Ed Pawlowski wrote:

> On 9/16/2017 1:03 PM, Ding - Dong Daddy wrote:
>
> >> Not everybody can do that. Some people simply do not have the
> >> intellectual capacity for a better job. Luckily, they probably
> >> don't have to rent their own apartment, either.
> >
> >
> > I'm in workforce development, which means I assist low - income folks to get better jobs. You are correct, some are simply not able to function in even a lower - level job. Or, some are content with a lower - level job. I could go on and on about this subject, but I will spare y'all...
> >
> > ;-}
> >
> >
>
> I've seen it. I know of a couple of people that are good at their jobs
> and have been offered promotion but turned it down. They make enough
> money to fill their modest needs and don't want the additional
> responsibility. Early in my working life I was sometimes offered
> overtime and took what I could get. Others would not work 10 minutes
> past their 40 hours no matter how easy the job.


Yup. My goal is to get people to a "self - sustaining*" level, that is different for different peeps...

[*Ideally, "self - sustaining" = "not dependent" on anyone for the basics, e.g food, housing, transport...]


--
Best
Greg

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 14:27:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/16/2017 1:03 PM, Ding - Dong Daddy wrote:
>
>> I'm in workforce development, which means I assist low - income folks to get better jobs. You are correct, some are simply not able to function in even a lower - level job. Or, some are content with a lower - level job. I could go on and on about this subject, but I will spare y'all...
>>
>I've seen it. I know of a couple of people that are good at their jobs
>and have been offered promotion but turned it down. They make enough
>money to fill their modest needs and don't want the additional
>responsibility. Early in my working life I was sometimes offered
>overtime and took what I could get. Others would not work 10 minutes
>past their 40 hours no matter how easy the job.

Work and money are not that important to everybody.

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:50:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/16/2017 7:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 7:02:54 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>
>>> I'm not saying that's not happening. I'm saying it's wrong. I'm also
>>> not saying it's only wrong in the US. It may be wrong in many
>>> countries.
>>>
>>> I still say that if you give 40 working hours a week to a job, you
>>> should be able to live off it, no matter how modestly. But without
>>> roommates and with health insurance.
>>
>> "Should". Well, there's a lotta should, but we have to live in the
>> real world.
>>
>> What's the problem (not your problem, but in general) with having
>> to have a roommate? I had three different roommates when I
>> was younger (four, technically, since I shared an apartment with
>> a boyfriend-girlfriend pair). Two of them were after I divorced
>> my first husband and couldn't make ends meet without them. They
>> were people I already knew, not some stranger answering a classified
>> ad.
>>
>>> Maybe restaurant prices in Michigan have to go up. Maybe certain
>>> things are so cheap because the poor are being exploited. Maybe there
>>> shouldn't be such a thing as a $1 hamburger.
>>
>> Places with a $1 hamburger don't have dishwashers, because they don't
>> have dishes. Places with a $10 hamburger probably pay their dishwashers
>> above-average pay for dishwashers, to be able to hire the very best
>> dishwasher they can.
>>
>> Of course the poor are exploited. That's nothing new. They are less
>> exploited than at any other time in history.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
>Go back a generation. It was fairly common is some cities for entire
>families to share apartments. It was also common to have
>multi-generation families sharing a house.

Not so long ago, we had slavery.

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:30:01 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On 9/15/2017 4:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> > On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 3:53:36 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
>> >>On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:40:38 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Bruce wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I think that's wrong. If it was a full-time job, you should
>> > > > > have been able to live modestly of it at least. Full-time
>> > > > > means you give all your working hours. I think that should
>> > > > > mean you can live off it.
>> > > >
>> > > > If you are uneducated and unskilled and accept a minimum wage
>> > > > job, you can live fine but you have to adapt to the situation.
>> > > > Live with roommates to split monthly costs, etc.
>> > >
>> > > No, not roommates! A little 1 bedroom apartment in an affordable
>> > > part of town.
>> >
>> > Would that be an affordable part of Manhattan, or an
>> > affordable part of Peoria? I think "no roommates" is unrealistic
>> > in many urban areas.
>> >
>> > A studio apartment in Manhattan is $2500 per month, or $30,000 per
>> > year. As an example of a low-paying job, let say a dishwasher in
>> > a restaurant. What restaurant could afford to pay a dishwasher
>> > enough that, after taxes, he could pay that much rent plus all
>> > other living expenses?
>> >
>> > You are simply not being realistic.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >
>> How can you expect a clueless person to be realistic?
>>
>> Jill
>
>LOL!

Don't encourage her, cshenkie.

On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 12:46:19 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 3:21:54 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like that one place was bad. The cuisine however is generally
> > loaded differently there so that may have been part of the issue you
> > had. True Hawaiian eating was based (like all) on what was available
> > and that meant more starch, fruit, and vegetable, and less meat
> > (includes fish there). Outside influences have shifted 'what the
> > starch etc. are', but the basic balance is still there.
> >
> > The rule of thumb is the average westerner will eat 1/2- 2/3 C rice
> > with a meal. The average Asian (includes Hawaii) will eat 1-2C *per
> > meal*.
> >
> > Although very area dependent in USA (excepting Hawaii), I think it's
> > fair to say as an average that most have rice once a month? A lot have
> > it more often but i think that balances with those who have it once a
> > year. In Hawaii and at least eastern Asia, it would be odd to have a
> > day without rice (and in parts of Asia, any meal without rice).
> >
> > The greens on that plate may have been kelp...
> >
> > --
>
> We go through a 20 lb bag every two months. We don't even eat that much rice these days.
>
> The green stuff under the fish was probably shredded cabbage. You're not supposed to eat that. That's typically the way it's served here. Back in the old days, it was to keep the oil from going through the paper plate in a plate lunch. In these days of styrofoam containers, I suppose it's to keep the hot oil from melting the plastic. It could also be just traditional.
>
> The practice has it's origin with the way the Japanese served fried foods.. These days, the Japanese will serve tempura on paper. The old school way is on a bed of finely shredded cabbage.
>
> http://www.tastyislandhawaii.com/ima...mahi_chips.jpg

I would definitely eat the cabbage, and leave about half of the fries
and perhaps all of the macaroni salad.

Cindy Hamilton

Bruce wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:50:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>>On 9/16/2017 7:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> What's the problem (not your problem, but in general) with having
>>> to have a roommate? I had three different roommates when I
>>> was younger (four, technically, since I shared an apartment with
>>> a boyfriend-girlfriend pair). Two of them were after I divorced
>>> my first husband and couldn't make ends meet without them. They
>>> were people I already knew, not some stranger answering a classified
>>> ad.
>>>
>>>> Maybe restaurant prices in Michigan have to go up. Maybe certain
>>>> things are so cheap because the poor are being exploited. Maybe there
>>>> shouldn't be such a thing as a $1 hamburger.
>>>
>>> Places with a $1 hamburger don't have dishwashers, because they don't
>>> have dishes. Places with a $10 hamburger probably pay their dishwashers
>>> above-average pay for dishwashers, to be able to hire the very best
>>> dishwasher they can.
>>>
>>> Of course the poor are exploited. That's nothing new. They are less
>>> exploited than at any other time in history.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>>Go back a generation. It was fairly common is some cities for entire
>>families to share apartments. It was also common to have
>>multi-generation families sharing a house.
>
> Not so long ago, we had slavery.

But Bruce, that was much longer ago than one generation.

Angie

On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 9:25:47 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
> Not so long ago, we had slavery.

The people of Hawaii are pretty much the descendants of slaves i.e., people imported for cheap labor. The plantation owners provided housing, food, medical care, and a rudimentary education. In the end, it was the slaves that made this state.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 9:25:47 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>> Not so long ago, we had slavery.
>
> The people of Hawaii are pretty much the descendants of slaves i.e.,
> people imported for cheap labor. The plantation owners provided housing,
> food, medical care, and a rudimentary education. In the end, it was the
> slaves that made this state.

====

Pretty much true of any place in the world at any place in time.

Cheri

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 14:18:11 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
>> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 9:25:47 AM UTC-10, Bruce wrote:
>>> Not so long ago, we had slavery.
>>
>> The people of Hawaii are pretty much the descendants of slaves i.e.,
>> people imported for cheap labor. The plantation owners provided housing,
>> food, medical care, and a rudimentary education. In the end, it was the
>> slaves that made this state.
>
>====
>
>Pretty much true of any place in the world at any place in time.

Are you saying Hawaii isn't speshul?

On 9/16/2017 3:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 14:27:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> On 9/16/2017 1:03 PM, Ding - Dong Daddy wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in workforce development, which means I assist low - income folks to get better jobs. You are correct, some are simply not able to function in even a lower - level job. Or, some are content with a lower - level job. I could go on and on about this subject, but I will spare y'all...
>>>
>> I've seen it. I know of a couple of people that are good at their jobs
>> and have been offered promotion but turned it down. They make enough
>> money to fill their modest needs and don't want the additional
>> responsibility. Early in my working life I was sometimes offered
>> overtime and took what I could get. Others would not work 10 minutes
>> past their 40 hours no matter how easy the job.
>
> Work and money are not that important to everybody.
>

True, and no matter how much they earn, some will be in debt so much
they cannot afford necessities. I know people that have more and do
more (travel, concerts, etc) than those making double the wage.

On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 11:18:39 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>
> Pretty much true of any place in the world at any place in time.
>
> Cheri

Is that relevant? Was your great grandfather brought over to America for cheap labor? If you're Chinese or black that could very well be true. How has this affected the people of your state?

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 17:27:41 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:

>On 9/16/2017 3:22 PM, Bruce wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 14:27:00 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/16/2017 1:03 PM, Ding - Dong Daddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm in workforce development, which means I assist low - income folks to get better jobs. You are correct, some are simply not able to function in even a lower - level job. Or, some are content with a lower - level job. I could go on and on about this subject, but I will spare y'all...
>>>>
>>> I've seen it. I know of a couple of people that are good at their jobs
>>> and have been offered promotion but turned it down. They make enough
>>> money to fill their modest needs and don't want the additional
>>> responsibility. Early in my working life I was sometimes offered
>>> overtime and took what I could get. Others would not work 10 minutes
>>> past their 40 hours no matter how easy the job.
>>
>> Work and money are not that important to everybody.
>>
>
>True, and no matter how much they earn, some will be in debt so much
>they cannot afford necessities. I know people that have more and do
>more (travel, concerts, etc) than those making double the wage.

I don't think everybody has to be ambitious or money driven, as long
as they hold up their own pants.

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 19:51:43 GMT, Angela >
wrote:

>Bruce wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:50:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>
>>>On 9/16/2017 7:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What's the problem (not your problem, but in general) with having
>>>> to have a roommate? I had three different roommates when I
>>>> was younger (four, technically, since I shared an apartment with
>>>> a boyfriend-girlfriend pair). Two of them were after I divorced
>>>> my first husband and couldn't make ends meet without them. They
>>>> were people I already knew, not some stranger answering a classified
>>>> ad.
>>>>
>>>>> Maybe restaurant prices in Michigan have to go up. Maybe certain
>>>>> things are so cheap because the poor are being exploited. Maybe there
>>>>> shouldn't be such a thing as a $1 hamburger.
>>>>
>>>> Places with a $1 hamburger don't have dishwashers, because they don't
>>>> have dishes. Places with a $10 hamburger probably pay their dishwashers
>>>> above-average pay for dishwashers, to be able to hire the very best
>>>> dishwasher they can.
>>>>
>>>> Of course the poor are exploited. That's nothing new. They are less
>>>> exploited than at any other time in history.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>
>>>Go back a generation. It was fairly common is some cities for entire
>>>families to share apartments. It was also common to have
>>>multi-generation families sharing a house.
>>
>> Not so long ago, we had slavery.
>
>But Bruce, that was much longer ago than one generation.

I'm not so sure about that!

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 11:18:39 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> Pretty much true of any place in the world at any place in time.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Is that relevant? Was your great grandfather brought over to America for
> cheap labor? If you're Chinese or black that could very well be true. How
> has this affected the people of your state?

========

Of course it's relevant. Lots of people have been used as cheap labor in
every place and time.

Cheri

On 9/16/2017 7:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 19:51:43 GMT, Angela >
> wrote:
>
>> Bruce wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:50:38 -0400, Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/16/2017 7:13 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What's the problem (not your problem, but in general) with having
>>>>> to have a roommate? I had three different roommates when I
>>>>> was younger (four, technically, since I shared an apartment with
>>>>> a boyfriend-girlfriend pair). Two of them were after I divorced
>>>>> my first husband and couldn't make ends meet without them. They
>>>>> were people I already knew, not some stranger answering a classified
>>>>> ad.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe restaurant prices in Michigan have to go up. Maybe certain
>>>>>> things are so cheap because the poor are being exploited. Maybe there
>>>>>> shouldn't be such a thing as a $1 hamburger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Places with a $1 hamburger don't have dishwashers, because they don't
>>>>> have dishes. Places with a $10 hamburger probably pay their dishwashers
>>>>> above-average pay for dishwashers, to be able to hire the very best
>>>>> dishwasher they can.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course the poor are exploited. That's nothing new. They are less
>>>>> exploited than at any other time in history.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Go back a generation. It was fairly common is some cities for entire
>>>> families to share apartments. It was also common to have
>>>> multi-generation families sharing a house.
>>>
>>> Not so long ago, we had slavery.
>>
>> But Bruce, that was much longer ago than one generation.
>
> I'm not so sure about that!
>

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...y-still-exists
What it says, in short, is this: According to Gallup surveys of 167
countries, there are 45.8 million slaves worldwide. Walk Free defines a
slave as someone owned, someone working as a forced laborer or
prostitute, someone in debt bondage or in a forced marriage. In a single
country €” India, which is the worst offender €” there are currently 18
and a half million slaves. To put that into perspective, there are six
and a half million more slaves in India right now than were imported to
North America, South America, Central America, and the Caribbean Islands
combined during the entire history of the transatlantic slave trade €”
373 years, from Columbuss discovery of the Americas to the end of the
Civil War.

Read more at:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...y-still-exists

On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 2:11:33 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>
> Of course it's relevant. Lots of people have been used as cheap labor in
> every place and time.
>
> Cheri

My point is that it's not relevant since it doesn't play a big part in your culture or family history - or does it?

jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/16/2017 12:40 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On 9/16/2017 10:30 AM, cshenk wrote:
>>>> LOL! I renewed my resume 4 months ago on Monster.com as it was
>>>> about to go away. Mind you I am happy with my job and while a
>>>> little underpaid for skill level and job in my area, it's not by
>>>> much and the job is so fun, willing to accept that.
>>>>
>>>> Good Lord! SPAM erupted! Most totally ignored that I was not
>>>> willing to relocate.
>>>>
>>>> 2 of hilarous note:
>>>> - Long Island (NYC) offer, 32k-42K
>>>> - DC offer, 35K-50K
>>>>
>>>> Now before you freak, most had no pay range and the others that did
>>>> were pretty reasonable for the areas. There were however a a
>>>> trending theme I have seen. They want to call something a 'Junior
>>>> ...' then add what takes 10-15 years work experience to aquire. By
>>>> calling it 'junior' they descale the pay but want far more than
>>>> starting skill levels.
>>>
>>> Those job search sites are a joke. They use bots to search for
>>> keywords in your resume and that's all they do. It doesn't matter if
>>> you specify you aren't willing to relocate. Or specifiy you're
>>> looking for a job within (for example) 25-50 miles. A reasonable
>>> commute. I'd get emails about jobs in Charleston (125 miles away) or
>>> Columbia, SC (much further than that). One job might have been
>>> great, except I'm not moving to Pennsylvania!
>>>
>>> Even if local, the "matches" were ridiculous. Sorry, I said clerical
>>> work. I'm not an auto body mechanic. LOL
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> I'm with ya Jill! My favorites have india sounding names, say I am a
>> match and to send them an updated resume for more information.
>>
> Yes indeed! Someone named (e.g) Patak or Patel [whatever] emails me
> once in a while, says found you a match! Uh, no you didn't. Those
> jobs are always temporary assignments (but might turn into permanent!)
> in another state. Sorry, I'm not interested.
>
> Jill

What happened to your job at the car repair shop?

dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 3:21:54 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like that one place was bad. The cuisine however is
> > generally loaded differently there so that may have been part of
> > the issue you had. True Hawaiian eating was based (like all) on
> > what was available and that meant more starch, fruit, and
> > vegetable, and less meat (includes fish there). Outside influences
> > have shifted 'what the starch etc. are', but the basic balance is
> > still there.
> >
> > The rule of thumb is the average westerner will eat 1/2- 2/3 C rice
> > with a meal. The average Asian (includes Hawaii) will eat 1-2C *per
> > meal*.
> >
> > Although very area dependent in USA (excepting Hawaii), I think it's
> > fair to say as an average that most have rice once a month? A lot
> > have it more often but i think that balances with those who have it
> > once a year. In Hawaii and at least eastern Asia, it would be odd
> > to have a day without rice (and in parts of Asia, any meal without
> > rice).
> >
> > The greens on that plate may have been kelp...
> >
> > --
>
> We go through a 20 lb bag every two months. We don't even eat that
> much rice these days.
>
> The green stuff under the fish was probably shredded cabbage. You're
> not supposed to eat that. That's typically the way it's served here.
> Back in the old days, it was to keep the oil from going through the
> paper plate in a plate lunch. In these days of styrofoam containers,
> I suppose it's to keep the hot oil from melting the plastic. It could
> also be just traditional.
>
> The practice has it's origin with the way the Japanese served fried
> foods. These days, the Japanese will serve tempura on paper. The old
> school way is on a bed of finely shredded cabbage.
>
> http://www.tastyislandhawaii.com/ima...pys_mahi_chips.
> jpg

We 3 go through 10 lbs rice a month. On the cabbage, that works too!

--

jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On 9/16/2017 12:40 PM, cshenk wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > On 9/16/2017 10:30 AM, cshenk wrote:
> > > > LOL! I renewed my resume 4 months ago on Monster.com as it was
> > > > about to go away. Mind you I am happy with my job and while a
> > > > little underpaid for skill level and job in my area, it's not by
> > > > much and the job is so fun, willing to accept that.
> > > >
> > > > Good Lord! SPAM erupted! Most totally ignored that I was not
> > > > willing to relocate.
> > > >
> > > > 2 of hilarous note:
> > > > - Long Island (NYC) offer, 32k-42K
> > > > - DC offer, 35K-50K
> > > >
> > > > Now before you freak, most had no pay range and the others that
> > > > did were pretty reasonable for the areas. There were however a a
> > > > trending theme I have seen. They want to call something a
> > > > 'Junior ...' then add what takes 10-15 years work experience to
> > > > aquire. By calling it 'junior' they descale the pay but want
> > > > far more than starting skill levels.
> > >
> > > Those job search sites are a joke. They use bots to search for
> > > keywords in your resume and that's all they do. It doesn't
> > > matter if you specify you aren't willing to relocate. Or
> > > specifiy you're looking for a job within (for example) 25-50
> > > miles. A reasonable commute. I'd get emails about jobs in
> > > Charleston (125 miles away) or Columbia, SC (much further than
> > > that). One job might have been great, except I'm not moving to
> > > Pennsylvania!
> > >
> > > Even if local, the "matches" were ridiculous. Sorry, I said
> > > clerical work. I'm not an auto body mechanic. LOL
> > >
> > > Jill
> >
> > I'm with ya Jill! My favorites have india sounding names, say I am a
> > match and to send them an updated resume for more information.
> >
> Yes indeed! Someone named (e.g) Patak or Patel [whatever] emails me
> once in a while, says found you a match! Uh, no you didn't. Those
> jobs are always temporary assignments (but might turn into
> permanent!) in another state. Sorry, I'm not interested.
>
> Jill

I know the one you mean. listed him as spam a bit ago.

--

Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:30:01 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>
> > jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> >> On 9/15/2017 4:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> > On Friday, September 15, 2017 at 3:53:36 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> >> >>On Fri, 15 Sep 2017 15:40:38 -0400, Gary >
> wrote: >> > >
> >> > > > Bruce wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I think that's wrong. If it was a full-time job, you should
> >> > > > > have been able to live modestly of it at least. Full-time
> >> > > > > means you give all your working hours. I think that should
> >> > > > > mean you can live off it.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If you are uneducated and unskilled and accept a minimum wage
> >> > > > job, you can live fine but you have to adapt to the
> situation. >> > > > Live with roommates to split monthly costs, etc.
> >> > >
> >> > > No, not roommates! A little 1 bedroom apartment in an
> affordable >> > > part of town.
> >> >
> >> > Would that be an affordable part of Manhattan, or an
> >> > affordable part of Peoria? I think "no roommates" is unrealistic
> >> > in many urban areas.
> >> >
> >> > A studio apartment in Manhattan is $2500 per month, or $30,000
> per >> > year. As an example of a low-paying job, let say a
> dishwasher in >> > a restaurant. What restaurant could afford to pay
> a dishwasher >> > enough that, after taxes, he could pay that much
> rent plus all >> > other living expenses?
> >> >
> >> > You are simply not being realistic.
> >> >
> >> > Cindy Hamilton
> >> >
> >> How can you expect a clueless person to be realistic?
> >>
> >> Jill
> >
> > LOL!
>
> Don't encourage her, cshenkie.

Pull you head out of your ass before you drown 'brucie'

--

On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 22:32:55 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

>Bruce wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>
>> On Sat, 16 Sep 2017 09:30:01 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >
>> >> On 9/15/2017 4:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> >> > You are simply not being realistic.
>> >> >
>> >> > Cindy Hamilton
>> >> >
>> >> How can you expect a clueless person to be realistic?
>> >>
>> >> Jill
>> >
>> > LOL!
>>
>> Don't encourage her, cshenkie.
>
>Pull you head out of your ass before you drown 'brucie'

I thought you knew better than to enable Jill when she's trolling. You
being all Internet savvy and all.

On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>
> We 3 go through 10 lbs rice a month. On the cabbage, that works too!
>
> --

That's a lot of rice. Congrats! People here are getting all self-righteous about how we eat excessive amounts of starches but it hasn't hurt our health none. We have a higher life expectancy than most of the US. It looks like we get the last laugh. Our secret for a long life? Spam.

On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 9:45:49 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 2:11:33 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >
> > Of course it's relevant. Lots of people have been used as cheap labor in
> > every place and time.
> >
> > Cheri
>
> My point is that it's not relevant since it doesn't play a big part in your culture or family history - or does it?

Not all of us are enslaved to our family history. I'm pretty sure I had
a couple of ancestors who were transported to Virginia or came as
indentured servants, but it plays no part in my life.

Cindy Hamilton

On 9/16/2017 8:11 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 11:18:39 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>> Pretty much true of any place in the world at any place in time.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Is that relevant? Was your great grandfather brought over to America
>> for cheap labor? If you're Chinese or black that could very well be
>> true. How has this affected the people of your state?
>
> ========
>
> Of course it's relevant. Lots of people have been used as cheap labor in
> every place and time.
>
> Cheri

A couple of my McQuown (Scottish) ancestors were captured in battle and
transported to "the colonies" (N. America) in 1679. They fought on the
wrong side of a religious war against the Crown. They were sold as
indentured servants to a planter in Virginia. During the crossing the
captain of the ship died. The second in command was a sympathizer. He
changed the course of the ship and landed them in Amboy, NJ (now known
as Perth Amboy). By all historical accounts, indentured servants were
treated no differently than any black slave on plantations. The
difference, of course, was if they survived X-number of years (10 was a
good round number) in servitude they'd regain their freedom... in a
strange land with no money or means.

Jill

On 9/17/2017 2:55 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>
>> We 3 go through 10 lbs rice a month. On the cabbage, that works too!
>>
>> --
>
> That's a lot of rice. Congrats! People here are getting all self-righteous about how we eat excessive amounts of starches but it hasn't hurt our health none. We have a higher life expectancy than most of the US. It looks like we get the last laugh. Our secret for a long life? Spam.
>

We rarely had rice as kids and we still don't have much today. I'd say
we go through 3 or 4 pounds a year. I grew up on potatoes, my wife on
pasta.

Rarely is it plain white rice too. Usually, it is a pilaf or risotto.

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>
> We 3 go through 10 lbs rice a month. On the cabbage, that works too!
>
> --

That's a lot of rice. Congrats! People here are getting all self-righteous
about how we eat excessive amounts of starches but it hasn't hurt our health
none. We have a higher life expectancy than most of the US. It looks like we
get the last laugh. Our secret for a long life? Spam.

========

"Diabetes affects nearly 26 million Americans, but the Native Hawaiian and
Pacific Islander community is at particular risk. In fact, Native Hawaiians
and Pacific Islanders are more than three times more likely to be diagnosed
with diabetes, compared to non-Hispanic whites. This is due to higher rates
of risk factors such as being overweight and obesity, high blood pressure,
high cholesterol, and smoking. Within the U.S. Pacific Islands themselves,
the prevalence of overweight and obesity exceeds 90 percent and diabetes
approaches 50 percent in some areas."

"Cheri" wrote in message news
"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>
> We 3 go through 10 lbs rice a month. On the cabbage, that works too!
>
> --

That's a lot of rice. Congrats! People here are getting all self-righteous
about how we eat excessive amounts of starches but it hasn't hurt our health
none. We have a higher life expectancy than most of the US. It looks like we
get the last laugh. Our secret for a long life? Spam.

========

"Diabetes affects nearly 26 million Americans, but the Native Hawaiian and
Pacific Islander community is at particular risk. In fact, Native Hawaiians
and Pacific Islanders are more than three times more likely to be diagnosed
with diabetes, compared to non-Hispanic whites. This is due to higher rates
of risk factors such as being overweight and obesity, high blood pressure,
high cholesterol, and smoking. Within the U.S. Pacific Islands themselves,
the prevalence of overweight and obesity exceeds 90 percent and diabetes
approaches 50 percent in some areas."

==

It was always potatoes with everything when I was growing up. Not so much
now, but still a lot.

I don't suppose potatoes and rice are so different in that way. I still opt
for potatoes when there is the option




--
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk

Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>
> We rarely had rice as kids and we still don't have much today. I'd say
> we go through 3 or 4 pounds a year. I grew up on potatoes, my wife on
> pasta.

I rarely cook rice too. Mostly only when i cook Chinese food. I
love it but rarely cook it myself. Much easier to get take out.

Speaking of Chinese - they tore down my nearby Arbys and have
been remodeling to open a "Beijing Express." It should be open by
now but I haven't checked. Anyone tried their food? Good, bad?

Used to have one of these "fast food" chinese places years ago
and we absolutely loved the food. I even suspect this is the same
business using a new name. Even the 2 websites, the menus are the
same.

On 2017-09-17 9:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/16/2017 8:11 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message

> A couple of my McQuown (Scottish) ancestors were captured in battle and
> transported to "the colonies" (N. America) in 1679.Â* They fought on the
> wrong side of a religious war against the Crown.Â* They were sold as
> indentured servants to a planter in Virginia.Â* During the crossing the
> captain of the ship died.Â* The second in command was a sympathizer.Â* He
> changed the course of the ship and landed them in Amboy, NJ (now known
> as Perth Amboy).Â* By all historical accounts, indentured servants were
> treated no differently than any black slave on plantations.Â* The
> difference, of course, was if they survived X-number of years (10 was a
> good round number) in servitude they'd regain their freedom... in a
> strange land with no money or means.


It's odd that so many people think of Australia has having been a penal
colony. That didn't happen until after American independence, because
convicts used to be shipped to the American colonies. After independence
they had to find another place to transport them.

Gary wrote:
>
> Speaking of Chinese - they tore down my nearby Arbys and have
> been remodeling to open a "Beijing Express." It should be open by
> now but I haven't checked. Anyone tried their food? Good, bad?
>
> Used to have one of these "fast food" chinese places years ago
> and we absolutely loved the food. I even suspect this is the same
> business using a new name. Even the 2 websites, the menus are the
> same.

Oh WAIT!

I just realized that "Beijing Express" was the name of the old
one I liked. The new one here is "Panda Express." As I said
though, it seems to be the same with a different name.

On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:15:02 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Gary wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of Chinese - they tore down my nearby Arbys and have
>> been remodeling to open a "Beijing Express." It should be open by
>> now but I haven't checked. Anyone tried their food? Good, bad?
>>
>> Used to have one of these "fast food" chinese places years ago
>> and we absolutely loved the food. I even suspect this is the same
>> business using a new name. Even the 2 websites, the menus are the
>> same.
>
>Oh WAIT!
>
>I just realized that "Beijing Express" was the name of the old
>one I liked. The new one here is "Panda Express." As I said
>though, it seems to be the same with a different name.

We have a Panda Buffet here, it's the choice of my great grandchildren
for the birthday meal. The oldest, 16, finally chose somewhere else
because she considered it 'babyish' - the food is good, they even have
good sushi, but it's more what I would call NA Chinese food

On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 10:14:03 AM UTC-5, Gary wrote:
>
> Oh WAIT!
>
> I just realized that "Beijing Express" was the name of the old
> one I liked. The new one here is "Panda Express." As I said
> though, it seems to be the same with a different name.
>
>
When you try the Panda Express report back to us if you liked
or disliked it. I've been to 2 or 3 over the couple of years
and for the life of me I can't understand how something can
look so fresh and appealing but be completely tasteless.

No amount of soy sauce, duck sauce, any sauce produced a drop
of flavor.

On 9/17/2017 11:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-09-17 9:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 9/16/2017 8:11 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>
>> A couple of my McQuown (Scottish) ancestors were captured in battle
>> and transported to "the colonies" (N. America) in 1679.Â* They fought
>> on the wrong side of a religious war against the Crown.Â* They were
>> sold as indentured servants to a planter in Virginia.Â* During the
>> crossing the captain of the ship died.Â* The second in command was a
>> sympathizer.Â* He changed the course of the ship and landed them in
>> Amboy, NJ (now known as Perth Amboy).Â* By all historical accounts,
>> indentured servants were treated no differently than any black slave
>> on plantations.Â* The difference, of course, was if they survived
>> X-number of years (10 was a good round number) in servitude they'd
>> regain their freedom... in a strange land with no money or means.
>
>
> It's odd that so many people think of Australia has having been a penal
> colony.Â* That didn't happen until after American independence, because
> convicts used to be shipped to the American colonies. After independence
> they had to find another place to transport them.

Botany Bay was founded as a penal colony in 1770:

http://tinyurl.com/y9lr5tnt

"Lieutenant James Cook first landed at Kurnell, on the southern banks of
Botany Bay, on Sunday 29 April 1770, when navigating his way up the east
coast of Australia on his ship, HMS Endeavour. ... Two days later the
remaining ships of the First Fleet arrived to found the planned penal
colony."

I suspect after that it was a shorter route to North America and there
were already established towns and plantations in colonies to tax!

The Revolutionery War took place right around that time but my family
had already put down roots in Pennsylvania by then. They were given
land grants by Sir William Penn (a rich Quaker) who observed in his
diaries "The Scots are a hard working family and very good farmers."

And so, we came to what is now the United States of America. It's nice
that I know the history that far back. Many people don't.

Jill

On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 4:15:02 AM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>
> "Diabetes affects nearly 26 million Americans, but the Native Hawaiian and
> Pacific Islander community is at particular risk. In fact, Native Hawaiians
> and Pacific Islanders are more than three times more likely to be diagnosed
> with diabetes, compared to non-Hispanic whites. This is due to higher rates
> of risk factors such as being overweight and obesity, high blood pressure,
> high cholesterol, and smoking. Within the U.S. Pacific Islands themselves,
> the prevalence of overweight and obesity exceeds 90 percent and diabetes
> approaches 50 percent in some areas."

I'm aware of what goes on around here and that statement is probably correct. This still doesn't change the fact that we have the highest life expectancy and the lowest obesity stats of all the states in the union.

On 9/17/2017 10:03 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>> We 3 go through 10 lbs rice a month. On the cabbage, that works too!
>>>
>>> --
>>
> We rarely had rice as kids and we still don't have much today.Â* I'd say
> we go through 3 or 4 pounds a year.Â* I grew up on potatoes, my wife on
> pasta.
>
> Rarely is it plain white rice too.Â* Usually, it is a pilaf or risotto.

I didn't grow up eating rice. Then we moved to Bangkok. It was the
first thing I learned to cook on a stovetop. I made it occasionally for
breakfast with butter, S&P. My parents were asleep and I was hungry.

I do not eat a lot of rice. Probably not even a pound of it a year.

Growing up, Mom used 'Minute Rice'. In later life she bought
boil-in-bags of rice called Success:

https://www.successrice.com/en-us/pr...WhiteRice.aspx

I think she mostly cooked rice because my father liked it. He always
was fond of SE Asian food. Mom couldn't abide it, much less cook it.

Jill

On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 1:48:49 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Not all of us are enslaved to our family history. I'm pretty sure I had
> a couple of ancestors who were transported to Virginia or came as
> indentured servants, but it plays no part in my life.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

You're repeating what I just said. That's fairly annoying.

On Sunday, September 17, 2017 at 4:55:21 AM UTC-10, Gary wrote:
> Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> >
> > We rarely had rice as kids and we still don't have much today. I'd say
> > we go through 3 or 4 pounds a year. I grew up on potatoes, my wife on
> > pasta.
>
> I rarely cook rice too. Mostly only when i cook Chinese food. I
> love it but rarely cook it myself. Much easier to get take out.
>
> Speaking of Chinese - they tore down my nearby Arbys and have
> been remodeling to open a "Beijing Express." It should be open by
> now but I haven't checked. Anyone tried their food? Good, bad?
>
> Used to have one of these "fast food" chinese places years ago
> and we absolutely loved the food. I even suspect this is the same
> business using a new name. Even the 2 websites, the menus are the
> same.

Those Arby's sandwiches are pretty good. Not the old ones, the new ones. We got 6 Chinese restaurants in this little town but no Arby's. Does this seem fair? No it does not.

On 9/17/2017 10:14 AM, Cheri wrote:
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>
>> We 3 go through 10 lbs rice a month. On the cabbage, that works too!
>>
>> --
>
> That's a lot of rice. Congrats! People here are getting all
> self-righteous about how we eat excessive amounts of starches but it
> hasn't hurt our health none. We have a higher life expectancy than most
> of the US. It looks like we get the last laugh. Our secret for a long
> life? Spam.
>
> ========
>
> "Diabetes affects nearly 26 million Americans, but the Native Hawaiian
> and Pacific Islander community is at particular risk. In fact, Native
> Hawaiians and Pacific Islanders are more than three times more likely to
> be diagnosed with diabetes, compared to non-Hispanic whites. This is due
> to higher rates of risk factors such as being overweight and obesity,
> high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and smoking. Within the U.S.
> Pacific Islands themselves, the prevalence of overweight and obesity
> exceeds 90 percent and diabetes approaches 50 percent in some areas."

Here's a big fat obese Hawaiian, great voice. Israel Kamakawiwo'Ole

He died too young

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bFr2SWP1I

I've no doubt his excessive weight and other factors contributed to his
heart giving out.

Jill

On 2017-09-17 1:36 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/17/2017 11:09 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-09-17 9:58 AM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 9/16/2017 8:11 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>>
>>> A couple of my McQuown (Scottish) ancestors were captured in battle
>>> and transported to "the colonies" (N. America) in 1679.Â* They fought
>>> on the wrong side of a religious war against the Crown.Â* They were
>>> sold as indentured servants to a planter in Virginia.Â* During the
>>> crossing the captain of the ship died.Â* The second in command was a
>>> sympathizer.Â* He changed the course of the ship and landed them in
>>> Amboy, NJ (now known as Perth Amboy).Â* By all historical accounts,
>>> indentured servants were treated no differently than any black slave
>>> on plantations.Â* The difference, of course, was if they survived
>>> X-number of years (10 was a good round number) in servitude they'd
>>> regain their freedom... in a strange land with no money or means.
>>
>>
>> It's odd that so many people think of Australia has having been a
>> penal colony.Â* That didn't happen until after American independence,
>> because convicts used to be shipped to the American colonies. After
>> independence they had to find another place to transport them.
>
> Botany Bay was founded as a penal colony in 1770:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/y9lr5tnt
>
> "Lieutenant James Cook first landed at Kurnell, on the southern banks of
> Botany Bay, on Sunday 29 April 1770, when navigating his way up the east
> coast of Australia on his ship, HMS Endeavour. ... Two days later the
> remaining ships of the First Fleet arrived to found the planned penal
> colony."
>


The ..... indicates a huge yada yada yada because it goes on to talk
about 18 years later, in 1788, the First Fleet arrived to set up the
penal colony.


> I suspect after that it was a shorter route to North America and there
> were already established towns and plantations in colonies to tax!
>
> The Revolutionery War took place right around that time but my family
> had already put down roots in Pennsylvania by then.Â* They were given
> land grants by Sir William Penn (a rich Quaker) who observed in his
> diaries "The Scots are a hard working family and very good farmers."
>
> And so, we came to what is now the United States of America.Â* It's nice
> that I know the history that far back.Â* Many people don't.

My Scottish ancestors came over somewhere after that and met in the
1780s. My German ancestor was a Hessian who fought the rebels in NY and
decommissioned in Quebec.

On 2017-09-17 2:08 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/17/2017 10:14 AM, Cheri wrote:
>> "dsi1" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> On Saturday, September 16, 2017 at 5:19:03 PM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>> We 3 go through 10 lbs rice a month. On the cabbage, that works too!
>>>
>>> --
>>
>> That's a lot of rice. Congrats! People here are getting all
>> self-righteous about how we eat excessive amounts of starches but it
>> hasn't hurt our health none. We have a higher life expectancy than
>> most of the US. It looks like we get the last laugh. Our secret for a
>> long life? Spam.
>>
>> ========
>>
>> "Diabetes affects nearly 26 million Americans, but the Native Hawaiian
>> and Pacific Islander community is at particular risk. In fact, Native
>> Hawaiians and Pacific Islanders are more than three times more likely
>> to be diagnosed with diabetes, compared to non-Hispanic whites. This
>> is due to higher rates of risk factors such as being overweight and
>> obesity, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and smoking. Within
>> the U.S. Pacific Islands themselves, the prevalence of overweight and
>> obesity exceeds 90 percent and diabetes approaches 50 percent in some
>> areas."
>
> Here's a big fat obese Hawaiian, great voice.Â* Israel Kamakawiwo'Ole
>
> He died too young
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1bFr2SWP1I
>
> I've no doubt his excessive weight and other factors contributed to his
> heart giving out.
>

I thought it was ironic that they played that music in my cardiac rehab
sessions. The guy had been morbidly obese, weighing in at more than 750
pounds.