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On 9/1/2017 7:47 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:32:27 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
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>> On 8/31/2017 12:01 PM,
wrote:
>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:32:32 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/31/2017 7:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Gary will be by saying my paint job sucks:
>>>>>
>>>>> My only comment will be about the color that you chose...a dark
>>>>> color.
>>>>>
>>>>> A tank holding volatile fuel (diesel fuel) should be painted a
>>>>> very light color like white. This will reflect the sun and heat
>>>>> and keep it cooler. I would not be happy with a fuel tank painted
>>>>> dark where it gets so hot that "you could literally fry an egg on
>>>>> that tank." Think, Sheldon.
>>>>>
>>>> Copper IS reflective dude, you think!
>>>>
>>>> And it's a darned sight more attractive than Rustoleum silver.
>>>
>>> That was my thinking... I didn't feel like seeing a giant roll of
>>> Reynolds Wrap glaring back at me. I bought two quart cans, one gave a
>>> good first coat. I used a cheap throw away brush. I'll get to the
>>> second coat before winter. I liked the hammered copper best. Here's
>>> the color chart for Rustoleum Hammered:
>>>
http://www.rustoleum.com/product-cat...rust/hammered/
>>>

>>
>> So I do like their hammered silver, much nicer than the old style spray
>> paint.
>>
>> And like they say - it covers scratches and dings well.
>>
>> But that copper is just darned eye-catching.

>
> They make the hammered paint in spray cans too.


Saw it at Lowes today - have a project in mind, tnx...


> I wasn't sure about the copper but figured it would be no biggie to
> paint over it but I love it. I can see now why they recommend two
> coats, the factory black still shows through in spots. One plus is
> even though I used a 25¢ throw away brush after it dried there were no
> brush marks.


I may upgrade my old smoker, screw flat black.

But I need to get a temp reading on the metal box 1st, then see if it works.
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On 9/1/2017 10:36 AM, wrote:
> On Fri, 01 Sep 2017 12:22:06 -0300,
wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 01 Sep 2017 09:40:22 -0400,
wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 14:29:03 -0700 (PDT), "
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 31, 2017 at 11:59:14 AM UTC-5, Sheldon wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2017 21:30:46 -0700 (PDT), "
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The bulb has not burned out in the 10 years it's been up but
>>>>>> I have had to replace electronic eye twice. They're readily
>>>>>> available at Lowe's but for some reason Home Depot does not
>>>>>> stock them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends what kind... an LED fixture can last more than 15 years...
>>>>> some of the older gas filled bulbs are no longer made. The LED models
>>>>> will save the price of the fixture in electricity within the first few
>>>>> months. so when they finally die you'd be so far ahead it'd be no big
>>>>> deal to buy a new fixture. Mine is an LED, the electronic eye turns
>>>>> it on at dusk and off at dawn. I have the 70 Watt model, emits
>>>>> tremendous light:
>>>>>
http://www.superiorlighting.com/70_W...101caal068.htm
>>>>>
>>>> I *think* mine is a sodium vapor, but don't quote me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something to know about LED lighting, the fixture must be wired with
>>>>> the proper polarity or there will be problems, could be why your
>>>>> sensor isn't lasting. I had an electrician mount all my LED fixtures,
>>>>> I've had no problems.... in the end it costs less to have electrical
>>>>> work done correctly. The electrician I use is licensed and is a
>>>>> Master Electrician. His rates are very fair, he charged $70 to
>>>>> install that fixture, included all the wiring and installation... I
>>>>> don't think I'd want to climb up there for $70 (about 30'). I don't
>>>>> like those kind of heights.
>>>>>
>>>> When I had my present fixture installed it was when I was having a
>>>> an addition built onto the back of my house. It was a licensed
>>>> electrician that did all the wiring plus he wired this outdoor
>>>> light.
>>>
>>> The sodium vapor bulbs emit a pale bluish light.
>>> LEDs emit a white light or warm pale yellow light.
>>> I like the light from sodium vapor bulbs but they are now difficult to
>>> find.

>>
>> That's so wrong, LEDs come in all sorts of tones now - in the store
>> near me, they have a display so you can see the effects.

>
> You're refering to screw-in bulbs for indoor use, not outdoor
> fixtures.
>

Price is right on these:

http://www.bulbs.com/High_Pressure_S...y/results.aspx

Plusrite 400W Clear ET18 High Pressure Sodium Bulb
SKU: 2048 | Ordering Code: LU400/ET18/ECO | UPC: 844366020483

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On 9/1/2017 8:06 PM, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 9/1/2017 7:47 AM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:32:27 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/31/2017 12:01 PM,
wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:32:32 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/31/2017 7:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary will be by saying my paint job sucks:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My only comment will be about the color that you chose...a dark
>>>>>> color.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A tank holding volatile fuel (diesel fuel) should be painted a
>>>>>> very light color like white. This will reflect the sun and heat
>>>>>> and keep it cooler. I would not be happy with a fuel tank painted
>>>>>> dark where it gets so hot that "you could literally fry an egg on
>>>>>> that tank."Â* Think, Sheldon.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Copper IS reflective dude, you think!
>>>>>
>>>>> And it's a darned sight more attractive than Rustoleum silver.
>>>>
>>>> That was my thinking... I didn't feel like seeing a giant roll of
>>>> Reynolds Wrap glaring back at me.Â* I bought two quart cans, one gave a
>>>> good first coat.Â* I used a cheap throw away brush.Â*Â* I'll get to the
>>>> second coat before winter.Â* I liked the hammered copper best.Â* Here's
>>>> the color chart for Rustoleum Hammered:
>>>>
http://www.rustoleum.com/product-cat...rust/hammered/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> So I do like their hammered silver, much nicer than the old style spray
>>> paint.
>>>
>>> And like they say - it covers scratches and dings well.
>>>
>>> But that copper is just darned eye-catching.

>>
>> They make the hammered paint in spray cans too.

>
> Saw it at Lowes today - have a project in mind, tnx...
>
>
>> I wasn't sure about the copper but figured it would be no biggie to
>> paint over it but I love it.Â* I can see now why they recommend two
>> coats, the factory black still shows through in spots.Â* One plus is
>> even though I used a 25¢ throw away brush after it dried there were no
>> brush marks.

>
> I may upgrade my old smoker, screw flat black.
>
> But I need to get a temp reading on the metal box 1st, then see if it
> works.


The paint is good for 200 degrees. I never measured the outside
surface, but if the smoker is 250 to 300 inside, I imagine the outside
is exceeding 200.
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On 9/1/2017 6:35 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/1/2017 8:06 PM, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 9/1/2017 7:47 AM, wrote:
>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:32:27 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/31/2017 12:01 PM,
wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:32:32 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 7:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary will be by saying my paint job sucks:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My only comment will be about the color that you chose...a dark
>>>>>>> color.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A tank holding volatile fuel (diesel fuel) should be painted a
>>>>>>> very light color like white. This will reflect the sun and heat
>>>>>>> and keep it cooler. I would not be happy with a fuel tank painted
>>>>>>> dark where it gets so hot that "you could literally fry an egg on
>>>>>>> that tank."Â* Think, Sheldon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Copper IS reflective dude, you think!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it's a darned sight more attractive than Rustoleum silver.
>>>>>
>>>>> That was my thinking... I didn't feel like seeing a giant roll of
>>>>> Reynolds Wrap glaring back at me.Â* I bought two quart cans, one gave a
>>>>> good first coat.Â* I used a cheap throw away brush.Â*Â* I'll get to the
>>>>> second coat before winter.Â* I liked the hammered copper best.Â* Here's
>>>>> the color chart for Rustoleum Hammered:
>>>>>
http://www.rustoleum.com/product-cat...rust/hammered/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I do like their hammered silver, much nicer than the old style spray
>>>> paint.
>>>>
>>>> And like they say - it covers scratches and dings well.
>>>>
>>>> But that copper is just darned eye-catching.
>>>
>>> They make the hammered paint in spray cans too.

>>
>> Saw it at Lowes today - have a project in mind, tnx...
>>
>>
>>> I wasn't sure about the copper but figured it would be no biggie to
>>> paint over it but I love it.Â* I can see now why they recommend two
>>> coats, the factory black still shows through in spots.Â* One plus is
>>> even though I used a 25¢ throw away brush after it dried there were no
>>> brush marks.

>>
>> I may upgrade my old smoker, screw flat black.
>>
>> But I need to get a temp reading on the metal box 1st, then see if it
>> works.

>
> The paint is good for 200 degrees.Â* I never measured the outside
> surface, but if the smoker is 250 to 300 inside, I imagine the outside
> is exceeding 200.


Thanks Ed, this one is insulated, so I do not recall it ever getting
that hot, but I'll use the instant read on it and see.

That flat black paint just looks drab to me.


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On 9/1/2017 9:09 PM, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 9/1/2017 6:35 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On 9/1/2017 8:06 PM, Casa de Masa wrote:
>>> On 9/1/2017 7:47 AM, wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:32:27 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/31/2017 12:01 PM,
wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:32:32 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 7:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gary will be by saying my paint job sucks:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My only comment will be about the color that you chose...a dark
>>>>>>>> color.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A tank holding volatile fuel (diesel fuel) should be painted a
>>>>>>>> very light color like white. This will reflect the sun and heat
>>>>>>>> and keep it cooler. I would not be happy with a fuel tank painted
>>>>>>>> dark where it gets so hot that "you could literally fry an egg on
>>>>>>>> that tank."Â* Think, Sheldon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Copper IS reflective dude, you think!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it's a darned sight more attractive than Rustoleum silver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That was my thinking... I didn't feel like seeing a giant roll of
>>>>>> Reynolds Wrap glaring back at me.Â* I bought two quart cans, one
>>>>>> gave a
>>>>>> good first coat.Â* I used a cheap throw away brush.Â*Â* I'll get to the
>>>>>> second coat before winter.Â* I liked the hammered copper best.Â* Here's
>>>>>> the color chart for Rustoleum Hammered:
>>>>>>
http://www.rustoleum.com/product-cat...rust/hammered/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So I do like their hammered silver, much nicer than the old style
>>>>> spray
>>>>> paint.
>>>>>
>>>>> And like they say - it covers scratches and dings well.
>>>>>
>>>>> But that copper is just darned eye-catching.
>>>>
>>>> They make the hammered paint in spray cans too.
>>>
>>> Saw it at Lowes today - have a project in mind, tnx...
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wasn't sure about the copper but figured it would be no biggie to
>>>> paint over it but I love it.Â* I can see now why they recommend two
>>>> coats, the factory black still shows through in spots.Â* One plus is
>>>> even though I used a 25¢ throw away brush after it dried there were no
>>>> brush marks.
>>>
>>> I may upgrade my old smoker, screw flat black.
>>>
>>> But I need to get a temp reading on the metal box 1st, then see if it
>>> works.

>>
>> The paint is good for 200 degrees.Â* I never measured the outside
>> surface, but if the smoker is 250 to 300 inside, I imagine the outside
>> is exceeding 200.

>
> Thanks Ed, this one is insulated, so I do not recall it ever getting
> that hot, but I'll use the instant read on it and see.
>
> That flat black paint just looks drab to me.
>
>


Insulated, I'd try it. Would look better than the black.


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> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 22:53:04 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 00:45:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>>
> wrote in message
m...
>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>Gary wrote:
>>>>>>> Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's just hard for me to come up with designs that a
>>>>>>>> boy might like.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If he is over age 12, pics of naked women will be a hit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wild animal pics are good, random art designs with nice
>>>>>>> colors will be a hit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PS - your baby hot weather where you live did NOT make your rock
>>>>>>> picture chip off. Someone hit it and damaged it. Your mild hot
>>>>>>> weather would "bake on" the finish. No hot weather would make
>>>>>>> your rock picture chip off. Probably punk kids in your
>>>>>>> neighborhood doing that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nope. Nobody hit it. They were all sitting in a box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most likely, your husband or daughter chipped that rock while you
>>>>>>> were sleeping all day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nope. There were a couple of days that were so hot that when I tried
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>paint, the paint dried immediately! I couldn't even do a marble
>>>>>>finish.
>>>>>>Dried that fast.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't you own a patio umbrella... I painted my 275 gallon diesel tank
>>>>> two days ago, I set up a tarp to shade the tank. Before I set up the
>>>>> tarp you could literally fry an egg on that tank, with the tarp it
>>>>> quickly became cool to the touch.
>>>>> I think it turned out pretty nice, from factory black to Rustoleum's
>>>>> new metalic copper:
>>>>> https://postimg.org/image/fiqmnqxud/
>>>>> https://postimg.org/image/4zv8cbkk5/
>>>>> Gary will be by saying my paint job sucks:
>>>>> https://postimg.org/image/mefgklhp1/
>>>>> The dwarf will be by saying my nice barn light is something
>>>>> unprintable, no, it won't fit up the dwarf's butt:
>>>>> https://postimg.org/image/6t36xrc2d/
>>>>> My dawn redwood, I planted it 15 years ago and it's now more than 15'
>>>>> tall, was time to remove the deer fence. I discovered a Norway spruce
>>>>> had sprouted next to the trunk, about 2' tall. Looked too nice to
>>>>> destroy but not a good place for it. So asked around and my wife's
>>>>> girlfriend who is a bee keeper wanted it. So she tooled over in her
>>>>> new Beemer with a shovel. But no, her shovel was too teeny so I
>>>>> started to dig it up with my manly shovel and whoa... YELLOW JACKETS!
>>>>> I told the girls to get lost... my wife had already gotten stung six
>>>>> times and she is allergic, had to go to her doc for meds. Anyway I
>>>>> waited for those nasty stingers to calm down and hooked up my cart to
>>>>> the small tractor and took a chance, the ground was wet and I was able
>>>>> to dig that tree up easily. I got stung once on top of my left hand,
>>>>> burned but after a day I was fine. Anyway Janet got her tree and was
>>>>> happy, I'm sure I'll soon be soothed with wonderful honey. Dawn
>>>>> Redwoods are prehistoric conefirs. I keep thinking I need to plant a
>>>>> model of T Rex next to that tree.
>>>>> https://postimg.org/image/9pq7y1hw5/
>>>>
>>>>I own a half umbrella that sits in front of the sliding door. Does seem
>>>>to
>>>>block the sun a teensy bit from getting in the window but doesn't do a
>>>>think
>>>>in terms of cooling except perhaps as the sun is setting.
>>>>
>>>>The rocks were not on the deck though but outside by the garage. We used
>>>>acrylics, nail polish and sealed with spray on Mod Podge.
>>>
>>> I'd have found a shady spot, like under a tree, or *inside* the
>>> garage.

>>
>>No room inside the garage. I use the term garage loosely. It does have a
>>big
>>door that goes up and down. It's not big enough to hold a car. Maybe a
>>Smart
>>Car would fit. And it retains heat like an oven this time of year. Was out
>>painting again. It's chilly now but will get warm again and hotter still
>>as
>>the days go on.

>
> You could have easily set up a $10 tarp for shade... when done take it
> down, fold it up and put it away til next time. A tarp is a
> necessary, there will be lots of uses; when I had a load of top soil
> delivered I put a tarp over it as there was a heavy rain and I'd have
> lost a lot. Since your car won't fit in the garage you need a tarp
> for when a hail storm is forecast. Be a good Girl Scout, always be
> prepared.
>
> I've been watching all that Harvey news... ya know, 99% of those
> residenses would have suffered no water damage were they properly
> constructed for a low lying area... everyone living there knows an
> inch of rain will cause water damage... it doesn't cost much more to
> build on a raised foundation rather than directly on a slab... simply
> set the houses atop a few courses of cement blocks. I'm seeing a lot
> of fairly new construction, very pricey homes, all set directly on a
> fercocktah slab... these are not poor people but they certainly are
> pinheads... gotta be southern mentality! Even poor folks here who
> live in trailers set it on a raised c-ment block foundation built for
> cheap on the slab.... ce-ment blocks are cheap, and in the south there
> are lots of excellent masons who work for cheap... masonary is a
> Mexican specialty, they are very good at adobe.
> My house has a basement but even if it didn't it's still sits on on a
> foundation that's four feet above ground level... this area floods
> too. Even 200-300 year old houses here are on fieldstone foundations
> that are a few feet above ground level. Even livestock barns are set
> on raised foundations. People here even place a cheap Lowe's shed on
> a raised foundation.
> Even people in Central America who live near the sea where hurricanes
> are common build on majorly raised foundations... my wife is from
> Belize, she grew up in a house built maybe 500' from the sea. During
> hurricanes the sea water flows under the houses, they are built on
> driven pilings, the houses are some 12' above ground level... this is
> the house where my wife grew up, most houses there are built high:
> https://postimg.org/image/7fb37a6l1/


I do have several tarps. Not sure how I could put one up over where I was
sitting though.

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>I do have several tarps. Not sure how I could put one up over where I was
>sitting though.


Put one up where you can, and then sit your dumb ass there, DuhThough!
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On 9/1/2017 7:25 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/1/2017 9:09 PM, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 9/1/2017 6:35 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 9/1/2017 8:06 PM, Casa de Masa wrote:
>>>> On 9/1/2017 7:47 AM, wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 15:32:27 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 12:01 PM,
wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 08:32:32 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/31/2017 7:07 AM, Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Gary will be by saying my paint job sucks:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My only comment will be about the color that you chose...a dark
>>>>>>>>> color.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A tank holding volatile fuel (diesel fuel) should be painted a
>>>>>>>>> very light color like white. This will reflect the sun and heat
>>>>>>>>> and keep it cooler. I would not be happy with a fuel tank painted
>>>>>>>>> dark where it gets so hot that "you could literally fry an egg on
>>>>>>>>> that tank."Â* Think, Sheldon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Copper IS reflective dude, you think!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And it's a darned sight more attractive than Rustoleum silver.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That was my thinking... I didn't feel like seeing a giant roll of
>>>>>>> Reynolds Wrap glaring back at me.Â* I bought two quart cans, one
>>>>>>> gave a
>>>>>>> good first coat.Â* I used a cheap throw away brush.Â*Â* I'll get to the
>>>>>>> second coat before winter.Â* I liked the hammered copper best.
>>>>>>> Here's
>>>>>>> the color chart for Rustoleum Hammered:
>>>>>>>
http://www.rustoleum.com/product-cat...rust/hammered/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I do like their hammered silver, much nicer than the old style
>>>>>> spray
>>>>>> paint.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And like they say - it covers scratches and dings well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But that copper is just darned eye-catching.
>>>>>
>>>>> They make the hammered paint in spray cans too.
>>>>
>>>> Saw it at Lowes today - have a project in mind, tnx...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't sure about the copper but figured it would be no biggie to
>>>>> paint over it but I love it.Â* I can see now why they recommend two
>>>>> coats, the factory black still shows through in spots.Â* One plus is
>>>>> even though I used a 25¢ throw away brush after it dried there were no
>>>>> brush marks.
>>>>
>>>> I may upgrade my old smoker, screw flat black.
>>>>
>>>> But I need to get a temp reading on the metal box 1st, then see if
>>>> it works.
>>>
>>> The paint is good for 200 degrees.Â* I never measured the outside
>>> surface, but if the smoker is 250 to 300 inside, I imagine the
>>> outside is exceeding 200.

>>
>> Thanks Ed, this one is insulated, so I do not recall it ever getting
>> that hot, but I'll use the instant read on it and see.
>>
>> That flat black paint just looks drab to me.
>>
>>

>
> Insulated, I'd try it.Â* Would look better than the black.



Roger that.

Or...I could just sell it on and buy a Bradley!
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>>I do have several tarps. Not sure how I could put one up over where I was
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>
> Put one up where you can, and then sit your dumb ass there, DuhThough!


Put it up...how? Don't you need to attach it to something?

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