wrote:
>
> I don't think a Compare market would make it here, the people I've met
> are not into ethnic foods, they are very happy with TIAD Fast Food.

I like all food. TIAD Fast Food works for me too, occasionally.
heheh

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2017-09-02 9:00 AM, wrote:
>
> > I got my favorite juicer for free, my right hand.
> >
>
> Tell us something we didn't already know.

You can always switch to the left hand for some "strange."

On 2017-09-02 9:31 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 9/2/2017 9:23 AM, Gary wrote:

>> I walked out of that store for that very reason. If they had left
>> me alone, I probably would have spent some money there.
>
> That right there keeps me out of boutique shops where there's
> just you and a bored employee.Â* Now I'm reminded of a guy at
> a furniture store who Really wanted to help us find something.
> Okay, what he really wanted was a commission but he was relentless.
>
> Couldn't run out of there fast enough.

I don't know about the clerk being bored. They are expected to offer
assistance to shoppers. It can be a no win situation for them because
some shoppers expect assistance and will get miffed and walk out if no
one comes over to help them. Besides, some of those sales people are
working for commission and can miss out on that if someone else rings up
the sale.

I may be hard to please. I usually like to walk around and shop on my
own and without being hassled by sales clerks. Sometimes I am looking
for something specific and need help. If I don't get it I am likely to
walk out and try another store.

On 2017-09-02 9:37 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:

>> That was how many years ago... all citrus used to be a lot less
>> expensive even five years ago... in the last few years lemon trees
>> have been suffering a disease so the supply is lower, therefore prices
>> are higher. Plant disease is the primary reason for high priced
>> produce of all kinds. Plant diseases are more insidious than human
>> diseases... you can't ask a lemon tree where does it hurt... by the
>> time plant diseases are noticeable they're already of epic dimension,
>> and very often there is no cure. Just like animals go extinct so do
>> plants.
>
> Case in point. Google the American Chestnut tree. Check out the
> pics of how large they grew. A virus brought to this country in
> the NY zoo killed them all off. very sad.
>
>
> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic....ting-a-forest/
>


People whine about getting caught at the border with fruits and
vegetables that are not allowed, but there is good reason for it. We
used to have all sorts of elm trees here, but Dutch Elm disease
destroyed them. Every once in a while a new stand of elm trees will pop
up and seem to do well for 15-20 years, but then the Dutch elm disease
strikes and kills them all off in a matter of weeks. The problem
started when infected elm was used in crates coming from Asia over 100
years ago.

Asj borer weevils were native to China but some priest took some to
France and then they ended up here. I never realized how many ash trees
we had until I started to see all the dead branches in forests around
here. The province tried to make barriers by cutting down ash trees to
deny them the chance to feed, but that seems not to have worked.

On 2017-09-02 9:45 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-09-02 9:00 AM, wrote:
>>
>>> I got my favorite juicer for free, my right hand.
>>>
>>
>> Tell us something we didn't already know.
>
> You can always switch to the left hand for some "strange."
>

I will take your word for that.

On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 09:20:36 -0400, wrote:

>On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 03:28:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:16:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 9/1/2017 1:30 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Sep 2017 09:27:22 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I always get my lemons from Costco as I can't duplicate size or
>>>>>> quality elsewhere --
>>>>>
>>>>> Costco does have some impressive lemons. They are the thick-skinned
>>>>> nippled variety, and very juicy inside. Still not cheaper than the
>>>>> ones I get at the HEB per juice volume, but still very nice.
>>>>
>>>>BJ's has similar at a decent price, but they are 20 miles each way.
>>>
>>> The BJs lemons here are sold by weight, a 2 1/2 pound bag is $2.79,
>>> how many depends on lemon size but usually 7-9. I've never been
>>> disappointed in quality but occasionally I'll get a bag with very
>>> pitty lemons. BJs here is also about 20 miles each way but my wife is
>>> in that area a couple times a month so she does the BJs shopping, I
>>> think I've only been to BJs twice. The lemons in town cost 2/99¢ but
>>> are not as good as BJs.
>>
>>Lemons were super cheap when I lived in NY. Not sure why. I could get a
>>giant bag, about the size of a bed pillow for around $3.
>
>That was how many years ago... all citrus used to be a lot less
>expensive even five years ago... in the last few years lemon trees
>have been suffering a disease so the supply is lower, therefore prices
>are higher. Plant disease is the primary reason for high priced
>produce of all kinds. Plant diseases are more insidious than human
>diseases... you can't ask a lemon tree where does it hurt... by the
>time plant diseases are noticeable they're already of epic dimension,
>and very often there is no cure. Just like animals go extinct so do
>plants.

Produce in general is going to be more and more expensive. The cheap
labor that was once available is generally gone. Produce farmers are
saying their stuff is rotting in the fields. Many farmers are turning
to mechanized systems and we are going to have to pay for that
modernization.
Janet US

On 9/2/2017 10:29 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-09-02 9:31 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>> On 9/2/2017 9:23 AM, Gary wrote:
>
>>> I walked out of that store for that very reason. If they had left
>>> me alone, I probably would have spent some money there.
>>
>> That right there keeps me out of boutique shops where there's
>> just you and a bored employee.Â* Now I'm reminded of a guy at
>> a furniture store who Really wanted to help us find something.
>> Okay, what he really wanted was a commission but he was relentless.
>>
>> Couldn't run out of there fast enough.
>
> I don't know about the clerk being bored. They are expected to offer
> assistance to shoppers.Â* It can be a no winÂ* situation for them because
> some shoppers expect assistance and will get miffed and walk out if no
> one comes over to help them.

That's easy. Can I help you? No thank you. Okay. I'm not put
off by that at all.

Still was kind of strange all the help offers at Whole Foods. I
wasn't annoyed or tempted to leave because of it. Not as if they
followed me around.

> Besides, some of those sales people are
> working for commission and can miss out on that if someone else rings up
> the sale.

Again, I always go back to the person who asked, I get that they take
turns with customers, especially in furniture stores.

> I may be hard to please. I usually like to walk around and shop on my
> own and without being hassled by sales clerks. Sometimes I am looking
> for something specific and need help. If I don't get it I am likely to
> walk out and try another store.

Unless I'm in Costco, I expect to be able to find someone to ask if I
need something. Happens more often in the big hardware stores, you
could grow old trying to find some specific thing. I try to look it up
beforehand and note the bin number, but sometimes I'm not sure of
exactly what I need and I want someone around I can ask.

nancy

On 9/2/2017 7:43 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-09-02 9:00 AM, wrote:
>
>> Â*I got my favorite juicer for free, my right hand.
>>
>
>
> Tell us something we didn't already know.
>

Better check to see if he froze it 1st...

(pithy comment)

;-)

On 2017-09-02 10:53 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 9/2/2017 10:29 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>
>> I may be hard to please. I usually like to walk around and shop on my
>> own and without being hassled by sales clerks. Sometimes I am looking
>> for something specific and need help. If I don't get it I am likely to
>> walk out and try another store.
>
> Unless I'm in Costco, I expect to be able to find someone to ask if I
> need something.Â* Happens more often in the big hardware stores, you
> could grow old trying to find some specific thing.Â* I try to look it up
> beforehand and note the bin number, but sometimes I'm not sure of
> exactly what I need and I want someone around I can ask.

In some of the larger stores it is hard enough to find a clerk to help
you, and finding someone who actually knows about the products is darned
near impossible. Some of the Canadian Tire stores are really bad. One
time I was looking for .22 rifle and asked the woman at the sporting
goods counter to show me one. She handed me a shotgun, and when I said
no, the .22 rifle she asked what was the difference. At another CT store
I went to the auto parts counter and asked for an inner tube, told him
the size of the tire and explained that it was for my lawn tractor
wagon, and he asked "What's an inner tube?".

There are a few good hardware stores where I prefer to shop instead of
the larger stores with better prices. They are more likely to have what
I want and they can give me good advice. My new go to hardware is in a
small town about 10 miles down the road. They have not branched out into
patio furniture, cookware, toys etc like most of the larger stores, but
they have everything hardware.... hand tools, power tools, nuts, bolts,
nails, rope, straps, electrical. The don't have a lot of lighting
fixtures, but they have all the rest of the wiring needs. As soon as I
walk in the door they offer help, but then they leave me alone.

I also frequent a great store in St.Catharines. They have all sorts of
good quality outdoors equipment, gear and clothing. There is usually
someone standing by the door to offer help as soon as you enter, and
they are very helpful. I went in the other day with my wife. We were
both looking for things. One woman helped me right away and I got a nice
pair of hiking shoes. While she was helping me and another woman helped
me wife. We walked out of the store about 15 minutes later and between
us had spent more than $250. There were still clerks there to help
anyone else who was looking for something.

On 9/2/2017 10:53 AM, Nancy Young wrote:

>
> That's easy.Â* Can I help you?Â* No thank you.Â* Okay.Â* I'm not put
> off by that at all.
>
> Still was kind of strange all the help offers at Whole Foods.Â* I
> wasn't annoyed or tempted to leave because of it.Â* Not as if they
> followed me around.
>
>> Besides, some of those sales people are working for commission and can
>> miss out on that if someone else rings up the sale.
>
> Again, I always go back to the person who asked, I get that they take
> turns with customers, especially in furniture stores.
>
>> I may be hard to please. I usually like to walk around and shop on my
>> own and without being hassled by sales clerks. Sometimes I am looking
>> for something specific and need help. If I don't get it I am likely to
>> walk out and try another store.

Step 1 for the store is to greet you. It has been show that stores that
greet the customer see less shop lifting that stores that pay no
attention as you walk in.

Sometimes the store people are a help. One Friday I was in the
supermarket kind of gazing around. One of the ladies asked if she could
help me find something. I said "yes, an idea for dinner tomorrow" She
suggested ordering out. I did!


>
> Unless I'm in Costco, I expect to be able to find someone to ask if I
> need something.Â* Happens more often in the big hardware stores, you
> could grow old trying to find some specific thing.Â* I try to look it up
> beforehand and note the bin number, but sometimes I'm not sure of
> exactly what I need and I want someone around I can ask.
>
> nancy
>
>
I have the Lowes app on my phone. I often know what I want but not sure
of where it is. I look it up and get the location. Saves time.

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 09:31:15 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 9/2/2017 9:23 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>
>>> It's funny you say that, we were in Whole Foods yesterday and were a
>>> bit startled by random employees asking us if we needed help with
>>> anything or otherwise greeting us.
>>
>>
>> Years ago, I walked into a clothing store in the mall. Person
>> constantly came back to me asking if I needed any help. If I
>> paused to look at something specific, he was right there trying
>> to convince me to buy it.
>>
>> I walked out of that store for that very reason. If they had left
>> me alone, I probably would have spent some money there.
>
>That right there keeps me out of boutique shops where there's
>just you and a bored employee. Now I'm reminded of a guy at
>a furniture store who Really wanted to help us find something.
>Okay, what he really wanted was a commission but he was relentless.
>
>Couldn't run out of there fast enough.
>
>nancy

All sales people who are paid a commission do that... enter a auto
dealership and they can't meet you at the door fast enough. They see
you drive up and have already priced your car for a trade-in before
you're fully parked.

On 9/2/2017 10:07 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> Did anybody else just shiver reading that?
>
> -sw

Choke to death on it, you fat *******.

And lay off the gays, you insensitive jerkwad.


Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor
Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food:

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>
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Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
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I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

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On 9/2/2017 10:10 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> And now that produce is going to have to pay for the infamous wall.
>
> -sw

Choke to death on it, you fat *******.

And lay off the gays, you insensitive jerkwad.


Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor
Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food:

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>
3/18/2011 3:49 PM
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Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles.

-sw
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away.
There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo.

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On 9/2/2017 10:10 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
> And now that produce is going to have to pay for the infamous wall.
>
> -sw

"Infamous"?

You have a problem with a secure border, fat boy?

I hope some illegal mows you down driving drunk!

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 10:53:46 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 9/2/2017 10:29 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-09-02 9:31 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
>>> On 9/2/2017 9:23 AM, Gary wrote:
>>
>>>> I walked out of that store for that very reason. If they had left
>>>> me alone, I probably would have spent some money there.
>>>
>>> That right there keeps me out of boutique shops where there's
>>> just you and a bored employee.* Now I'm reminded of a guy at
>>> a furniture store who Really wanted to help us find something.
>>> Okay, what he really wanted was a commission but he was relentless.
>>>
>>> Couldn't run out of there fast enough.
>>
>> I don't know about the clerk being bored. They are expected to offer
>> assistance to shoppers.* It can be a no win* situation for them because
>> some shoppers expect assistance and will get miffed and walk out if no
>> one comes over to help them.
>
>That's easy. Can I help you? No thank you. Okay. I'm not put
>off by that at all.
>
>Still was kind of strange all the help offers at Whole Foods. I
>wasn't annoyed or tempted to leave because of it. Not as if they
>followed me around.
>
>> Besides, some of those sales people are
>> working for commission and can miss out on that if someone else rings up
>> the sale.
>
>Again, I always go back to the person who asked, I get that they take
>turns with customers, especially in furniture stores.
>
>> I may be hard to please. I usually like to walk around and shop on my
>> own and without being hassled by sales clerks. Sometimes I am looking
>> for something specific and need help. If I don't get it I am likely to
>> walk out and try another store.
>
>Unless I'm in Costco, I expect to be able to find someone to ask if I
>need something. Happens more often in the big hardware stores, you
>could grow old trying to find some specific thing. I try to look it up
>beforehand and note the bin number, but sometimes I'm not sure of
>exactly what I need and I want someone around I can ask.
>
>nancy

I can see offering help at a clothing, furniture, hardware store, but
not a grocery store... I've never had anyone offer to help at a
grocery store, sometimes it's me asking where to find something.

On 9/2/2017 12:07 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 09:31:15 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> That right there keeps me out of boutique shops where there's
>> just you and a bored employee. Now I'm reminded of a guy at
>> a furniture store who Really wanted to help us find something.
>> Okay, what he really wanted was a commission but he was relentless.
>>
>> Couldn't run out of there fast enough.

> All sales people who are paid a commission do that...

Well, I do shop for furniture where people don't aggressively follow
me around. They usually just say Hi can I help you my name is.

> enter a auto
> dealership and they can't meet you at the door fast enough. They see
> you drive up and have already priced your car for a trade-in before
> you're fully parked.

I haven't tried wandering around a parking lot looking at cars for
sale in a very long time, I know what I want before going to the
dealership. I remember it being like that years ago. I'd go looking
on Sunday when they were closed.

nancy

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 11:10:22 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 08:48:38 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> Produce in general is going to be more and more expensive. The cheap
>> labor that was once available is generally gone. Produce farmers are
>> saying their stuff is rotting in the fields. Many farmers are turning
>> to mechanized systems and we are going to have to pay for that
>> modernization.
>
>And now that produce is going to have to pay for the infamous wall.
>
>-sw

Well, Harvey recovery makes that more difficult but since we are
removing the government employee's scheduled pay increase of 1.9%,
that should help put some money in the Wall coffers.
Janet US

On 9/2/2017 12:14 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 10:53:46 -0400, Nancy Young
> > wrote:

>> Unless I'm in Costco, I expect to be able to find someone to ask if I
>> need something. Happens more often in the big hardware stores, you
>> could grow old trying to find some specific thing.

> I can see offering help at a clothing, furniture, hardware store, but
> not a grocery store... I've never had anyone offer to help at a
> grocery store, sometimes it's me asking where to find something.

Yeah, I was just looking at the produce, I didn't think I looked
lost, why anyone thought I'd need help. Clearly they are under
orders to start offering aid and greetings. Hope they stop soon.

nancy

On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 09:37:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>> >Lemons were super cheap when I lived in NY. Not sure why. I could get a
>> >giant bag, about the size of a bed pillow for around $3.
>>
>> That was how many years ago... all citrus used to be a lot less
>> expensive even five years ago... in the last few years lemon trees
>> have been suffering a disease so the supply is lower, therefore prices
>> are higher. Plant disease is the primary reason for high priced
>> produce of all kinds. Plant diseases are more insidious than human
>> diseases... you can't ask a lemon tree where does it hurt... by the
>> time plant diseases are noticeable they're already of epic dimension,
>> and very often there is no cure. Just like animals go extinct so do
>> plants.
>
>Case in point. Google the American Chestnut tree. Check out the
>pics of how large they grew. A virus brought to this country in
>the NY zoo killed them all off. very sad.
>
>http://phenomena.nationalgeographic....ting-a-forest/

I planted a flowering chestnut but carpenter ants ate it intil it was
hollow and just fell over, a hollow tube.

Same with the American elm tree... Sycamore trees too.
But there are new improved versions of elm trees
I planted one of each a few years ago and both are doing very well:
http://www.cirrusimage.com/tree_accolade_elm.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulmus_americana_'Princeton'
Now instead of American sycamore people are planting the London
planetree, a version of sycamore, I planted two 15 years ago, they are
about 20' tall now... eventually they will be massive... they are not
for small spaces.
https://www.arborday.org/trees/treeG...cfm?ItemID=904
http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.o...empercode=a892
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platan...%97_acerifolia
I have pictures of my trees and have already posted them but no one
here cared so I won't bother posting them again.

wrote in message ...

On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 09:37:25 -0400, Gary > wrote:

wrote:
>>
>> "Julie Bove" wrote:
>> >Lemons were super cheap when I lived in NY. Not sure why. I could get a
>> >giant bag, about the size of a bed pillow for around $3.
>>
>> That was how many years ago... all citrus used to be a lot less
>> expensive even five years ago... in the last few years lemon trees
>> have been suffering a disease so the supply is lower, therefore prices
>> are higher. Plant disease is the primary reason for high priced
>> produce of all kinds. Plant diseases are more insidious than human
>> diseases... you can't ask a lemon tree where does it hurt... by the
>> time plant diseases are noticeable they're already of epic dimension,
>> and very often there is no cure. Just like animals go extinct so do
>> plants.
>
>Case in point. Google the American Chestnut tree. Check out the
>pics of how large they grew. A virus brought to this country in
>the NY zoo killed them all off. very sad.
>
>http://phenomena.nationalgeographic....ting-a-forest/

I planted a flowering chestnut but carpenter ants ate it intil it was
hollow and just fell over, a hollow tube.

Same with the American elm tree... Sycamore trees too.
But there are new improved versions of elm trees
I planted one of each a few years ago and both are doing very well:
http://www.cirrusimage.com/tree_accolade_elm.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulmus_americana_'Princeton'
Now instead of American sycamore people are planting the London
planetree, a version of sycamore, I planted two 15 years ago, they are
about 20' tall now... eventually they will be massive... they are not
for small spaces.
https://www.arborday.org/trees/treeG...cfm?ItemID=904
http://www.missouribotanicalgarden.o...empercode=a892
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platan...%97_acerifolia
I have pictures of my trees and have already posted them but no one
here cared so I won't bother posting them again.

==

I don't remember but I always enjoy the pics of your land.




--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

In article >,
says...
>
> On 2017-09-02 9:31 AM, Nancy Young wrote:
> > On 9/2/2017 9:23 AM, Gary wrote:
>
> >> I walked out of that store for that very reason. If they had left
> >> me alone, I probably would have spent some money there.
> >
> > That right there keeps me out of boutique shops where there's
> > just you and a bored employee.* Now I'm reminded of a guy at
> > a furniture store who Really wanted to help us find something.
> > Okay, what he really wanted was a commission but he was relentless.
> >
> > Couldn't run out of there fast enough.
>
> I don't know about the clerk being bored. They are expected to offer
> assistance to shoppers. It can be a no win situation for them because
> some shoppers expect assistance and will get miffed and walk out if no
> one comes over to help them. Besides, some of those sales people are
> working for commission and can miss out on that if someone else rings up
> the sale.
>
> I may be hard to please. I usually like to walk around and shop on my
> own and without being hassled by sales clerks. Sometimes I am looking
> for something specific and need help. If I don't get it I am likely to
> walk out and try another store.

In smkts and some stores here the staff are rigorously trained to
follow a help-script. If customers ask "Where is the X or Do you have Y
" they must be led to the item, the staff member should locate the goods
and hand it to the customer to look at then before they move on, say "Is
there anything else I can help you with today?". I have tried to short-
circuit this with "Just tell me where or yes/no" but they insist on the
whole performance because they darent be caught not following the
protocol; we might be being watched on the CCTV, or I might be a
"mystery shopper" (person paid to test them, to check customer service
standards).

Janet UK

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 18:20:18 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>
> In smkts and some stores here the staff are rigorously trained to
>follow a help-script. If customers ask "Where is the X or Do you have Y
>" they must be led to the item, the staff member should locate the goods
>and hand it to the customer to look at then before they move on, say "Is
>there anything else I can help you with today?". I have tried to short-
>circuit this with "Just tell me where or yes/no" but they insist on the
>whole performance because they darent be caught not following the
>protocol; we might be being watched on the CCTV, or I might be a
>"mystery shopper" (person paid to test them, to check customer service
>standards).
>
> Janet UK

same script here.
Janet US

On 9/2/2017 12:20 PM, Nancy Young wrote:
> On 9/2/2017 12:07 PM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 09:31:15 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>
>>> That right there keeps me out of boutique shops where there's
>>> just you and a bored employee.Â* Now I'm reminded of a guy at
>>> a furniture store who Really wanted to help us find something.
>>> Okay, what he really wanted was a commission but he was relentless.
>>>
>>> Couldn't run out of there fast enough.
>
>> All sales people who are paid a commission do that...
>
> Well, I do shop for furniture where people don't aggressively follow
> me around.Â* They usually just say Hi can I help you my name is.
>
>> enter a auto
>> dealership and they can't meet you at the door fast enough.Â* They see
>> you drive up and have already priced your car for a trade-in before
>> you're fully parked.
>
> I haven't tried wandering around a parking lot looking at cars for
> sale in a very long time, I know what I want before going to the
> dealership.Â* I remember it being like that years ago.Â* I'd go looking
> on Sunday when they were closed.
>
> nancy

Thanks to the internet we don't have to go looking so much on a Sunday.
Not only did I know what I wanted, I knew where the car was with the
options and color I wanted. Two cars ago I bought the previous two cars
from dealer A so I thought I'd try dealer B. Could not make a deal so I
went back to Dealer A and made the buy. Two days later I got a call and
better deal from B, but told him, sorry, too late, just picked up my new
car this afternoon.

On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 13:21:55 -0400, wrote:


>
>The food supply in the US isn't suffering at all by ousting the
>illegals, in fact just the opposite is true...

THAT is Patently UNtrue, and you OBVIOUSLY haven't seen the farmers
complaining about crops rotting in the fields because there are no
pickers left after so many went home, to Mexico or other places,
because of trump and his threats.

And that's NOT just in California, but quite a bit of the South.

On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 13:21:55 -0400, wrote:

>Businesses that are suffering without the illegals are businesses
>like golf courses, public parks, and amusment parks like Disneyland,
>Marineland, Busch Gardens and such.

MORE bullshit. Golf courses, maybe, but Disneyland and Busch
DO NOT hire illegals, because they WOULD get caught quickly there.



Geeze.

On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 3:38:35 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> wrote:
> >
> > "Julie Bove" wrote:
> > >Lemons were super cheap when I lived in NY. Not sure why. I could get a
> > >giant bag, about the size of a bed pillow for around $3.
> >
> > That was how many years ago... all citrus used to be a lot less
> > expensive even five years ago... in the last few years lemon trees
> > have been suffering a disease so the supply is lower, therefore prices
> > are higher. Plant disease is the primary reason for high priced
> > produce of all kinds. Plant diseases are more insidious than human
> > diseases... you can't ask a lemon tree where does it hurt... by the
> > time plant diseases are noticeable they're already of epic dimension,
> > and very often there is no cure. Just like animals go extinct so do
> > plants.
>
> Case in point. Google the American Chestnut tree. Check out the
> pics of how large they grew. A virus brought to this country in
> the NY zoo killed them all off. very sad.
>
>
> http://phenomena.nationalgeographic....ting-a-forest/

GMO? Sounds like a commie plot.

On 2017-09-02 1:21 PM, wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 08:48:38 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
> wrote:

>> Produce in general is going to be more and more expensive. The cheap
>> labor that was once available is generally gone. Produce farmers are
>> saying their stuff is rotting in the fields. Many farmers are turning
>> to mechanized systems and we are going to have to pay for that
>> modernization.
>> Janet US
>
> Most crops in the US are tended to from field prep, to planting, to
> harvest by mechanized means and now those machines travel the fields
> by GPS. It's only the very small farmers who relied on illegals. But
> now those small family farms are being bought up by the big combines,
> they got fair prices and they were becoming too old to do farming
> anyway, and their kids wanted nothing to do with the labors of farm
> work.

I live in a fruit belt and the farms make use of migrant farm workers.
Most of the farmers around here hire Mexicans and they use them from
Spring right through to November. Most of the weeding in the nursery
behind me used to done with a hoe, but now they run a tractor powered
rototiller up the rows and use hoes only between the trees. Fruit trees
used to be pruned with manual shears. Now they have air pneumatic
pruners on poles so they can stand on the ground and and prune a tree in
a couple minutes and don't have to get up on ladders. Sour cherries are
now harvested by wrapping them in a sort of tarp and shaking the trees
until all the fruit falls off.

"Gary" > wrote in message ...
> Julie Bove wrote:
>>
>> Lemons were super cheap when I lived in NY. Not sure why. I could get a
>> giant bag, about the size of a bed pillow for around $3.
>
> I will guess that you lived in NY circa 1910. :-|

Nope. About 14/15 years ago. The price of those and also bell peppers
shocked me. Super cheap!

> wrote in message
news
> On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 03:28:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 14:16:05 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 9/1/2017 1:30 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 01 Sep 2017 09:27:22 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I always get my lemons from Costco as I can't duplicate size or
>>>>>> quality elsewhere --
>>>>>
>>>>> Costco does have some impressive lemons. They are the thick-skinned
>>>>> nippled variety, and very juicy inside. Still not cheaper than the
>>>>> ones I get at the HEB per juice volume, but still very nice.
>>>>
>>>>BJ's has similar at a decent price, but they are 20 miles each way.
>>>
>>> The BJs lemons here are sold by weight, a 2 1/2 pound bag is $2.79,
>>> how many depends on lemon size but usually 7-9. I've never been
>>> disappointed in quality but occasionally I'll get a bag with very
>>> pitty lemons. BJs here is also about 20 miles each way but my wife is
>>> in that area a couple times a month so she does the BJs shopping, I
>>> think I've only been to BJs twice. The lemons in town cost 2/99¢ but
>>> are not as good as BJs.
>>
>>Lemons were super cheap when I lived in NY. Not sure why. I could get a
>>giant bag, about the size of a bed pillow for around $3.
>
> That was how many years ago... all citrus used to be a lot less
> expensive even five years ago... in the last few years lemon trees
> have been suffering a disease so the supply is lower, therefore prices
> are higher. Plant disease is the primary reason for high priced
> produce of all kinds. Plant diseases are more insidious than human
> diseases... you can't ask a lemon tree where does it hurt... by the
> time plant diseases are noticeable they're already of epic dimension,
> and very often there is no cure. Just like animals go extinct so do
> plants.

True but lemons are so expensive here, I rarely buy them.

Gary wrote:
>penmart wrote:
>>
>> I don't think a Compare market would make it here, the people I've met
>> are not into ethnic foods, they are very happy with TIAD Fast Food.
>
>I like all food. TIAD Fast Food works for me too, occasionally.
>heheh

Not me... I'd much rather occasionally eat junk food; chips. gummy
bears, twizzlers... why lie to myself... if I'm gonna admit to myself
I'm eating shit food I'm gonna eat real shit food and not eat fast
food and pretend it ain't shit.

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 12:20:39 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 9/2/2017 12:07 PM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 09:31:15 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>
>>> That right there keeps me out of boutique shops where there's
>>> just you and a bored employee. Now I'm reminded of a guy at
>>> a furniture store who Really wanted to help us find something.
>>> Okay, what he really wanted was a commission but he was relentless.
>>>
>>> Couldn't run out of there fast enough.
>
>> All sales people who are paid a commission do that...
>
>Well, I do shop for furniture where people don't aggressively follow
>me around. They usually just say Hi can I help you my name is.
>
>> enter a auto
>> dealership and they can't meet you at the door fast enough. They see
>> you drive up and have already priced your car for a trade-in before
>> you're fully parked.
>
>I haven't tried wandering around a parking lot looking at cars for
>sale in a very long time, I know what I want before going to the
>dealership. I remember it being like that years ago. I'd go looking
>on Sunday when they were closed.
>
>nancy

Back then I could tell the brand, year, and model... now I can't tell
one car from another... now I consider them all generic
transportation. I used to be able to recognize a Caddy instantly,
today I can't tell if it's a Caddy or a Nissan. My '91 Landcruiuser
is probably more unique looking than any car on the road... the new
ones look exactly the same only they cost quadruple the price.

On 9/2/2017 1:55 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 9/2/2017 12:20 PM, Nancy Young wrote:

>> I haven't tried wandering around a parking lot looking at cars for
>> sale in a very long time, I know what I want before going to the
>> dealership.Â* I remember it being like that years ago.Â* I'd go looking
>> on Sunday when they were closed.

> Thanks to the internet we don't have to go looking so much on a Sunday.
> Not only did I know what I wanted, I knew where the car was with the
> options and color I wanted.

Exactly. This time we bought a leftover at a great discount
and knew what models and colors were on the lot before heading
over.

> Two cars ago I bought the previous two cars
> from dealer A so I thought I'd try dealer B.Â* Could not make a deal so I
> went back to Dealer A and made the buy.Â* Two days later I got a call and
> better deal from B, but told him, sorry, too late, just picked up my new
> car this afternoon.

Their whole way of doing business has changed over the years. We can't
do the test drive online but we know what we can get it for and if
they've got 6 on the lot to get rid of. And the same thing about the
dealer in the next town. For starters.

nancy

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 11:10:22 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote:

>On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 08:48:38 -0600, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>
>> Produce in general is going to be more and more expensive. The cheap
>> labor that was once available is generally gone. Produce farmers are
>> saying their stuff is rotting in the fields. Many farmers are turning
>> to mechanized systems and we are going to have to pay for that
>> modernization.
>
>And now that produce is going to have to pay for the infamous wall.
>
>-sw

Nonsense, the US already has farming
mechanized/computerized/roboticsized... yoose overly Obeastie texass
beaners can go pound dirt.
From the news it's easy to see yoose obeastie texassans can't even
build a proper abode, yoose live at a far lower level than third world
countries... why yoose are all flooded. Only frigging IMBECILES live
on slabs on low lying land.... I have absolutely no pity for yoose
dumb texassans... better yoose all drown, there are alreaddy too many
idiots on this planet.

The Donald is only visiting 'cause he has to, for show, but yoose
better believe he's laughing his ass off at yoose ignoranus texaas
putzes for building expensive homes at sea level on stoopid ground
level slabs pretending like yoose are living on Noo Yawk State granite
bedrock hundreds and thousands of feet above sea level.... I have zero
sympathy. The Donald really can't do much to help yoose dumpkoffs...
he's not in control of the weather, none of us are. I suggest yoose
dimwits all buy a sturdy shovel and begin moving sand... may not help
much but hard labor is good therapy... from what I've seen on TV most
of yoose texassans are lazy fat bastids, yoose need the exercise. If
yoose texass building/zoning people has even one brain between all of
them they'd never isssue building permits for yoose death traps,
they'd insist yoose build 6, 8, 10 feet above ground level... but
naturally they're all bugle blowing, drum beating, flag waving
southerners, all stoopid shits! With this EASILY avoided disaster I'm
convinced, no one on this planet is more ignorant than a US
southerner. And they still don't get it... they all CHOSE to live in
texhell. . . . why the **** are the texass powers to be permitting
building in low areas on ground level slabs??? They all need to be
FIRED! If yoose keep voting for those dumb bastids yoose deserve to
drown!

On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 12:24:42 -0400, Nancy Young
> wrote:

>On 9/2/2017 12:14 PM, wrote:
>> On Sat, 2 Sep 2017 10:53:46 -0400, Nancy Young
>> > wrote:
>
>>> Unless I'm in Costco, I expect to be able to find someone to ask if I
>>> need something. Happens more often in the big hardware stores, you
>>> could grow old trying to find some specific thing.
>
>> I can see offering help at a clothing, furniture, hardware store, but
>> not a grocery store... I've never had anyone offer to help at a
>> grocery store, sometimes it's me asking where to find something.
>
>Yeah, I was just looking at the produce, I didn't think I looked
>lost, why anyone thought I'd need help. Clearly they are under
>orders to start offering aid and greetings. Hope they stop soon.
>
>nancy

Probably just approaching the good looking wimmen.

On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 21:00:39 -0400, wrote:

>Nonsense, the US already has farming
>mechanized/computerized/roboticsized... yoose overly Obeastie texass
>beaners can go pound dirt.
>From the news it's easy to see yoose obeastie texassans can't even
>build a proper abode, yoose live at a far lower level than third world
>countries... why yoose are all flooded. Only frigging IMBECILES live
>on slabs on low lying land.... I have absolutely no pity for yoose
>dumb texassans... better yoose all drown, there are alreaddy too many
>idiots on this planet.
>
>The Donald is only visiting 'cause he has to, for show, but yoose
>better believe he's laughing his ass off at yoose ignoranus texaas
>putzes for building expensive homes at sea level on stoopid ground
>level slabs pretending like yoose are living on Noo Yawk State granite
>bedrock hundreds and thousands of feet above sea level.... I have zero
>sympathy. The Donald really can't do much to help yoose dumpkoffs...
>he's not in control of the weather, none of us are. I suggest yoose
>dimwits all buy a sturdy shovel and begin moving sand... may not help
>much but hard labor is good therapy... from what I've seen on TV most
>of yoose texassans are lazy fat bastids, yoose need the exercise. If
>yoose texass building/zoning people has even one brain between all of
>them they'd never isssue building permits for yoose death traps,
>they'd insist yoose build 6, 8, 10 feet above ground level... but
>naturally they're all bugle blowing, drum beating, flag waving
>southerners, all stoopid shits! With this EASILY avoided disaster I'm
>convinced, no one on this planet is more ignorant than a US
>southerner. And they still don't get it... they all CHOSE to live in
>texhell. . . . why the **** are the texass powers to be permitting
>building in low areas on ground level slabs??? They all need to be
>FIRED! If yoose keep voting for those dumb bastids yoose deserve to
>drown!

Drink some water. It might help with the headache tomorrow.

Sqwertz wrote:
> On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 09:00:29 -0400, wrote:
>
>> I got my favorite juicer for free, my right hand.
> Did anybody else just shiver reading that?
>
> -sw

Word.

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Dave Smith wrote:
>
> I don't know about the clerk being bored. They are expected to offer
> assistance to shoppers. It can be a no win situation for them because
> some shoppers expect assistance and will get miffed and walk out if no
> one comes over to help them. Besides, some of those sales people are
> working for commission and can miss out on that if someone else rings up
> the sale.

Here's what I like. No problem being greeted when I first come in
and asking if I need some assistance. If I know exactly what I am
looking for, I might ask, "Where can I find _____? That's nice
and saves me time wandering around looking for something.

If I respond with, "No, I'm just looking around" then leave me
alone. If I need help later wait for me to ask for it. Some sales
people will show right up again if they see you pause and look at
something for longer than a browse. That's when I get annoyed.

I once went to a Ford dealership to look at new and used cars.
Naturally, a salesman came right up and asked if I needed help. I
wasn't even planning to buy, I was just curious as to various
cars and prices. I told him that, "No, I'm just looking around
today."

His response was, "Cool, take your time. If you need any help
just ask." He handed me his business card then he left me alone.
I spent 30 minutes or more looking in the showroom and out on the
lot. Then I left and he never bothered me after that first
contact.

He was a smart saleman, imo. No pressure. He made first contact
then backed off. As I drove away, I was convinced that if I went
back there to buy, I would ask for him specifically. That's the
way a good salesman should act, imo.

Note: I did end up going back there about 5 months later to buy a
slightly used car. I asked for that guy. He wasn't working that
day so I came back when he was and bought from him. He deserved
the commission.

On Sun, 03 Sep 2017 06:55:36 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> I don't know about the clerk being bored. They are expected to offer
>> assistance to shoppers. It can be a no win situation for them because
>> some shoppers expect assistance and will get miffed and walk out if no
>> one comes over to help them. Besides, some of those sales people are
>> working for commission and can miss out on that if someone else rings up
>> the sale.
>
>Here's what I like. No problem being greeted when I first come in
>and asking if I need some assistance. If I know exactly what I am
>looking for, I might ask, "Where can I find _____? That's nice
>and saves me time wandering around looking for something.
>
>If I respond with, "No, I'm just looking around" then leave me
>alone. If I need help later wait for me to ask for it. Some sales
>people will show right up again if they see you pause and look at
>something for longer than a browse. That's when I get annoyed.
>
>I once went to a Ford dealership to look at new and used cars.
>Naturally, a salesman came right up and asked if I needed help. I
>wasn't even planning to buy, I was just curious as to various
>cars and prices. I told him that, "No, I'm just looking around
>today."
>
>His response was, "Cool, take your time. If you need any help
>just ask." He handed me his business card then he left me alone.
>I spent 30 minutes or more looking in the showroom and out on the
>lot. Then I left and he never bothered me after that first
>contact.
>
>He was a smart saleman, imo. No pressure. He made first contact
>then backed off. As I drove away, I was convinced that if I went
>back there to buy, I would ask for him specifically. That's the
>way a good salesman should act, imo.
>
>Note: I did end up going back there about 5 months later to buy a
>slightly used car. I asked for that guy. He wasn't working that
>day so I came back when he was and bought from him. He deserved
>the commission.

I don't like hovering salespeople either. Earlier this week I went to
take advantage of a sale on Skechers. I had taken a sock with me so
put that on, found the ones I liked, tried it on, also a second pair.
The three tills were busy so I lined up where there was a sign saying
'form line here' - I noticed a man come along after me and wait at the
other end but it wasn't my business to tell him where to wait. I was
mad as hell when one cashier finished, smiled sweetly at him and was
going to serve him. I say Excuse Me! I was waiting here first, she
still continues to serve him so I point out the sign and still she
serves him. I got the feeling that the man's time was considered more
important than mine, so I walked along dumped the two pairs of
sneakers on the counter and said 'somehow they have lost their appeal'
and left.

Next time they email me an ad with a sale, they will get an earful
about customer service in their store. Saved myself about $175 -

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "cshenk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Boron wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On Fri, 01 Sep 2017 09:27:22 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> >>>On Fri, 1 Sep 2017 10:57:26 -0400, Ed Pawlowski >
> wrote:
> > > >
> >>> > On 9/1/2017 10:34 AM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> > > > > >
> >>>>> I ordered a coffee grinder yesterday (8/31) at about 2 P.M. It
> >>will >>> be delivered today. I ordered one of those metal
> lemon/lime >>squeezers >>> about an hour after I ordered the coffee
> grinder. It >>will be here >>> tomorrow. The reason I didn't order
> anything until >>after 2 was >>> because my husband thought we should
> go out and see >>if I could get >>> what I wanted locally. Out of
> stock at one place >>and twice as costly >>> at another. Bah! Stay
> at home and shop and >>let the stuff come to >>> you.
> >>>>> Janet US
> > > > > >
> >>> >
> >>> > I like to support local businesses, but often I can't. Amazon
> >>> > has most everything at a good price and in stock. Malls are
> >>> > closing all over these days. I buy from the seller that offers
> >>> > me the best deal for me.
> >>> >
> >>> > Lemons at the Stop & Shop are 79 cents. At WaMart they are 35
> >>> > cents. Same size, same color.
> >>> >
> >>> > What kind of coffee grinder did you get?
> > > >
> >>> Krups. Nothing fancy, just a kitchen tool. The one that died
> this >>> week is a Krups and I like it. I've had it for 8-10 years.
> I could >>> have gotten it from Costco.com but the delivery is slower.
> >>> I always get my lemons from Costco as I can't duplicate size or
> >>> quality elsewhere -- > 9.26 a.m., coffee grinder just
> arrived!!!!! Hooray. Coffee this >>> morning :-)
> >>> Janet US
> > >
> > >
> > > I used to be quite torn when I ordered from Amazon or other
> > > online retailer, thinking I might be harming business at local
> > > merchants, then came to believe that by shopping at any one local
> > > merchant over other local ones could have a similar impact. I
> > > stopped fighting it.
> > >
> > > I order 90% of my non-food items online these days. It just isn't
> > > worth the effort to schlep around going from store to store
> > > looking for exactly what I want or trying to get a better price.
> >
> >
> > Now that's the one I won't do. I enjoy grocery shopping! I do take
> > the drudgery out though with some repeat items at a good price on
> > Amazon.
>
> I get some things online such as heavy cases of water and cat litter.
> And it's cheaper for me to get some shelf stable things that way,
> plus I often get Swagbucks for shopping and I redeem them for Amazon
> gift cards. I have used Prime Now for groceries a few times. Mostly
> when I didn't feel up to going out. Only problem was when they didn't
> deliver the almond milk and that was rather needed for the smoothie
> that Angela wanted. She got all the rest of the ingredients. Just not
> that.

I get dog and cat kibble (same or slightly less than the store), lipton
tea bags, trash bags, Ziploc bags, toilet paper, pill pockets for
Iowna's tramadol (4 times a day for her arthritis), a simple body wash
we like for bubble bath (2.47).

I tried the 48 can box of Cream of Mushroom but found out those are
repacks of damaged cans and fully 1 in 4 were not usable so cancelled
that order.

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> wrote in message
...

> I don't like hovering salespeople either. Earlier this week I went to
> take advantage of a sale on Skechers. I had taken a sock with me so
> put that on, found the ones I liked, tried it on, also a second pair.
> The three tills were busy so I lined up where there was a sign saying
> 'form line here' - I noticed a man come along after me and wait at the
> other end but it wasn't my business to tell him where to wait. I was
> mad as hell when one cashier finished, smiled sweetly at him and was
> going to serve him. I say Excuse Me! I was waiting here first, she
> still continues to serve him so I point out the sign and still she
> serves him. I got the feeling that the man's time was considered more
> important than mine, so I walked along dumped the two pairs of
> sneakers on the counter and said 'somehow they have lost their appeal'
> and left.
>
> Next time they email me an ad with a sale, they will get an earful
> about customer service in their store. Saved myself about $175 -



He was probably handsome.

Cheri