On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 2:06 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> >> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being
> >>> distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent
> >>> some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi
> >>> g cell phones.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their
> >> cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're
> >> just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't
> >> heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart.
> >
> > What I see frequently is a car waiting at a stop light just not moving when the other cars have gone. That happens all the time - it's funny. We always say "texting!"
> >
>
> "Caught between the longing for love
> And the struggle for the legal tender
> Where the sirens sing and the church bells ring
> And the junk man pounds his fender
> Where the veterans dream of the fight
> Fast asleep at the traffic light..."
>
> - Jackson Browne
>
>
> ....times have changed...

The trouble with driving a car is that it takes valuable time away from doing what people really would rather do - texting and watching movies on their phones. Self-driving cars will free men from this mundane chore and allow them to reach their full potential.

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 9:38:36 AM UTC-10, wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 8:41:43 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > On 8/26/2017 8:54 AM, graham wrote:
> >
> > > Dad was in hospital during the Suez Crisis and Mum had been learning to
> > > drive. Petrol was rationed and learners were able to drive without a
> > > driver accompanying them. She eventually got her licence but as soon as
> > > Dad recovered, she never drove again.
> >
> > If you go back to the 50's and even into the 60's, many women did not
> > drive. One car was sufficient and dad took it to work. Rarely did a
> > woman actually buy a car. Now, almost half the new car buyers are women.
> >
> >
> My mother never learned to drive nor did one of her sisters. Even as a
> small child I vowed I would learn to drive and have my own car. When
> my dad died she always had to depend on one of us children to take her
> anywhere she needed to go. We never minded as we got to spend one on
> one time with her but she never knew the independence of having her own
> transportation.

Both of my sons weren't in any hurry to learn to drive. My daughter was in a big hurry though. It's a very puzzling thing. She totaled 2 cars so that didn't turn out so good.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:06:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 8/26/2017 2:06 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-10, wrote:
>> >> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being
>> >>> distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent
>> >>> some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi
>> >>> g cell phones.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their
>> >> cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're
>> >> just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't
>> >> heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart.
>> >
>> > What I see frequently is a car waiting at a stop light just not moving when the other cars have gone. That happens all the time - it's funny. We always say "texting!"
>> >
>>
>> "Caught between the longing for love
>> And the struggle for the legal tender
>> Where the sirens sing and the church bells ring
>> And the junk man pounds his fender
>> Where the veterans dream of the fight
>> Fast asleep at the traffic light..."
>>
>> - Jackson Browne
>>
>>
>> ....times have changed...
>
>The trouble with driving a car is that it takes valuable time away from doing what people really would rather do - texting and watching movies on their phones. Self-driving cars will free men from this mundane chore and allow them to reach their full potential.

I think it's high time for self-texting phones.

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 2:51:25 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 2017-08-26 2:06 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> >> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being
> >>> distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent
> >>> some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi
> >>> g cell phones.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their
> >> cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're
> >> just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't
> >> heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart.
> >
> > What I see frequently is a car waiting at a stop light just not moving when the other cars have gone. That happens all the time - it's funny. We always say "texting!"
> >
> That happened to me recently. When the car eventually moved it was being
> driven rather erratically over the next km or so. I overtook and saw
> that it was an elderly woman at the wheel looking at her phone! That was
> a surprise!

This is a relatively new phenomenon that I've noticed. I've also see people driving on the right side of the road. Sometimes they cross the lines or drive into the shoulder. I always say "texting!" It's a fun little game we play. At least they ain't drunk?

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 2:51:58 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 4:06 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>
> > What I see frequently is a car waiting at a stop light just not
> >moving when the other cars have gone. That happens all the time -
> >it's funny. We always say "texting!"
>
> Some comedian said something about cell phones, too bad they
> don't tell you when the light's changed.
>
> nancy

That would make a great app!

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 1:20:31 PM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:06:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 <dsiyahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> >> On 8/26/2017 2:06 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >> > On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-10, wrote:
> >> >> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being
> >> >>> distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can prevent
> >> >>> some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people usi
> >> >>> g cell phones.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >> What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their
> >> >> cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're
> >> >> just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't
> >> >> heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart.
> >> >
> >> > What I see frequently is a car waiting at a stop light just not moving when the other cars have gone. That happens all the time - it's funny. We always say "texting!"
> >> >
> >>
> >> "Caught between the longing for love
> >> And the struggle for the legal tender
> >> Where the sirens sing and the church bells ring
> >> And the junk man pounds his fender
> >> Where the veterans dream of the fight
> >> Fast asleep at the traffic light..."
> >>
> >> - Jackson Browne
> >>
> >>
> >> ....times have changed...
> >
> >The trouble with driving a car is that it takes valuable time away from doing what people really would rather do - texting and watching movies on their phones. Self-driving cars will free men from this mundane chore and allow them to reach their full potential.
>
> I think it's high time for self-texting phones.

Now that makes sense!

On 8/26/2017 5:49 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 5:04:08 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:

>> I always loathed car shopping so when we each had our own car, I'd
>> pick out what I wanted and he would go buy it. I don't have a
>> great excuse except dealers used to talk down to me or insist I
>> wanted an automatic, so aggravating.
>
> That must have been quite a while ago. Or perhaps I seem more
> physically and psychologically imposing than you. If salesmen
> **** me off, I bring out my really big vocabulary. It tends to
> make them feel like children.

It was a long time ago. It was pretty common at one time for car
salesmen (always men) to treat women like that. I really hated it,
I don't like haggling at all and that's why buying a car through
something like Costco is for me.

The salespeople I've come across lately are nothing like the old
stereotype.

> Also, I ask them stuff like "what's the ground clearance" (oddly,
> very few of them know), and "what's the spare--full size or miniature?"
> (My current SUV has a full-size spare slung under the chassis; I doubt
> I'm strong enough to drag it out of there, anyway.)

Even if you could, that's just the beginning of the battle. Ron is a
6 2 weightlifter and getting the old tire off was no joke.
>> Then he was the one commuting and I worked from home, so he'd buy
>> his new cars by himself. It has just worked out he always signs the
>> papers. Doesn't bother me either way.
>
> Huh. I wondered about that. Not that I expect divorce or anything,
> but I like the feeling of security that comes with having my name on
> the title.

It's really out of character for me, I have my own credit cards and have
since I was in my early 20s when the banks were confused by that and
wanted to know how much my husband made to approve me. Hell no.

But I don't worry about the cars, if he leaves, he doesn't take them
both. Equitable distribution and we had nothing when we got married.
Not that he's going anywhere, he's insistent on sticking around. Soft
in the head, I guess.

nancy

On 8/26/2017 5:51 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 26 Aug 2017 02:03:52p, Nancy Young told us...

>> Then he was the one commuting and I worked from home, so he'd buy
>> his new cars by himself. It has just worked out he always signs
>> the papers. Doesn't bother me either way.

> When we both retired within months of each other we decided to give
> up one car. It made no sense to maintain the expense of two cars
> when we rarely both drove seaparately at the same time.

Exactly! Took him a couple of months to get it, we don't need
two cars. If something comes up where we do, rent a car for a
day or whatever, it'll be way cheaper than paying insurance and
registration for one car to sit there idle.

We're back to two cars for the moment as I was gone all the time
taking care of my mother. Came in handy.

nancy

On 8/26/2017 6:57 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 5:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> I always loathed car shopping so when we each had our own car, I'd
>> pick out what I wanted and he would go buy it.Â* I don't have a
>> great excuse except dealers used to talk down to me or insist I
>> wanted an automatic, so aggravating.

> I've run into that situation, as you well know.Â* Stop showing me
> automatics!Â* I told you I want a manual transmission, why are you
> wasting my time?!

They don't believe you.

When Ron went to buy my last Honda, he told the salesman it was
for his wife. Great!! We have an automatic here on the lot!
He laughed, if I come home with an automatic, she'll kill me.

nancy

On 8/26/2017 3:50 PM, wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 12:14:29 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> I did fail my DL test twice, once for speeding and once
>> for the parallel parking, however I am a great parallel parker now.
>>
>> Cher
>>
>>
> Parallel parking is just so darn easy, I don't understand why so
> many drivers have trouble with it.
>

Takes a little practice though. I used to do it at least a couple of
times a day and it was easy. Now I do it a couple of times a year so it
takes a little longer. Most cars in the past 20 years have poor
visibility out the rear windows so it can be tough to judge the distance
but now the camera makes that simple.

"Casa de Masa" > wrote in message
news
> "Caught between the longing for love
> And the struggle for the legal tender
> Where the sirens sing and the church bells ring
> And the junk man pounds his fender
> Where the veterans dream of the fight
> Fast asleep at the traffic light..."
>
> - Jackson Browne
>
>
> ....times have changed...



I love Jackson Browne, especially "Running on Empty."

Cheri

"Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
news:71cf5159-5740-48d6-99cf-

> Huh. I wondered about that. Not that I expect divorce or anything,
> but I like the feeling of security that comes with having my name on
> the title.
>
> Cindy Hamilton


Me too, we've never had a car that wasn't in both of our names.

Cheri

On 8/26/2017 3:05 PM, Ding - Dong Daddy wrote:

>
> Remember when we were kids and "new car time" rolled around every fall, it was almost as thrilling as Christmas or any other fun holiday. Now younger folk regard vehicles as "appliances", like a microwave or toaster oven. They are thrilled by new phones and social media, not new cars so much...
>

The car dealers would have the windows blocked during the changeover too.

From a block away I could tell if a Chevy was 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59,
etc. Now you pot a few model years together and it is hard enough to
tell the Toyota from the Mazda let alone a 2010 from a 2015.

I'd love to have a '58 Impala with the chassis, running gear and
technology of today.

"Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
...
>
> From a block away I could tell if a Chevy was 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, etc.
> Now you pot a few model years together and it is hard enough to tell the
> Toyota from the Mazda let alone a 2010 from a 2015.
>
> I'd love to have a '58 Impala with the chassis, running gear and
> technology of today.


My favorite car was a 63 chevy impala, but the 58 was nice looking too. I
can still pick out all the chevy years up until 1967, they lost me as far as
identification of the year goes then.

On 8/26/2017 3:01 PM, Ding - Dong Daddy wrote:

>
> Of course with me, this gets back to the JOBS JOBS JOBS thing. You can open a snazzy new hi - tech manufacturing facility with a 1000 jobs in Detroit, rural Kentucky, inner city Baltimore, or South Side Chicago, with high - paying career jobs, but only a small percentage of applicants would be qualified for those jobs - they lack the technical and life skills, plus few could even pass a drug test.
>
> In impoverished rural and urban American, we have a whole new permanent "underclass of despair", they are jobless, skill - less, addicted to opioid/crack/alcohol, suicides, violence, they engage in criminal acts and end up in prison. This population lacks good role models, from birth - mama is a crack whore, and "who's my baby daddy?". Pretty hopeless! This is what happened to many in the USSR after communism fell, Russia has developed a whole new "class of despair" of defeated people - and we've got it here in the States now, too, from the hollers of West Virginia to the slums of Oakland, California...
>
> "What to do...WHAT to DO...!!!???"
>
> PS: I know that Sheldon and some others here are always saying "get a SKILL...vocational education...!!!" And that is true, we need vocational training. Heck, I know formerly poor peeps who got their CDL licenses, and now they make a very comfortable living as truck drivers; same with welding, plumbing, electricians, any other skilled trade. BUT, people in general are often too soft nowadays, the concept of goal - setting, paying one's dues, and a day's hard work are alien concepts, both in the ghetto and the Ivy League college campuses...
>
>

Not going to be easy to change. The Big Three of the auto industry is
never coming back. Neither is any of the manufacturing we knew decades
ago. Right now the few wealthy whites are paying the taxes needed to
support some local government services.

Jobs and education are key, as is getting rid of drugs. It won't be
easy and I have no idea where to start. One way may be to entice
companies that still manufacture in the US to locate there with good
paying jobs so the locals can afford to stay and fix up their homes and
support local businesses. It worked for Henry Ford a hundred years ago.

On 2017-08-26 6:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 3:05 PM, Ding - Dong Daddy wrote:
>
>>
>> Remember when we were kids and "new car time" rolled around every
>> fall, it was almost as thrilling as Christmas or any other fun
>> holiday.Â* Now younger folk regard vehicles as "appliances", like a
>> microwave or toaster oven.Â* They are thrilled by new phones and social
>> media, not new cars so much...
>>
>
> The car dealers would have the windows blocked during the changeover too.
>
> From a block away I could tell if a Chevy was 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59,
> etc.Â* Now you pot a few model years together and it is hard enough to
> tell the Toyota from the Mazda let alone a 2010 from a 2015.
>
> I'd love to have a '58 Impala with the chassis, running gear and
> technology of today.

Back in the 60s I used to gauge a job prospect by the time it would take
me to save up and buy an XKE, despite the fact that with my height, I
would need a shoehorn to get in one.
Marriage, kids and house renos converted me to station wagons, and now SUVs.
Graham

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 9:01:08 AM UTC-10, Ding - Dong Daddy wrote:
> Golden One wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 07:02:45 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 9:47:12 AM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
> > >> On 8/25/2017 6:29 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > >> > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 6:50:23 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> > >> >> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:15:35 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> The avg price for a car is now about $33K-USD. You can buy a house
> > >> >>> fer less! 8|
> > >>
> > >> >> Where can you buy a house for less than $33,000? I mean a house
> > >> >> that is turn-key.
> > >> >
> > >> > Probably not even in Detroit.
> > >>
> > >> I actually wrote those very words and deleted them.
> > >
> > >Yah, well, I was born in Detroit, so I'm allowed to
> > >criticize it.
> > >
> > >> I gather you can pick one up cheap from the city if you agree to
> > >> renovate it. I think Detroit's coming back. Seems you can buy
> > >> the adjacent lots for a song, plenty of empty ones where they
> > >> razed the houses, I'd buy as many as I could.
> > >
> > >You'd want to pick your neighborhood fairly carefully. There's
> > >no point owning lots if the entire block they're on is razed
> > >and never re-developed.
> > >
> > >Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > I know nothing much about Detroit beyond articles I read after your
> > financial crash, basically stating it was a dying city. However, I was
> > searching for something or other yesterday and came across an article
> > stating that Detroit has a growing number of cycling tourists due to
> > its 400 odd miles of cycling tracks and its flat topography.
>
>
> The thing is, all this new stuff going on in Detroit is primarily done by and for wealthy whites, who can afford organic farmers markets, cycling tourist trails, trendy art galleries, old industrial sites transformed into chic loft housing, microbreweries, etc....few if any of these things can the embattled black majority afford or access, they might as well be a million miles away. I saw some article that new "tiny homes" might be an answer to house some of Detroit's poorer residents...but those "tiny homes" carry a price tag of 75 - 100K, at that price point they are a white hipster affectation, not viable for the poor.
>
> Looking at an aerial view of Detroit, you notice a few downtown high - rises surrounded by what seems to be rural prairie - 'cept those "prairies" used to be thriving nabes, now those are abandoned and demolished. Very eerie, most of the city looks like the abandoned remains of Chernobyl, fast reverting to nature.
>
> During WWII Detroit would have been, if an independent nation, the fourth - biggest industrial power in the world, ranking behind the US, UK, and Germany. The Allies won the war because of Detroit's mighty output. I wish there were some viable way to revive the place, the outlook remains pretty dim.
>
> Of course with me, this gets back to the JOBS JOBS JOBS thing. You can open a snazzy new hi - tech manufacturing facility with a 1000 jobs in Detroit, rural Kentucky, inner city Baltimore, or South Side Chicago, with high - paying career jobs, but only a small percentage of applicants would be qualified for those jobs - they lack the technical and life skills, plus few could even pass a drug test.
>
> In impoverished rural and urban American, we have a whole new permanent "underclass of despair", they are jobless, skill - less, addicted to opioid/crack/alcohol, suicides, violence, they engage in criminal acts and end up in prison. This population lacks good role models, from birth - mama is a crack whore, and "who's my baby daddy?". Pretty hopeless! This is what happened to many in the USSR after communism fell, Russia has developed a whole new "class of despair" of defeated people - and we've got it here in the States now, too, from the hollers of West Virginia to the slums of Oakland, California...
>
> "What to do...WHAT to DO...!!!???"
>
> PS: I know that Sheldon and some others here are always saying "get a SKILL...vocational education...!!!" And that is true, we need vocational training. Heck, I know formerly poor peeps who got their CDL licenses, and now they make a very comfortable living as truck drivers; same with welding, plumbing, electricians, any other skilled trade. BUT, people in general are often too soft nowadays, the concept of goal - setting, paying one's dues, and a day's hard work are alien concepts, both in the ghetto and the Ivy League college campuses...
>
>
> --
> Best
> Greg

People might be getting soft but the post war generations had it easy. Back then, a working guy and his wife could save up to buy a house and then maybe they could raise a family and buy a new car every year. My generation could work part-time and could pay for their own college tuition. After college, I could work at some low paying job and pay for rent and food. Things have changed. The kids are going to have a hard time paying for the $1100+ rent for a dumpy apartment around here. We just moved my son into an apartment next to his school. It's $850/month. Jeese, what a hell-hole!

On 8/26/2017 8:21 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Ed Pawlowski" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> From a block away I could tell if a Chevy was 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59,
>> etc. Now you pot a few model years together and it is hard enough to
>> tell the Toyota from the Mazda let alone a 2010 from a 2015.
>>
>> I'd love to have a '58 Impala with the chassis, running gear and
>> technology of today.
>
>
> My favorite car was a 63 chevy impala, but the 58 was nice looking too.
> I can still pick out all the chevy years up until 1967, they lost me as
> far as identification of the year goes then.

When my FIL passed I was supposed to get his '64 Chevy with 30k miles in
27 years. I took care of the car for him when he was sick so he wanted
me to have it. There was no will, but it was known. My MIL though,
thought I should wait a few months because a granddaughter did not have
transportation at the time. Of course, she totaled it.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 2:14:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> ...
>> I happen to like all the overpriced goodies. I can sit at my computer
>> to find a place I want to go to and send it to my car so it will be in
>> the navigation when I want to use it.
> ...
>
> My Nissan Leaf 100% electric has TOO MANY DAMNED BUTTONS! Anywhere I touch I'm likely to screw up my sound system! And the direction of motion switch is backwards, forward for reverse and back for forward! Dumbshits! :-( A number of other dumbshit extraneous buttons like directly below the sound level up and directly below the down button is the OFF button! I'll be driving trying to turn the sound down and my finger will slip and hit the mute/OFF button!! ****!
>
> John Kuthe...
>
Never got the house, eh? Good thing - trust me.

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On 8/26/2017 8:10 PM, Cheri wrote:
> I love Jackson Browne, especially "Running on Empty."
>
> Cheri

I love Jackson Browne, too! The Load Out/Stay.

Jill

On 8/26/2017 7:56 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 6:57 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/26/2017 5:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> I always loathed car shopping so when we each had our own car, I'd
>>> pick out what I wanted and he would go buy it. I don't have a
>>> great excuse except dealers used to talk down to me or insist I
>>> wanted an automatic, so aggravating.
>
>> I've run into that situation, as you well know. Stop showing me
>> automatics! I told you I want a manual transmission, why are you
>> wasting my time?!
>
> They don't believe you.
>
The question is why don't they believe? Do they honestly think we're
too stupid to know exactly what we want? Sorry, but why are you showing
me mini-vans when I asked for a small sedan? Idiots. That's the
fastest way to get me to go to a different dealership.

> When Ron went to buy my last Honda, he told the salesman it was
> for his wife. Great!! We have an automatic here on the lot!
> He laughed, if I come home with an automatic, she'll kill me.
>
> nancy

When I want an automatic transmission I'll let them know. (smile)

Jill

On 8/26/2017 8:14 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Cindy Hamilton" > wrote in message
> news:71cf5159-5740-48d6-99cf-
>
>> Huh. I wondered about that. Not that I expect divorce or anything,
>> but I like the feeling of security that comes with having my name on
>> the title.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>
> Me too, we've never had a car that wasn't in both of our names.
>
> Cheri

I found out when my dad died, it's important how the names read on the
title. Both of their names were on the car but in order to
automatically transfer the title to my mother after he died it had to
read Max "or" her, not just "and". Weird SC law. <shrug> They got it
right and it transferred to her.

Jill

On 8/26/2017 9:48 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 7:56 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>>> I've run into that situation, as you well know.Â* Stop showing me
>>> automatics!Â* I told you I want a manual transmission, why are you
>>> wasting my time?!
>>
>> They don't believe you.
>>
> The question is why don't they believe?Â* Do they honestly think we're
> too stupid to know exactly what we want?Â* Sorry, but why are you showing
> me mini-vans when I asked for a small sedan?Â* Idiots.Â* That's the
> fastest way to get me to go to a different dealership.
>

The evolution of the car salesman is a very slow process. Some are
still in the cro-magnon era.

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/26/2017 8:10 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> I love Jackson Browne, especially "Running on Empty."
>>
>> Cheri
>
> I love Jackson Browne, too! The Load Out/Stay.
>
> Jill


That is a good song!

Cheri

"Nancy Young" wrote in message ...

On 8/26/2017 11:54 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 11:46 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> My name isn't on either car. Just because I didn't sign the papers
>> doesn't mean I wasn't a major factor in what car we buy. Dealers have
>> learned to be nice to the wife.

> True. My wife does not care about the engine or optional wheel size,
> but she has picked out or at least approved the color. She has not
> driven in a few years but still likes to ride in comfort so she wants
> all the goodies too.

I've turned over the color choice, for some reason he always wants
a black car anymore. But it will have 4 doors, and 6 cylinders.
That tends to come with the toys I like, too. He doesn't get his
two doors and I, regrettably, don't get my stick shift. I had my
way on that for years so it's his choice now.

nancy

==

You are so generous ... I hope he realises just how lucky he is <g>





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"Nancy Young" wrote in message ...

On 8/26/2017 5:49 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 5:04:08 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:

>> I always loathed car shopping so when we each had our own car, I'd
>> pick out what I wanted and he would go buy it. I don't have a
>> great excuse except dealers used to talk down to me or insist I
>> wanted an automatic, so aggravating.
>
> That must have been quite a while ago. Or perhaps I seem more
> physically and psychologically imposing than you. If salesmen
> **** me off, I bring out my really big vocabulary. It tends to
> make them feel like children.

It was a long time ago. It was pretty common at one time for car
salesmen (always men) to treat women like that. I really hated it,
I don't like haggling at all and that's why buying a car through
something like Costco is for me.

The salespeople I've come across lately are nothing like the old
stereotype.

> Also, I ask them stuff like "what's the ground clearance" (oddly,
> very few of them know), and "what's the spare--full size or miniature?"
> (My current SUV has a full-size spare slung under the chassis; I doubt
> I'm strong enough to drag it out of there, anyway.)

Even if you could, that's just the beginning of the battle. Ron is a
6 2 weightlifter and getting the old tire off was no joke.
>> Then he was the one commuting and I worked from home, so he'd buy
>> his new cars by himself. It has just worked out he always signs the
>> papers. Doesn't bother me either way.
>
> Huh. I wondered about that. Not that I expect divorce or anything,
> but I like the feeling of security that comes with having my name on
> the title.

It's really out of character for me, I have my own credit cards and have
since I was in my early 20s when the banks were confused by that and
wanted to know how much my husband made to approve me. Hell no.

But I don't worry about the cars, if he leaves, he doesn't take them
both. Equitable distribution and we had nothing when we got married.
Not that he's going anywhere, he's insistent on sticking around. Soft
in the head

==

LOL same there, but I am not complaining))


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"Nancy Young" wrote in message ...

On 8/26/2017 5:51 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Sat 26 Aug 2017 02:03:52p, Nancy Young told us...

>> Then he was the one commuting and I worked from home, so he'd buy
>> his new cars by himself. It has just worked out he always signs
>> the papers. Doesn't bother me either way.

> When we both retired within months of each other we decided to give
> up one car. It made no sense to maintain the expense of two cars
> when we rarely both drove seaparately at the same time.

Exactly! Took him a couple of months to get it, we don't need
two cars. If something comes up where we do, rent a car for a
day or whatever, it'll be way cheaper than paying insurance and
registration for one car to sit there idle.

We're back to two cars for the moment as I was gone all the time
taking care of my mother. Came in handy.

nancy

==

My car isn't used very often now, but I very reluctant to get rid of it. I
suppose the day will come ...



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"Nancy Young" wrote in message ...

On 8/26/2017 6:57 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 5:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>> I always loathed car shopping so when we each had our own car, I'd
>> pick out what I wanted and he would go buy it. I don't have a
>> great excuse except dealers used to talk down to me or insist I
>> wanted an automatic, so aggravating.

> I've run into that situation, as you well know. Stop showing me
> automatics! I told you I want a manual transmission, why are you wasting
> my time?!

They don't believe you.

When Ron went to buy my last Honda, he told the salesman it was
for his wife. Great!! We have an automatic here on the lot!
He laughed, if I come home with an automatic, she'll kill me.

nancy

==

My current car is automatic. All the rest have been manual drive. Once I
was used to it I love it)



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"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 8/26/2017 2:06 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-10,
> > wrote:
> >> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being
> >>> distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can
> >>> prevent
> >>> some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people
> >>> usi
> >>> g cell phones.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their
> >> cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're
> >> just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't
> >> heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart.
> >
> > What I see frequently is a car waiting at a stop light just not moving
> > when the other cars have gone. That happens all the time - it's funny.
> > We always say "texting!"
> >
>
> "Caught between the longing for love
> And the struggle for the legal tender
> Where the sirens sing and the church bells ring
> And the junk man pounds his fender
> Where the veterans dream of the fight
> Fast asleep at the traffic light..."
>
> - Jackson Browne
>
>
> ....times have changed...

The trouble with driving a car is that it takes valuable time away from
doing what people really would rather do - texting and watching movies on
their phones. Self-driving cars will free men from this mundane chore and
allow them to reach their full potential.

==

Did you see this, I posted it yesterday:

https://www.autoblog.com/2017/08/04/...hack-stickers/

That would worry me a lot!!


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"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 16:06:59 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 9:30:39 AM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 8/26/2017 2:06 AM, dsi1 wrote:
>> > On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-10,
>> > wrote:
>> >> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or
>> >>> being
>> >>> distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can
>> >>> prevent
>> >>> some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people
>> >>> usi
>> >>> g cell phones.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their
>> >> cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're
>> >> just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't
>> >> heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart.
>> >
>> > What I see frequently is a car waiting at a stop light just not moving
>> > when the other cars have gone. That happens all the time - it's funny.
>> > We always say "texting!"
>> >
>>
>> "Caught between the longing for love
>> And the struggle for the legal tender
>> Where the sirens sing and the church bells ring
>> And the junk man pounds his fender
>> Where the veterans dream of the fight
>> Fast asleep at the traffic light..."
>>
>> - Jackson Browne
>>
>>
>> ....times have changed...
>
>The trouble with driving a car is that it takes valuable time away from
>doing what people really would rather do - texting and watching movies on
>their phones. Self-driving cars will free men from this mundane chore and
>allow them to reach their full potential.

I think it's high time for self-texting phones.

==

lol

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"dsi1" wrote in message
...

On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 2:51:25 AM UTC-10, graham wrote:
> On 2017-08-26 2:06 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 12:08:48 PM UTC-10,
> > wrote:
> >> On Friday, August 25, 2017 at 1:59:25 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There are many accidents today cause by people falling asleep or being
> >>> distracted. Things like lane change alerts and lane assist can
> >>> prevent
> >>> some of them. What worries more more is people on drugs and people
> >>> usi
> >>> g cell phones.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> What scares me most when on the road are the knuckleheads on their
> >> cell phones. They terrify me more than inebriated drivers. They're
> >> just as bad inside a store with not paying attention but I haven't
> >> heard of anyone yet being killed by a shopping cart.
> >
> > What I see frequently is a car waiting at a stop light just not moving
> > when the other cars have gone. That happens all the time - it's funny.
> > We always say "texting!"
> >
> That happened to me recently. When the car eventually moved it was being
> driven rather erratically over the next km or so. I overtook and saw
> that it was an elderly woman at the wheel looking at her phone! That was
> a surprise!

This is a relatively new phenomenon that I've noticed. I've also see people
driving on the right side of the road. Sometimes they cross the lines or
drive into the shoulder. I always say "texting!" It's a fun little game we
play. At least they ain't drunk?

==

That is illegal here. You are not even allowed to do it when you are
stopped at traffic lights
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On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:49:16 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 8/26/2017 5:49 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 26, 2017 at 5:04:08 PM UTC-4, Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> I always loathed car shopping so when we each had our own car, I'd
>>> pick out what I wanted and he would go buy it. I don't have a
>>> great excuse except dealers used to talk down to me or insist I
>>> wanted an automatic, so aggravating.
>>
>> That must have been quite a while ago. Or perhaps I seem more
>> physically and psychologically imposing than you. If salesmen
>> **** me off, I bring out my really big vocabulary. It tends to
>> make them feel like children.
>
>It was a long time ago. It was pretty common at one time for car
>salesmen (always men) to treat women like that. I really hated it,
>I don't like haggling at all and that's why buying a car through
>something like Costco is for me.
>
>The salespeople I've come across lately are nothing like the old
>stereotype.
>
>> Also, I ask them stuff like "what's the ground clearance" (oddly,
>> very few of them know), and "what's the spare--full size or miniature?"
>> (My current SUV has a full-size spare slung under the chassis; I doubt
>> I'm strong enough to drag it out of there, anyway.)
>
>Even if you could, that's just the beginning of the battle. Ron is a
>6 2 weightlifter and getting the old tire off was no joke.
>>> Then he was the one commuting and I worked from home, so he'd buy
>>> his new cars by himself. It has just worked out he always signs the
>>> papers. Doesn't bother me either way.
>>
>> Huh. I wondered about that. Not that I expect divorce or anything,
>> but I like the feeling of security that comes with having my name on
>> the title.
>
>It's really out of character for me, I have my own credit cards and have
>since I was in my early 20s when the banks were confused by that and
>wanted to know how much my husband made to approve me. Hell no.
>
>But I don't worry about the cars, if he leaves, he doesn't take them
>both. Equitable distribution and we had nothing when we got married.
>Not that he's going anywhere, he's insistent on sticking around. Soft
>in the head, I guess.
>
>nancy

Lol I remember those days well, it wasn't just car salesmen. One
night I answer the phone and a voice says he is calling from Sears and
may he speak to 'the head of the household' - so I hand the phone to
David and it's all about insurance and I hear David say to him, 'my
wife handles all that sort of thing and I think you have just dashed
all your chances with talk of head of the household' - we had a good
laugh.

It's taken a long time but I think we are past that ridiculous
attitude finally for the most part.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 19:02:53 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-08-26 6:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/26/2017 3:05 PM, Ding - Dong Daddy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Remember when we were kids and "new car time" rolled around every
>>> fall, it was almost as thrilling as Christmas or any other fun
>>> holiday.* Now younger folk regard vehicles as "appliances", like a
>>> microwave or toaster oven.* They are thrilled by new phones and social
>>> media, not new cars so much...
>>>
>>
>> The car dealers would have the windows blocked during the changeover too.
>>
>> From a block away I could tell if a Chevy was 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59,
>> etc.* Now you pot a few model years together and it is hard enough to
>> tell the Toyota from the Mazda let alone a 2010 from a 2015.
>>
>> I'd love to have a '58 Impala with the chassis, running gear and
>> technology of today.
>
>Back in the 60s I used to gauge a job prospect by the time it would take
>me to save up and buy an XKE, despite the fact that with my height, I
>would need a shoehorn to get in one.
>Marriage, kids and house renos converted me to station wagons, and now SUVs.
>Graham

You're kidding... my 1962 Biscayne had more seating room than any 2017
pick up truck (I still hate bucket seats), and its trunk had nearly
the capaciy of a P/U. Its 409 4 speed stick guzzled gas but then gas
was cheap.
http://www.superchevy.com/features/s...hevy-biscayne/

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 21:48:51 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 8/26/2017 7:56 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 8/26/2017 6:57 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 8/26/2017 5:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I always loathed car shopping so when we each had our own car, I'd
>>>> pick out what I wanted and he would go buy it. I don't have a
>>>> great excuse except dealers used to talk down to me or insist I
>>>> wanted an automatic, so aggravating.
>>
>>> I've run into that situation, as you well know. Stop showing me
>>> automatics! I told you I want a manual transmission, why are you
>>> wasting my time?!
>>
>> They don't believe you.

They don't have stick on the lot and none of their sales people know
how to drive one.

>The question is why don't they believe? Do they honestly think we're
>too stupid to know exactly what we want? Sorry, but why are you showing
>me mini-vans when I asked for a small sedan? Idiots. That's the
>fastest way to get me to go to a different dealership.
>
>> When Ron went to buy my last Honda, he told the salesman it was
>> for his wife. Great!! We have an automatic here on the lot!
>> He laughed, if I come home with an automatic, she'll kill me.
>>
>> nancy
>
>When I want an automatic transmission I'll let them know. (smile)
>
>Jill

In article >,
says...

> People might be getting soft but the post war generations had it easy.
Back then, a working guy and his wife could save up to buy a house

Back then "Saving up" meant years living below your income, eating
very frugally, never buying anything on credit, walking to save the bus
fare, and forgoing any kind of "luxury" such as new clothes, convenience
food etc. Nobody needed to buy a gym membership to stay thin and fit.

These days, young people "can't save" because it's their human right to
indulge themselves with make-up, music, the latest fashion, tattoos, go
to the gym, get their hair dyed and cut at a salon, own a phone and
computer, update to a better phone, go to concerts, booze all night, etc
etc and pay for it all on a credit card.

> and then maybe they could raise a family and buy a new car every year.
My generation could work part-time and could pay for their own college
tuition. After college, I could work at some low paying job and pay for
rent and food. Things have changed. The kids are going to have a hard
time paying for the $1100+ rent for a dumpy apartment around here. We
just moved my son into an apartment next to his school.
It's $850/month. Jeese, what a hell-hole!

Students in my day cheerfully expected to live in dumps which
didn't have carpets, a fridge, freezer, washing machine, phone, TV,
microwave, wifi, central heating. Naturally, we did expect to share a
bedroom with one of the other occupants and the only and unheated
bathroom with ALL the other occupants.

Janet UK

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> My car isn't used very often now, but I very reluctant to get rid of it.
> I suppose the day will come ...

Just make sure that you really want to get rid of it because if you decide
that you want a car after all, the choice is all the electronic stuff on
newer cars.

Cheri

"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...

> My current car is automatic. All the rest have been manual drive. Once I
> was used to it I love it)

I drove stick shifts for years and years, but I would never give up the
automatic now,

Cheri

On 8/27/2017 5:10 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Nancy Young"Â* wrote

> I've turned over the color choice, for some reason he always wants
> a black car anymore.Â* But it will have 4 doors, and 6 cylinders.
> That tends to come with the toys I like, too.Â* He doesn't get his
> two doors and I, regrettably, don't get my stick shift.Â* I had my
> way on that for years so it's his choice now.

> You are so generous ... I hope he realises just how lucky he is <g>

Oh, I am spoiled rotten. Don't worry about that. He wants a
black car, that I'm not going fight, not like I hate them. The
only thing that I really wish was different is the transmission,
and I got my way for years and years.

I can't complain.

nancy

On 8/27/2017 5:50 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1"Â* wrote in message

> This is a relatively new phenomenon that I've noticed. I've also see people
> driving on the right side of the road. Sometimes they cross the lines or
> drive into the shoulder. I always say "texting!" It's a fun little game we
> play. At least they ain't drunk?
>
> ==
>
> That is illegal here.Â* You are not even allowed to do it when you are
> stopped at traffic lights

It's illegal to drive distracted, and specifically to text, but
that seems to stop no one.

nancy

On 8/27/2017 5:46 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Nancy Young"Â* wrote in message ...
>
> On 8/26/2017 6:57 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 8/26/2017 5:03 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>
>>> I always loathed car shopping so when we each had our own car, I'd
>>> pick out what I wanted and he would go buy it.Â* I don't have a
>>> great excuse except dealers used to talk down to me or insist I
>>> wanted an automatic, so aggravating.
>
>> I've run into that situation, as you well know.Â* Stop showing me
>> automatics!Â* I told you I want a manual transmission, why are you
>> wasting my time?!
>
> They don't believe you.
>
> When Ron went to buy my last Honda, he told the salesman it was
> for his wife.Â* Great!!Â* We have an automatic here on the lot!
> He laughed, if I come home with an automatic, she'll kill me.
>
> nancy
>
> ==
>
> My current car is automatic.Â* All the rest have been manual drive.Â* Once
> I was used to it I love it)
>
>
>
The stick shift is fading away for a few reasons. Years ago automatic
got less fuel mileage, especially in small cars. Now the auto can get
better mpg. The auto used to have poor performance, known as a slush
box. No more. Cost is another factor as the auto can be built cheaper
now compared to years ago.

I like to drive a stick once in a while, but not for my daily driver. I
quickly get tired of holding a clutch in when in stop & go traffic.
With my car, I don't even have to hold the brake at a stop, the Auto
Hold does it for me.

If it is good enough for these guys, it is good enough for me.
http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...nsmission.html

Auto News Why Lamborghini Trashed the Manual Transmission
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Why Lamborghini Trashed the Manual Transmission

By Colum Wood Mar 07, 2014 47
Why Lamborghini Trashed the Manual Transmission

When Ferrari made the move to drop its iconic gated stick shift the
Italian automaker boasted that its transmission technology had become so
impressive that shifting your own gears was, at best, antiquated and at
worst, robbing the car of its performance.

With the launch of the new Huracán and retirement of its Gallardo model,
rival Lamborghini has now also sold its last stick shift. Their reason:
no one cares.