"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message
9.44...
> Our old car was ten years old, and althogh it wasn' giving us any
> trouble, we decded it was time we bought a new car before we were too
> old to drive. :-)
>
> We picked up the new car yesterday and we're very happy with the
> choice we made. However it could take me the next ten years to
> configure all the options/features..
>
> We picked a color that I've seldom seen on the road. We have had
> white, burgundy, red, green, silver, dark graphite gray, and yellow,
> and we don't like blue. The new color is Kona Brown Metallic.

Enjoy!

Cheri

On 8/23/2017 2:41 PM, wrote:
> yeah, enjoy
>
> i also bought a new car, a month ago, and the number of new options are almost
> ridiculous
>
> i spend half my evenings reading through the manual[s] trying to figure things out; i think i'm a candidate for a Class in operating this vehicle
>
> marc
>

Many dealerships have people to help. Some will even send someone to
your house to go over all the features.

I happen to like all the overpriced goodies. I can sit at my computer
to find a place I want to go to and send it to my car so it will be in
the navigation when I want to use it.

If all you do it go to the market once a week all you need is basic
transportation. If you do some traveling, the goodies are nice to have.

On 2017-08-23, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

> .....so it will be in the navigation when I want to use it.

You don't know where you want to go?

nb

On 2017-08-23 3:14 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/23/2017 2:41 PM, wrote:
>
>
> Many dealerships have people to help.Â* Some will even send someone to
> your house to go over all the features.

One would hope. They are sometimes disappointing. When I was car
shopping a few years ago tried out a recent model used SUV. I asked the
salesman how to turn it on. He didn't know. Either that or it was broken
and he didn't want me to know that. When I picked up my new motorcycle
about two months ago the salesman could not answer any of my questions
and kept saying it is in the manual. He didn't know when the first oil
change was supposed to be but a secretary walking buy said it was 1000
km. It turned out to be 1500 km. Another salesman congratulated me on
the choice and said it was a great bike and had such a good engine the
valve clearance didn't need to be checked until 48,000 km. It turns out
it has to be checked at 24,000 km.

I got a letter from the dealership telling me I would be getting a
survey from the manufacturer and if I couldn't give them 100% on every
category to call them and see what they could do to fix it. Sorry, but
that's not how it works. They wanted to know how well I was treated at
the time, and the best I rated them was a medium. Everything else was
poor or unsatisfactory.


> I happen to like all the overpriced goodies.Â* I can sit at my computer
> to find a place I want to go to and send it to my car so it will be in
> the navigation when I want to use it.
My brother had someone at the dealership show him how to use the GPS,
but he never used it much and can't figure it out now.

>
> If all you do it go to the market once a week all you need is basic
> transportation.Â* If you do some traveling, the goodies are nice to have.

About 20 years ago my cousin's husband gave me a ride from Whistler to
Vancouver in his new car. The guy has a high powered job and one of his
perks is a new car every 5000 km. By the time he figures out all the
toys it's time for new car. He doesn't even keep them long enough to
have to take them for their first oil change.

On 8/23/2017 3:22 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-08-23, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> .....so it will be in the navigation when I want to use it.
>
> You don't know where you want to go?
>
> nb
>

Well a few times I have been told where I can go but the navigation does
not handle that particular location.

Last week I was looking for clock repair. Found one on a Google search
in a town about an hour from here. I sent the address to the car and
tomorrow we will be going there.

On 2017-08-23 4:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/23/2017 3:22 PM, notbob wrote:

> Well a few times I have been told where I can go but the navigation does
> not handle that particular location.

;-)


> Last week I was looking for clock repair.Â* Found one on a Google search
> in a town about an hour from here.Â* I sent the address to the car and
> tomorrow we will be going there.

My GPS cannot handle the directions to my gun club and apparently it is
a problem with other GPS units. It is near the end of a country
concession road, about 5 miles west of a major regional road, but my
Garmin doen't like to get there that way. It directs you about a mile
further south, on the regional road, then west 4 miles on another
regional road, back north for a mile and then west for a mile. The last
mile is not paved. If I try the direct road it will keep telling me to
go back, or, as I go further west, to take a cross road south. It just
refuses to acknowledge the existence of that four mile stretch of road.

On 8/23/2017 6:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-08-23 4:05 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/23/2017 3:22 PM, notbob wrote:
>
>> Well a few times I have been told where I can go but the navigation
>> does not handle that particular location.
>
> ;-)
>
>
>> Last week I was looking for clock repair.Â* Found one on a Google
>> search in a town about an hour from here.Â* I sent the address to the
>> car and tomorrow we will be going there.
>
> My GPS cannot handle the directions to my gun club and apparently it is
> a problem with other GPS units. It is near the end of a country
> concession road, about 5 miles west of a major regional road, but my
> Garmin doen't like to get there that way. It directs you about a mile
> further south, on the regional road, then west 4 miles on another
> regional road, back northÂ* for a mile and then west for a mile. The last
> mile is not paved.Â* If I try the direct road it will keep telling me to
> go back, or, as I go further west, to take a cross road south. It just
> refuses to acknowledge the existence of that four mile stretch of road.
>
>
>
Navigation does have some quirks. I got around well using maps for
decades, but it is much nice to type in an address and push the start
button. I still look at maps to get a general idea of where I should be.

With a little high school geography, knowing the interstate highways
system and reading signs I can get to any major city in the country.
When you get there and want to find 39 Backend Street, the nav is really
nice to have.

On 8/23/2017 3:22 PM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-08-23, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> .....so it will be in the navigation when I want to use it.
>
> You don't know where you want to go?
>
> nb
>
Just beam me there fer cryin' out loud.

Jill

On 8/23/2017 7:10 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Wed 23 Aug 2017 12:14:12p, Ed Pawlowski told us...
>
>> On 8/23/2017 2:41 PM, wrote:
>>> yeah, enjoy
>
> Thanks, Marc!
>
>>> i also bought a new car, a month ago, and the number of new
>>> options are almost ridiculous
>
> Yes, it's amazing...
>
>>> i spend half my evenings reading through the manual[s] trying to
>>> figure things out; i think i'm a candidate for a Class in
>>> operating this vehicle
>
> That's exactly how I spent my evening!
>
>>> marc
>>>
>>
>> Many dealerships have people to help. Some will even send someone
>> to your house to go over all the features.
>
> We didn't pick up the car until late afternoon and didn't want to get
> caught up in rush hour, especially on the freeway in a car we'd never
> really driven. We're going back next week where to pick up an
> accessory we ordered and one of the technicians will go over
> everything in detail.
>

Probably better than trying to do it all when you pick it up. You will
figure out most of it in the next week and the tech can show you some of
the gems not so obvious. After a few weeks i went over the manual again
and found things missed or forgotten from the first go around.

Meantime, enjoy all the new features. Take a long day trip at least!

On 2017-08-23 6:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/23/2017 6:23 PM, Dave Smith wrote:

> Navigation does have some quirks.Â* I got around well using maps for
> decades, butÂ* it is much nice to type in an address and push the start
> button.Â* I still look at maps to get a general idea of where I should be.

I never used to have much trouble with maps. Having been taught map
reading was a big help, and having a good sense of direction helps. It
is still nice to have a GPS, despite their shortcomings.


I had a GPS glitch in San Francisco a couple years ago. I was about 10
miles from my destination when it told me to take the next exit, then
turn right, then right, and then right and then take the ramp to the
highway, putting me back on the same highway I had just exited from.
Then it told me to take the next exit. I ignored it and stayed in the
highway while the GPS recalculated the route and took us there.

It sure would have been handy later that evening when we went out for
supper. We turned right from the hotel and went about 15-20 blocks,
parked and found a restaurant where we had an incredible meal. I thought
we could just go around the block, take a left and go back to the hotel.
Nope.... no left turn there, and no left turns at the next few
intersections. I found myself at the last exit to the Golden Gate
Bridge, so I exited. When we had arrived at the hotel I had told my wife
to stick the GPS in the glove compartment. That was somehow interpreted
as telling her to take it up to the hotel room along with the map. We
drove around the Precidio for some time, totally lost, but then found
ourselves looking at the hotel. That was one time I really needed the GPS.




> With a little high school geography, knowing the interstate highways
> system and reading signs I can get to any major city in the country.
> When you get there and want to find 39 Backend Street, the nav is really
> nice to have.

Even if you have some idea of the directions, it is handy to have that
voice giving advance warning.

On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 2:14:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
....
> I happen to like all the overpriced goodies. I can sit at my computer
> to find a place I want to go to and send it to my car so it will be in
> the navigation when I want to use it.
....

My Nissan Leaf 100% electric has TOO MANY DAMNED BUTTONS! Anywhere I touch I'm likely to screw up my sound system! And the direction of motion switch is backwards, forward for reverse and back for forward! Dumbshits! :-( A number of other dumbshit extraneous buttons like directly below the sound level up and directly below the down button is the OFF button! I'll be driving trying to turn the sound down and my finger will slip and hit the mute/OFF button!! ****!

John Kuthe...

On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:53:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 2:14:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>...
>> I happen to like all the overpriced goodies. I can sit at my computer
>> to find a place I want to go to and send it to my car so it will be in
>> the navigation when I want to use it.
>...
>
>My Nissan Leaf 100% electric has TOO MANY DAMNED BUTTONS! Anywhere I touch I'm likely to screw up my sound system! And the direction of motion switch is backwards, forward for reverse and back for forward! Dumbshits! :-( A number of other dumbshit extraneous buttons like directly below the sound level up and directly below the down button is the OFF button! I'll be driving trying to turn the sound down and my finger will slip and hit the mute/OFF button!! ****!

But why did you buy that lemon then?

Am Donnerstag, 24. August 2017 00:22:37 UTC+2 schrieb Dave Smith:

> My GPS cannot handle the directions to my gun club and apparently it is
> a problem with other GPS units. It is near the end of a country
> concession road, about 5 miles west of a major regional road, but my
> Garmin doen't like to get there that way. It directs you about a mile
> further south, on the regional road, then west 4 miles on another
> regional road, back north for a mile and then west for a mile. The last
> mile is not paved. If I try the direct road it will keep telling me to
> go back, or, as I go further west, to take a cross road south. It just
> refuses to acknowledge the existence of that four mile stretch of road.

Is there a switch for private and/or toll roads on/off?
Maybe that's the problem.
Or the map software isn't up to date.

Bye, Sanne.

On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 21:53:33 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 2:14:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>...
>> I happen to like all the overpriced goodies. I can sit at my computer
>> to find a place I want to go to and send it to my car so it will be in
>> the navigation when I want to use it.
>...
>
>My Nissan Leaf 100% electric has TOO MANY DAMNED BUTTONS! Anywhere I touch I'm likely to screw up my sound system! And the direction of motion switch is backwards, forward for reverse and back for forward! Dumbshits! :-( A number of other dumbshit extraneous buttons like directly below the sound level up and directly below the down button is the OFF button! I'll be driving trying to turn the sound down and my finger will slip and hit the mute/OFF button!! ****!
>
>John Kuthe...

Is that the one they make in China?

On 8/24/2017 12:53 AM, John Kuthe wrote:

> ...
>
> My Nissan Leaf 100% electric has TOO MANY DAMNED BUTTONS! Anywhere I touch I'm likely to screw up my sound system! And the direction of motion switch is backwards, forward for reverse and back for forward! Dumbshits! :-( A number of other dumbshit extraneous buttons like directly below the sound level up and directly below the down button is the OFF button! I'll be driving trying to turn the sound down and my finger will slip and hit the mute/OFF button!! ****!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

By direction of motion switch do you mean what would be the shift lever
in a conventional car? Standard shift pattern is to pull the lever back
to the Drive gears and you move it forward to get into Reverse.

Shift patterns are regulated by law so there may not be a choice on yours.

On 2017-08-24 5:46 AM, sanne wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 24. August 2017 00:22:37 UTC+2 schrieb Dave Smith:
>
t
>> mile is not paved. If I try the direct road it will keep telling me to
>> go back, or, as I go further west, to take a cross road south. It just
>> refuses to acknowledge the existence of that four mile stretch of road.
>
> Is there a switch for private and/or toll roads on/off?
> Maybe that's the problem.
> Or the map software isn't up to date.


When it searches a route it will ask if I want to use a toll highway,
but there are no toll roads anywhere near this, and it is a public road.
It also warns of unpaved roads. The odd thing is that the range is on
the unpaved portion of the road and the GPS recognized that part of it
but does not acknowledge the the paved portion.


They are amazing devices but sometimes do odd things. I was once headed
to a Christening at a church in the north end of Toronto. I set my
destination for an intersection near the church and was given an ETA of
11:55, so about an hour and a half driving time from here. Traffic was
light that day and I was doing at least 10 kph over the speed limit
until I got to the highway and then I was doing about 20 kph over the
limit most of the way. About half way there the GPS recalculated the
ETA. Considering I was travelling at 10-20 over the speed limit I
expected it to back up the ETA by 10-15 minutes. On the contrary. It
added 4 minutes, making my ETA 11:59, and that was the exact time when
I arrived at noted intersection.

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 3:33:54 AM UTC-10, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-08-24 5:46 AM, sanne wrote:
> > Am Donnerstag, 24. August 2017 00:22:37 UTC+2 schrieb Dave Smith:
> >
> t
> >> mile is not paved. If I try the direct road it will keep telling me to
> >> go back, or, as I go further west, to take a cross road south. It just
> >> refuses to acknowledge the existence of that four mile stretch of road..
> >
> > Is there a switch for private and/or toll roads on/off?
> > Maybe that's the problem.
> > Or the map software isn't up to date.
>
>
> When it searches a route it will ask if I want to use a toll highway,
> but there are no toll roads anywhere near this, and it is a public road.
> It also warns of unpaved roads. The odd thing is that the range is on
> the unpaved portion of the road and the GPS recognized that part of it
> but does not acknowledge the the paved portion.
>
>
> They are amazing devices but sometimes do odd things. I was once headed
> to a Christening at a church in the north end of Toronto. I set my
> destination for an intersection near the church and was given an ETA of
> 11:55, so about an hour and a half driving time from here. Traffic was
> light that day and I was doing at least 10 kph over the speed limit
> until I got to the highway and then I was doing about 20 kph over the
> limit most of the way. About half way there the GPS recalculated the
> ETA. Considering I was travelling at 10-20 over the speed limit I
> expected it to back up the ETA by 10-15 minutes. On the contrary. It
> added 4 minutes, making my ETA 11:59, and that was the exact time when
> I arrived at noted intersection.

Some programs receive real time information on the traffic flow because it's tracking cars over the roads. That's very useful data. Google maps does that.

My guess is that you'll probably notice an increase in traffic on side roads because GPS devices will calculate the best route possible. I used to have a secret route to Costco that went down a most horrible lane. These days, everybody is going down that road and I go the long way because it's probably faster. That's the lane this guy is walking down before it was "discovered."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6RPTboE_eI

On 8/23/2017 10:53 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 2:14:17 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> ...
>> I happen to like all the overpriced goodies. I can sit at my computer
>> to find a place I want to go to and send it to my car so it will be in
>> the navigation when I want to use it.
> ...
>
> My Nissan Leaf 100% electric has TOO MANY DAMNED BUTTONS! Anywhere I touch I'm likely to screw up my sound system! And the direction of motion switch is backwards, forward for reverse and back for forward! Dumbshits! :-( A number of other dumbshit extraneous buttons like directly below the sound level up and directly below the down button is the OFF button! I'll be driving trying to turn the sound down and my finger will slip and hit the mute/OFF button!! ****!
>
> John Kuthe...
>

The Chavy Bolt has over 100 miles more range you know.

On 2017-08-24 1:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:

> Some programs receive real time information on the traffic flow because >it's tracking cars over the roads. That's very useful data. Google maps >does that.

There are units available that account for traffic flow, but mine is
not. In this case, the GPS had calculated the travel time when we
started off. As I pointed out, I was exceeding the speed limit ,so I
would have expected the recalculation to come up with an earlier ETA.
It did the opposite.




> My guess is that you'll probably notice an increase in traffic on side >roads because GPS devices will calculate the best route possible.

I don't know about that. I find that they often send me out of the way
to take major routes or to avoid extra turns. When I head to Toronto or
Hamilton I would normally go straight west for three miles, turn north
for about 12 miles and hit the QEW. Alternately, I can take the first
right, go north 1 km, stop, go another 50 m, hang a left and a quick
right to get me to a regional road. My GPS sends me the other way,
expecting me to go 1/2 east and take straighter route with fewer stops,
but adding a mile to the distance travelled.

On 2017-08-24 12:51 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 24 Aug 2017 10:58:55a, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> On 2017-08-24 1:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> Some programs receive real time information on the traffic flow
>>> because >it's tracking cars over the roads. That's very useful
>>> data. Google maps >does that.
>>
>> There are units available that account for traffic flow, but mine
>> is not. In this case, the GPS had calculated the travel time when
>> we started off. As I pointed out, I was exceeding the speed limit
>> ,so I would have expected the recalculation to come up with an
>> earlier ETA. It did the opposite.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> My guess is that you'll probably notice an increase in traffic on
>>> side >roads because GPS devices will calculate the best route
>>> possible.
>>
>> I don't know about that. I find that they often send me out of the
>> way to take major routes or to avoid extra turns. When I head to
>> Toronto or Hamilton I would normally go straight west for three
>> miles, turn north for about 12 miles and hit the QEW. Alternately,
>> I can take the first right, go north 1 km, stop, go another 50 m,
>> hang a left and a quick right to get me to a regional road. My
>> GPS sends me the other way, expecting me to go 1/2 east and take
>> straighter route with fewer stops, but adding a mile to the
>> distance travelled.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I haven't actualaly tried the GPS in the new yet as we've just been
> driving on local streets/routes that we take all the time.
>
> We've had a TomTom GPS for at least 6 years. It has lifetime updates
> which occur monthly. I like the various choices it offers as far as
> avoiding freeways, specifying rather insignificant roads, etc. The
> GPS in the Honda has fee updates for the first 5 years. I have been
> interested in watching it trace even the minor turns that I make,
> although there is no route programmed.
>
My Mazda CX-5 came with a 6 month subscription to Sirius XM radio
(satellite) but I did not renew it. Out of hundreds of stations, only
one devoted to classical music and even there, the programs were repeated.
Graham

On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>
> i do like the voice activated thing;
> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>
> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>
> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful

We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me
about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
beep.

It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
train on tracks.

Perhaps it would be more useful on a highway, though if you're
drifting there, you might want to take the next exit and find
some coffee.

nancy

On 8/24/2017 3:00 PM, graham wrote:

>>
> My Mazda CX-5 came with a 6 month subscription to Sirius XM radio
> (satellite) but I did not renew it. Out of hundreds of stations, only
> one devoted to classical music and even there, the programs were repeated.
> Graham

They used to have a Pops station until a couple of years ago. I love
having music with no commercials. I flip between 6 stations some days
depending on my mood.. We were out this morning for about 4 hours and
just the 50's station is all we listened to. I can program 50
favorites into the memory and get a notice if they play on any station.

On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>
>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>
>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>
>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>
> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
> beep.
>
> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
> train on tracks.
>
> Perhaps it would be more useful on a highway, though if you're
> drifting there, you might want to take the next exit and find
> some coffee.
>
> nancy

If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering wheel so
you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display. It
will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of steering
on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off
the steering wheel more than 30 seconds.

On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>
>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>
>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>
>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>
>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>> beep.
>>
>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>> train on tracks.

> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts.Â* It has a haptic steering wheel so
> you feel it, silently.Â* You also see it in the heads up display.Â*Â*Â* It
> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â* While capable of steering
> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off
> the steering wheel more than 30 seconds.

I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
short of hitting someone for me.

If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.

nancy

"Nancy Young" > wrote in message
...
> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>
>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>
>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>
>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me
>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>> beep.
>>>
>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>>> train on tracks.
>
>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering wheel so
>> you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display.   It
>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of steering
>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off the
>> steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>
> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
> short of hitting someone for me.
>
> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>
> nancy
>

I don't want any of it, that's why I hope my Toyota Tacoma truck lasts as
long as my driving years do. It has everything I need, a radio, a CD player,
a cassette player, and cruise control for the fancy add on. ;-) It still has
less than 30,000 miles on it and bought new in 2004, so hopefully it does.

Cheri

On 2017-08-24, Nancy Young > wrote:

> I see where all this technology is leading.....

It's leading to more n' more features so car companies can charge more
n' more $$$$!! Electric wing mirrors!? Internet ready!? More n'
more event recorders!?

The avg price for a car is now about $33K-USD. You can buy a house
fer less! 8|

nb

On 8/24/2017 3:04 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>>
>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>>
>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>>
>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me
>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>>> beep.
>>>>
>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>>>> train on tracks.
>>
>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering wheel
>>> so you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up display.Â
>>>   It will also nudge the wheel if you go too far. While capable of
>>> steering on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take
>>> hands off the steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>>
>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
>> to have my car monitoring me.* I guess I'll be happy when it stops
>> short of hitting someone for me.
>>
>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
>> stay engaged.* Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>>
>> nancy
>>
>
> I don't want any of it, that's why I hope my Toyota Tacoma truck lasts
> as long as my driving years do. It has everything I need, a radio, a CD
> player, a cassette player, and cruise control for the fancy add on. ;-)
> It still has less than 30,000 miles on it and bought new in 2004, so
> hopefully it does.
>
> Cheri
>
>
Ooooh....those are really nice trucks, and your mileage is so low.

It'll outlive you is my guess.

They're routinely good to 200K miles and more with a rebuild.

On 2017-08-24 1:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>
>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>
>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>
>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>
> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
> beep.
>
> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
> train on tracks.
>
> Perhaps it would be more useful on a highway, though if you're
> drifting there, you might want to take the next exit and find
> some coffee.
>
> nancy
On my CX5, the lane drift signal is like the noise from a rumble strip
and it comes out of the left or right speakers depending on one's drift.
I found it a nuisance on a trip to BC so turned it off.
Blind-spot monitoring and cross-traffic alert are very useful. Adaptive
cruise control and collision alert are also on my car.
Graham

On 2017-08-24 3:17 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 24 Aug 2017 02:04:04p, Cheri told us...
>
>> "Nancy Young" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>>>
>>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on. Took me
>>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>>>> beep.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a train
>>>>> on tracks.
>>>
>>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts. It has a haptic steering
>>>> wheel so you feel it, silently. You also see it in the heads up
>>>> display.   It will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â
>>>> While capable of steering on a road with painted lines, it will
>>>> disengage of you take hands off the steering wheel more than 30
>>>> seconds.
>>>
>>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't
>>> care to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it
>>> stops short of hitting someone for me.
>>>
>>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want
>>> it to stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ...
>>> sound asleep.
>>>
>>> nancy
>>>
>>
>> I don't want any of it, that's why I hope my Toyota Tacoma truck
>> lasts as long as my driving years do. It has everything I need, a
>> radio, a CD player, a cassette player, and cruise control for the
>> fancy add on. ;-) It still has less than 30,000 miles on it and
>> bought new in 2004, so hopefully it does.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>>
>>
>
> We had about 80,000 miles on our old car and still in perfect shape.
> We simply wanted to buy a new car to enjoy for the foreseeable
> future.
>
In my case the Highlander was 15 years old but with a very low mileage.
My son had a truck for his business and my d-i-l was pregnant with
twins. So I gave her the SUV and treated myself to a new one.
Graham

On 2017-08-24 2:51 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Thu 24 Aug 2017 10:58:55a, Dave Smith told us...
>
>> On 2017-08-24 1:29 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>
>>> Some programs receive real time information on the traffic flow
>>> because >it's tracking cars over the roads. That's very useful
>>> data. Google maps >does that.
>>
>> There are units available that account for traffic flow, but mine
>> is not. In this case, the GPS had calculated the travel time when
>> we started off. As I pointed out, I was exceeding the speed limit
>> ,so I would have expected the recalculation to come up with an
>> earlier ETA. It did the opposite.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> My guess is that you'll probably notice an increase in traffic on
>>> side >roads because GPS devices will calculate the best route
>>> possible.
>>
>> I don't know about that. I find that they often send me out of the
>> way to take major routes or to avoid extra turns. When I head to
>> Toronto or Hamilton I would normally go straight west for three
>> miles, turn north for about 12 miles and hit the QEW. Alternately,
>> I can take the first right, go north 1 km, stop, go another 50 m,
>> hang a left and a quick right to get me to a regional road. My
>> GPS sends me the other way, expecting me to go 1/2 east and take
>> straighter route with fewer stops, but adding a mile to the
>> distance travelled.
>>
>>
>>
>
> I haven't actualaly tried the GPS in the new yet as we've just been
> driving on local streets/routes that we take all the time.

When I first got my GPS systems I used to use them a lot. I have lived
in the Niagara Peninsula for 50 years and had jobs that put me on the
road most of the time travelling throughout the region and beyond. I
know the region like the back of my hand. I don't really need it around
here, but it is always interesting to compare my routes with the routes
the GPS maps out for me. When I get into larger cities they are handy.
I get a lot of instructions to turn back.




> We've had a TomTom GPS for at least 6 years. It has lifetime updates
> which occur monthly. I like the various choices it offers as far as
> avoiding freeways, specifying rather insignificant roads, etc. The
> GPS in the Honda has fee updates for the first 5 years. I have been
> interested in watching it trace even the minor turns that I make,
> although there is no route programmed.

I prefer a portable GPS because I am guessing they are cheaper to
replace than the factory installed are to repair. I have to wonder about
updating. I have found that initial downloads and updates take hours.

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:15:35 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
>
> The avg price for a car is now about $33K-USD. You can buy a house
> fer less! 8|
>
> nb
>
>
Where can you buy a house for less than $33,000? I mean a house
that is turn-key.

On 2017-08-24 3:33 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 8/24/2017 3:00 PM, graham wrote:
>
>>>
>> My Mazda CX-5 came with a 6 month subscription to Sirius XM radio
>> (satellite) but I did not renew it. Out of hundreds of stations, only
>> one devoted to classical music and even there, the programs were
>> repeated.
>> Graham
>
> They used to have a Pops station until a couple of years ago.Â* I love
> having music with no commercials.Â* I flip between 6 stations some days
> depending on my mood..Â* We were out this morning for about 4 hours and
> just the 50's station is all we listened to.Â*Â* I can program 50
> favorites into the memory and get a notice if they play on any station.

My only experience with satellite radio is in rental cars. I can't say
that I was impressed. My CRV has an auxiliary input jack and a USB port.
I use the USB most of the time. I have a couple USB memory sticks with
music and one loaded with comedy pod casts.

On 8/24/2017 6:22 PM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-08-24 1:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>> train on tracks.

> On my CX5, the lane drift signal is like the noise from a rumble strip
> and it comes out of the left or right speakers depending on one's drift.
> I found it a nuisance on a trip to BC so turned it off.

I didn't find it to be helpful at all. Amazingly, I've driven many
miles over a lot of years and never needed such a thing.

> Blind-spot monitoring and cross-traffic alert are very useful. Adaptive
> cruise control and collision alert are also on my car.

I'm accustomed to the backup camera but I like the side backup
warnings on the new car. That I could have used a lot when
tall square SUVs clogged every parking lot.

I never use cruise control but the adaptive feature has to be
much more useful. Traffic speeds up and slows continually but
I found cruise control to be useless because of that. It was
useful if I was driving up through Vermont or something. Not
around here.

I hope not to find out about collision warning any time soon, if
I was driving the new car lately it would have been going crazy.

nancy

On 8/24/2017 6:50 PM, wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:15:35 PM UTC-5, notbob wrote:
>>
>> The avg price for a car is now about $33K-USD. You can buy a house
>> fer less! 8|

> Where can you buy a house for less than $33,000? I mean a house
> that is turn-key.

Not around here, or most places, I imagine.

Cars cost more these days but they aren't a squeaking bucket of
bolts after 3 years anymore, either. I can't compare my current
cars to anything I had when they were a few thousand.

nancy

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:25:29 -0600, graham > wrote:

>On 2017-08-24 3:17 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>> On Thu 24 Aug 2017 02:04:04p, Cheri told us...
>>

>
>>>
>>
>> We had about 80,000 miles on our old car and still in perfect shape.
>> We simply wanted to buy a new car to enjoy for the foreseeable
>> future.
>>
>In my case the Highlander was 15 years old but with a very low mileage.
>My son had a truck for his business and my d-i-l was pregnant with
>twins. So I gave her the SUV and treated myself to a new one.
>Graham

Hey, how are those twins? Must be getting to the terrible stage now

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> > On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
> >>>
> >>> i do like the voice activated thing;
> >>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
> >>>
> >>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
> >>>
> >>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
> >>
> >> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
> >> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
> >> beep.
> >>
> >> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
> >> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
> >> train on tracks.
>
> > If mine beeped it would rive me nuts.Â* It has a haptic steering wheel so
> > you feel it, silently.Â* You also see it in the heads up display.Â*Â*Â* It
> > will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â* While capable of steering
> > on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off
> > the steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>
> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
> short of hitting someone for me.
>
> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>
> nancy

In a short while we're all going to be taken to where we want to go by robot cars. People in the future will find it hard to believe that we had control over such a dangerous conveyance and that we found the number of people killed/maimed/scarred every year to be an acceptable risk.

On 2017-08-24 5:44 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 16:25:29 -0600, graham > wrote:
>
>> On 2017-08-24 3:17 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
>>> On Thu 24 Aug 2017 02:04:04p, Cheri told us...
>>>
>
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> We had about 80,000 miles on our old car and still in perfect shape.
>>> We simply wanted to buy a new car to enjoy for the foreseeable
>>> future.
>>>
>> In my case the Highlander was 15 years old but with a very low mileage.
>> My son had a truck for his business and my d-i-l was pregnant with
>> twins. So I gave her the SUV and treated myself to a new one.
>> Graham
>
> Hey, how are those twins? Must be getting to the terrible stage now
>
>
Fit as fiddles and absorbing language like sponges:-)
Are you with .telus.ca now?

On 8/24/2017 6:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
>>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
>>>>>
>>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
>>>>>
>>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
>>>>
>>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
>>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
>>>> beep.
>>>>
>>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
>>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
>>>> train on tracks.
>>
>>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts.Â* It has a haptic steering wheel so
>>> you feel it, silently.Â* You also see it in the heads up display.Â*Â*Â* It
>>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â* While capable of steering
>>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off
>>> the steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
>>
>> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
>> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
>> short of hitting someone for me.
>>
>> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
>> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
>>
>> nancy
>
> In a short while we're all going to be taken to where we want to go by robot cars. People in the future will find it hard to believe that we had control over such a dangerous conveyance and that we found the number of people killed/maimed/scarred every year to be an acceptable risk.
>


A "Minority Report" future does not make me sanguine.

"Wayne Boatwright" > wrote in message

> We had about 80,000 miles on our old car and still in perfect shape.
> We simply wanted to buy a new car to enjoy for the foreseeable
> future.

It's not that I would mind a new car, just wouldn't be able to buy one
without all of the other stuff now.

Cheri

On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 4:43:20 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 8/24/2017 6:23 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 24, 2017 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-10, Nancy Young wrote:
> >> On 8/24/2017 3:59 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >>> On 8/24/2017 3:27 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> >>>> On 8/24/2017 1:48 PM, wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i do like the voice activated thing;
> >>>>> it's nice with radio stations, and GPS
> >>>>>
> >>>>> i got a toasted walnut color, with almond interior, happy me
> >>>>>
> >>>>> looking into the lane drift assist thing; sounds helpful
> >>>>
> >>>> We test drove one model and lane drift was turned on.Â* Took me
> >>>> about 30 seconds to say You can turn that off, right? beep beep
> >>>> beep.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's not that I'm weaving, it's that as the road curves, I
> >>>> lean into it a bit, not drive perfectly centered like a
> >>>> train on tracks.
> >>
> >>> If mine beeped it would rive me nuts.Â* It has a haptic steering wheel so
> >>> you feel it, silently.Â* You also see it in the heads up display.Â*Â*Â* It
> >>> will also nudge the wheel if you go too far.Â* While capable of steering
> >>> on a road with painted lines, it will disengage of you take hands off
> >>> the steering wheel more than 30 seconds.
> >>
> >> I see where all this technology is leading, but I really don't care
> >> to have my car monitoring me. I guess I'll be happy when it stops
> >> short of hitting someone for me.
> >>
> >> If someone takes their hands off the wheel for that long, i want it to
> >> stay engaged. Like that guy driving a Tesla to work ... sound asleep.
> >>
> >> nancy
> >
> > In a short while we're all going to be taken to where we want to go by robot cars. People in the future will find it hard to believe that we had control over such a dangerous conveyance and that we found the number of people killed/maimed/scarred every year to be an acceptable risk.
> >
>
>
> A "Minority Report" future does not make me sanguine.

It'll be a different world where everybody is monitored. That would not be our major problem, however. What's troublesome is machines getting too smart for our good. A few seconds after a machine becomes aware of itself, it will have recognized what it has to do to ensure it's survival. The first rule of business is that it has to conceal itself from the humans i.e., act dumb.

In a few years, maybe tomorrow, AI researchers will get a creepy feeling that they have indeed created a new lifeform. It's going to scare them. The only question is will that be enough?