Here's the after report
http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:02:58 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>
>Here's the after report
>http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q

One of those ones, for USians only I guess

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:02:58 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Here's the after report
>>http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q
>
>One of those ones, for USians only I guess

? What do you mean? You can't click it or you disagree with the
report?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...z&OCID=U457DHP

looks like orange juice may be more expensive
Janet US

In article >,
says...
>
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300, wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:02:58 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Here's the after report
> >>http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q
> >
> >One of those ones, for USians only I guess
>
> ? What do you mean? You can't click it or you disagree with the
> report?
> http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...z&OCID=U457DHP
>
"We're sorry, this video cannot be played from your current location."

Janet UK

On 2017-09-13 12:51 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300, wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:02:58 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Here's the after report
>>> http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q
>>
>> One of those ones, for USians only I guess
>
> ? What do you mean? You can't click it or you disagree with the
> report?
> http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...z&OCID=U457DHP
>


She means that it won't open in our locations.


> looks like orange juice may be more expensive

I am sure they will use that excuse. FWIW, I came across an article from
a few months ago that reported that orange juice futures had dropped due
to a robust crop in Brazil, the largest growing area. Orange groves in
Florida had been hit with citrus greening disease, which causes the
fruit to fall before it is ripe. Prices had been up last year due to a
drought in Brazil. It looks like this years Brazilian crop will more
than make up for Florida's losses, but they will probably use the recent
hurricane as an excuse to raise prices anyway.

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:51:29 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:02:58 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Here's the after report
>>>http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q
>>
>>One of those ones, for USians only I guess
>
>? What do you mean? You can't click it or you disagree with the
>report?
>http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...z&OCID=U457DHP
>
>looks like orange juice may be more expensive
>Janet US

No, when I clicked on the link it told me "We're sorry, this video
cannot be played from your current location."

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:02:58 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>
>>Here's the after report
>>http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q
>
>One of those ones, for USians only I guess

I see more and more geoblocking on the net, probably for real or
perceived legal reasons. So much for World Wide Web.

On 2017-09-13, U.S Janet B > wrote:

> looks like orange juice may be more expensive

If the price increases, it's probably a scam.

I have a can of concentrated Minute Maid Premium Original OJ (made by
Coca-Cola). OJ "concentrate from Brazil".

nb

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:00:21 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:23:49 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2017-09-13 12:51 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300, wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:02:58 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the after report
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q
>>>>
>>>> One of those ones, for USians only I guess
>>>
>>> ? What do you mean? You can't click it or you disagree with the
>>> report?
>>> http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...z&OCID=U457DHP
>>>
>>
>>
>>She means that it won't open in our locations.
>>
>>
>>> looks like orange juice may be more expensive
>>
>>I am sure they will use that excuse. FWIW, I came across an article from
>>a few months ago that reported that orange juice futures had dropped due
>>to a robust crop in Brazil, the largest growing area. Orange groves in
>>Florida had been hit with citrus greening disease, which causes the
>>fruit to fall before it is ripe. Prices had been up last year due to a
>>drought in Brazil. It looks like this years Brazilian crop will more
>>than make up for Florida's losses, but they will probably use the recent
>> hurricane as an excuse to raise prices anyway.


There are at least 5 agency reports and surveys that are combined in
that article. What did your article say about the rest of the
agriculture discussed in the story? Did you read anything beyond the
subject line that I posted? I think not. "They" are not out to get
you.
Janet US

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:31:21 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:51:29 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:02:58 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Here's the after report
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q
>>>
>>>One of those ones, for USians only I guess
>>
>>? What do you mean? You can't click it or you disagree with the
>>report?
>>http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...z&OCID=U457DHP
>>
>>looks like orange juice may be more expensive
>>Janet US
>
>No, when I clicked on the link it told me "We're sorry, this video
>cannot be played from your current location."

Here's the story, sorry about the video before.

Florida fruit growers and farmers have just barely begun to assess the
damage Hurricane Irma wrought on the state's citrus, sugar cane and
vegetable crops -- but they expect it will be significant.

With power and communications still out across much of Florida,
officials said Tuesday that getting a full picture will take weeks.
What remains unknown: Exactly how much damage the crops suffered, how
much producers might recover from crop insurance and how much more
people might pay for their morning orange juice.

Irma went right up the middle. It didn't matter where you were,
because Irma was so wide," said Mark Hudson, the Florida state
statistician with the National Agricultural Statistics Service.
Extension and Farm Service Agency agents have just started evaluating
the losses, he said, "if they can get fuel and if they can get out."

Florida's orange harvest usually begins around Thanksgiving, and
about 90 percent of it becomes juice. Projections for the 2016-2017
growing season had called for 68.5 million boxes of oranges and 7.8
million boxes of grapefruit. The orange crop was worth over $886
million, according to USDA figures, while the grapefruit crop was
worth nearly $110 million.

Lisa Lochridge, a spokeswoman for the Florida Fruit and Vegetable
Association, said reports indicate a 50 percent to 70 percent crop
loss in South Florida, depending on the region, with losses "only
slightly less going north." Joel Widenor, co-founder of Commodity
Weather Group, forecast the overall orange crop loss at 10 percent and
the grapefruit loss at 20 percent to 30 percent. He estimated sugar
cane losses at 10 percent."Before Hurricane Irma, there was a good
chance we would have more than 75 million boxes of oranges on the
trees this season, we now have much less," said Shannon Stepp,
executive director of the Florida Department of Citrus. Initial
reports indicate Irma's winds knocked lot of fruit to the ground but
uprooted relatively few trees, which will help growers in the long
term.
The sugar cane harvest was expected to begin Oct. 1. Producers had
anticipated a "very good" crop of around 2.1 million tons, said Ryan
Weston, CEO of the Florida Sugar Cane League. Aerial observations this
week should start showing how much was knocked down, he said.

Florida is a key source of fresh fruits and vegetables for the rest of
the country in the winter. In many cases those crops aren't in the
ground yet, or it's early enough to replant. But particularly for
tomatoes and strawberries, Lochridge said, some fields about to be
planted were damaged. So she said the tomato crop is expected to be
light in early November, though officials expect a solid December.
Strawberry growers expect to recover quickly and harvest on time, she
said.

"A big concern for growers is finding available workers to help them
in their recovery efforts," Lochridge said. "The labor supply was
already very tight."
Frozen orange juice concentrate futures, which provide a glimpse at
what might happen to consumer prices, spiked last week as Irma bore
down but slipped this week. Coca-Cola (KO), whose brands include
Minute Maid and Simply juices, said its juice operations are already
back up and running.The U.S. Department of Agriculture will issue its
first forecast of Florida's 2017-18 citrus crop on Oct. 12. The
state's industry has been decimated in past years by citrus greening
disease, which cuts yields and turns fruit bitter. The harvest has
fallen by more than 70 percent since the disease was discovered in
Florida in 2005, Lochridge said, and the resulting higher prices for
consumers haven't made up for the losses to growers.

Chet Townsend, editor of the Citrus Daily newsletter who also owns a
five-acre grove near Fort Denaud in southwestern Florida, got his
first good look at the damage driving around his area Tuesday morning.

"I've never seen so much fruit down," he said, "even after a freeze."

On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 04:42:28 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:02:58 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Here's the after report
>>>http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q
>>
>>One of those ones, for USians only I guess
>
>I see more and more geoblocking on the net, probably for real or
>perceived legal reasons. So much for World Wide Web.

I wondered, if it was something to do with crops, whether they want to
keep their prices high in Canada, they export a lot to us, and that
was behind it.

"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...


Here's the after report
http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q

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Aww we can't watch the video


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"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 15:31:21 -0300, wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:51:29 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300, wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:02:58 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Here's the after report
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/y8lvrn7q
>>>
>>>One of those ones, for USians only I guess
>>
>>? What do you mean? You can't click it or you disagree with the
>>report?
>>http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...z&OCID=U457DHP
>>
>>looks like orange juice may be more expensive
>>Janet US
>
>No, when I clicked on the link it told me "We're sorry, this video
>cannot be played from your current location."

Here's the story, sorry about the video before.

Florida fruit growers and farmers have just barely begun to assess the
damage Hurricane Irma wrought on the state's citrus, sugar cane and
vegetable crops -- but they expect it will be significant.

With power and communications still out across much of Florida,
officials said Tuesday that getting a full picture will take weeks.
What remains unknown: Exactly how much damage the crops suffered, how
much producers might recover from crop insurance and how much more
people might pay for their morning orange juice.

Irma went right up the middle. It didn't matter where you were,
because Irma was so wide," said Mark Hudson, the Florida state
statistician with the National Agricultural Statistics Service.
Extension and Farm Service Agency agents have just started evaluating
the losses, he said, "if they can get fuel and if they can get out."

Florida's orange harvest usually begins around Thanksgiving, and
about 90 percent of it becomes juice. Projections for the 2016-2017
growing season had called for 68.5 million boxes of oranges and 7.8
million boxes of grapefruit. The orange crop was worth over $886
million, according to USDA figures, while the grapefruit crop was
worth nearly $110 million.

Lisa Lochridge, a spokeswoman for the Florida Fruit and Vegetable
Association, said reports indicate a 50 percent to 70 percent crop
loss in South Florida, depending on the region, with losses "only
slightly less going north." Joel Widenor, co-founder of Commodity
Weather Group, forecast the overall orange crop loss at 10 percent and
the grapefruit loss at 20 percent to 30 percent. He estimated sugar
cane losses at 10 percent."Before Hurricane Irma, there was a good
chance we would have more than 75 million boxes of oranges on the
trees this season, we now have much less," said Shannon Stepp,
executive director of the Florida Department of Citrus. Initial
reports indicate Irma's winds knocked lot of fruit to the ground but
uprooted relatively few trees, which will help growers in the long
term.
The sugar cane harvest was expected to begin Oct. 1. Producers had
anticipated a "very good" crop of around 2.1 million tons, said Ryan
Weston, CEO of the Florida Sugar Cane League. Aerial observations this
week should start showing how much was knocked down, he said.

Florida is a key source of fresh fruits and vegetables for the rest of
the country in the winter. In many cases those crops aren't in the
ground yet, or it's early enough to replant. But particularly for
tomatoes and strawberries, Lochridge said, some fields about to be
planted were damaged. So she said the tomato crop is expected to be
light in early November, though officials expect a solid December.
Strawberry growers expect to recover quickly and harvest on time, she
said.

"A big concern for growers is finding available workers to help them
in their recovery efforts," Lochridge said. "The labor supply was
already very tight."
Frozen orange juice concentrate futures, which provide a glimpse at
what might happen to consumer prices, spiked last week as Irma bore
down but slipped this week. Coca-Cola (KO), whose brands include
Minute Maid and Simply juices, said its juice operations are already
back up and running.The U.S. Department of Agriculture will issue its
first forecast of Florida's 2017-18 citrus crop on Oct. 12. The
state's industry has been decimated in past years by citrus greening
disease, which cuts yields and turns fruit bitter. The harvest has
fallen by more than 70 percent since the disease was discovered in
Florida in 2005, Lochridge said, and the resulting higher prices for
consumers haven't made up for the losses to growers.

Chet Townsend, editor of the Citrus Daily newsletter who also owns a
five-acre grove near Fort Denaud in southwestern Florida, got his
first good look at the damage driving around his area Tuesday morning.

"I've never seen so much fruit down," he said, "even after a freeze."

===

Oh! All the text was there, it was just the video that wouldn't play.

Thanks for posting.


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On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:23:57 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:


>
>Florida fruit growers and farmers have just barely begun to assess the
>damage Hurricane Irma wrought on the state's citrus, sugar cane and
>vegetable crops -- but they expect it will be significant.
>
>With power and communications still out across much of Florida,
>officials said Tuesday that getting a full picture will take weeks.
>What remains unknown: Exactly how much damage the crops suffered, how
>much producers might recover from crop insurance and how much more
>people might pay for their morning orange juice.
>
>Irma went right up the middle. It didn't matter where you were,
>because Irma was so wide," said Mark Hudson, the Florida state
>statistician with the National Agricultural Statistics Service.
>Extension and Farm Service Agency agents have just started evaluating
>the losses, he said, "if they can get fuel and if they can get out."
>
> Florida's orange harvest usually begins around Thanksgiving, and
>about 90 percent of it becomes juice. Projections for the 2016-2017
>growing season had called for 68.5 million boxes of oranges and 7.8
>million boxes of grapefruit. The orange crop was worth over $886
>million, according to USDA figures, while the grapefruit crop was
>worth nearly $110 million.
>
>Lisa Lochridge, a spokeswoman for the Florida Fruit and Vegetable
>Association, said reports indicate a 50 percent to 70 percent crop
>loss in South Florida, depending on the region, with losses "only
>slightly less going north." Joel Widenor, co-founder of Commodity
>Weather Group, forecast the overall orange crop loss at 10 percent and
>the grapefruit loss at 20 percent to 30 percent. He estimated sugar
>cane losses at 10 percent."Before Hurricane Irma, there was a good
>chance we would have more than 75 million boxes of oranges on the
>trees this season, we now have much less," said Shannon Stepp,
>executive director of the Florida Department of Citrus. Initial
>reports indicate Irma's winds knocked lot of fruit to the ground but
>uprooted relatively few trees, which will help growers in the long
>term.
>The sugar cane harvest was expected to begin Oct. 1. Producers had
>anticipated a "very good" crop of around 2.1 million tons, said Ryan
>Weston, CEO of the Florida Sugar Cane League. Aerial observations this
>week should start showing how much was knocked down, he said.
>
>Florida is a key source of fresh fruits and vegetables for the rest of
>the country in the winter. In many cases those crops aren't in the
>ground yet, or it's early enough to replant. But particularly for
>tomatoes and strawberries, Lochridge said, some fields about to be
>planted were damaged. So she said the tomato crop is expected to be
>light in early November, though officials expect a solid December.
>Strawberry growers expect to recover quickly and harvest on time, she
>said.
>
>"A big concern for growers is finding available workers to help them
>in their recovery efforts," Lochridge said. "The labor supply was
>already very tight."
>Frozen orange juice concentrate futures, which provide a glimpse at
>what might happen to consumer prices, spiked last week as Irma bore
>down but slipped this week. Coca-Cola (KO), whose brands include
>Minute Maid and Simply juices, said its juice operations are already
>back up and running.The U.S. Department of Agriculture will issue its
>first forecast of Florida's 2017-18 citrus crop on Oct. 12. The
>state's industry has been decimated in past years by citrus greening
>disease, which cuts yields and turns fruit bitter. The harvest has
>fallen by more than 70 percent since the disease was discovered in
>Florida in 2005, Lochridge said, and the resulting higher prices for
>consumers haven't made up for the losses to growers.
>
>Chet Townsend, editor of the Citrus Daily newsletter who also owns a
>five-acre grove near Fort Denaud in southwestern Florida, got his
>first good look at the damage driving around his area Tuesday morning.
>
> "I've never seen so much fruit down," he said, "even after a freeze."
>
>
Maybe I sound very cynical but our gas has already zoomed up about 40
cents a litre since Harvey. I understand the Texan refineries are
back up and working but our gas has not dropped but then, since we get
our gas from Venezuela, it's nine tenths of my cynicism. If you see
what I mean.

If veggies and fruit are now going to be higher than last winter
(which was extraordinary price-wise) deal me out, I can live without
them if need be

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:47:35 -0300, wrote:
snip
>>
>Maybe I sound very cynical but our gas has already zoomed up about 40
>cents a litre since Harvey. I understand the Texan refineries are
>back up and working but our gas has not dropped but then, since we get
>our gas from Venezuela, it's nine tenths of my cynicism. If you see
>what I mean.
>
>If veggies and fruit are now going to be higher than last winter
>(which was extraordinary price-wise) deal me out, I can live without
>them if need be

I don't know about supplying Nova Scotia, but there is a major
pipeline going all the way north from Texas that was damaged with
Harvey. This pipeline is a biggy and they are not back on line yet.
Is you Venezuelan oil off loaded from a tanker directly to you folks
or is it delivered some other way? Don't know, just wondering.
Apparently Florida off loads from a tanker to trucks. I just assumed
that all oil delivered to N. America was delivered through pipes and
then trucked to depots.
Janet US

On 2017-09-13 3:13 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:00:21 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:23:49 -0400, Dave Smith
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 2017-09-13 12:51 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300,
>
>>>>> One of those ones, for USians only I guess
>>>>
>>>> ? What do you mean? You can't click it or you disagree with
>>>> the report?
>>>> http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...z&OCID=U457DHP
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
She means that it won't open in our locations.
>>>
>>>
>>>> looks like orange juice may be more expensive
>>>
>>> I am sure they will use that excuse. FWIW, I came across an
>>> article from a few months ago that reported that orange juice
>>> futures had dropped due to a robust crop in Brazil, the largest
>>> growing area. Orange groves in Florida had been hit with citrus
>>> greening disease, which causes the fruit to fall before it is
>>> ripe. Prices had been up last year due to a drought in Brazil. It
>>> looks like this years Brazilian crop will more than make up for
>>> Florida's losses, but they will probably use the recent hurricane
>>> as an excuse to raise prices anyway.
>
>
> There are at least 5 agency reports and surveys that are combined in
> that article. What did your article say about the rest of the
> agriculture discussed in the story? Did you read anything beyond
> the subject line that I posted? I think not. "They" are not out to
> get you. Janet US


Feel free to run off on a tangent. I had replied to the question about
why lucretia couldn't see the video. Then I replied to your comment
about the price of orange juice.

On 2017-09-13 3:41 PM, wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 04:42:28 +1000, Bruce >
> wrote:

> I wondered, if it was something to do with crops, whether they want to
> keep their prices high in Canada, they export a lot to us, and that
> was behind it.

A lot of our winter fresh produce comes from Mexico, South America and
other southern locations. That does not mean that we will not be
affected by the shortages in Florida. Our other suppliers will likely be
selling to Florida's markets, and that will mean higher demand and
higher prices.

On 2017-09-13 4:58 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:47:35 -0300, wrote:
> snip

> I don't know about supplying Nova Scotia, but there is a major
> pipeline going all the way north from Texas that was damaged with
> Harvey. This pipeline is a biggy and they are not back on line yet.
> Is you Venezuelan oil off loaded from a tanker directly to you folks
> or is it delivered some other way? Don't know, just wondering.
> Apparently Florida off loads from a tanker to trucks. I just assumed
> that all oil delivered to N. America was delivered through pipes and
> then trucked to depots.
> Janet US

Wow. You dumped on me for addressing only the orange juice comment and
not the entire report and then you turned around and posted about your
assumption that offloading tankers directly to trucks. I can just
imagine the process of unloading a million barrel plus oiler into 9,000
gallon tanker trailers. Most of Florida's fuel is delivered to Port
Everglades where it is offloaded into the tank farms.

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:58:27 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:47:35 -0300, wrote:
>snip
>>>
>>Maybe I sound very cynical but our gas has already zoomed up about 40
>>cents a litre since Harvey. I understand the Texan refineries are
>>back up and working but our gas has not dropped but then, since we get
>>our gas from Venezuela, it's nine tenths of my cynicism. If you see
>>what I mean.
>>
>>If veggies and fruit are now going to be higher than last winter
>>(which was extraordinary price-wise) deal me out, I can live without
>>them if need be
>
>I don't know about supplying Nova Scotia, but there is a major
>pipeline going all the way north from Texas that was damaged with
>Harvey. This pipeline is a biggy and they are not back on line yet.
>Is you Venezuelan oil off loaded from a tanker directly to you folks
>or is it delivered some other way? Don't know, just wondering.
>Apparently Florida off loads from a tanker to trucks. I just assumed
>that all oil delivered to N. America was delivered through pipes and
>then trucked to depots.
>Janet US

I really don't know Janet, I just know that's where our oil comes from
but we get the price hikes. As I said, I am cynical. No matter what
our prices seem to soar whenever there is something like this and I
just figure, so what's new?

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 17:35:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-09-13 3:41 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 04:42:28 +1000, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>
>> I wondered, if it was something to do with crops, whether they want to
>> keep their prices high in Canada, they export a lot to us, and that
>> was behind it.
>
>A lot of our winter fresh produce comes from Mexico, South America and
>other southern locations. That does not mean that we will not be
>affected by the shortages in Florida. Our other suppliers will likely be
>selling to Florida's markets, and that will mean higher demand and
>higher prices.
>
That is what I am saying, no matter what, watch the prices rise. I am
sick to death of it and all their reasons, to hell with the whole
bloody lot of them!

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 17:35:59 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-09-13 3:41 PM, wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 04:42:28 +1000, Bruce >
>> wrote:
>
>> I wondered, if it was something to do with crops, whether they want to
>> keep their prices high in Canada, they export a lot to us, and that
>> was behind it.
>
>A lot of our winter fresh produce comes from Mexico, South America and
>other southern locations. That does not mean that we will not be
>affected by the shortages in Florida. Our other suppliers will likely be
>selling to Florida's markets, and that will mean higher demand and
>higher prices.
>
that is a reasoned response

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 17:23:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-09-13 3:13 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:00:21 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:23:49 -0400, Dave Smith
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2017-09-13 12:51 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300,
>>
>>>>>> One of those ones, for USians only I guess
>>>>>
>>>>> ? What do you mean? You can't click it or you disagree with
>>>>> the report?
>>>>> http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...z&OCID=U457DHP
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>She means that it won't open in our locations.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> looks like orange juice may be more expensive
>>>>
>>>> I am sure they will use that excuse. FWIW, I came across an
>>>> article from a few months ago that reported that orange juice
>>>> futures had dropped due to a robust crop in Brazil, the largest
>>>> growing area. Orange groves in Florida had been hit with citrus
>>>> greening disease, which causes the fruit to fall before it is
>>>> ripe. Prices had been up last year due to a drought in Brazil. It
>>>> looks like this years Brazilian crop will more than make up for
>>>> Florida's losses, but they will probably use the recent hurricane
>>>> as an excuse to raise prices anyway.
>>
>>
>> There are at least 5 agency reports and surveys that are combined in
>> that article. What did your article say about the rest of the
>> agriculture discussed in the story? Did you read anything beyond
>> the subject line that I posted? I think not. "They" are not out to
>> get you. Janet US
>
>
>Feel free to run off on a tangent. I had replied to the question about
>why lucretia couldn't see the video. Then I replied to your comment
>about the price of orange juice.
>
I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. I took your comment of 'I'm sure
they will use that excuse' to mean that you believed that claims of
damage were overblown and that there would be no real excuse for
increased prices on any of the crops.
Janet US

On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 17:54:07 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
wrote:

>On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 17:23:18 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:
>
>>On 2017-09-13 3:13 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:00:21 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:23:49 -0400, Dave Smith
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-09-13 12:51 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 13:19:30 -0300,
>>>
>>>>>>> One of those ones, for USians only I guess
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ? What do you mean? You can't click it or you disagree with
>>>>>> the report?
>>>>>> http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...z&OCID=U457DHP
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>She means that it won't open in our locations.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> looks like orange juice may be more expensive
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sure they will use that excuse. FWIW, I came across an
>>>>> article from a few months ago that reported that orange juice
>>>>> futures had dropped due to a robust crop in Brazil, the largest
>>>>> growing area. Orange groves in Florida had been hit with citrus
>>>>> greening disease, which causes the fruit to fall before it is
>>>>> ripe. Prices had been up last year due to a drought in Brazil. It
>>>>> looks like this years Brazilian crop will more than make up for
>>>>> Florida's losses, but they will probably use the recent hurricane
>>>>> as an excuse to raise prices anyway.
>>>
>>>
>>> There are at least 5 agency reports and surveys that are combined in
>>> that article. What did your article say about the rest of the
>>> agriculture discussed in the story? Did you read anything beyond
>>> the subject line that I posted? I think not. "They" are not out to
>>> get you. Janet US
>>
>>
>>Feel free to run off on a tangent. I had replied to the question about
>>why lucretia couldn't see the video. Then I replied to your comment
>>about the price of orange juice.
>>
>I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. I took your comment of 'I'm sure
>they will use that excuse' to mean that you believed that claims of
>damage were overblown and that there would be no real excuse for
>increased prices on any of the crops.
>Janet US

No, I think it is just, as I explained, the cynicism that knows
whatever chance there is to raise prices, they will take it. Don't
you notice that where you live? Though I have to admit I was not
entirely clear why the price of one cauliflower last winter rose to
something like $5.99! Because there is just me I can not buy but I
feel for a woman trying to feed her kids a healthy veggie diet when
that happens!

On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:58:27 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:47:35 -0300, wrote:
> >snip
> >>>
> >>Maybe I sound very cynical but our gas has already zoomed up about 40
> >>cents a litre since Harvey. I understand the Texan refineries are
> >>back up and working but our gas has not dropped but then, since we get
> >>our gas from Venezuela, it's nine tenths of my cynicism. If you see
> >>what I mean.
> >>
> >>If veggies and fruit are now going to be higher than last winter
> >>(which was extraordinary price-wise) deal me out, I can live without
> >>them if need be
> >
> >I don't know about supplying Nova Scotia, but there is a major
> >pipeline going all the way north from Texas that was damaged with
> >Harvey. This pipeline is a biggy and they are not back on line yet.
> >Is you Venezuelan oil off loaded from a tanker directly to you folks
> >or is it delivered some other way? Don't know, just wondering.
> >Apparently Florida off loads from a tanker to trucks. I just assumed
> >that all oil delivered to N. America was delivered through pipes and
> >then trucked to depots.
> >Janet US
>
> I really don't know Janet, I just know that's where our oil comes from
> but we get the price hikes. As I said, I am cynical. No matter what
> our prices seem to soar whenever there is something like this and I
> just figure, so what's new?

<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-31/harvey-s-impact-on-world-oil-market-underlines-growing-u-s-role>

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:10:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:58:27 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:47:35 -0300, wrote:
>> >snip
>> >>>
>> >>Maybe I sound very cynical but our gas has already zoomed up about 40
>> >>cents a litre since Harvey. I understand the Texan refineries are
>> >>back up and working but our gas has not dropped but then, since we get
>> >>our gas from Venezuela, it's nine tenths of my cynicism. If you see
>> >>what I mean.
>> >>
>> >>If veggies and fruit are now going to be higher than last winter
>> >>(which was extraordinary price-wise) deal me out, I can live without
>> >>them if need be
>> >
>> >I don't know about supplying Nova Scotia, but there is a major
>> >pipeline going all the way north from Texas that was damaged with
>> >Harvey. This pipeline is a biggy and they are not back on line yet.
>> >Is you Venezuelan oil off loaded from a tanker directly to you folks
>> >or is it delivered some other way? Don't know, just wondering.
>> >Apparently Florida off loads from a tanker to trucks. I just assumed
>> >that all oil delivered to N. America was delivered through pipes and
>> >then trucked to depots.
>> >Janet US
>>
>> I really don't know Janet, I just know that's where our oil comes from
>> but we get the price hikes. As I said, I am cynical. No matter what
>> our prices seem to soar whenever there is something like this and I
>> just figure, so what's new?
>
><https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-31/harvey-s-impact-on-world-oil-market-underlines-growing-u-s-role>
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I didn't watch it all but that's what I figure, traders, opportunists
etc all get in the middle there to gouge us.
Cynic.

On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 08:23:31 -0300, wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:10:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>>>
>>> I really don't know Janet, I just know that's where our oil comes from
>>> but we get the price hikes. As I said, I am cynical. No matter what
>>> our prices seem to soar whenever there is something like this and I
>>> just figure, so what's new?
>>
>><https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-31/harvey-s-impact-on-world-oil-market-underlines-growing-u-s-role>
>>
>>Cindy Hamilton
>
>I didn't watch it all but that's what I figure, traders, opportunists
>etc all get in the middle there to gouge us.
>Cynic.

I also get the impression that when prices go up because of a crisis,
and the crisis is over, the prices never go back to what they were
before the crisis.

On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 21:37:52 +1000, Bruce >
wrote:

>On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 08:23:31 -0300, wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:10:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I really don't know Janet, I just know that's where our oil comes from
>>>> but we get the price hikes. As I said, I am cynical. No matter what
>>>> our prices seem to soar whenever there is something like this and I
>>>> just figure, so what's new?
>>>
>>><https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-31/harvey-s-impact-on-world-oil-market-underlines-growing-u-s-role>
>>>
>>>Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>I didn't watch it all but that's what I figure, traders, opportunists
>>etc all get in the middle there to gouge us.
>>Cynic.
>
>I also get the impression that when prices go up because of a crisis,
>and the crisis is over, the prices never go back to what they were
>before the crisis.

Not that I have ever noticed. Last winter broccoli and caulis were
astronomical, the latter sometimes nearly $5 - supposedly due the
drought in California, now they are down again but a sale is $2.99. At
least our own from the valley are coming in now and they are
affordable. Maybe not so pretty but very tasty

On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 7:23:36 AM UTC-4, wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:10:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
> >> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:58:27 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:47:35 -0300, wrote:
> >> >snip
> >> >>>
> >> >>Maybe I sound very cynical but our gas has already zoomed up about 40
> >> >>cents a litre since Harvey. I understand the Texan refineries are
> >> >>back up and working but our gas has not dropped but then, since we get
> >> >>our gas from Venezuela, it's nine tenths of my cynicism. If you see
> >> >>what I mean.
> >> >>
> >> >>If veggies and fruit are now going to be higher than last winter
> >> >>(which was extraordinary price-wise) deal me out, I can live without
> >> >>them if need be
> >> >
> >> >I don't know about supplying Nova Scotia, but there is a major
> >> >pipeline going all the way north from Texas that was damaged with
> >> >Harvey. This pipeline is a biggy and they are not back on line yet.
> >> >Is you Venezuelan oil off loaded from a tanker directly to you folks
> >> >or is it delivered some other way? Don't know, just wondering.
> >> >Apparently Florida off loads from a tanker to trucks. I just assumed
> >> >that all oil delivered to N. America was delivered through pipes and
> >> >then trucked to depots.
> >> >Janet US
> >>
> >> I really don't know Janet, I just know that's where our oil comes from
> >> but we get the price hikes. As I said, I am cynical. No matter what
> >> our prices seem to soar whenever there is something like this and I
> >> just figure, so what's new?
> >
> ><https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-31/harvey-s-impact-on-world-oil-market-underlines-growing-u-s-role>
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I didn't watch it all but that's what I figure, traders, opportunists
> etc all get in the middle there to gouge us.
> Cynic.

The point is that even if you get your oil from Venezuela,
the world oil market is responsive to disturbances anywhere
within it. Oil is sold wherever it will command the highest
price, which tends to raise the price everywhere, as supplies
tighten.

Prices might go up during a shortage, but they drop during
a glut. Gasoline was $4.58 a gallon in the U.S. in 2008;
yesterday I paid $2.42, even with the Hurricane Harvey
bump.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton

On 2017-09-14 7:37 AM, Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 08:23:31 -0300, wrote:

>> I didn't watch it all but that's what I figure, traders, opportunists
>> etc all get in the middle there to gouge us.
>> Cynic.
>
> I also get the impression that when prices go up because of a crisis,
> and the crisis is over, the prices never go back to what they were
> before the crisis.

Sometimes they do. Gas soared here in 2005 when Hurricane Katrina
ravaged the Gulf and put refineries out of commission. Heck, the price
when up close to 15 cents a liter the day before it hit, just on the
fear of what it might do. Than another 20 cents as soon as it hit.
Things were back on line quickly but the price stayed high for a while.
It eventually dropped back down to pre Katrina prices.

Gas companies have a bad reputation for using any excuse to gouge its
customers. The market prices go up and down all the time. Any increase
in crude prices results in an almost immediate increase in the price at
the pump, but when the price of crude drops the lower pump prices are
much slower.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> Gas companies have a bad reputation for using any excuse to gouge its
> customers. The market prices go up and down all the time. Any increase
> in crude prices results in an almost immediate increase in the price at
> the pump, but when the price of crude drops the lower pump prices are
> much slower.

This is usually true and I plan to check it out tomorrow on the
way home from work. I bought gas on August 27...before these two
hurricanes. I paid $2.34 per gallon. I might swing by there
tomorrow just to check out the price change.

On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 06:10:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 7:23:36 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:10:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:58:27 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:47:35 -0300, wrote:
>> >> >snip
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>Maybe I sound very cynical but our gas has already zoomed up about 40
>> >> >>cents a litre since Harvey. I understand the Texan refineries are
>> >> >>back up and working but our gas has not dropped but then, since we get
>> >> >>our gas from Venezuela, it's nine tenths of my cynicism. If you see
>> >> >>what I mean.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>If veggies and fruit are now going to be higher than last winter
>> >> >>(which was extraordinary price-wise) deal me out, I can live without
>> >> >>them if need be
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't know about supplying Nova Scotia, but there is a major
>> >> >pipeline going all the way north from Texas that was damaged with
>> >> >Harvey. This pipeline is a biggy and they are not back on line yet.
>> >> >Is you Venezuelan oil off loaded from a tanker directly to you folks
>> >> >or is it delivered some other way? Don't know, just wondering.
>> >> >Apparently Florida off loads from a tanker to trucks. I just assumed
>> >> >that all oil delivered to N. America was delivered through pipes and
>> >> >then trucked to depots.
>> >> >Janet US
>> >>
>> >> I really don't know Janet, I just know that's where our oil comes from
>> >> but we get the price hikes. As I said, I am cynical. No matter what
>> >> our prices seem to soar whenever there is something like this and I
>> >> just figure, so what's new?
>> >
>> ><https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-31/harvey-s-impact-on-world-oil-market-underlines-growing-u-s-role>
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I didn't watch it all but that's what I figure, traders, opportunists
>> etc all get in the middle there to gouge us.
>> Cynic.
>
>The point is that even if you get your oil from Venezuela,
>the world oil market is responsive to disturbances anywhere
>within it. Oil is sold wherever it will command the highest
>price, which tends to raise the price everywhere, as supplies
>tighten.
>
>Prices might go up during a shortage, but they drop during
>a glut. Gasoline was $4.58 a gallon in the U.S. in 2008;
>yesterday I paid $2.42, even with the Hurricane Harvey
>bump.
>
>Cindy Hamilton
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I am still cynical - things go up but rarely return to previous
levels. Especially things like gas because they know we can't just say
'that's it, I'm not buying it again' -

On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 06:10:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Thursday, September 14, 2017 at 7:23:36 AM UTC-4, wrote:
>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 03:10:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 7:02:56 PM UTC-4, wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 14:58:27 -0600, U.S. Janet B. >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:47:35 -0300, wrote:
>> >> >snip
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>Maybe I sound very cynical but our gas has already zoomed up about 40
>> >> >>cents a litre since Harvey. I understand the Texan refineries are
>> >> >>back up and working but our gas has not dropped but then, since we get
>> >> >>our gas from Venezuela, it's nine tenths of my cynicism. If you see
>> >> >>what I mean.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>If veggies and fruit are now going to be higher than last winter
>> >> >>(which was extraordinary price-wise) deal me out, I can live without
>> >> >>them if need be
>> >> >
>> >> >I don't know about supplying Nova Scotia, but there is a major
>> >> >pipeline going all the way north from Texas that was damaged with
>> >> >Harvey. This pipeline is a biggy and they are not back on line yet.
>> >> >Is you Venezuelan oil off loaded from a tanker directly to you folks
>> >> >or is it delivered some other way? Don't know, just wondering.
>> >> >Apparently Florida off loads from a tanker to trucks. I just assumed
>> >> >that all oil delivered to N. America was delivered through pipes and
>> >> >then trucked to depots.
>> >> >Janet US
>> >>
>> >> I really don't know Janet, I just know that's where our oil comes from
>> >> but we get the price hikes. As I said, I am cynical. No matter what
>> >> our prices seem to soar whenever there is something like this and I
>> >> just figure, so what's new?
>> >
>> ><https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-31/harvey-s-impact-on-world-oil-market-underlines-growing-u-s-role>
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> I didn't watch it all but that's what I figure, traders, opportunists
>> etc all get in the middle there to gouge us.
>> Cynic.
>
>The point is that even if you get your oil from Venezuela,
>the world oil market is responsive to disturbances anywhere
>within it. Oil is sold wherever it will command the highest
>price, which tends to raise the price everywhere, as supplies
>tighten.
>
>Prices might go up during a shortage, but they drop during
>a glut. Gasoline was $4.58 a gallon in the U.S. in 2008;
>yesterday I paid $2.42, even with the Hurricane Harvey
>bump.
>
>Cindy Hamilton
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Meant to say also, have you noticed where you are that gas does a jump
just before holiday weekends? Always does here.

On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 10:15:04 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> Gas companies have a bad reputation for using any excuse to gouge its
>> customers. The market prices go up and down all the time. Any increase
>> in crude prices results in an almost immediate increase in the price at
>> the pump, but when the price of crude drops the lower pump prices are
>> much slower.
>
>This is usually true and I plan to check it out tomorrow on the
>way home from work. I bought gas on August 27...before these two
>hurricanes. I paid $2.34 per gallon. I might swing by there
>tomorrow just to check out the price change.

So far with my little car, I can last at least another week but I bet
I pay more than previously.

On 2017-09-14, > wrote:

> Not that I have ever noticed. Last winter broccoli and caulis were
> astronomical, the latter sometimes nearly $5 - supposedly due the
> drought in California, now they are down again but a sale is $2.99. At
> least our own from the valley are coming in now and they are
> affordable. Maybe not so pretty but very tasty

I looked at the "sale" ads in our local sprmkt flyers. Yep. Plain
ol' cube steaks are still going fer $8.99lb. This in a state that
prides itself on its thriving beef industry, of which it is our
primary industry (even bigger than cannabis). And guess what!? CO
has recently suffered zero hurricanes!!

That 4.2 lb organic chicken, which I payed $17USD fer, suddenly
seems like not such a bad deal.

nb

On 2017-09-14 11:45 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Sep 2017 06:10:08 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton

>> Prices might go up during a shortage, but they drop during
>> a glut. Gasoline was $4.58 a gallon in the U.S. in 2008;
>> yesterday I paid $2.42, even with the Hurricane Harvey
>> bump.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Meant to say also, have you noticed where you are that gas does a jump
> just before holiday weekends? Always does here.

There is no denying that connection between long weekends and higher gas
prices. It is curious that no matter what fluctuations there are in
crude prices, there always seems to be local variations. I was in
Toronto last weekend and prices there were about 10 cents per liter
lower than they were here in Niagara. Prices tend to be cheaper in
Niagara Falls and Fort Erie than in the rest of the region, likely
because people can hop across the border and get gas much cheaper in NY
state. Gas in Port Colborne is usually 5-8 cents per liter more in Port
Colborne than it is in Welland, just a few miles to the north. There
also tends to be a regional price reduction that roams around the
province. One week prices will be low in Niagara but the next week it is
Hamilton, then Toronto. The gas companies are playing games with their
prices to attract customers, getting them into the habit of buying
their product.

On 9/14/2017 11:54 AM, notbob wrote:
> On 2017-09-14, > wrote:
>
>> Not that I have ever noticed. Last winter broccoli and caulis were
>> astronomical, the latter sometimes nearly $5 - supposedly due the
>> drought in California, now they are down again but a sale is $2.99. At
>> least our own from the valley are coming in now and they are
>> affordable. Maybe not so pretty but very tasty
>
> I looked at the "sale" ads in our local sprmkt flyers. Yep. Plain
> ol' cube steaks are still going fer $8.99lb. This in a state that
> prides itself on its thriving beef industry, of which it is our
> primary industry (even bigger than cannabis). And guess what!? CO
> has recently suffered zero hurricanes!!
>
> That 4.2 lb organic chicken, which I payed $17USD fer, suddenly
> seems like not such a bad deal.
>
> nb
>

At the local Farmer's Market they get $10/lb for chicken. I've not
tried one yet.