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On 8/25/2017 1:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: >> On 8/25/2017 12:49 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:38:36 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: >>>> On 8/24/2017 10:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:43:20 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: >>>>>> On 8/24/2017 6:23 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing; >>>>>>>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me >>>>>>>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep >>>>>>>>>> beep. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I >>>>>>>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a >>>>>>>>>> train on tracks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts.Â* It has a haptic steering wheel so >>>>>>>>> you feel it, silently.Â* You also see it in the heads up display.Â*Â*Â* It >>>>>>>>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â* While capable of steering >>>>>>>>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off >>>>>>>>> the steering wheel more than 30 seconds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care >>>>>>>> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops >>>>>>>> short of hitting someone for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to >>>>>>>> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> nancy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a short while we're all going to be taken to where we want to go by robot cars. People in the future will find it hard to believe that we had control over such a dangerous conveyance and that we found the number of people killed/maimed/scarred every year to be an acceptable risk. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A "Minority Report" future does not make me sanguine. >>>>> >>>>> It'll be a different world where everybody is monitored. >>>> >>>> I know, creeps me out. >>>> >>>> Like Android phones sending all our audio to goo goo - sick. >>>> >>>>> That would not be our major problem, however. What's troublesome is machines getting too smart for our good. >>>> >>>> Elon Musk knows. >>>> >>>>> A few seconds after a machine becomes aware of itself, it will have recognized what it has to do to ensure it's > survival. The first rule of business is that it has to conceal itself from the humans i.e., act dumb. >>>> >>>> It already happened: >>>> >>>> http://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-netwo...nguage-1731309 >>>> >>>> Days after Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Facebook co-founder Mark >>>> Zuckerberg's understanding of artificial intelligence (AI) was limited, >>>> the social media company has reportedly shut down one of its AI systems >>>> because "things got out of hand." The AI bots created their own >>>> language, from the scratch and without human input, forcing Facebook to >>>> shut down the AI system. The AI bots' step of creating and communicating >>>> with the new language defied the provided codes. >>>> >>>> According to a report in Tech Times on Sunday, "The AI did not start >>>> shutting down computers worldwide or something of the sort, but it >>>> stopped using English and started using a language that it created." >>>> Initially the AI agents used English to converse with each other but >>>> they later created a new language that only AI systems could understand, >>>> thus, defying their purpose. >>>> >>>> This led Facebook researchers to shut down the AI systems and then force >>>> them to speak to each other only in English. >>>> >>>>> In a few years, maybe tomorrow, AI researchers will get a creepy feeling that they have indeed created a new >>>> >>>>> lifeform. It's going to scare them. The only question is will that be enough? >>>> >>>> Not quite, because it will be too late by then. >>> >>> I read that news item. It is a most curious thing. >> >> In a menacing way, yes. >> >>> There will soon be protocols to handle/prevent/stop this sort of thing. >> >> Protocols written by man, which is akin to no security at all as we are >> teaching AI to think as we do. >> >>> OTOH, a hundred years from now, the only beings reading these posts might be only machines. >> >> I can certainly see that, with our souls/consciousness trapped inside >> them...maybe... >> >> I mean for what reason will they need the carbon-based infestation at >> that point? >> >> We're like pigeons, minus the whimsy and remnant carrier utility. >> >>> Hopefully, they'll be able to take care of this planet better than us humans. >> >> They will have learned from us, what does that tell you? >> >> I ponder the body electric and ask might a machine ever contemplate suicide? >> >> What if resources dwindle to the point that "Wall-E" is all that's left >> here? > > Machines should be able to handle most any environment, I guess. OTOH, I better watch that movie. Sounds interesting.  > Oh my is it ever, very "adult" themed for what is nominally a "kids" film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1BQPV-iCkU Lil' Abner tangentially previewed this decades befo http://lil-abner.com/the-shmoo/ Ironically, the lovable and selfless Shmoos ultimately brought misery to humankind because people with a limitless supply of self-sacrificing Shmoos stopped working and society broke down. Seen at first as a boon to humankind, they were ultimately hunted down and exterminated to preserve the status quo. (Thought extinct after the 1948 adventure, one Shmoo always seemed to escape to Dogpatchs Valley of the Shmoon to form a new colony and a later plot revival by Capp). |
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"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > "Cheri" wrote in message news
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message > ... >> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote: >>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>> i do like the voice activated thing; >>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS >>>>> >>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me >>>>> >>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful >>>> >>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me >>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep >>>> beep. >>>> >>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I >>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a >>>> train on tracks. >> >>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering wheel so >>> you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display.   It >>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of steering >>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off >>> the >>> steering wheel more than 30 seconds. >> >> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care >> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops >> short of hitting someone for me. >> >> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to >> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep. >> >> nancy >> > > I don't want any of it, that's why I hope my Toyota Tacoma truck lasts as > long as my driving years do. It has everything I need, a radio, a CD > player, > a cassette player, and cruise control for the fancy add on. ;-) It still > has > less than 30,000 miles on it and bought new in 2004, so hopefully it does. > > Cheri > > == > > Just how I feel about mine! Mine is old now but I will be happy so long > as > it keeps going ok ))> > Nothing fancy, just like yours with radio and cd player. Mistubishi > Pajero/Shogun, no cruise control but I am not sure I would trust that > either ))I really don't use the cruise control much since there is a lot of traffic in CA and really not useful. I am not interested in the gadgets that come with new cars at all, but I know others are so it's all good. Cheri == Exactly right )-- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ...
On 8/25/2017 12:41 PM, Ophelia wrote: > "Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message ... > > On 8/25/2017 5:01 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> "Nancy Young" wrote in message >> ... >> >> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote: >>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote: >>>>> >>>>> i do like the voice activated thing; >>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS >>>>> >>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me >>>>> >>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful >>>> >>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me >>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep >>>> beep. >>>> >>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I >>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a >>>> train on tracks. >> >>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering wheel so >>> you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display. It >>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of steering >>> on >>> a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off the >>> steering wheel more than 30 seconds. >> >> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care >> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops >> short of hitting someone for me. >> >> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to >> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep. >> >> nancy >> >> == >> >> On the radio this morning there was a piece about one person driving 3 >> lorries. The driver being in the front one and controlling the ones >> behind >> (???????) >> >> Hmmm until the first really bad accident! I suppose it might be ok on >> the >> motorway but what happens when they come off into regular streets? >> >> >> > The future is here. This is what my car can do. > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbjdmw8D9-Y > > It will have limits in the city but not impossible wit added sensors. > > === > > Phew!!! You would trust your car to do all that? What happens when there > is a blip in the system? Nothing is infallible! I doubt you would wear > a blind when you drive your car, but I wouldn't be able to trust it so > much. > > Also, as I said earlier ... Maybe that is ok on a fast open road. What > about congested traffic and very busy streets? I hope it will have > limits. > > Will you really allow it to do that by itself?? > I like driving so I don't really want a car with complete control. It will come some day and be reliable. It won't be next year, but we are getting closer. The testing is going well so far. There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi g cell phones. == Oh yes. They are a real threat! -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On 8/25/2017 2:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> I like driving so I don't really want a car with complete control. That's how I feel about it. >It > will come some day and be reliable.Â* It won't be next year, but we are > getting closer.Â* The testing is going well so far. > > There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being > distracted.Â* Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent > some of them.Â* What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi > g cell phones. I have a lot of miles under my seat belt, I'm unflappable, even when I'm nearly run off the road my heart rate doesn't rise. Don't want anyone thinking I'm a nervous driver when I say i cannot believe what passes for driving these days. I came home last week after another trip up the highway and said Guess what, no one tried to kill me today. I don't need my car to drive for me, but dang, a lot of people do. nancy |
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On 8/25/2017 3:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/25/2017 2:45 PM, Cheri wrote: >> That's not really true. Nobody had even heard of some of the modern >> things in those days, and most no frills cars certainly had radios, >> air conditioning etc. > Really?* I had a couple of cars that did not even offer AC as an option. > *I had a top of the line Bonneville with no AC, no electric windows. > Four of my first five cars did not have AC. I didn't have a/c until the late 80s. Or electric windows or a tape deck. nancy |
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On 8/25/2017 2:45 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message > ... >> On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Gary wrote: >> >>> >>> I think a car manufacturer could make a killing someday by >>> putting out a new model car with none of the extra stuff. Like a >>> brand new 1985 type car. No computer nonsense. No heated seats or >>> steering wheels. A regular key that you can make copies of at the >>> hardware store. No remote control keys. Just a well-built car >>> made to last. A bottom line, no frills car. >> >> When they offered cars like that no one bought them. Dealers would >> have one on the lot so they could advertise a cheap price, just like >> you suggested, but no one bought it. I do know of one guy that bouvh a >> Chevy Nova like that. Not even a radio > > That's not really true. Nobody had even heard of some of the modern > things in those days, and most no frills cars certainly had radios, air > conditioning etc. > > Cheri The only "frills" my car has is air conditioning, electric windows and locks (I do have to unlock the door with a key, no big deal), AM/FM radio/CD player which I don't care about. I suppose you could count the rear window wiper blade as a "frill" since it's a hatchback. It runs very well, minimal routine maintenance costs. It works for me. Jill |
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On 8/25/2017 2:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > I like driving so I don't really want a car with complete control. It > will come some day and be reliable. It won't be next year, but we are > getting closer. The testing is going well so far. > > There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being > distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent > some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi > g cell phones. > I'm sure some of the features are nice and may help to prevent stupid accidents. Like if some idiot is busy texting and the car drifts into the lane of an oncoming truck. There really needs to be some sort of technology that will disable cell phone use if you're driving. Hands-free phones haven't seemed to do the trick since so many people are texting rather than using their device as an actual *telephone*. Some people just can't seem to put those damn phones down. I doubt I'll ever understand it. Jill |
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On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being > distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent > some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi > g cell phones. > > What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart. |
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>"Cheri" wrote:
> >I really don't use the cruise control much since there is a lot of traffic >in CA and really not useful. I am not interested in the gadgets that come >with new cars at all, but I know others are so it's all good. I never use the cruise control in my car, I don't find it safe in any kind of traffic. However I occasionally use the cruise control in my tractor, very handy for long runs at low speed and naturally there is no traffic. In fact I used the tractor's cruise control all day yesterday while brushhogging my 3 acre wildflower meadow... had to run in low gear with four wheel drive at about 1 MPH. Mowing down the growth in late summer keeps the land healthy. My 7' wide mower fitted with mulching blades does a much better job than a brushhog. However it's tiring as that meadow is very bumpy and tractors don't have a suspension... today I'm resting off my aches. Nearly done: https://postimg.org/image/y9o901w3j/ Looks easy but it's not easy: https://postimg.org/image/y9o901w3j/ Sunflowers in my veggie garden... bird food: |
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"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
news > On 8/25/2017 2:45 PM, Cheri wrote: >> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Gary wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I think a car manufacturer could make a killing someday by >>>> putting out a new model car with none of the extra stuff. Like a >>>> brand new 1985 type car. No computer nonsense. No heated seats or >>>> steering wheels. A regular key that you can make copies of at the >>>> hardware store. No remote control keys. Just a well-built car >>>> made to last. A bottom line, no frills car. >>> >>> When they offered cars like that no one bought them. Dealers would have >>> one on the lot so they could advertise a cheap price, just like you >>> suggested, but no one bought it. I do know of one guy that bouvh a Chevy >>> Nova like that. Not even a radio >> >> That's not really true. Nobody had even heard of some of the modern >> things in those days, and most no frills cars certainly had radios, air >> conditioning etc. >> >> Cheri > > Really? I had a couple of cars that did not even offer AC as an option. I > had a top of the line Bonneville with no AC, no electric windows. Four of > my first five cars did not have AC. > > The Chevy Nova I mentioned had no radio, no power anything. My SIL > inherited it from her father. It was the cheapo model the dealer > advertised to get people into the showroom. That wasn't what Gary or I were talking about though. He was talking about cars like they used to make without all the computer stuff going on, they did have AC, power windows, radios etc. which were the extras in 1985. If you had a top of the line Bonneville in the the 60's I can understand that. LOL Cheri |
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
... > On 8/25/2017 3:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> On 8/25/2017 2:45 PM, Cheri wrote: > >>> That's not really true. Nobody had even heard of some of the modern >>> things in those days, and most no frills cars certainly had radios, air >>> conditioning etc. > >> Really? I had a couple of cars that did not even offer AC as an option. I >> had a top of the line Bonneville with no AC, no electric windows. Four of >> my first five cars did not have AC. > > I didn't have a/c until the late 80s. Or electric windows or a > tape deck. > > nancy I had all of that and power seats in 1978. A beautiful sound system with an 8 track. Cheri |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message
... > On 8/25/2017 2:45 PM, Cheri wrote: > The only "frills" my car has is air conditioning, electric windows and > locks (I do have to unlock the door with a key, no big deal), AM/FM > radio/CD player which I don't care about. I suppose you could count the > rear window wiper blade as a "frill" since it's a hatchback. It runs very > well, minimal routine maintenance costs. It works for me. > > Jill It would work very well for me as well. Cheri |
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> wrote in message
... > On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> >> There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being >> distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent >> some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi >> g cell phones. >> >> > What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their > cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're > just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't > heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart. I had a really bad gash on my heel from some moron running their cart into me, but I wasn't scattered all over the store. Cheri |
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On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 1:17:15 AM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
> > > wrote in message > > > What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their > > cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're > > just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't > > heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart. > > > I had a really bad gash on my heel from some moron running their cart into > me, but I wasn't scattered all over the store. > > Cheri > > If they were on their cell phone I hope you gave them a tongue lashing they soon won't forget. I'm not a phone person, never have been. My cell phone is turned on maybe twice a month. If my home phone rings once every 3 days I feel like turning cartwheels. |
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On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > > > > There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being > > distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent > > some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi > > g cell phones. > > > > > What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their > cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're > just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't > heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart. What I see frequently is a car waiting at a stop light just not moving when the other cars have gone. That happens all the time - it's funny. We always say "texting!" |
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"dsi1" wrote in message
... Humans are just awful drivers. Yesterday, I was approaching a stop light next to a Taco Bell when I spotted a van pulling out of the driveway so I stopped to let them pull out. They then pulled out in front of a guy walking past the driveway. They made contact. The guy probably felt dumb for not watching the van. I didn't see the guy - until they hit. The van driver didn't see the guy because they were making eye contact with me. It ended with the guy limping into the Taco Bell and us driving off. Humans can't see what's in front of them even when conditions are perfect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWgrvNHjKkY == I don't think I would want a 'driver' like that I don't drive now as much as I should. I drove for many years with no problems but now? DH prefers to take his car and since we just about always go everywhere together since he retired ... I took mine out this morning for the first time in a few weeks, but I got him to drive back. This is really bad! If, for any reason he is off his feet, I will need to drive my car  I really must start driving more -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"Casa de Masa" wrote in message news
On 8/25/2017 1:21 PM, dsi1 wrote: > On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:04:50 AM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: >> On 8/25/2017 12:49 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:38:36 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: >>>> On 8/24/2017 10:01 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:43:20 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: >>>>>> On 8/24/2017 6:23 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>>>> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing; >>>>>>>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me >>>>>>>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep >>>>>>>>>> beep. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I >>>>>>>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a >>>>>>>>>> train on tracks. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering >>>>>>>>> wheel so >>>>>>>>> you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display. >>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of >>>>>>>>> steering >>>>>>>>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands >>>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>>> the steering wheel more than 30 seconds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care >>>>>>>> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops >>>>>>>> short of hitting someone for me. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound >>>>>>>> asleep. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> nancy >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a short while we're all going to be taken to where we want to go >>>>>>> by robot cars. People in the future will find it hard to believe >>>>>>> that we had control over such a dangerous conveyance and that we >>>>>>> found the number of people killed/maimed/scarred every year to be an >>>>>>> acceptable risk. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> A "Minority Report" future does not make me sanguine. >>>>> >>>>> It'll be a different world where everybody is monitored. >>>> >>>> I know, creeps me out. >>>> >>>> Like Android phones sending all our audio to goo goo - sick. >>>> >>>>> That would not be our major problem, however. What's troublesome is >>>>> machines getting too smart for our good. >>>> >>>> Elon Musk knows. >>>> >>>>> A few seconds after a machine becomes aware of itself, it will have >>>>> recognized what it has to do to ensure it's > survival. The first rule >>>>> of business is that it has to conceal itself from the humans i.e., act >>>>> dumb. >>>> >>>> It already happened: >>>> >>>> http://gadgets.ndtv.com/social-netwo...nguage-1731309 >>>> >>>> Days after Tesla CEO Elon Musk said Facebook co-founder Mark >>>> Zuckerberg's understanding of artificial intelligence (AI) was limited, >>>> the social media company has reportedly shut down one of its AI systems >>>> because "things got out of hand." The AI bots created their own >>>> language, from the scratch and without human input, forcing Facebook to >>>> shut down the AI system. The AI bots' step of creating and >>>> communicating >>>> with the new language defied the provided codes. >>>> >>>> According to a report in Tech Times on Sunday, "The AI did not start >>>> shutting down computers worldwide or something of the sort, but it >>>> stopped using English and started using a language that it created." >>>> Initially the AI agents used English to converse with each other but >>>> they later created a new language that only AI systems could >>>> understand, >>>> thus, defying their purpose. >>>> >>>> This led Facebook researchers to shut down the AI systems and then >>>> force >>>> them to speak to each other only in English. >>>> >>>>> In a few years, maybe tomorrow, AI researchers will get a creepy >>>>> feeling that they have indeed created a new >>>> >>>>> lifeform. It's going to scare them. The only question is will that be >>>>> enough? >>>> >>>> Not quite, because it will be too late by then. >>> >>> I read that news item. It is a most curious thing. >> >> In a menacing way, yes. >> >>> There will soon be protocols to handle/prevent/stop this sort of thing. >> >> Protocols written by man, which is akin to no security at all as we are >> teaching AI to think as we do. >> >>> OTOH, a hundred years from now, the only beings reading these posts >>> might be only machines. >> >> I can certainly see that, with our souls/consciousness trapped inside >> them...maybe... >> >> I mean for what reason will they need the carbon-based infestation at >> that point? >> >> We're like pigeons, minus the whimsy and remnant carrier utility. >> >>> Hopefully, they'll be able to take care of this planet better than us >>> humans. >> >> They will have learned from us, what does that tell you? >> >> I ponder the body electric and ask might a machine ever contemplate >> suicide? >> >> What if resources dwindle to the point that "Wall-E" is all that's left >> here? > > Machines should be able to handle most any environment, I guess. OTOH, I > better watch that movie. Sounds interesting. > Oh my is it ever, very "adult" themed for what is nominally a "kids" film. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1BQPV-iCkU Lil' Abner tangentially previewed this decades befo http://lil-abner.com/the-shmoo/ Ironically, the lovable and selfless Shmoos ultimately brought misery to humankind because people with a limitless supply of self-sacrificing Shmoos stopped working and society broke down. Seen at first as a boon to humankind, they were ultimately hunted down and exterminated to preserve the status quo. (Thought extinct after the 1948 adventure, one Shmoo always seemed to escape to Dogpatchs Valley of the Shmoon to form a new colony and a later plot revival by Capp). === I am quite sure I will never live to see that, but I can see the way it might go Automatic 'everything'. If it gets so bad, it will kill off humankind. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"Nancy Young" wrote in message ...
On 8/25/2017 2:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > I like driving so I don't really want a car with complete control. That's how I feel about it. >It > will come some day and be reliable. It won't be next year, but we are > getting closer. The testing is going well so far. > > There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being > distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent > some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi > g cell phones. I have a lot of miles under my seat belt, I'm unflappable, even when I'm nearly run off the road my heart rate doesn't rise. Don't want anyone thinking I'm a nervous driver when I say i cannot believe what passes for driving these days. I came home last week after another trip up the highway and said Guess what, no one tried to kill me today. I don't need my car to drive for me, but dang, a lot of people do. nancy === I agree. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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"jmcquown" > wrote in message ... > On 8/25/2017 2:45 PM, Cheri wrote: > The only "frills" my car has is air conditioning, electric windows and > locks (I do have to unlock the door with a key, no big deal), AM/FM > radio/CD player which I don't care about. I suppose you could count the > rear window wiper blade as a "frill" since it's a hatchback. It runs very > well, minimal routine maintenance costs. It works for me. > > Jill It would work very well for me as well. Cheri == It has been so many years since I had a car with no electric windows and radio/cd player, I don't consider them 'extras'. -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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>penmart wrote: >>>Cheri wrote: >>> >>> I really don't use the cruise control much since there is a lot of traffic >>> in CA and really not useful. I am not interested in the gadgets that come >>> with new cars at all, but I know others are so it's all good. >> >> I never use the cruise control in my car, I don't find it safe in any >> kind of traffic. However I occasionally use the cruise control in my >> tractor, very handy for long runs at low speed and naturally there is >> no traffic. > >I use it a lot on the highway but in traffic it is not so useful. On a >long trip it is very nice. The adaptive CC is really nice. It >maintains a safe distance and will slow you down. If the car in front >stops fast, it will stop you fast too. I rarely go into traffic anymore, most of my driving is on country roads, very winding and no traffic. The only time I use cruise control is on my tractor... I think I tried it twice with my Landcruiser, for about 2-3 minutes each time.... in traffic I find cruise control very distracting... I never use a cell phome either. Why do people need to be on a phone 24/7... must be their personal insecurity, unless they're communicating/'conversating' with someone they don't know they exist. I'm absolutely positive that the *public* use of a cell phone is indicative of insanity. |
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On 8/26/2017 2:10 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message > ... >> On 8/25/2017 3:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> On 8/25/2017 2:45 PM, Cheri wrote: >> >>>> That's not really true. Nobody had even heard of some of the modern >>>> things in those days, and most no frills cars certainly had radios, >>>> air conditioning etc. >> >>> Really? I had a couple of cars that did not even offer AC as an >>> option. I had a top of the line Bonneville with no AC, no electric >>> windows. Four of my first five cars did not have AC. >> >> I didn't have a/c until the late 80s. Or electric windows or a >> tape deck. > I had all of that and power seats in 1978. A beautiful sound system with > an 8 track. Woah, fancy! I was young and poor, and just saying there were plenty of cars with no frills then. nancy |
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On 2017-08-26 2:06 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-10, wrote: >> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> >>> There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being >>> distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent >>> some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi >>> g cell phones. >>> >>> >> What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their >> cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're >> just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't >> heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart. > > What I see frequently is a car waiting at a stop light just not moving when the other cars have gone. That happens all the time - it's funny. We always say "texting!" > That happened to me recently. When the car eventually moved it was being driven rather erratically over the next km or so. I overtook and saw that it was an elderly woman at the wheel looking at her phone! That was a surprise! |
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On 8/26/2017 4:06 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> What I see frequently is a car waiting at a stop light just not >moving when the other cars have gone. That happens all the time - >it's funny. We always say "texting!" Some comedian said something about cell phones, too bad they don't tell you when the light's changed. nancy |
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On 2017-08-26 4:51 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1"Â* wrote in message > ... > > > Humans are just awful drivers. Yesterday, I was approaching a stop light > next to a Taco Bell when I spotted a van pulling out of the driveway so > I stopped to let them pull out. They then pulled out in front of a guy > walking past the driveway. They made contact. The guy probably felt dumb > for not watching the van. I didn't see the guy - until they hit. The van > driver didn't see the guy because they were making eye contact with me. > It ended with the guy limping into the Taco Bell and us driving off. > Humans can't see what's in front of them even when conditions are perfect. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWgrvNHjKkY > > == > > I don't think I would want a 'driver' like that Â* I don't drive now as > much as I should.Â* I drove for many years with no problems but now?Â* DH > prefers to take his car and since we just about always go everywhere > together since he retired ...Â* I took mine out this morning for the > first time in a few weeks, but I got him to drive back.Â* This is really > bad!Â* If, for any reason he is off his feet, I will need to drive my > car Â* I really must start driving more> Dad was in hospital during the Suez Crisis and Mum had been learning to drive. Petrol was rationed and learners were able to drive without a driver accompanying them. She eventually got her licence but as soon as Dad recovered, she never drove again. |
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"Ophelia" > wrote in message
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>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message > ... >> On 8/25/2017 2:45 PM, Cheri wrote: > >> The only "frills" my car has is air conditioning, electric windows and >> locks (I do have to unlock the door with a key, no big deal), AM/FM >> radio/CD player which I don't care about. I suppose you could count the >> rear window wiper blade as a "frill" since it's a hatchback. It runs >> very well, minimal routine maintenance costs. It works for me. >> >> Jill > > > It would work very well for me as well. > > Cheri > > == > > It has been so many years since I had a car with no electric windows and > radio/cd player, I don't consider them 'extras'. Me either really and you don't have to study a thick book for days to know how to operate them. Cheri |
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"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
... > On 8/26/2017 2:10 AM, Cheri wrote: >> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message >> ... >>> On 8/25/2017 3:06 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>> On 8/25/2017 2:45 PM, Cheri wrote: >>> >>>>> That's not really true. Nobody had even heard of some of the modern >>>>> things in those days, and most no frills cars certainly had radios, >>>>> air conditioning etc. >>> >>>> Really? I had a couple of cars that did not even offer AC as an option. >>>> I had a top of the line Bonneville with no AC, no electric windows. >>>> Four of my first five cars did not have AC. >>> >>> I didn't have a/c until the late 80s. Or electric windows or a >>> tape deck. > >> I had all of that and power seats in 1978. A beautiful sound system with >> an 8 track. > > Woah, fancy! > > I was young and poor, and just saying there were plenty of cars with > no frills then. > > nancy It was my mother's car that I inherited when she got ill. Cheri |
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On 8/25/2017 11:09 PM, wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 8:06:01 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> >> On 8/25/2017 8:40 PM, wrote: >> >>>> "Cheri" wrote: >>>> >>>> I really don't use the cruise control much since there is a lot of traffic >>>> in CA and really not useful. I am not interested in the gadgets that come >>>> with new cars at all, but I know others are so it's all good. >>> >>> I never use the cruise control in my car, I don't find it safe in any >>> kind of traffic. However I occasionally use the cruise control in my >>> tractor, very handy for long runs at low speed and naturally there is >>> no traffic. >> >> I use it a lot on the highway but in traffic it is not so useful. On a >> long trip it is very nice. The adaptive CC is really nice. It >> maintains a safe distance and will slow you down. If the car in front >> stops fast, it will stop you fast too. >> >> > I use the cruise control on the highway as it saves that right leg > from fatigue. When I use it consistently I do get about 25 more > miles per tankful of gas. > Saves on speeding tickets too. I never set the CC more than 9 mph over the limit and it won't drift off like the right leg will and push higher. |
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On 8/26/2017 8:54 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-08-26 4:51 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> >> I don't think I would want a 'driver' like that Â* I don't drive now >> as much as I should.Â* I drove for many years with no problems but >> now?Â* DH prefers to take his car and since we just about always go >> everywhere together since he retired ...Â* I took mine out this morning >> for the first time in a few weeks, but I got him to drive back.Â* This >> is really bad!Â* If, for any reason he is off his feet, I will need to >> drive my car Â* I really must start driving more>> > Dad was in hospital during the Suez Crisis and Mum had been learning to > drive. Petrol was rationed and learners were able to drive without a > driver accompanying them. She eventually got her licence but as soon as > Dad recovered, she never drove again. If you go back to the 50's and even into the 60's, many women did not drive. One car was sufficient and dad took it to work. Rarely did a woman actually buy a car. Now, almost half the new car buyers are women. |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 06:54:48 -0600, graham > wrote:
>On 2017-08-26 4:51 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> "dsi1"* wrote in message >> ... >> >> >> Humans are just awful drivers. Yesterday, I was approaching a stop light >> next to a Taco Bell when I spotted a van pulling out of the driveway so >> I stopped to let them pull out. They then pulled out in front of a guy >> walking past the driveway. They made contact. The guy probably felt dumb >> for not watching the van. I didn't see the guy - until they hit. The van >> driver didn't see the guy because they were making eye contact with me. >> It ended with the guy limping into the Taco Bell and us driving off. >> Humans can't see what's in front of them even when conditions are perfect. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWgrvNHjKkY >> >> == >> >> I don't think I would want a 'driver' like that * I don't drive now as >> much as I should.* I drove for many years with no problems but now?* DH >> prefers to take his car and since we just about always go everywhere >> together since he retired ...* I took mine out this morning for the >> first time in a few weeks, but I got him to drive back.* This is really >> bad!* If, for any reason he is off his feet, I will need to drive my >> car * I really must start driving more>> >Dad was in hospital during the Suez Crisis and Mum had been learning to >drive. Petrol was rationed and learners were able to drive without a >driver accompanying them. She eventually got her licence but as soon as >Dad recovered, she never drove again. There were plenty like that, usually husbands discouraged wives driving I didn't bother much with a car when the kids were youngand I was in the UK for awhile, buses were quick and plentiful, whereas parking was not, and I would often walk one way with kids and stroller, get groceries and bus back, easier (and more tiring for the kids) that driving and parking etc. |
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 09:39:59 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote: >On 8/25/2017 5:01 AM, Ophelia wrote: >> "Nancy Young"* wrote in message ... > >> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to >> stay engaged.* Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep. > >> On the radio this morning there was a piece about one person driving 3 >> lorries.* The driver being in the front one and controlling the ones behind >> (???????) >> >> Hmmm until the first really bad accident!** I suppose it might be ok on the >> motorway but what happens when they come off into regular streets? > >I read about really bad accidents at least once a week. Mostly the >people would not have been in one if the car was paying attention. >Falling asleep on their way home from Atlantic City. Or the ever >popular 'lost control' ... these would all be avoidable with computer >intervention. > >My point being I think the accident rate would plummet despite any >collisions that might be caused by computer controlled vehicles. >The computer isn't desperate to read its texts, for one thing. >Doesn't drink and never had a bad night's sleep. > >nancy Absolutely. I do not want a vehicle that drives itself because I really like driving, but if the roads were filled with a majority of them the accident rates would likely plummet. I would use one if I still had to do the hour each way commute, the amount of work (or sleep) I could get in... JB |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 09:41:34 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>On 8/26/2017 8:54 AM, graham wrote: >> On 2017-08-26 4:51 AM, Ophelia wrote: > >>> >>> I don't think I would want a 'driver' like that * I don't drive now >>> as much as I should.* I drove for many years with no problems but >>> now?* DH prefers to take his car and since we just about always go >>> everywhere together since he retired ...* I took mine out this morning >>> for the first time in a few weeks, but I got him to drive back.* This >>> is really bad!* If, for any reason he is off his feet, I will need to >>> drive my car * I really must start driving more>>> >> Dad was in hospital during the Suez Crisis and Mum had been learning to >> drive. Petrol was rationed and learners were able to drive without a >> driver accompanying them. She eventually got her licence but as soon as >> Dad recovered, she never drove again. > >If you go back to the 50's and even into the 60's, many women did not >drive. One car was sufficient and dad took it to work. Rarely did a >woman actually buy a car. Now, almost half the new car buyers are women. That's not true... far more than half the new cars are leased. |
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 07:02:45 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote: >> On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >> > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:50:23 PM UTC-4, wrote: >> >> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:15:35 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote: >> >>> >> >>> The avg price for a car is now about $33K-USD. You can buy a house >> >>> fer less! 8| >> >> >> Where can you buy a house for less than $33,000? I mean a house >> >> that is turn-key. >> > >> > Probably not even in Detroit. >> >> I actually wrote those very words and deleted them. > >Yah, well, I was born in Detroit, so I'm allowed to >criticize it. > >> I gather you can pick one up cheap from the city if you agree to >> renovate it. I think Detroit's coming back. Seems you can buy >> the adjacent lots for a song, plenty of empty ones where they >> razed the houses, I'd buy as many as I could. > >You'd want to pick your neighborhood fairly carefully. There's >no point owning lots if the entire block they're on is razed >and never re-developed. > >Cindy Hamilton I know nothing much about Detroit beyond articles I read after your financial crash, basically stating it was a dying city. However, I was searching for something or other yesterday and came across an article stating that Detroit has a growing number of cycling tourists due to its 400 odd miles of cycling tracks and its flat topography. JB |
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On 8/26/2017 10:12 AM, JBurns wrote:
>> >> My point being I think the accident rate would plummet despite any >> collisions that might be caused by computer controlled vehicles. >> The computer isn't desperate to read its texts, for one thing. >> Doesn't drink and never had a bad night's sleep. >> >> nancy > > Absolutely. I do not want a vehicle that drives itself because I > really like driving, but if the roads were filled with a majority of > them the accident rates would likely plummet. I would use one if I > still had to do the hour each way commute, the amount of work (or > sleep) I could get in... > > JB > I like driving too but the 24 mile commute got boring after 27 years. I'd not mind a self driver for that. Our last trip in May was 4000 miles and I did not mind it a bit. |
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On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 9:41:43 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 8:54 AM, graham wrote: > > On 2017-08-26 4:51 AM, Ophelia wrote: > > >> > >> I don't think I would want a 'driver' like that Â* I don't drive now > >> as much as I should.Â* I drove for many years with no problems but > >> now?Â* DH prefers to take his car and since we just about always go > >> everywhere together since he retired ...Â* I took mine out this morning > >> for the first time in a few weeks, but I got him to drive back.Â* This > >> is really bad!Â* If, for any reason he is off his feet, I will need to > >> drive my car Â* I really must start driving more> >> > > Dad was in hospital during the Suez Crisis and Mum had been learning to > > drive. Petrol was rationed and learners were able to drive without a > > driver accompanying them. She eventually got her licence but as soon as > > Dad recovered, she never drove again. > > If you go back to the 50's and even into the 60's, many women did not > drive. One car was sufficient and dad took it to work. Rarely did a > woman actually buy a car. Now, almost half the new car buyers are women. About half the population are women, so that's about right. I'm considerably younger than you; all my friends' mothers drove. In my generation, both sexes considered getting their driver's license an important rite of passage. IIRC, at least one of my grandmother's friends didn't drive. My grandmother often picked her up and drove her places, although when the canasta ladies met at my grandmother's house, someone else drove Ora Lee there. Motown. Cars were (and still are) king. Cindy Hamilton |
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"Cheri" wrote in message news
"Ophelia" > wrote in message ... > "Cheri" wrote in message news
>> "jmcquown" > wrote in message > ... >> On 8/25/2017 2:45 PM, Cheri wrote: > >> The only "frills" my car has is air conditioning, electric windows and >> locks (I do have to unlock the door with a key, no big deal), AM/FM >> radio/CD player which I don't care about. I suppose you could count the >> rear window wiper blade as a "frill" since it's a hatchback. It runs >> very well, minimal routine maintenance costs. It works for me. >> >> Jill > > > It would work very well for me as well. > > Cheri > > == > > It has been so many years since I had a car with no electric windows and > radio/cd player, I don't consider them 'extras'. Me either really and you don't have to study a thick book for days to know how to operate them. Cheri == I was rather concerned when I read this: Researchers hack self diving cars https://www.autoblog.com/2017/08/04/...hack-stickers/ -- http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk |
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 22:21:56 +0800, JBurns >
wrote: >On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 07:02:45 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton > wrote: > >>On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote: >>> On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>> > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:50:23 PM UTC-4, wrote: >>> >> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:15:35 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> The avg price for a car is now about $33K-USD. You can buy a house >>> >>> fer less! 8| >>> >>> >> Where can you buy a house for less than $33,000? I mean a house >>> >> that is turn-key. >>> > >>> > Probably not even in Detroit. >>> >>> I actually wrote those very words and deleted them. >> >>Yah, well, I was born in Detroit, so I'm allowed to >>criticize it. >> >>> I gather you can pick one up cheap from the city if you agree to >>> renovate it. I think Detroit's coming back. Seems you can buy >>> the adjacent lots for a song, plenty of empty ones where they >>> razed the houses, I'd buy as many as I could. >> >>You'd want to pick your neighborhood fairly carefully. There's >>no point owning lots if the entire block they're on is razed >>and never re-developed. >> >>Cindy Hamilton > >I know nothing much about Detroit beyond articles I read after your >financial crash, basically stating it was a dying city. However, I was >searching for something or other yesterday and came across an article >stating that Detroit has a growing number of cycling tourists due to >its 400 odd miles of cycling tracks and its flat topography. Bicycling has become a very common mode of transportation in the US. Bicycle paths are being built everywhere. |
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