at the bottom of the machine, water
>>>>>> must be allowed to flow betwen the bottom rack dishes in order to
>>>>>> reach the top rack.
>>>>>
>>>>> That reminds me of when I loaded the dishwasher when my brother was
>>>>> here. He actually started rearranging the flatware in the utensil
>>>>> basket after I loaded it. He put all the spoons together in one
>>>>> basket, forks together, etc. All facing the same direction. Wow.
>>>>> Really? You do know those spoons and forks might nest together,
>>>>> right? LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> About a year go when my wife was in the hospital they had soup for
>>>> lunch. she took a couple of spoonful and said it did not feel right.
>>>> sure enough there were two spoons stuck together and it was disgusting
>>>> what was inside.
>>>>
>>> "nesting" is simply not a good way to put utensils in a dishwasher.
>>> They need to be arranged in such a manner they don't get stuck together.
>>
>> Not just utensils, any items nested will result in improper washing
>>
>>>> The sent it to the wrong person. I photographed it and sent copies to
>>>> the hospital administration and the food service. It created quit a
>>>> stir and a review of procedures and training. They switched to
>>>> disposables for a few days too.
>>>
>>> I hope they didn't try to wash the disposables in a dishwasher.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I wash disposibles all the time, all my plastic freezer containers are
>> technically disposable and those are primarily what I use the
>> dishwasher for... I have to be careful not to nest the containers/lids
>> or to arrange them that the force of the water spray dislodges them so
>> that they do nest or flip over, then they fill with water.
>(snippage)
>
>
>Placed face down in the rack (even on the bottom rack) those Gladware
>and Ziplock "disposable" containers (which certainly get reused around
>here!) don't tend to flip over.

Maybe the spray on our Maytag is more powerful.

> don't tend to use plastic utensils
>unless they come with a take-out meal.

Kathy uses plastic utensils when she brings lunch to the golf course
and also when she brings lunch to school... I suppose she can toss
them in the trash there but she brings them home so I wash them. She
doesn't like the plastic disposables there, they are extremely
flimsy... the better quality ones we buy don't cost very much but
still when she brings them home so I wash them.

For as often/rarely as we use our dishwasher it should last longer
than us. When we moved dhere the disheasher they left didn't work
very well, was abrand dno longer made. Whenb we had the new top of
teh line Mytag installe3d the tech was impressed fith it and said he
would buy one himself when his died. He had to change the water
hoses, the people here used old automobile heater hose that was about
ready to burst. Most rural people are extremely frugal, they do
everything themselves even if they don't have a clue how... I believe
in letting each tradesman do their own thing, in the end costs less
and less problematic. I never would have noticed those auto heater
hoses... they wre about ready to flood the kitchen... a proper hose
kit cost like $19 and no charge for installation as that was included
in the general Maytag installation that we paid for anyway... I think
it was $49 for delivery and installation, also removal of the old
unit. We're not experts on dishwashers but this Maytag has worked
perfectly since day one.

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 6:12:04 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-08-19 6:05 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>
> > Placed face down in the rack (even on the bottom rack) those Gladware
> > and Ziplock "disposable" containers (which certainly get reused around
> > here!) don't tend to flip over.Â* I don't tend to use plastic utensils
> > unless they come with a take-out meal.Â*
>
> This afternoon I discovered that there are reusable plastic utensils.
> Our kayaking club had our summer post paddle potluck lunch and the host
> had nested sets of utensils; knife fork and spoon. They were much
> sturdier than the usual plastic cutlery and are made to be washed and
> reused.

They save a lot of weight while backpacking. There also are titanium
utensils for people who don't want to use plastic.

Cindy Hamilton