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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:31:48 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
.... > > So you settled on a price. That's fine. Is it under contract or can > they pull out after the work you pay for is done? Yes we have a sale contract closing contingent on passing that Occupancy Permit Inspection. I have a competent subcontractor Old World Roofing and a signed repair and RESTORE estimate of this red clay tile roof repair and RESTORE! It;'sd gonna look GREAT! And LAST! 10 year no leak warranty and I'm gonna watch it! I will have to get a video drone to inspect it. John Kuthe... |
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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote: > > On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 12:29:32 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: > >> On 9/22/2017 11:58 AM, Casa de Masa wrote: > >>> On 9/22/2017 9:28 AM, John Kuthe wrote: > >>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote: > >>>> ... > >>>>> Don't we have a "sell as it is" thing here? Owner doesn't want to > >>>>> improve anything, just sell. And buyer knows about the required > >>>>> things to fix. They pay less and fix up themselves. Is this not > >>>>> true? > >>>>> > >>>>> If a seller just want's to unload a house, there should be no > >>>>> govt requirement to fix things first as long as the problems are > >>>>> stated out front and the buyer agrees to it (and the reduced > >>>>> price) > >>>> If the house was NOT OCCUPIED this MAY have been the case. But because > >>>> it IS occupied this house must pass an Occupancy Permit INspection > >>>> before being legally transferred to a buyer's possession, in this case > >>>> ME! And because the cheap Chinese landlord(s) just want to get out > >>>> from under this house for as much cash as they can get, we settled on > >>>> a cash as-is sale price of $108,000! > >>>> > >>>> Why is it SO HARD for folks here to understand that? The cheap Chinese > >>>> landlord(s) don't want to put any money into this house to "fix it up" > >>>> and I DO! > >>>> > >>>> In fact I just signed a roofing "repair and RESTORE" estimate for > >>>> $113,671 from Old World Roofing company here in STL who DOES restore > >>>> these old red clay tile roofs like we have a lot of here in STL!! See? > >>>> > >>>> http://oldworldroofingco.com/Home_Page.html > >>>> > >>>> John Kuthe... > >>>> > >>> OMG!!!! > >>> > >>> You put MORE into the roof than the whole house? > >>> > >>> Dude, you're underwater right NOW! > >> Maybe once restored it will be worth $500,000. > > No, not that much. My buyer's agent ran "comps" on properties in my area of Bel Nor and NO PROPERTIES in the area came up to $500,000. Maybe $200,000ish. > > > > But it's gonna ROCK! And last! And look VERY COOL! > > > > John Kuthe... > > So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad > economics. It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!! https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7 John Kuthe... |
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On 9/22/2017 3:01 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 12:46:26p, Casa de Masa told us... > >> On 9/22/2017 12:54 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >>> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 08:58:40a, Casa de Masa told us... >>> >>>> On 9/22/2017 9:28 AM, John Kuthe wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Gary >>>>> wrote: ... >>>>>> Don't we have a "sell as it is" thing here? Owner doesn't want >>>>>> to improve anything, just sell. And buyer knows about the >>>>>> required things to fix. They pay less and fix up themselves. >>>>>> Is this not true? >>>>>> >>>>>> If a seller just want's to unload a house, there should be no >>>>>> govt requirement to fix things first as long as the problems >>>>>> are stated out front and the buyer agrees to it (and the >>>>>> reduced price) >>>>> >>>>> If the house was NOT OCCUPIED this MAY have been the case. But >>>>> because it IS occupied this house must pass an Occupancy Permit >>>>> INspection before being legally transferred to a buyer's >>>>> possession, in this case ME! And because the cheap Chinese >>>>> landlord(s) just want to get out from under this house for as >>>>> much cash as they can get, we settled on a cash as-is sale >>>>> price of $108,000! >>>>> >>>>> Why is it SO HARD for folks here to understand that? The cheap >>>>> Chinese landlord(s) don't want to put any money into this house >>>>> to "fix it up" and I DO! >>>>> >>>>> In fact I just signed a roofing "repair and RESTORE" estimate >>>>> for $113,671 from Old World Roofing company here in STL who >>>>> DOES restore these old red clay tile roofs like we have a lot >>>>> of here in STL!! See? >>>>> >>>>> http://oldworldroofingco.com/Home_Page.html >>>>> >>>>> John Kuthe... >>>>> >>>> >>>> OMG!!!! >>>> >>>> You put MORE into the roof than the whole house? >>>> >>>> Dude, you're underwater right NOW! >>>> >>> >>> What a chump! >>> >> >> I'm shocked that anyone would charge that for a clay tile roof. >> >> You have plenty of those in AZ. Wayne - how on earth can it cost >> over $100K to replace? >> > > Yes, we do, and I'm quite sure they don't cost that much anywhere in > AZ, especially for a house as small as John's. However, when we > lived in Cleveland it was relatively uncommon to have either a clay > tile or slate tile roof, and forwhever reason they were very costly. > I haven't followed the Saga of John in enough detail to know where he > lives. I think it's a historic district of sorts. > One factor, if he doesn't presently have a clay tile roof is the > structural support a tile roof will require compared to a shingle > roofing. That can increase the cost considerably. I think he has clay that needs restoration. The cost on that one blew me away! |
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On 9/22/2017 3:43 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 12:29:32 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> On 9/22/2017 11:58 AM, Casa de Masa wrote: >>> On 9/22/2017 9:28 AM, John Kuthe wrote: >>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote: >>>> ... >>>>> Don't we have a "sell as it is" thing here? Owner doesn't want to >>>>> improve anything, just sell. And buyer knows about the required >>>>> things to fix. They pay less and fix up themselves. Is this not >>>>> true? >>>>> >>>>> If a seller just want's to unload a house, there should be no >>>>> govt requirement to fix things first as long as the problems are >>>>> stated out front and the buyer agrees to it (and the reduced >>>>> price) >>>> >>>> If the house was NOT OCCUPIED this MAY have been the case. But because >>>> it IS occupied this house must pass an Occupancy Permit INspection >>>> before being legally transferred to a buyer's possession, in this case >>>> ME! And because the cheap Chinese landlord(s) just want to get out >>>> from under this house for as much cash as they can get, we settled on >>>> a cash as-is sale price of $108,000! >>>> >>>> Why is it SO HARD for folks here to understand that? The cheap Chinese >>>> landlord(s) don't want to put any money into this house to "fix it up" >>>> and I DO! >>>> >>>> In fact I just signed a roofing "repair and RESTORE" estimate for >>>> $113,671 from Old World Roofing company here in STL who DOES restore >>>> these old red clay tile roofs like we have a lot of here in STL!! See? >>>> >>>> http://oldworldroofingco.com/Home_Page.html >>>> >>>> John Kuthe... >>>> >>> >>> OMG!!!! >>> >>> You put MORE into the roof than the whole house? >>> >>> Dude, you're underwater right NOW! >> >> Maybe once restored it will be worth $500,000. > > No, not that much. My buyer's agent ran "comps" on properties in my area of Bel Nor and NO PROPERTIES in the area came up to $500,000. Maybe $200,000ish. > > But it's gonna ROCK! And last! And look VERY COOL! > > John Kuthe... > If your comps are $200 K that roof puts you under water. Think about a less pricey bid, you did get 3, right???? |
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On 9/22/2017 5:32 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message > ... > >> I can't help but connect this to my experience with my manic >> depressive cousin. I had been PoA for her mother because her parents >> knew she was not competent, so I knew how much the estate was worth. >> My brother was the executor of her estate and the two of us tried to >> talk her into letting us set up a trust account for her.* She blew her >> money on a car and an unwinterized cottage that she thought would make >> a nice home. Now she is back to living on welfare and living in flop >> houses. > > Good lord, do you have any relatives that you don't talk trash about? I > wonder what they must think of you, never mind, I'm sure I know already. > > Cheri + 1 |
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On 9/22/2017 6:00 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> That Chinese mamon-worshipper is laughing all the way to the bank. Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ost > 3/18/2011 3:49 PM Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles. -sw --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away. There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.centraltexasfoodbank.org...ntation-057jpg Hide the Ho Ho's!!!!!!!!!! |
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On 9/22/2017 6:40 PM, Alex wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote: >> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 12:29:32 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>> On 9/22/2017 11:58 AM, Casa de Masa wrote: >>>> On 9/22/2017 9:28 AM, John Kuthe wrote: >>>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote: >>>>> ... >>>>>> Don't we have a "sell as it is" thing here? Owner doesn't want to >>>>>> improve anything, just sell. And buyer knows about the required >>>>>> things to fix. They pay less and fix up themselves. Is this not >>>>>> true? >>>>>> >>>>>> If a seller just want's to unload a house, there should be no >>>>>> govt requirement to fix things first as long as the problems are >>>>>> stated out front and the buyer agrees to it (and the reduced >>>>>> price) >>>>> If the house was NOT OCCUPIED this MAY have been the case. But because >>>>> it IS occupied this house must pass an Occupancy Permit INspection >>>>> before being legally transferred to a buyer's possession, in this case >>>>> ME! And because the cheap Chinese landlord(s) just want to get out >>>>> from under this house for as much cash as they can get, we settled on >>>>> a cash as-is sale price of $108,000! >>>>> >>>>> Why is it SO HARD for folks here to understand that? The cheap Chinese >>>>> landlord(s) don't want to put any money into this house to "fix it up" >>>>> and I DO! >>>>> >>>>> In fact I just signed a roofing "repair and RESTORE" estimate for >>>>> $113,671 from Old World Roofing company here in STL who DOES restore >>>>> these old red clay tile roofs like we have a lot of here in STL!! See? >>>>> >>>>> http://oldworldroofingco.com/Home_Page.html >>>>> >>>>> John Kuthe... >>>>> >>>> OMG!!!! >>>> >>>> You put MORE into the roof than the whole house? >>>> >>>> Dude, you're underwater right NOW! >>> Maybe once restored it will be worth $500,000. >> No, not that much. My buyer's agent ran "comps" on properties in my >> area of Bel Nor and NO PROPERTIES in the area came up to $500,000. >> Maybe $200,000ish. >> >> But it's gonna ROCK! And last! And look VERY COOL! >> >> John Kuthe... > > So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K?Â* That's bad > economics. > Ayup. |
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On 9/22/2017 7:41 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:31:48 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: > ... >> >> So you settled on a price. That's fine. Is it under contract or can >> they pull out after the work you pay for is done? > > Yes we have a sale contract closing contingent on passing that Occupancy Permit Inspection. I have a competent subcontractor Old World Roofing and a signed repair and RESTORE estimate of this red clay tile roof repair and RESTORE! > > It;'sd gonna look GREAT! And LAST! 10 year no leak warranty and I'm gonna watch it! I will have to get a video drone to inspect it. > > John Kuthe... > https://www.bbb.org/stlouis/business...s-mo-310018087 A+ rated = good choice, but PRICEY!!! |
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On 9/22/2017 7:44 PM, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: >> John Kuthe wrote: >>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 12:29:32 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >>>> On 9/22/2017 11:58 AM, Casa de Masa wrote: >>>>> On 9/22/2017 9:28 AM, John Kuthe wrote: >>>>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote: >>>>>> ... >>>>>>> Don't we have a "sell as it is" thing here? Owner doesn't want to >>>>>>> improve anything, just sell. And buyer knows about the required >>>>>>> things to fix. They pay less and fix up themselves. Is this not >>>>>>> true? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If a seller just want's to unload a house, there should be no >>>>>>> govt requirement to fix things first as long as the problems are >>>>>>> stated out front and the buyer agrees to it (and the reduced >>>>>>> price) >>>>>> If the house was NOT OCCUPIED this MAY have been the case. But because >>>>>> it IS occupied this house must pass an Occupancy Permit INspection >>>>>> before being legally transferred to a buyer's possession, in this case >>>>>> ME! And because the cheap Chinese landlord(s) just want to get out >>>>>> from under this house for as much cash as they can get, we settled on >>>>>> a cash as-is sale price of $108,000! >>>>>> >>>>>> Why is it SO HARD for folks here to understand that? The cheap Chinese >>>>>> landlord(s) don't want to put any money into this house to "fix it up" >>>>>> and I DO! >>>>>> >>>>>> In fact I just signed a roofing "repair and RESTORE" estimate for >>>>>> $113,671 from Old World Roofing company here in STL who DOES restore >>>>>> these old red clay tile roofs like we have a lot of here in STL!! See? >>>>>> >>>>>> http://oldworldroofingco.com/Home_Page.html >>>>>> >>>>>> John Kuthe... >>>>>> >>>>> OMG!!!! >>>>> >>>>> You put MORE into the roof than the whole house? >>>>> >>>>> Dude, you're underwater right NOW! >>>> Maybe once restored it will be worth $500,000. >>> No, not that much. My buyer's agent ran "comps" on properties in my area of Bel Nor and NO PROPERTIES in the area came up to $500,000. Maybe $200,000ish. >>> >>> But it's gonna ROCK! And last! And look VERY COOL! >>> >>> John Kuthe... >> >> So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad >> economics. > > It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!! > > https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7 > > John Kuthe... > It is quite attractive! But the roof looks fine from the pic - where is over $100K in repairs at? |
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote: >On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: >> So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad >> economics. > >It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!! > >https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7 It looks alright, but it could be a bit gloomy on the inside with so few and such small windows, no? |
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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 3:41:50 PM UTC-10, John Kuthe wrote:
> > Yes we have a sale contract closing contingent on passing that Occupancy Permit Inspection. I have a competent subcontractor Old World Roofing and a signed repair and RESTORE estimate of this red clay tile roof repair and RESTORE! > > It;'sd gonna look GREAT! And LAST! 10 year no leak warranty and I'm gonna watch it! I will have to get a video drone to inspect it. > > John Kuthe... If you can't get it up to code, you have no sale? I see a lawsuit in your future. |
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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> > I think he has clay that needs restoration. > > The cost on that one blew me away! Architecturally, it's a monster. It looks like a cut and paste, thrown together with no attention to scale, mishmosh of design elements. It's way too overwhelming. I think it would look better with an asphalt shingle roof. The roofing on there now looks like some kind of plastic or metal shingles. That's just my opinion. The only opinion that really matters is the buyer's. |
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On 9/22/2017 9:00 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: >> >> I think he has clay that needs restoration. >> >> The cost on that one blew me away! > > Architecturally, it's a monster. It looks like a cut and paste, thrown together with no attention to scale, mishmosh of design elements. It's way too overwhelming. I think it would look better with an asphalt shingle roof. The roofing on there now looks like some kind of plastic or metal shingles. That's just my opinion. The only opinion that really matters is the buyer's. > It's tidy enough, but I guess I'd go for slate or concrete tile over red clay. Just a preference. I hate how asphalt shingles shed cinders in a strong storm. |
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On 9/22/2017 9:24 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 08:09:28p, Casa de Masa told us... > >> On 9/22/2017 9:00 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think he has clay that needs restoration. >>>> >>>> The cost on that one blew me away! >>> >>> Architecturally, it's a monster. It looks like a cut and paste, >>> thrown together with no attention to scale, mishmosh of design >>> elements. It's way too overwhelming. I think it would look better >>> with an asphalt shingle roof. The roofing on there now looks like >>> some kind of plastic or metal shingles. That's just my opinion. >>> The only opinion that really matters is the buyer's. >>> >> >> It's tidy enough, but I guess I'd go for slate or concrete tile >> over red clay. >> >> Just a preference. >> >> I hate how asphalt shingles shed cinders in a strong storm. >> >> >> > > It's always a personal preference, house, roof, neighborhood, > whatever. I've always thought it to be an ugly house in an equally > ugly neighborhood, but if John likes it, then it's probably the right > place for him. > No, it's tidy enough, but as you say that's personal preference. The neighborhood may be 'transitional'... Anyway, I hope it works out - the guy needs a break. |
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:32:24 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
> We are UNDER CONTRACT to close Oct 31, 2017! Make sure you dress up as a dunce that day! > I'm not completely stupid! Far from it! What's a half a percent difference in the long run? -sw |
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:41:46 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote:
> Yes we have a sale contract closing contingent on passing that > Occupancy Permit Inspection. And it didn't pass. In fact, there were "3 pages of repairs" that needed to be done to make it pass. That was your cue to get the **** out of the deal. You're insane. But deep down inside you already know that. -sw |
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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 10:36:14 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
> In article >, says... > > > > On 9/21/2017 11:09 AM, jmcquown wrote: > > > On 9/21/2017 13:07, Gary wrote: > > >> jmcquown wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Obviously he doesn't know better.Â* When I was (briefly) considering > > >>> selling my house the real estate agent told me I'd have to repair the > > >>> wood rot (some of the exterior trim has issues).Â* That would also have > > >>> involved repainting the house.Â* Both major expenses and would have been > > >>> my responsibility as the SELLER. > > >> > > >> Don't we have a "sell as it is" thing here? Owner doesn't want to > > >> improve anything, just sell. And buyer knows about the required > > >> things to fix. They pay less and fix up themselves. Is this not > > >> true? > > >> > > >> If a seller just want's to unload a house, there should be no > > >> govt requirement to fix things first as long as the problems are > > >> stated out front and the buyer agrees to it (and the reduced > > >> price) > > >> > > > The difference, Gary, is if the buyer is trying to get a mortgage.Â* John > > > Kuthe claims he's paying cash.Â* (Still doesn't make sense he'd do all > > > these repairs and upgrades *before* he owns the house.) > > > > > > Sure, you can buy and sell a house "as is".Â* But if a buyer expects to > > > get a mortgage the lending bank expects they're at least buying a house > > > that passes inspection. > > > > > > Jill > > > > Mortgage is one factor, but in this case, he wants to have tenants and > > probably needs a license or permit. Unless it is up to code, he could > > probably buy the place "as is" but would have to kick out the roommies > > he has. > > So why does the owner, who lets it to tenants. not required a > license/permit and why has the same permit/licence authority not made > the current owner do the upgrade it's now demanding from John (who > doesn't own it). > > Janet UK Most likely scenario is that the current owner bought the house and secured an occupancy permit years ago, and since then building codes have changed. The current owner is grandfathered in, but a new owner must bring the building up to current codes. Or else the current owner greased some palms at City Hall. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 11:32:38 AM UTC-4, John Kuthe wrote:
> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 3:20:54 PM UTC-5, Janet wrote: > > In article >, > > says... > > > > > > John is livig in a complete fantasy world. The repairs will probably > > > neer be done and he will probably never really own that house. It's > > > a pitiful situation, really. > > > > > > > After he pours his money into upgrading a house that belongs to > > somebody else, it will be worth more money. > > > > What's the betting, the owner will raise the price. > > Or he'll decide not to sell, and raise the rent. > > > > Janet > > Can't DO THAT!! We have a LEGALLY BINDING REAL ESTATE SALE CONTRACT!! Buyer (me) and sellers both signed it! Now closing Oct 31! If you think there's no way to weasel out of a contract, you're either dumber or more crazy than you seem. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 6:25:51 PM UTC-4, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-09-22 3:41 PM, Bruce wrote: > > On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 15:25:51 -0400, jmcquown > > > wrote: > > >> Yeah, sure. And the Chinese man who still owns it will either raise the > >> price or sell it to someone else after letting John pay to repair > >> everything. > > > > Let's just wait and see. If John is right, the house will be his on > > Oct 31, no matter what. Strange that he has to pay for fixing it up > > before it's legally his, but anyway. Different countries/states, > > different laws, I guess. > > > > Excuse me if I don't retain all the information that has been spewed > about his plans to become a slum landlord but I seem to recall that the > closing date was originally supposed to be a few months ago. > > I have limited personal experience in real estate deals, but sales are > usually conditional on the vendor being responsible for repairs. Eh. You can write a sales contract any way you want. How else would flippers manage it? Cindy Hamilton |
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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 10:36:40 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe > > wrote: > > >On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: > > >> So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad > >> economics. > > > >It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!! > > > >https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7 > > It looks alright, but it could be a bit gloomy on the inside with so > few and such small windows, no? On the front façade, those are a ton of large windows. St. Louis isn't quite as cold as where I live, but a house that age up here would not have much window area because you'd never have gotten a break from shoveling coal into the furnace. Thank goodness we've got natural gas heat now. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 11:00:37 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: > > > > I think he has clay that needs restoration. > > > > The cost on that one blew me away! > > Architecturally, it's a monster. It looks like a cut and paste, thrown together with no attention to scale, mishmosh of design elements. It's way too overwhelming. I think it would look better with an asphalt shingle roof. The roofing on there now looks like some kind of plastic or metal shingles. That's just my opinion. The only opinion that really matters is the buyer's. I've seen worse. It looks like an old Foursquare that had a big addition on the back. I couldn't find any good images of a one-story foursquare; all of the ones that turned up were two-story. At least the addition didn't mess with the massing of the front of the house. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 12:54:13 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 11:00:37 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote: > > On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: > > > > > > I think he has clay that needs restoration. > > > > > > The cost on that one blew me away! > > > > Architecturally, it's a monster. It looks like a cut and paste, thrown together with no attention to scale, mishmosh of design elements. It's way too overwhelming. I think it would look better with an asphalt shingle roof.. The roofing on there now looks like some kind of plastic or metal shingles. That's just my opinion. The only opinion that really matters is the buyer's. > > I've seen worse. It looks like an old Foursquare that had a big addition > on the back. I couldn't find any good images of a one-story foursquare; > all of the ones that turned up were two-story. At least the addition > didn't mess with the massing of the front of the house. > > Cindy Hamilton That's another thing wrong with the Chinese - too cheap to build a second story! |
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On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 7:04:32 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 12:54:13 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: > > On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 11:00:37 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote: > > > On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: > > > > > > > > I think he has clay that needs restoration. > > > > > > > > The cost on that one blew me away! > > > > > > Architecturally, it's a monster. It looks like a cut and paste, thrown together with no attention to scale, mishmosh of design elements. It's way too overwhelming. I think it would look better with an asphalt shingle roof. The roofing on there now looks like some kind of plastic or metal shingles. That's just my opinion. The only opinion that really matters is the buyer's. > > > > I've seen worse. It looks like an old Foursquare that had a big addition > > on the back. I couldn't find any good images of a one-story foursquare; > > all of the ones that turned up were two-story. At least the addition > > didn't mess with the massing of the front of the house. > > > > Cindy Hamilton > > That's another thing wrong with the Chinese - too cheap to build a second story! Good one.  Cindy Hamilton |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 03:49:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 10:36:40 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >> > wrote: >> >> >On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: >> >> >> So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad >> >> economics. >> > >> >It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!! >> > >> >https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7 >> >> It looks alright, but it could be a bit gloomy on the inside with so >> few and such small windows, no? > >On the front façade, those are a ton of large windows. The actual glass area doesn't look that big to me. >St. Louis isn't quite as cold as where I live, but a house that age up >here would not have much window area because you'd never have gotten a break >from shoveling coal into the furnace. Thank goodness we've got natural >gas heat now. Maybe where you live it's different, but you can also have lots of double glass to keep the warmth in. Like this: <http://www.vanreemst.net/cms/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/doorzonwoning-bennekom.jpg> |
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On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 7:44:09 AM UTC-4, Bruce wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 03:49:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton > > wrote: > > >On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 10:36:40 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: > >> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe > >> > wrote: > >> > >> >On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: > >> > >> >> So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad > >> >> economics. > >> > > >> >It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!! > >> > > >> >https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7 > >> > >> It looks alright, but it could be a bit gloomy on the inside with so > >> few and such small windows, no? > > > >On the front façade, those are a ton of large windows. > > The actual glass area doesn't look that big to me. > > >St. Louis isn't quite as cold as where I live, but a house that age up > >here would not have much window area because you'd never have gotten a break > >from shoveling coal into the furnace. Thank goodness we've got natural > >gas heat now. > > Maybe where you live it's different, but you can also have lots of > double glass to keep the warmth in. Like this: > > <http://www.vanreemst.net/cms/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/doorzonwoning-bennekom.jpg> 1. That's modern construction. John's house is about 90. Mine is about 70, and has perhaps a lower percentage of glass on the front façade. People who build custom houses nowadays typically have a lot more glass. Builders who make an entire subdivision for later sale skimp on both the amount and quality of the windows. 2. Climate (monospace font recommended): Avg. Low Record Low Avg. High Record High Amsterdam 32.9 5 22.1 34.5 Ann Arbor -7.8 -31 28.4 41 Temperatures given in C. Averages are the average low/high temperature for the coldest/hottest months of the year. Even double- or triple-glazed windows lose more heat than walls do. I'm quite satisfied with the modest number and size of windows in my house. Cindy Hamilton |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 00:19:21 -0500, Sqwertz >
wrote: >On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:41:46 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe wrote: > >> Yes we have a sale contract closing contingent on passing that >> Occupancy Permit Inspection. > >And it didn't pass. In fact, there were "3 pages of repairs" that >needed to be done to make it pass. That was your cue to get the **** >out of the deal. > >You're insane. But deep down inside you already know that. > >-sw I wouln't pay for anthing prior to closing, and tyically there's a walk through about an hour prior to closing (a good time for taking lots of pictures inside and out). The buyer always has some investment prior to closing, minimally inspection fees, perhaps a survey, a down payment and other incidentals. The seller has nothing invested prior to closing, at the last minute can simply walk away and not close. Just try suing for all the repairs! LOL-LOL |
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe
> wrote: >On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: >> John Kuthe wrote: >> > On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 12:29:32 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote: >> >> On 9/22/2017 11:58 AM, Casa de Masa wrote: >> >>> On 9/22/2017 9:28 AM, John Kuthe wrote: >> >>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Gary wrote: >> >>>> ... >> >>>>> Don't we have a "sell as it is" thing here? Owner doesn't want to >> >>>>> improve anything, just sell. And buyer knows about the required >> >>>>> things to fix. They pay less and fix up themselves. Is this not >> >>>>> true? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> If a seller just want's to unload a house, there should be no >> >>>>> govt requirement to fix things first as long as the problems are >> >>>>> stated out front and the buyer agrees to it (and the reduced >> >>>>> price) >> >>>> If the house was NOT OCCUPIED this MAY have been the case. But because >> >>>> it IS occupied this house must pass an Occupancy Permit INspection >> >>>> before being legally transferred to a buyer's possession, in this case >> >>>> ME! And because the cheap Chinese landlord(s) just want to get out >> >>>> from under this house for as much cash as they can get, we settled on >> >>>> a cash as-is sale price of $108,000! >> >>>> >> >>>> Why is it SO HARD for folks here to understand that? The cheap Chinese >> >>>> landlord(s) don't want to put any money into this house to "fix it up" >> >>>> and I DO! >> >>>> >> >>>> In fact I just signed a roofing "repair and RESTORE" estimate for >> >>>> $113,671 from Old World Roofing company here in STL who DOES restore >> >>>> these old red clay tile roofs like we have a lot of here in STL!! See? >> >>>> >> >>>> http://oldworldroofingco.com/Home_Page.html >> >>>> >> >>>> John Kuthe... >> >>>> >> >>> OMG!!!! >> >>> >> >>> You put MORE into the roof than the whole house? >> >>> >> >>> Dude, you're underwater right NOW! >> >> Maybe once restored it will be worth $500,000. >> > No, not that much. My buyer's agent ran "comps" on properties in my area of Bel Nor and NO PROPERTIES in the area came up to $500,000. Maybe $200,000ish. >> > >> > But it's gonna ROCK! And last! And look VERY COOL! >> > >> > John Kuthe... >> >> So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad >> economics. > >It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!! > >https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7 > >John Kuthe... Buying that old house is the same as buying an old wooden boat; a hole in the ocean where one tosses ALL their money and gets nothing in return. That's not even a nice looking or well built house... wtf is that support cable steadying the chimney, that's not the original chimney, the original crumbled and a cheap undersize replacement was installed... had to be that height to meet code. I wouldn't want to live their for free, there's no privacy, even a shared driveway. |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 12:36:35 +1000, Bruce >
wrote: >On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe > wrote: > >>On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: > >>> So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad >>> economics. >> >>It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!! >> >>https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7 > >It looks alright, but it could be a bit gloomy on the inside with so >few and such small windows, no? One side receives no light, it's an arm's length from the neighbor... I'm sure you can hears each other's stoilet flush. |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 03:49:54 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote: >On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 10:36:40 PM UTC-4, Bruce wrote: >> On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:44:29 -0700 (PDT), John Kuthe >> > wrote: >> >> >On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 7:40:36 PM UTC-5, Alex wrote: >> >> >> So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad >> >> economics. >> > >> >It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!! >> > >> >https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7 >> >> It looks alright, but it could be a bit gloomy on the inside with so >> few and such small windows, no? > >On the front façade, those are a ton of large windows. > >St. Louis isn't quite as cold as where I live, but a house that age up >here would not have much window area because you'd never have gotten a break >from shoveling coal into the furnace. Thank goodness we've got natural >gas heat now. > >Cindy Hamilton It gets cold where I live and I have very large windows but I have triple glazed thermopane windows. |
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On 9/22/2017 11:06 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> So he may be legally > required Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ost > 3/18/2011 3:49 PM Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles. -sw --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away. There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.centraltexasfoodbank.org...ntation-057jpg Hide the Ho Ho's!!!!!!!!!! |
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On 9/22/2017 11:08 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> What's a half a percent Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ost > 3/18/2011 3:49 PM Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles. -sw --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away. There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.centraltexasfoodbank.org...ntation-057jpg Hide the Ho Ho's!!!!!!!!!! |
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On 9/22/2017 11:19 PM, Sqwertz wrote:
> You're insane. But deep down inside you already know that. > > -sw Steve Wertz - unrepentant woman stalker and total head case begging poor Omelet to shoot him with a sniper rifle in austin.food: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ost > 3/18/2011 3:49 PM Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1162 readnews.com - News for Geeks and ISPs fa35d278.newsreader.readnews.com Sorry I don't fit either of your Ideal Psycho Pal Profiles. -sw --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'd prefer you use a sniper rifle on me from a few hundred yards away. There you go - a reason for you to buy yet another gun and ammo. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- https://www.centraltexasfoodbank.org...ntation-057jpg Hide the Ho Ho's!!!!!!!!!! |
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On 9/22/2017 11:46 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 09:14:18p, Casa de Masa told us... > >> On 9/22/2017 9:24 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >>> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 08:09:28p, Casa de Masa told us... >>> >>>> On 9/22/2017 9:00 PM, dsi1 wrote: >>>>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-10, Casa de >>>>> Masa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think he has clay that needs restoration. >>>>>> >>>>>> The cost on that one blew me away! >>>>> >>>>> Architecturally, it's a monster. It looks like a cut and paste, >>>>> thrown together with no attention to scale, mishmosh of design >>>>> elements. It's way too overwhelming. I think it would look >>>>> better with an asphalt shingle roof. The roofing on there now >>>>> looks like some kind of plastic or metal shingles. That's just >>>>> my opinion. The only opinion that really matters is the >>>>> buyer's. >>>>> >>>> >>>> It's tidy enough, but I guess I'd go for slate or concrete tile >>>> over red clay. >>>> >>>> Just a preference. >>>> >>>> I hate how asphalt shingles shed cinders in a strong storm. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> It's always a personal preference, house, roof, neighborhood, >>> whatever. I've always thought it to be an ugly house in an >>> equally ugly neighborhood, but if John likes it, then it's >>> probably the right place for him. >>> >> >> No, it's tidy enough, but as you say that's personal preference. >> >> The neighborhood may be 'transitional'... >> >> Anyway, I hope it works out - the guy needs a break. >> > > He may need a break, but h=probabaly also needs a psyc exam. He is > waaaay out of control. > Ya know I don't buy that at all. He functions in his own unique way and world. But he does function, he's no harm to others, and he has a fairly gentle demeanor. If you see some ripping great social danger, please illumine me. |
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 05:09:13 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>In article >, says... >> > >>>> In fact I just signed a roofing "repair and RESTORE" estimate for >> > >>>> $113,671 from Old World Roofing company here in STL who DOES restore >> > >>>> these old red clay tile roofs like we have a lot of here in STL!! See? >> > So you will have well over $225K in a house worth $200K? That's bad >> > economics. >> >> It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!! >> >> https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7 >> > I don't believe that nice roof needs 113,671 dollars worth of >"repair and restoration". > Janet UK Very possible if it needs a total rip-off and all new lumber beneath... if it was leaking the lumber is all dry rotted. Thse tiles are very expensive and lumber beneath would need to be extra heavy duty to support the load. Were it me I'd replace it with a metal roof, would look nicer, would cost less, and will never leak. |
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On Fri, 22 Sep 2017 20:07:14 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>On 9/22/2017 3:01 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 12:46:26p, Casa de Masa told us... >> >>> On 9/22/2017 12:54 PM, Wayne Boatwright wrote: >>>> On Fri 22 Sep 2017 08:58:40a, Casa de Masa told us... >>>> >>>>> On 9/22/2017 9:28 AM, John Kuthe wrote: >>>>>> On Thursday, September 21, 2017 at 12:05:49 PM UTC-5, Gary >>>>>> wrote: ... >>>>>>> Don't we have a "sell as it is" thing here? Owner doesn't want >>>>>>> to improve anything, just sell. And buyer knows about the >>>>>>> required things to fix. They pay less and fix up themselves. >>>>>>> Is this not true? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If a seller just want's to unload a house, there should be no >>>>>>> govt requirement to fix things first as long as the problems >>>>>>> are stated out front and the buyer agrees to it (and the >>>>>>> reduced price) >>>>>> >>>>>> If the house was NOT OCCUPIED this MAY have been the case. But >>>>>> because it IS occupied this house must pass an Occupancy Permit >>>>>> INspection before being legally transferred to a buyer's >>>>>> possession, in this case ME! And because the cheap Chinese >>>>>> landlord(s) just want to get out from under this house for as >>>>>> much cash as they can get, we settled on a cash as-is sale >>>>>> price of $108,000! >>>>>> >>>>>> Why is it SO HARD for folks here to understand that? The cheap >>>>>> Chinese landlord(s) don't want to put any money into this house >>>>>> to "fix it up" and I DO! >>>>>> >>>>>> In fact I just signed a roofing "repair and RESTORE" estimate >>>>>> for $113,671 from Old World Roofing company here in STL who >>>>>> DOES restore these old red clay tile roofs like we have a lot >>>>>> of here in STL!! See? >>>>>> >>>>>> http://oldworldroofingco.com/Home_Page.html >>>>>> >>>>>> John Kuthe... >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OMG!!!! >>>>> >>>>> You put MORE into the roof than the whole house? >>>>> >>>>> Dude, you're underwater right NOW! >>>>> >>>> >>>> What a chump! >>>> >>> >>> I'm shocked that anyone would charge that for a clay tile roof. >>> >>> You have plenty of those in AZ. Wayne - how on earth can it cost >>> over $100K to replace? >>> >> >> Yes, we do, and I'm quite sure they don't cost that much anywhere in >> AZ, especially for a house as small as John's. However, when we >> lived in Cleveland it was relatively uncommon to have either a clay >> tile or slate tile roof, and forwhever reason they were very costly. >> I haven't followed the Saga of John in enough detail to know where he >> lives. > >I think it's a historic district of sorts. > >> One factor, if he doesn't presently have a clay tile roof is the >> structural support a tile roof will require compared to a shingle >> roofing. That can increase the cost considerably. > >I think he has clay that needs restoration. > >The cost on that one blew me away! Todasy tehre are metal shingles that look exacrtly like clay and come in an array of colors... a lot less weight, a lot less labor, snow slides right off, and will last a hundred years with no breakage. |
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On 9/23/2017 5:04 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 12:54:13 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 11:00:37 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote: >>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: >>>> >>>> I think he has clay that needs restoration. >>>> >>>> The cost on that one blew me away! >>> >>> Architecturally, it's a monster. It looks like a cut and paste, thrown together with no attention to scale, mishmosh of design elements. It's way too overwhelming. I think it would look better with an asphalt shingle roof. The roofing on there now looks like some kind of plastic or metal shingles. That's just my opinion. The only opinion that really matters is the buyer's. >> >> I've seen worse. It looks like an old Foursquare that had a big addition >> on the back. I couldn't find any good images of a one-story foursquare; >> all of the ones that turned up were two-story. At least the addition >> didn't mess with the massing of the front of the house. >> >> Cindy Hamilton > > That's another thing wrong with the Chinese - too cheap to build a second story! > LOl! But now: http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....estern-cities/ http://www.3ders.org/images2014/chin...ng-3ders-7.JPG |
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> On Sat, 23 Sep 2017 05:09:13 +0100, Janet > wrote: >>> >>> It's not ALL about economics!! It's about saving a house! A BEAUTIFUL house!! >>> >>> https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net...b0&oe=5A48FDC7 >>> >> I don't believe that nice roof needs 113,671 dollars worth of >> "repair and restoration". >> Janet UK > Never priced that type of roof, but it is possible. I like the roofline. So much nicer than the plain slanted roof most houses have. Value is in the eye of the beholder. I said it before, John is not buying a house, he is buying a lifestyle. If he is happy with his investment it does not matter what value we put on it. I've made improvements in my house over the years. Not once did I consider the impact on the resale value, but I did consider how we will like and enjoy it. We have no plans to ever sell so I don't care what my kids get out of it when we are gone. |
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On 9/23/2017 5:20 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 7:04:32 AM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote: >> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 12:54:13 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote: >>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 11:00:37 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote: >>>> On Friday, September 22, 2017 at 4:07:18 PM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think he has clay that needs restoration. >>>>> >>>>> The cost on that one blew me away! >>>> >>>> Architecturally, it's a monster. It looks like a cut and paste, thrown together with no attention to scale, mishmosh of design elements. It's way too overwhelming. I think it would look better with an asphalt shingle roof. The roofing on there now looks like some kind of plastic or metal shingles. That's just my opinion. The only opinion that really matters is the buyer's. >>> >>> I've seen worse. It looks like an old Foursquare that had a big addition >>> on the back. I couldn't find any good images of a one-story foursquare; >>> all of the ones that turned up were two-story. At least the addition >>> didn't mess with the massing of the front of the house. >>> >>> Cindy Hamilton >> >> That's another thing wrong with the Chinese - too cheap to build a second story! > > Good one. > > Cindy Hamilton > Erm: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/46067871.jpg |
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