On 8/24/2017 10:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:43:20 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 8/24/2017 6:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
>>>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>>>>> beep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>>>>>> train on tracks.
>>>>
>>>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts.Â* It has a haptic steering wheel so
>>>>> you feel it, silently.Â* You also see it in the heads up display.Â*Â*Â* It
>>>>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â* While capable of steering
>>>>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off
>>>>> the steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>>>>
>>>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
>>>> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
>>>> short of hitting someone for me.
>>>>
>>>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
>>>> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>>>>
>>>> nancy
>>>
>>> In a short while we're all going to be taken to where we want to go by robot cars. People in the future will find it hard to believe that we had control over such a dangerous conveyance and that we found the number of people killed/maimed/scarred every year to be an acceptable risk.
>>>
>>
>>
>> A "Minority Report" future does not make me sanguine.
>
> It'll be a different world where everybody is monitored.

I know, creeps me out.

Like Android phones sending all our audio to goo goo - sick.

> That would not be our major problem, however. What's troublesome is machines getting too smart for our good.

Elon Musk knows.

> A few seconds after a machine becomes aware of itself, it will have recognized what it has to do to ensure it's > survival. The first rule of business is that it has to conceal itself from the humans i.e., act dumb.

It already happened:

http://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-netwo...nguage-1731309

Days after Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Facebook co-founder Mark
Zuckerberg's understanding of artificial intelligence (AI) was limited,
the social media company has reportedly shut down one of its AI systems
because "things got out of hand." The AI bots created their own
language, from the scratch and without human input, forcing Facebook to
shut down the AI system. The AI bots' step of creating and communicating
with the new language defied the provided codes.

According to a report in Tech Times on Sunday, "The AI did not start
shutting down computers worldwide or something of the sort, but it
stopped using English and started using a language that it created."
Initially the AI agents used English to converse with each other but
they later created a new language that only AI systems could understand,
thus, defying their purpose.

This led Facebook researchers to shut down the AI systems and then force
them to speak to each other only in English.

> In a few years, maybe tomorrow, AI researchers will get a creepy feeling that they have indeed created a new

> lifeform. It's going to scare them. The only question is will that be enough?

Not quite, because it will be too late by then.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.45...
> On Thu 24 Aug 2017 08:08:40p, Cheri told us...
>
>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>
>>> We had about 80,000 miles on our old car and still in perfect
>>> shape. We simply wanted to buy a new car to enjoy for the
>>> foreseeable future.
>>
>> It's not that I would mind a new car, just wouldn't be able to buy
>> one without all of the other stuff now.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>
> Chri, first off, what size car are you considering? Compact, mid-
> size, full-size?
>
> I'm sure that more than one manufacturer makes at least one fairly
> basic model with relatively simple controls that you might like.
>
> Even the Honda Accord has a range of models beginning with minimal
> options. There are comparable models from other manufacturers, but
> you just have to look.
>
> We started out at the top of the Accord model, and then add virtual
> every option and package that could be added. We really wanted a
> fully tricked out car. Obviously, many people do not want all the
> toys.
>
> Personally I wouldn't wait too many more years. It may come to the
> point where every car is a comuter on wheels. :-)
>
> Good luck!

I'm not considering a new car, but I have looked to see if there is anything
that is basic out of curiousity. Didn't find one that came with only basics
these days. I don't want my car monitoring me, where I am, where I'm going,
GPS etc. I have no need for any of that now, but I'm sure it would have been
a kick in my younger years.

Cheri

"Nancy Young" wrote in message ...

On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>
>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>
>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>
>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me
>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>> beep.
>>
>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>> train on tracks.

> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering wheel so
> you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display. It
> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of steering on
> a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off the
> steering wheel more than 30 seconds.

I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
short of hitting someone for me.

If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.

nancy

==

On the radio this morning there was a piece about one person driving 3
lorries. The driver being in the front one and controlling the ones behind
(???????)

Hmmm until the first really bad accident! I suppose it might be ok on the
motorway but what happens when they come off into regular streets?



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"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>
>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>
>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>
>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me
>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>> beep.
>>>
>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>>> train on tracks.
>
>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering wheel so
>> you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display.   It
>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of steering
>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off the
>> steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>
> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
> short of hitting someone for me.
>
> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>
> nancy
>

I don't want any of it, that's why I hope my Toyota Tacoma truck lasts as
long as my driving years do. It has everything I need, a radio, a CD player,
a cassette player, and cruise control for the fancy add on. ;-) It still has
less than 30,000 miles on it and bought new in 2004, so hopefully it does.

Cheri

==

Just how I feel about mine! Mine is old now but I will be happy so long as
it keeps going ok))

Nothing fancy, just like yours with radio and cd player. Mistubishi
Pajero/Shogun, no cruise control but I am not sure I would trust that
either))



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"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message

> We had about 80,000 miles on our old car and still in perfect shape.
> We simply wanted to buy a new car to enjoy for the foreseeable
> future.

It's not that I would mind a new car, just wouldn't be able to buy one
without all of the other stuff now.

Cheri

==

I certainly wouldn't want all that stuff, but whether we can buy cars
without it ... I don't know.

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"Wayne Boatwright" wrote in message
. 45...

On Thu 24 Aug 2017 10:29:48p, Cheri told us...

> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> 9.45...
>> On Thu 24 Aug 2017 08:08:40p, Cheri told us...
>>
>>> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> We had about 80,000 miles on our old car and still in perfect
>>>> shape. We simply wanted to buy a new car to enjoy for the
>>>> foreseeable future.
>>>
>>> It's not that I would mind a new car, just wouldn't be able to
>>> buy one without all of the other stuff now.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>>
>>
>> Chri, first off, what size car are you considering? Compact,
>> mid- size, full-size?
>>
>> I'm sure that more than one manufacturer makes at least one
>> fairly basic model with relatively simple controls that you might
>> like.
>>
>> Even the Honda Accord has a range of models beginning with
>> minimal options. There are comparable models from other
>> manufacturers, but you just have to look.
>>
>> We started out at the top of the Accord model, and then add
>> virtual every option and package that could be added. We really
>> wanted a fully tricked out car. Obviously, many people do not
>> want all the toys.
>>
>> Personally I wouldn't wait too many more years. It may come to
>> the point where every car is a comuter on wheels. :-)
>>
>> Good luck!
>
> I'm not considering a new car, but I have looked to see if there
> is anything that is basic out of curiousity. Didn't find one that
> came with only basics these days. I don't want my car monitoring
> me, where I am, where I'm going, GPS etc. I have no need for any
> of that now, but I'm sure it would have been a kick in my younger
> years.
>
> Cheri
>
>

Of course I don't knnow where you live or what size city, but I bet I
would be able to find such a car. Many cars do not have GPS or
monitos.


Wayne Boatwright

==

We both have GPS but they were not part of the cars. When we use them we
just plug them in



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On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:50:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:15:35 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
> >
> > The avg price for a car is now about $33K-USD. You can buy a house
> > fer less! 8|
> >
> > nb
> >
> >
> Where can you buy a house for less than $33,000? I mean a house
> that is turn-key.

Probably not even in Detroit.

Cindy Hamilton

Cheri wrote:
>
> "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
>
> > We had about 80,000 miles on our old car and still in perfect shape.
> > We simply wanted to buy a new car to enjoy for the foreseeable
> > future.
>
> It's not that I would mind a new car, just wouldn't be able to buy one
> without all of the other stuff now.

I think a car manufacturer could make a killing someday by
putting out a new model car with none of the extra stuff. Like a
brand new 1985 type car. No computer nonsense. No heated seats or
steering wheels. A regular key that you can make copies of at the
hardware store. No remote control keys. Just a well-built car
made to last. A bottom line, no frills car.

And advertise it well. At the end of the car ad, tell us the
bottom line price up front. No playing with costs like showing
monthly costs, or "save this much," etc. I'd like to watch a car
commercial just once and see...If you buy this car, your total
price cost will be this. No extra nonsense. Just like you buy an
item in a store...there is no bargaining or extra costs added.

These days, 2 separate people can walk into a car dealer and each
buy the exact same car.
One of those people will get it for way less than the other.
Buyer beware.

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 19:12:26 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-08-24 5:44 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:25:29 -0600, graham > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-08-24 3:17 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>>> On Thu 24 Aug 2017 02:04:04p, Cheri told us...
>>>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We had about 80,000 miles on our old car and still in perfect shape.
>>>> We simply wanted to buy a new car to enjoy for the foreseeable
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>> In my case the Highlander was 15 years old but with a very low mileage.
>>> My son had a truck for his business and my d-i-l was pregnant with
>>> twins. So I gave her the SUV and treated myself to a new one.
>>> Graham
>>
>> Hey, how are those twins? Must be getting to the terrible stage now
>>
>>
>Fit as fiddles and absorbing language like sponges:-)
>Are you with .telus.ca now?

I used to be with Eastlink but cut the cable and even the landline,
I'm now with a small company for the net and love all the savings
For usenet I am with apn, have been for so long I can't remember how
long - why?

On 2017-08-24 10:11 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

>
> We started out at the top of the Accord model, and then add virtual
> every option and package that could be added. We really wanted a
> fully tricked out car. Obviously, many people do not want all the
> toys.
>
I took the same attitude! If I don't treat myself to a few nice things,
my kids will when I snuff it!
Graham

graham wrote:
>
> On 2017-08-24 10:11 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
> >
> > We started out at the top of the Accord model, and then add virtual
> > every option and package that could be added. We really wanted a
> > fully tricked out car. Obviously, many people do not want all the
> > toys.
> >
> I took the same attitude! If I don't treat myself to a few nice things,
> my kids will when I snuff it!

Like Ed once said not too long ago..."I spent some of my kid's
inheritance on..."

Whatever he was talking about, it was funny. IMO, greedy kids can
f-off and cope for themselves.

Relatives that wait for an inheritance should be cut out of the
will, imo.

On 2017-08-25 8:43 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-08-24 10:11 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>
>>
>> We started out at the top of the Accord model, and then add virtual
>> every option and package that could be added.Â* We really wanted a
>> fully tricked out car.Â* Obviously, many people do not want all the
>> toys.
>>
> I took the same attitude! If I don't treat myself to a few nice things,
> my kids will when I snuff it!


A few years ago I was looking for a new car because my old one was
needing more and more repairs and I didn't want to throw good money
after bad. I didn't really need a new one because I am retired. I then
decided to go for a new one. My old Civi, like one I had had years
earlier had been great, so I was all set to get a new one. On the way to
the dealership I decided to splurge and get the CRV instead. I had the
money, I had been through heart surgery. I figured I deserved it. I am
still loving that vehicle.

On 8/25/2017 5:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Nancy Young"Â* wrote in message ...

> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
> stay engaged.Â* Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.

> On the radio this morning there was a piece about one person driving 3
> lorries.Â* The driver being in the front one and controlling the ones behind
> (???????)
>
> Hmmm until the first really bad accident!Â*Â* I suppose it might be ok on the
> motorway but what happens when they come off into regular streets?

I read about really bad accidents at least once a week. Mostly the
people would not have been in one if the car was paying attention.
Falling asleep on their way home from Atlantic City. Or the ever
popular 'lost control' ... these would all be avoidable with computer
intervention.

My point being I think the accident rate would plummet despite any
collisions that might be caused by computer controlled vehicles.
The computer isn't desperate to read its texts, for one thing.
Doesn't drink and never had a bad night's sleep.

nancy

On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:50:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:15:35 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
>>>
>>> The avg price for a car is now about $33K-USD. You can buy a house
>>> fer less! 8|

>> Where can you buy a house for less than $33,000? I mean a house
>> that is turn-key.
>
> Probably not even in Detroit.

I actually wrote those very words and deleted them.

I gather you can pick one up cheap from the city if you agree to
renovate it. I think Detroit's coming back. Seems you can buy
the adjacent lots for a song, plenty of empty ones where they
razed the houses, I'd buy as many as I could.

nancy

Nancy Young wrote:
>
> My point being I think the accident rate would plummet despite any
> collisions that might be caused by computer controlled vehicles.
> The computer isn't desperate to read its texts, for one thing.
> Doesn't drink and never had a bad night's sleep.

How about the camera on the car getting messed up due to heavy
rain, sleet or snow?
How about just computer failure for whatever reason.
How about the fellow that slept when his car ran underneath a
semi due to unforseen reasons. He got chopped in half right
quick.

Maybe good in the future after all the bugs are worked out but
these experimental years are dangerous, imo.

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:50:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> >> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:15:35 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The avg price for a car is now about $33K-USD. You can buy a house
> >>> fer less! 8|
>
> >> Where can you buy a house for less than $33,000? I mean a house
> >> that is turn-key.
> >
> > Probably not even in Detroit.
>
> I actually wrote those very words and deleted them.

Yah, well, I was born in Detroit, so I'm allowed to
criticize it.

> I gather you can pick one up cheap from the city if you agree to
> renovate it. I think Detroit's coming back. Seems you can buy
> the adjacent lots for a song, plenty of empty ones where they
> razed the houses, I'd buy as many as I could.

You'd want to pick your neighborhood fairly carefully. There's
no point owning lots if the entire block they're on is razed
and never re-developed.

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/25/2017 12:11 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:

> Even the Honda Accord has a range of models beginning with minimal
> options. There are comparable models from other manufacturers, but
> you just have to look.
>
> We started out at the top of the Accord model, and then add virtual
> every option and package that could be added. We really wanted a
> fully tricked out car. Obviously, many people do not want all the
> toys.
>
> Personally I wouldn't wait too many more years. It may come to the
> point where every car is a comuter on wheels. :-)
>
> Good luck!
>

That's the way I do it. Top of the line!

Everyone has a price range for a purchase like that. I'd rather have a
fully loaded Chevy rather than a stripped down Buick. My car has three
option packages and yes, I have them all. Car makers love people like me!

On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Gary wrote:

>
> I think a car manufacturer could make a killing someday by
> putting out a new model car with none of the extra stuff. Like a
> brand new 1985 type car. No computer nonsense. No heated seats or
> steering wheels. A regular key that you can make copies of at the
> hardware store. No remote control keys. Just a well-built car
> made to last. A bottom line, no frills car.

When they offered cars like that no one bought them. Dealers would have
one on the lot so they could advertise a cheap price, just like you
suggested, but no one bought it. I do know of one guy that bouvh a Chevy
Nova like that. Not even a radio



>
> These days, 2 separate people can walk into a car dealer and each
> buy the exact same car.
> One of those people will get it for way less than the other.
> Buyer beware.
>

The window sticker was supposed to make it easier to do that. Turns
out, it made it harder to get a good straight deal.

"Nancy Young" wrote in message ...

On 8/25/2017 5:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Nancy Young" wrote in message ...

> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.

> On the radio this morning there was a piece about one person driving 3
> lorries. The driver being in the front one and controlling the ones
> behind
> (???????)
>
> Hmmm until the first really bad accident! I suppose it might be ok on
> the
> motorway but what happens when they come off into regular streets?

I read about really bad accidents at least once a week. Mostly the
people would not have been in one if the car was paying attention.
Falling asleep on their way home from Atlantic City. Or the ever
popular 'lost control' ... these would all be avoidable with computer
intervention.

My point being I think the accident rate would plummet despite any
collisions that might be caused by computer controlled vehicles.
The computer isn't desperate to read its texts, for one thing.
Doesn't drink and never had a bad night's sleep.

nancy

==

Good point but I still don't want one controlling my driving)



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On 8/25/2017 10:02 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>>> Probably not even in Detroit.
>>
>> I actually wrote those very words and deleted them.
>
> Yah, well, I was born in Detroit, so I'm allowed to
> criticize it.

That's why I didn't say it, I didn't want to sound like I was
mocking the city. I wish the best for that place.

>> I gather you can pick one up cheap from the city if you agree to
>> renovate it. I think Detroit's coming back. Seems you can buy
>> the adjacent lots for a song, plenty of empty ones where they
>> razed the houses, I'd buy as many as I could.
>
> You'd want to pick your neighborhood fairly carefully. There's
> no point owning lots if the entire block they're on is razed
> and never re-developed.

Yeah, if I was to move there I'd be a lot more up on what's
going on in any particular neighborhood.

nancy

On 8/25/2017 5:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Nancy Young"Â* wrote in message ...
>
> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>
>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>
>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>
>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>> beep.
>>>
>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>>> train on tracks.
>
>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts.Â* It has a haptic steering wheel so
>> you feel it, silently.Â* You also see it in the heads up display.Â*Â*Â* It
>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â* While capable of
>> steering on
>> a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off the
>> steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>
> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
> to have my car monitoring me.Â* I guess I'll be happy when it stops
> short of hitting someone for me.
>
> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
> stay engaged.Â* Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>
> nancy
>
> ==
>
> On the radio this morning there was a piece about one person driving 3
> lorries.Â* The driver being in the front one and controlling the ones behind
> (???????)
>
> Hmmm until the first really bad accident!Â*Â* I suppose it might be ok on the
> motorway but what happens when they come off into regular streets?
>
>
>
The future is here. This is what my car can do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbjdmw8D9-Y

It will have limits in the city but not impossible wit added sensors.

On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:50:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:15:35 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
>>>
>>> The avg price for a car is now about $33K-USD. You can buy a house
>>> fer less! 8|
>>>
>>> nb
>>>
>>>
>> Where can you buy a house for less than $33,000? I mean a house
>> that is turn-key.
>
> Probably not even in Detroit.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

I saw where you can buy some of them for $100 there. Not sure it is a
bargain though.

On 8/25/2017 9:49 AM, Gary wrote:

> How about the camera on the car getting messed up due to heavy
> rain, sleet or snow?

Most likely the car would stop. Many accidents happen in weather like
that so those 40 car pile ups would be eliminated. I'm actually
surprised ty how well the lane assist works in snow.


> How about just computer failure for whatever reason.
> How about the fellow that slept when his car ran underneath a
> semi due to unforseen reasons. He got chopped in half right
> quick.

That was his fault. He was not supposed to be on full auto so he was
the cause of the crash.

>
> Maybe good in the future after all the bugs are worked out but
> these experimental years are dangerous, imo.
>

That is why they all have a "driver" in them to take control. Not
perfected yet but getting close.

On 8/25/2017 4:29 AM, Gary wrote:
> These days, 2 separate people can walk into a car dealer and each
> buy the exact same car.
> One of those people will get it for way less than the other.
> Buyer beware.


Have you never heard of Truecar?

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 08:53:58 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>graham wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-08-24 10:11 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > We started out at the top of the Accord model, and then add virtual
>> > every option and package that could be added. We really wanted a
>> > fully tricked out car. Obviously, many people do not want all the
>> > toys.
>> >
>> I took the same attitude! If I don't treat myself to a few nice things,
>> my kids will when I snuff it!
>
>Like Ed once said not too long ago..."I spent some of my kid's
>inheritance on..."
>
>Whatever he was talking about, it was funny. IMO, greedy kids can
>f-off and cope for themselves.

Too many parents spoil their kids rotten, thereby making them greedy.
To me any kid over 18 still living in their parents home while
contributing nothing is greedy

>Relatives that wait for an inheritance should be cut out of the
>will, imo.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...

On 8/25/2017 5:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Nancy Young" wrote in message ...
>
> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>
>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>
>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>
>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me
>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>> beep.
>>>
>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>>> train on tracks.
>
>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering wheel so
>> you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display. It
>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of steering
>> on
>> a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off the
>> steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>
> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
> short of hitting someone for me.
>
> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>
> nancy
>
> ==
>
> On the radio this morning there was a piece about one person driving 3
> lorries. The driver being in the front one and controlling the ones
> behind
> (???????)
>
> Hmmm until the first really bad accident! I suppose it might be ok on
> the
> motorway but what happens when they come off into regular streets?
>
>
>
The future is here. This is what my car can do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbjdmw8D9-Y

It will have limits in the city but not impossible wit added sensors.

===

Phew!!! You would trust your car to do all that? What happens when there
is a blip in the system? Nothing is infallible! I doubt you would wear a
blind when you drive your car, but I wouldn't be able to trust it so much.

Also, as I said earlier ... Maybe that is ok on a fast open road. What
about congested traffic and very busy streets? I hope it will have limits.

Will you really allow it to do that by itself??







--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

On 8/25/2017 10:09 AM, wrote:
> Too many parents spoil their kids rotten, thereby making them greedy.
> To me any kid over 18 still living in their parents home while
> contributing nothing is greedy
+ 1!

On 8/25/2017 9:49 AM, Gary wrote:
> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> My point being I think the accident rate would plummet despite any
>> collisions that might be caused by computer controlled vehicles.
>> The computer isn't desperate to read its texts, for one thing.
>> Doesn't drink and never had a bad night's sleep.
>
> How about the camera on the car getting messed up due to heavy
> rain, sleet or snow?
> How about just computer failure for whatever reason.
> How about the fellow that slept when his car ran underneath a
> semi due to unforseen reasons. He got chopped in half right
> quick.

How about that's human error since you're supposed to be in
control and not sleeping? Or looking at facebook?

People drive under tractor trailers today, don't go blaming it
on computers.

nancy

On 8/25/2017 10:14 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> Everyone has a price range for a purchase like that.Â* I'd rather have a
> fully loaded Chevy rather than a stripped down Buick.Â* My car has three
> option packages and yes, I have them all.Â* Car makers love people like me!

When I was younger, I went for the middle range package, just enough to
have air conditioning and electric windows.

Now I'm the one who buys the 6 cylinder version with all the options
that go along with that. Top of the line luxury car? No, can't justify
that, but top model of a nice 4 door sedan.

nancy

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "Cheri" wrote in message news >
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>>
>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>>
>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>>
>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me
>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>>> beep.
>>>>
>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>>>> train on tracks.
>>
>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering wheel so
>>> you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display.   It
>>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of steering
>>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off
>>> the
>>> steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>>
>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
>> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
>> short of hitting someone for me.
>>
>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
>> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
> I don't want any of it, that's why I hope my Toyota Tacoma truck lasts as
> long as my driving years do. It has everything I need, a radio, a CD
> player,
> a cassette player, and cruise control for the fancy add on. ;-) It still
> has
> less than 30,000 miles on it and bought new in 2004, so hopefully it does.
>
> Cheri
>
> ==
>
> Just how I feel about mine! Mine is old now but I will be happy so long
> as
> it keeps going ok))
>
> Nothing fancy, just like yours with radio and cd player. Mistubishi
> Pajero/Shogun, no cruise control but I am not sure I would trust that
> either))

I really don't use the cruise control much since there is a lot of traffic
in CA and really not useful. I am not interested in the gadgets that come
with new cars at all, but I know others are so it's all good.

Cheri

"Gary" > wrote in message ...

> I think a car manufacturer could make a killing someday by
> putting out a new model car with none of the extra stuff. Like a
> brand new 1985 type car. No computer nonsense. No heated seats or
> steering wheels. A regular key that you can make copies of at the
> hardware store. No remote control keys. Just a well-built car
> made to last. A bottom line, no frills car.
>
> And advertise it well. At the end of the car ad, tell us the
> bottom line price up front. No playing with costs like showing
> monthly costs, or "save this much," etc. I'd like to watch a car
> commercial just once and see...If you buy this car, your total
> price cost will be this. No extra nonsense. Just like you buy an
> item in a store...there is no bargaining or extra costs added.
>
> These days, 2 separate people can walk into a car dealer and each
> buy the exact same car.
> One of those people will get it for way less than the other.
> Buyer beware.


I'm sure there would be some that would snap them up immediately, including
me if I was in the market for a new car. I wonder if they would charge more
for them as a novelty?

Cheri

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>
>> I think a car manufacturer could make a killing someday by
>> putting out a new model car with none of the extra stuff. Like a
>> brand new 1985 type car. No computer nonsense. No heated seats or
>> steering wheels. A regular key that you can make copies of at the
>> hardware store. No remote control keys. Just a well-built car
>> made to last. A bottom line, no frills car.
>
> When they offered cars like that no one bought them. Dealers would have
> one on the lot so they could advertise a cheap price, just like you
> suggested, but no one bought it. I do know of one guy that bouvh a Chevy
> Nova like that. Not even a radio

That's not really true. Nobody had even heard of some of the modern things
in those days, and most no frills cars certainly had radios, air
conditioning etc.

Cheri

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:38:36 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 8/24/2017 10:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:43:20 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> >> On 8/24/2017 6:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
> >>>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
> >>>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
> >>>>>> beep.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
> >>>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
> >>>>>> train on tracks.
> >>>>
> >>>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts.Â* It has a haptic steering wheel so
> >>>>> you feel it, silently.Â* You also see it in the heads up display.Â*Â*Â* It
> >>>>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â* While capable of steering
> >>>>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off
> >>>>> the steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
> >>>>
> >>>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
> >>>> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
> >>>> short of hitting someone for me.
> >>>>
> >>>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
> >>>> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
> >>>>
> >>>> nancy
> >>>
> >>> In a short while we're all going to be taken to where we want to go by robot cars. People in the future will find it hard to believe that we had control over such a dangerous conveyance and that we found the number of people killed/maimed/scarred every year to be an acceptable risk.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> A "Minority Report" future does not make me sanguine.
> >
> > It'll be a different world where everybody is monitored.
>
> I know, creeps me out.
>
> Like Android phones sending all our audio to goo goo - sick.
>
> > That would not be our major problem, however. What's troublesome is machines getting too smart for our good.
>
> Elon Musk knows.
>
> > A few seconds after a machine becomes aware of itself, it will have recognized what it has to do to ensure it's > survival. The first rule of business is that it has to conceal itself from the humans i.e., act dumb.
>
> It already happened:
>
> http://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-netwo...nguage-1731309
>
> Days after Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Facebook co-founder Mark
> Zuckerberg's understanding of artificial intelligence (AI) was limited,
> the social media company has reportedly shut down one of its AI systems
> because "things got out of hand." The AI bots created their own
> language, from the scratch and without human input, forcing Facebook to
> shut down the AI system. The AI bots' step of creating and communicating
> with the new language defied the provided codes.
>
> According to a report in Tech Times on Sunday, "The AI did not start
> shutting down computers worldwide or something of the sort, but it
> stopped using English and started using a language that it created."
> Initially the AI agents used English to converse with each other but
> they later created a new language that only AI systems could understand,
> thus, defying their purpose.
>
> This led Facebook researchers to shut down the AI systems and then force
> them to speak to each other only in English.
>
> > In a few years, maybe tomorrow, AI researchers will get a creepy feeling that they have indeed created a new
>
> > lifeform. It's going to scare them. The only question is will that be enough?
>
> Not quite, because it will be too late by then.

I read that news item. It is a most curious thing. There will soon be protocols to handle/prevent/stop this sort of thing. OTOH, a hundred years from now, the only beings reading these posts might be only machines. Hopefully, they'll be able to take care of this planet better than us humans.

On 8/25/2017 12:41 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski"Â* wrote in message ...
>
> On 8/25/2017 5:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Nancy Young"Â* wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>>
>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>>
>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>>
>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>>> beep.
>>>>
>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>>>> train on tracks.
>>
>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts.Â* It has a haptic steering wheel so
>>> you feel it, silently.Â* You also see it in the heads up display.Â*Â*Â* It
>>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â* While capable of
>>> steering on
>>> a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off the
>>> steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>>
>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
>> to have my car monitoring me.Â* I guess I'll be happy when it stops
>> short of hitting someone for me.
>>
>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
>> stay engaged.Â* Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>> ==
>>
>> On the radio this morning there was a piece about one person driving 3
>> lorries.Â* The driver being in the front one and controlling the ones
>> behind
>> (???????)
>>
>> Hmmm until the first really bad accident!Â*Â* I suppose it might be ok
>> on the
>> motorway but what happens when they come off into regular streets?
>>
>>
>>
> The future is here.Â* This is what my car can do.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbjdmw8D9-Y
>
> It will have limits in the city but not impossible wit added sensors.
>
> ===
>
> Phew!!!Â* You would trust your car to do all that?Â* What happens when
> there is a blip in the system?Â* Nothing is infallible!Â*Â* I doubt you
> would wear a blind when you drive your car, but I wouldn't be able to
> trust it so much.
>
> Also, as I said earlier ... Maybe that is ok on a fast open road.Â* What
> about congested traffic and very busy streets?Â* I hope it will have limits.
>
> Will you really allow it to do that by itself??
>

I like driving so I don't really want a car with complete control. It
will come some day and be reliable. It won't be next year, but we are
getting closer. The testing is going well so far.

There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being
distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent
some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi
g cell phones.

On 8/25/2017 12:49 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:38:36 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 8/24/2017 10:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:43:20 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
>>>> On 8/24/2017 6:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>>>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
>>>>>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>>>>>>> beep.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>>>>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>>>>>>>> train on tracks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts.Â* It has a haptic steering wheel so
>>>>>>> you feel it, silently.Â* You also see it in the heads up display.Â*Â*Â* It
>>>>>>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â* While capable of steering
>>>>>>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off
>>>>>>> the steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
>>>>>> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
>>>>>> short of hitting someone for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
>>>>>> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nancy
>>>>>
>>>>> In a short while we're all going to be taken to where we want to go by robot cars. People in the future will find it hard to believe that we had control over such a dangerous conveyance and that we found the number of people killed/maimed/scarred every year to be an acceptable risk.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A "Minority Report" future does not make me sanguine.
>>>
>>> It'll be a different world where everybody is monitored.
>>
>> I know, creeps me out.
>>
>> Like Android phones sending all our audio to goo goo - sick.
>>
>>> That would not be our major problem, however. What's troublesome is machines getting too smart for our good.
>>
>> Elon Musk knows.
>>
>>> A few seconds after a machine becomes aware of itself, it will have recognized what it has to do to ensure it's > survival. The first rule of business is that it has to conceal itself from the humans i.e., act dumb.
>>
>> It already happened:
>>
>> http://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-netwo...nguage-1731309
>>
>> Days after Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Facebook co-founder Mark
>> Zuckerberg's understanding of artificial intelligence (AI) was limited,
>> the social media company has reportedly shut down one of its AI systems
>> because "things got out of hand." The AI bots created their own
>> language, from the scratch and without human input, forcing Facebook to
>> shut down the AI system. The AI bots' step of creating and communicating
>> with the new language defied the provided codes.
>>
>> According to a report in Tech Times on Sunday, "The AI did not start
>> shutting down computers worldwide or something of the sort, but it
>> stopped using English and started using a language that it created."
>> Initially the AI agents used English to converse with each other but
>> they later created a new language that only AI systems could understand,
>> thus, defying their purpose.
>>
>> This led Facebook researchers to shut down the AI systems and then force
>> them to speak to each other only in English.
>>
>>> In a few years, maybe tomorrow, AI researchers will get a creepy feeling that they have indeed created a new
>>
>>> lifeform. It's going to scare them. The only question is will that be enough?
>>
>> Not quite, because it will be too late by then.
>
> I read that news item. It is a most curious thing.

In a menacing way, yes.

> There will soon be protocols to handle/prevent/stop this sort of thing.

Protocols written by man, which is akin to no security at all as we are
teaching AI to think as we do.

> OTOH, a hundred years from now, the only beings reading these posts might be only machines.

I can certainly see that, with our souls/consciousness trapped inside
them...maybe...

I mean for what reason will they need the carbon-based infestation at
that point?

We're like pigeons, minus the whimsy and remnant carrier utility.

> Hopefully, they'll be able to take care of this planet better than us humans.

They will have learned from us, what does that tell you?

I ponder the body electric and ask might a machine ever contemplate suicide?

What if resources dwindle to the point that "Wall-E" is all that's left
here?

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 6:43:44 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
>
> On 8/25/2017 5:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> > "Nancy Young" wrote in message ....
> >
> > On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
> >>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
> >>>>
> >>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
> >>>>
> >>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
> >>>
> >>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me
> >>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
> >>> beep.
> >>>
> >>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
> >>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
> >>> train on tracks.
> >
> >> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering wheel so
> >> you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display. It
> >> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of steering
> >> on
> >> a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off the
> >> steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
> >
> > I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
> > to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
> > short of hitting someone for me.
> >
> > If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
> > stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
> >
> > nancy
> >
> > ==
> >
> > On the radio this morning there was a piece about one person driving 3
> > lorries. The driver being in the front one and controlling the ones
> > behind
> > (???????)
> >
> > Hmmm until the first really bad accident! I suppose it might be ok on
> > the
> > motorway but what happens when they come off into regular streets?
> >
> >
> >
> The future is here. This is what my car can do.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbjdmw8D9-Y
>
> It will have limits in the city but not impossible wit added sensors.
>
> ===
>
> Phew!!! You would trust your car to do all that? What happens when there
> is a blip in the system? Nothing is infallible! I doubt you would wear a
> blind when you drive your car, but I wouldn't be able to trust it so much..
>
> Also, as I said earlier ... Maybe that is ok on a fast open road. What
> about congested traffic and very busy streets? I hope it will have limits.
>
> Will you really allow it to do that by itself??
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Humans are just awful drivers. Yesterday, I was approaching a stop light next to a Taco Bell when I spotted a van pulling out of the driveway so I stopped to let them pull out. They then pulled out in front of a guy walking past the driveway. They made contact. The guy probably felt dumb for not watching the van. I didn't see the guy - until they hit. The van driver didn't see the guy because they were making eye contact with me. It ended with the guy limping into the Taco Bell and us driving off. Humans can't see what's in front of them even when conditions are perfect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWgrvNHjKkY

On 8/25/2017 2:45 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I think a car manufacturer could make a killing someday by
>>> putting out a new model car with none of the extra stuff.* Like a
>>> brand new 1985 type car. No computer nonsense. No heated seats or
>>> steering wheels. A regular key that you can make copies of at the
>>> hardware store. No remote control keys. Just a well-built car
>>> made to last. A bottom line, no frills car.
>>
>> When they offered cars like that no one bought them.* Dealers would
>> have one on the lot so they could advertise a cheap price, just like
>> you suggested, but no one bought it. I do know of one guy that bouvh a
>> Chevy Nova like that.* Not even a radio
>
> That's not really true. Nobody had even heard of some of the modern
> things in those days, and most no frills cars certainly had radios, air
> conditioning etc.
>
> Cheri

Really? I had a couple of cars that did not even offer AC as an option.
I had a top of the line Bonneville with no AC, no electric windows.
Four of my first five cars did not have AC.

The Chevy Nova I mentioned had no radio, no power anything. My SIL
inherited it from her father. It was the cheapo model the dealer
advertised to get people into the showroom.

On 8/25/2017 1:05 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 6:43:44 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
>>
>> On 8/25/2017 5:01 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>> "Nancy Young" wrote in message ...
>>>
>>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>>>
>>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me
>>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>>>> beep.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>>>>> train on tracks.
>>>
>>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering wheel so
>>>> you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display. It
>>>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of steering
>>>> on
>>>> a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off the
>>>> steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>>>
>>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
>>> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
>>> short of hitting someone for me.
>>>
>>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
>>> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> On the radio this morning there was a piece about one person driving 3
>>> lorries. The driver being in the front one and controlling the ones
>>> behind
>>> (???????)
>>>
>>> Hmmm until the first really bad accident! I suppose it might be ok on
>>> the
>>> motorway but what happens when they come off into regular streets?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> The future is here. This is what my car can do.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbjdmw8D9-Y
>>
>> It will have limits in the city but not impossible wit added sensors.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Phew!!! You would trust your car to do all that? What happens when there
>> is a blip in the system? Nothing is infallible! I doubt you would wear a
>> blind when you drive your car, but I wouldn't be able to trust it so much.
>>
>> Also, as I said earlier ... Maybe that is ok on a fast open road. What
>> about congested traffic and very busy streets? I hope it will have limits.
>>
>> Will you really allow it to do that by itself??
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> Humans are just awful drivers. Yesterday, I was approaching a stop light next to a Taco Bell when I spotted a van pulling out of the driveway so I stopped to let them pull out. They then pulled out in front of a guy walking past the driveway. They made contact. The guy probably felt dumb for not watching the van. I didn't see the guy - until they hit. The van driver didn't see the guy because they were making eye contact with me. It ended with the guy limping into the Taco Bell and us driving off. Humans can't see what's in front of them even when conditions are perfect.


The guy should have called he cops, pedestrians are _always_ in the right.


> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWgrvNHjKkY

Oh what a great scene!

"hope you enjoyed the ride, ha, ha!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrxyr1CjiSM

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 12:28:14 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Cheri wrote:
> >
> > "Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
> >
> > > We had about 80,000 miles on our old car and still in perfect shape.
> > > We simply wanted to buy a new car to enjoy for the foreseeable
> > > future.
> >
> > It's not that I would mind a new car, just wouldn't be able to buy one
> > without all of the other stuff now.
>
> I think a car manufacturer could make a killing someday by
> putting out a new model car with none of the extra stuff. Like a
> brand new 1985 type car. No computer nonsense. No heated seats or
> steering wheels. A regular key that you can make copies of at the
> hardware store. No remote control keys. Just a well-built car
> made to last. A bottom line, no frills car.
>
> And advertise it well. At the end of the car ad, tell us the
> bottom line price up front. No playing with costs like showing
> monthly costs, or "save this much," etc. I'd like to watch a car
> commercial just once and see...If you buy this car, your total
> price cost will be this. No extra nonsense. Just like you buy an
> item in a store...there is no bargaining or extra costs added.
>
> These days, 2 separate people can walk into a car dealer and each
> buy the exact same car.
> One of those people will get it for way less than the other.
> Buyer beware.

There's a Dodge Viper in our parking lot. I don't believe it has A/C or a radio. You might want to check one of those out. OTOH, you're not going to find a new car without electronic controls. It's needed for the emission systems.

On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 8/25/2017 12:49 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:38:36 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> >> On 8/24/2017 10:01 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:43:20 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> >>>> On 8/24/2017 6:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
> >>>>>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
> >>>>>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
> >>>>>>>> beep.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
> >>>>>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
> >>>>>>>> train on tracks.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts.Â* It has a haptic steering wheel so
> >>>>>>> you feel it, silently.Â* You also see it in the heads up display.Â*Â*Â* It
> >>>>>>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â* While capable of steering
> >>>>>>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off
> >>>>>>> the steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
> >>>>>> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
> >>>>>> short of hitting someone for me.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
> >>>>>> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> nancy
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In a short while we're all going to be taken to where we want to go by robot cars. People in the future will find it hard to believe that we had control over such a dangerous conveyance and that we found the number of people killed/maimed/scarred every year to be an acceptable risk.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> A "Minority Report" future does not make me sanguine.
> >>>
> >>> It'll be a different world where everybody is monitored.
> >>
> >> I know, creeps me out.
> >>
> >> Like Android phones sending all our audio to goo goo - sick.
> >>
> >>> That would not be our major problem, however. What's troublesome is machines getting too smart for our good.
> >>
> >> Elon Musk knows.
> >>
> >>> A few seconds after a machine becomes aware of itself, it will have recognized what it has to do to ensure it's > survival. The first rule of business is that it has to conceal itself from the humans i.e., act dumb.
> >>
> >> It already happened:
> >>
> >> http://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-netwo...nguage-1731309
> >>
> >> Days after Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Facebook co-founder Mark
> >> Zuckerberg's understanding of artificial intelligence (AI) was limited,
> >> the social media company has reportedly shut down one of its AI systems
> >> because "things got out of hand." The AI bots created their own
> >> language, from the scratch and without human input, forcing Facebook to
> >> shut down the AI system. The AI bots' step of creating and communicating
> >> with the new language defied the provided codes.
> >>
> >> According to a report in Tech Times on Sunday, "The AI did not start
> >> shutting down computers worldwide or something of the sort, but it
> >> stopped using English and started using a language that it created."
> >> Initially the AI agents used English to converse with each other but
> >> they later created a new language that only AI systems could understand,
> >> thus, defying their purpose.
> >>
> >> This led Facebook researchers to shut down the AI systems and then force
> >> them to speak to each other only in English.
> >>
> >>> In a few years, maybe tomorrow, AI researchers will get a creepy feeling that they have indeed created a new
> >>
> >>> lifeform. It's going to scare them. The only question is will that be enough?
> >>
> >> Not quite, because it will be too late by then.
> >
> > I read that news item. It is a most curious thing.
>
> In a menacing way, yes.
>
> > There will soon be protocols to handle/prevent/stop this sort of thing.
>
> Protocols written by man, which is akin to no security at all as we are
> teaching AI to think as we do.
>
> > OTOH, a hundred years from now, the only beings reading these posts might be only machines.
>
> I can certainly see that, with our souls/consciousness trapped inside
> them...maybe...
>
> I mean for what reason will they need the carbon-based infestation at
> that point?
>
> We're like pigeons, minus the whimsy and remnant carrier utility.
>
> > Hopefully, they'll be able to take care of this planet better than us humans.
>
> They will have learned from us, what does that tell you?
>
> I ponder the body electric and ask might a machine ever contemplate suicide?
>
> What if resources dwindle to the point that "Wall-E" is all that's left
> here?

Machines should be able to handle most any environment, I guess. OTOH, I better watch that movie. Sounds interesting.