On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:11:28 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 22:49:50 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Bruce" wrote in message
. ..
>>
>>On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 22:15:19 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"Bruce" wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>He's on the news a lot here. You can't help form an opinion. Just like
>>>you love him.
>>>
>>>===
>>>
>>>I love who?
>>
>>Trump.
>>
>>==
>>
>>Why would I love Trump??
>>
>>Have you been drinking???
>
>Lol, no it's 8 am. I never start until 9
>
>==
>
>Hmmmm must be the drugs then!

Huh?

Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:

> In article >, cshenk1
> @cox.net says...
> >
> > Janet wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >
> > > In article >, says...
> > > >
> > > > Janet wrote:
> > > > > I bet even fewer Americans have ever read Charles Dickens.
> > > >
> > > > I certainly can't speak for all but you might be surprised.
> > >
> > > Fine. If any American can quote any reference to Yorkshire
> > > pudding by Charles Dickens, let's hear it. Don't all post at
> > > once; take your time.
> > >
> > >
> > > Janet UK
> >
> > Janet, please don't be so literal.
>
> Don't blame me because you're so illiterate you can't string a
> sentence.
>
>
> I mentioned it reminded me of
> > something like Dickens.
>
> That is not what you said. You said
>
> "Actually the big one is most in areas I have lived in know
> 'yorkshire pudding' as a name from Charles Dickens."
>
>
>
> Janet UK

Whatvever. If you wish to be too literal I apoligize for confusing you.

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"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 23:10:33 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 22:50:39 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>Still not your business!! So put that in yer pipe and smoke it!
>>
>>I have my own opinions so I don't have to care about yours!
>
>But you don't have to care about my opinions. Don't feel obliged
>
>===
>
>I don't!

Good! Aren't you glad we solved this amicably?

==

Of course.

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"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
...

On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:44:57 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Casa de Masa" wrote in message news >
>On 9/27/2017 10:43 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Bruce" wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Sep 2017 15:35:29 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>>> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Trump is certainly not acting the traditional "Presidential" but
>>>> remember, he wasn't groomed to take that office from childhood
>>>> and he's never served in congress either. He's a clueless newby
>>>> but actually this is what our original leaders hoped for. Not
>>>> career politicians..Elect Joe Farmer, just a normal citizen and
>>>> only for one term or two if he pleased people.
>>>>
>>>> Trump is certainly making mistakes left and right. That said, we,
>>>> the people, DID elect him rather than Hillary with the arrogant
>>>> shit-eating grin. Between the two of them, I still like the
>>>> choice.
>>>
>>> A reasonable presentation. This last election was the first we've had
>>> where almost no one really believed in a candidate. The majority
>>> seemed to vote for 'who they hated least'.
>>
>> Trump appeals to simpletons. Every country has many of those. But even
>> simpletons won't re-elect him.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> Why do you care so much about US politics?
>>
>>
>>
>It is endemic to Auztards, a lot of Brits, and nearly ALL Canucks.
>
>Kiwis are similarly but less afflicted.
>
>It's called "little brudda syndrome" and refers to the green eyed
>jealousy other colonials have for the one nation that broke fully away
>from the royals.
>
>It's quit unevolved behaviour of course...
>
>===
>
>If you say so but I just don't think US politics is any of my business.
>
>I am a Brit and am very much involved with our politics. I might be
>interested in other countries and the way they behave, but politicians are
>the choice of the people.

I think it would be wise of you to become aware of what is going on in
politics around the world. Especially since two leaders are busy
singing "You Light up my Life"
Janet US

====

I am very well aware of what is going on in politics around the world, I
just don't think it is my place to comment on US politics here.

I might not like the choices, but I repeat, those choices are not mine.

As for NK, it is terrifying.


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On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 08:04:24 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:44:57 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Casa de Masa" wrote in message news >>
>>On 9/27/2017 10:43 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>If you say so but I just don't think US politics is any of my business.
>>
>>I am a Brit and am very much involved with our politics. I might be
>>interested in other countries and the way they behave, but politicians are
>>the choice of the people.
>
>I think it would be wise of you to become aware of what is going on in
>politics around the world. Especially since two leaders are busy
>singing "You Light up my Life"
>Janet US
>
>====
>
>I am very well aware of what is going on in politics around the world, I
>just don't think it is my place to comment on US politics here.
>
>I might not like the choices, but I repeat, those choices are not mine.
>
>As for NK, it is terrifying.

I find it a very strange formal point of view that you're not allowed
to have an opinion about the politics of another country.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 08:04:24 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"U.S. Janet B." wrote in message
.. .
>
>On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 18:44:57 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>wrote:
>
>>"Casa de Masa" wrote in message news >>
>>On 9/27/2017 10:43 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>>If you say so but I just don't think US politics is any of my business.
>>
>>I am a Brit and am very much involved with our politics. I might be
>>interested in other countries and the way they behave, but politicians are
>>the choice of the people.
>
>I think it would be wise of you to become aware of what is going on in
>politics around the world. Especially since two leaders are busy
>singing "You Light up my Life"
>Janet US
>
>====
>
>I am very well aware of what is going on in politics around the world, I
>just don't think it is my place to comment on US politics here.
>
>I might not like the choices, but I repeat, those choices are not mine.
>
>As for NK, it is terrifying.

I find it a very strange formal point of view that you're not allowed
to have an opinion about the politics of another country.

==

Did I say it was not allowed???? I just think is is courtesy not to.

You know very well I don't like discussing politics here. I have said so
many times.

The US is not my country and I don't want to denigrate their choices. It
isn't my place.

There are groups for that and I prefer to have my discussions there.



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On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:08:15 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>I find it a very strange formal point of view that you're not allowed
>to have an opinion about the politics of another country.
>
>==
>
>Did I say it was not allowed???? I just think is is courtesy not to.
>
>You know very well I don't like discussing politics here. I have said so
>many times.
>
>The US is not my country and I don't want to denigrate their choices. It
>isn't my place.
>
>There are groups for that and I prefer to have my discussions there.

Yes, it's off topic here, but there's a lot going on here that's off
topic. I don't see why US politics are taboo unless you're American.
Same with UK or any other country.

"Casa de Masa" > wrote in message
news
> On 9/27/2017 6:31 AM, Janet wrote:
>> In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>>>
>>>>> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump is certainly not acting the traditional "Presidential" but
>>>>>> remember, he wasn't groomed to take that office from childhood
>>>>
>>>> No elected leaders are, either in US or anywhere else.
>>>
>>> That's just not true.
>>
>> Name one.
>>
>> Janet UK
>>
>
> Your entire "royal family", you dense old cow!
>
> Sheesh!

OMFG! Beverage alert needed for sure! Squee!!!!!!!!!!

"Janet" > wrote in message
.. .
> In article >, says...
>>
>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>> > In article >, says...
>> >>
>> >> "Janet" > wrote in message
>> >> .. .
>> >> >
>> >> >> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Trump is certainly not acting the traditional "Presidential" but
>> >> >> > remember, he wasn't groomed to take that office from childhood
>> >> >
>> >> > No elected leaders are, either in US or anywhere else.
>> >>
>> >> That's just not true.
>> >
>> > Name one.
>>
>> Chelsea Clinton.
>
> She isnt an elected leader

Not yet.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 21:57:55 +0100, Janet > wrote:
>
>>In article >, says...
>>>
>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>> .. .
>>> > In article >,
>>> > says...
>>> >>
>>> >> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>> >> .. .
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> > Trump is certainly not acting the traditional "Presidential" but
>>> >> >> > remember, he wasn't groomed to take that office from childhood
>>> >> >
>>> >> > No elected leaders are, either in US or anywhere else.
>>> >>
>>> >> That's just not true.
>>> >
>>> > Name one.
>>>
>>> Chelsea Clinton.
>>
>> She isnt an elected leader
>
> In 20 years, she'll be running for president against Trump Jr. That's
> how they roll in the US.

Yep.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:08:15 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>I find it a very strange formal point of view that you're not allowed
>to have an opinion about the politics of another country.
>
>==
>
>Did I say it was not allowed???? I just think is is courtesy not to.
>
>You know very well I don't like discussing politics here. I have said so
>many times.
>
>The US is not my country and I don't want to denigrate their choices. It
>isn't my place.
>
>There are groups for that and I prefer to have my discussions there.

Yes, it's off topic here, but there's a lot going on here that's off
topic. I don't see why US politics are taboo unless you're American.
Same with UK or any other country.

==

Who said it was taboo? I am still waiting for you to show me when I said it
was not allowed!

Please just read what I said. Nothing more, nothing less.


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On 9/27/2017 6:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-09-27 6:07 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 9/27/2017 12:54 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 8:31:55 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>>>> .. .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trump is certainly not acting the traditional "Presidential" but
>>>>>>>> remember, he wasn't groomed to take that office from childhood
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Â*Â*Â* No elected leaders are, either in US or anywhere else.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's just not true.
>>>>
>>>> Â*Â* Name one.
>>>>
>>>> Â*Â* Janet UK
>>>
>>> Possibly George W. Bush
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>> The Kennedy clan certainly groomed the boys for high political office.
>> Only JFK actually made it to the presidency and that didn't end well.
>>
>
>
> Nor did it end well for a Robert Kennedy when he made a run for the
> presidency. That left the youngest brother to try for the top job, but
> he blew that when he partying with a young lady who ended up dead.
>
And then John Jr. died in a plane crash...

Jill

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 12:22:04 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message ...
>
>Yes, it's off topic here, but there's a lot going on here that's off
>topic. I don't see why US politics are taboo unless you're American.
>Same with UK or any other country.
>
>==
>
>Who said it was taboo? I am still waiting for you to show me when I said it
>was not allowed!
>
>Please just read what I said. Nothing more, nothing less.

You're questioning why I comment on US politics and you're always
telling me to stay out of UK politics. Unless I'm hallucinating, of
course. Because of all the drugs maybe.

"Bruce" wrote in message ...

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 12:22:04 +0100, "Ophelia" >
wrote:

>"Bruce" wrote in message
.. .
>
>Yes, it's off topic here, but there's a lot going on here that's off
>topic. I don't see why US politics are taboo unless you're American.
>Same with UK or any other country.
>
>==
>
>Who said it was taboo? I am still waiting for you to show me when I said
>it
>was not allowed!
>
>Please just read what I said. Nothing more, nothing less.

You're questioning why I comment on US politics and you're always
telling me to stay out of UK politics. Unless I'm hallucinating, of
course. Because of all the drugs maybe.

==

Could be) Actually I am not sure I did tell you to stop commenting in US
politics. I was telling you why I don't!

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On 9/28/2017 7:22 AM, Ophelia wrote:
> "Bruce"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:08:15 +0100, "Ophelia" >
> wrote:
>
>> I find it a very strange formal point of view that you're not allowed
>> to have an opinion about the politics of another country.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Did I say it was not allowed????Â* I just think is is courtesy not to.
>>
>> You know very well I don't like discussing politics here. I have said so
>> many times.
>>
>> The US is not my country and I don't want to denigrate their choices.Â* It
>> isn't my place.
>>
>> There are groups for that and I prefer to have my discussions there.
>
> Yes, it's off topic here, but there's a lot going on here that's off
> topic. I don't see why US politics are taboo unless you're American.
> Same with UK or any other country.
>
> ==
>
> Who said it was taboo?Â* I am still waiting for you to show me when I
> said it
> was not allowed!
>
> Please just read what I said.Â* Nothing more, nothing less.
>
Agreed. Thread drift is a given but this has gone waaaay Off Topic from
the initial discussion about prime rib and Yorkshire pudding! Some
people just have to drag politics into every little thing.

OB Food: I thoroughly enjoyed the slice of prime rib I had last night
for dinner. I have a standing rib roast in the freezer and plan to
try my hand at Yorkshire pudding then. Do you (anyone) have a recipe?

Jill

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 07:52:19 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 9/28/2017 7:22 AM, Ophelia wrote:

>> Who said it was taboo?* I am still waiting for you to show me when I
>> said it
>> was not allowed!
>>
>> Please just read what I said.* Nothing more, nothing less.
>>
>Agreed. Thread drift is a given but this has gone waaaay Off Topic from
>the initial discussion

"The Kennedy clan certainly groomed the boys for high political
office. Only JFK actually made it to the presidency and that didn't
end well."
(Jill)

"And then John Jr. died in a plane crash..."
(Jill)

"Trump ain't no Joe Farmer nor a normal citizen. He is certainly not
what the Founding Fathers had in mind. LOL"
(Jill)

Casa de Masa wrote:
>
> On 9/27/2017 6:39 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Janet wrote:
> >>
> >> In article >, says...
> >>>
> >>> "Janet" > wrote in message
> >>> .. .
> >>>>
> >>>>> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Trump is certainly not acting the traditional "Presidential" but
> >>>>>> remember, he wasn't groomed to take that office from childhood
> >>>>
> >>>> No elected leaders are, either in US or anywhere else.
> >>>
> >>> That's just not true.
> >>
> >> Name one.
> >
> > JFK
> >
> RFK
>
> Teddy.
>
> RFK Jr.

Not tin foil hat thinking. Tell me that our own govt didn't want
any Kennedy's in office after JFK.
Joe Jr was the original groomed to be but he died in WW2 so it
went to JFK, he scared this country with the Cuban Missle
Crisis. Most govt ppl thought he was a nut case, a "loose
cannon." Seems like "someone" decided no more Kennedy's in power.

Don't forget, we have many career people in govt and secret govt
agencies. Presidents and their chosen ones are only around for
4-8 years. I'm sure our Presidents are not told everything.

My father was career Defense Dept person and he worked his way up
to top grade scale. He finally died about 6 months ago but he
always kept his career secret. He probably knew more than any
President knew. Even retired for many years, he never told us
family anything. He had top secret clearance and he stuck by it.
Sadly, I know very little about my Dad's govt career.

Back to the Kennedy family:
To me, too much coincidence that 2 got killed, next got
discredited and finally, John Jr - who was headed towards a
successful political career, just happened to die 'accidently' in
a plane crash. How convenient.

This was our own govt plot to keep the family out of power. I'll
always believe that. 4 Kennedy's lose the chance? Coincidence
does not happen with 4 family members in sequence. Carolyn
Kennedy has luckily kept a low profile - probably saved her life
too.

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 07:52:19 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 9/28/2017 7:22 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "Bruce"* wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 10:08:15 +0100, "Ophelia" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I find it a very strange formal point of view that you're not allowed
>>> to have an opinion about the politics of another country.
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Did I say it was not allowed????* I just think is is courtesy not to.
>>>
>>> You know very well I don't like discussing politics here. I have said so
>>> many times.
>>>
>>> The US is not my country and I don't want to denigrate their choices.* It
>>> isn't my place.
>>>
>>> There are groups for that and I prefer to have my discussions there.
>>
>> Yes, it's off topic here, but there's a lot going on here that's off
>> topic. I don't see why US politics are taboo unless you're American.
>> Same with UK or any other country.
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Who said it was taboo?* I am still waiting for you to show me when I
>> said it
>> was not allowed!
>>
>> Please just read what I said.* Nothing more, nothing less.
>>
>Agreed. Thread drift is a given but this has gone waaaay Off Topic from
>the initial discussion about prime rib and Yorkshire pudding! Some
>people just have to drag politics into every little thing.
>
>OB Food: I thoroughly enjoyed the slice of prime rib I had last night
>for dinner. I have a standing rib roast in the freezer and plan to
>try my hand at Yorkshire pudding then. Do you (anyone) have a recipe?
>
>Jill

It is different this side of the Pond because of the flour. I use 1/2
cup AP flour, good pinch of salt, one egg and 1/2 cup milk. Combine
then leave to sit for an hour (this is the main difference)

Turn oven to 420° and when up to temp place tart pan in oven with a
little fat (preferably fat from other meat cooking, as in 'drippings')
in each cup. When the fat is sizzling, divide the batter between the
12 cups. Do not open door until done, about 20 minutes.

On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 08:18:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:

>Not tin foil hat thinking. Tell me that our own govt didn't want
>any Kennedy's in office after JFK.
>Joe Jr was the original groomed to be but he died in WW2 so it
>went to JFK, he scared this country with the Cuban Missle
>Crisis. Most govt ppl thought he was a nut case, a "loose
>cannon." Seems like "someone" decided no more Kennedy's in power.
>
>Don't forget, we have many career people in govt and secret govt
>agencies. Presidents and their chosen ones are only around for
>4-8 years. I'm sure our Presidents are not told everything.
>
>My father was career Defense Dept person and he worked his way up
>to top grade scale. He finally died about 6 months ago but he
>always kept his career secret. He probably knew more than any
>President knew. Even retired for many years, he never told us
>family anything. He had top secret clearance and he stuck by it.
>Sadly, I know very little about my Dad's govt career.

That's the price security wields. I know David knew what happened to
Lionel Crabbe, but I could never get him to tell me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Crabb
At that time I was diving regularly and it was most intriguing.
>
>Back to the Kennedy family:
>To me, too much coincidence that 2 got killed, next got
>discredited and finally, John Jr - who was headed towards a
>successful political career, just happened to die 'accidently' in
>a plane crash. How convenient.

No, he was overconfident. He had only just got his pilots licence and
decided he knew everything and was skilled enough to overcome the
problem of sorting out a horizon at twilight going into darkness.


>
>This was our own govt plot to keep the family out of power. I'll
>always believe that. 4 Kennedy's lose the chance? Coincidence
>does not happen with 4 family members in sequence. Carolyn
>Kennedy has luckily kept a low profile - probably saved her life
>too.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> OB Food: I thoroughly enjoyed the slice of prime rib I had last night
> for dinner. I have a standing rib roast in the freezer and

You who eats like a bird has a standing rib roast in your
freezer?
LOL. No way, don't even try it Jill. Liar, liar, panties on fire!

wrote:
>
> Gary wrote:
> John Jr - who was headed towards a
> >successful political career, just happened to die 'accidently' in
> >a plane crash. How convenient.
>
> No, he was overconfident. He had only just got his pilots licence and
> decided he knew everything and was skilled enough to overcome the
> problem of sorting out a horizon at twilight going into darkness.

I'll never believe that. His plane crash was way too convenient.
Maybe the last Kennedy that might get into political power
(especially since he was the son and namesake of our beloved
JFK). Someone here didn't ever want a Kennedy to be a president.

Think about it....what are the odds of 4 people from the same
family losing that chance? I'm surprised that
Edward didn't drown along with his girlfriend that night. "They"
probably assumed that he would. Regardless, his reputation was
ruined.

On 9/28/2017 8:18 AM, Gary wrote:
> Back to the Kennedy family:
> To me, too much coincidence that 2 got killed, next got
> discredited and finally, John Jr - who was headed towards a
> successful political career, just happened to die 'accidently' in
> a plane crash. How convenient.

You really believe that? He was piloting the plane and was (by all
accounts) advised not to try to make the flight at night. Poor
judgement, IMHO. I doubt anyone wanted to kill his wife or her friend.

He had an older sister (Arabella) who was stillborn. Conspiracy? He
had a younger brother (Patrick) who was born prematurely and only lived
for two days. Conspiracy? Oh, and he had a cousin who died in a skiing
accident. Conspiracy? Or just a horrific run of bad luck for this family?

I'm sure there are plenty of large families with a long list of
tragedies. We just don't hear about them. They aren't "newsworthy". Heh.

Jill

On 9/28/2017 8:24 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 07:52:19 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> OB Food: I thoroughly enjoyed the slice of prime rib I had last night
>> for dinner. I have a standing rib roast in the freezer and plan to
>> try my hand at Yorkshire pudding then. Do you (anyone) have a recipe?
>>
>> Jill
>
> It is different this side of the Pond because of the flour. I use 1/2
> cup AP flour, good pinch of salt, one egg and 1/2 cup milk. Combine
> then leave to sit for an hour (this is the main difference)
>
> Turn oven to 420° and when up to temp place tart pan in oven with a
> little fat (preferably fat from other meat cooking, as in 'drippings')
> in each cup. When the fat is sizzling, divide the batter between the
> 12 cups. Do not open door until done, about 20 minutes.
>
Thank you! When you say divide between the 12 cups, are you referring
to a metal baking pan? I have a 12 individual cups muffin tin which I
suppose is similar to a tart pan. Thanks for the info. I really do
want to try this when I roast the beast.

Jill

On 2017-09-28 9:24 AM, Gary wrote:
> wrote:

>> No, he was overconfident. He had only just got his pilots licence and
>> decided he knew everything and was skilled enough to overcome the
>> problem of sorting out a horizon at twilight going into darkness.
>
> I'll never believe that. His plane crash was way too convenient.
> Maybe the last Kennedy that might get into political power
> (especially since he was the son and namesake of our beloved
> JFK). Someone here didn't ever want a Kennedy to be a president.

Is there a long wait to get those tin foil hats?



> Think about it....what are the odds of 4 people from the same
> family losing that chance? I'm surprised that
> Edward didn't drown along with his girlfriend that night. "They"
> probably assumed that he would. Regardless, his reputation was
> ruined.

Ruined? Stained perhaps. He still managed to hold his seat in the
Senate. He is one of the longest sitting US Senators in history, and
that's not too bad considering the questions there should have been
about him driving around drunk with a young woman, driving over the side
of a bridge and then leaving the scene of an accident and not reporting
it until the next morning.

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 9/28/2017 8:18 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Back to the Kennedy family:
> > To me, too much coincidence that 2 got killed, next got
> > discredited and finally, John Jr - who was headed towards a
> > successful political career, just happened to die 'accidently' in
> > a plane crash. How convenient.
>
> You really believe that? He was piloting the plane and was (by all
> accounts) advised not to try to make the flight at night. Poor
> judgement, IMHO. I doubt anyone wanted to kill his wife or her friend.

Called "collateral damage"

>
> He had an older sister (Arabella) who was stillborn. Conspiracy? He
> had a younger brother (Patrick) who was born prematurely and only lived
> for two days. Conspiracy? Oh, and he had a cousin who died in a skiing
> accident. Conspiracy? Or just a horrific run of bad luck for this family?

None of them count...they were not potential presidents.

4 Kennedy's - 3 brothers in sequence who ran for president.
One son of JFK that had that chance pending too. Accident?
Believe what you want, I believe differently.

Here ya go....maybe get Caroline Kennedy to run for first woman
president 2 years from now. She has that "camelot Kennedy charm"
too. Think she would survive the election period? I think she
knows better not to run.

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2017-09-28 9:24 AM, Gary wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> >> No, he was overconfident. He had only just got his pilots licence and
> >> decided he knew everything and was skilled enough to overcome the
> >> problem of sorting out a horizon at twilight going into darkness.
> >
> > I'll never believe that. His plane crash was way too convenient.
> > Maybe the last Kennedy that might get into political power
> > (especially since he was the son and namesake of our beloved
> > JFK). Someone here didn't ever want a Kennedy to be a president.
>
> Is there a long wait to get those tin foil hats?
>
> > Think about it....what are the odds of 4 people from the same
> > family losing that chance? I'm surprised that
> > Edward didn't drown along with his girlfriend that night. "They"
> > probably assumed that he would. Regardless, his reputation was
> > ruined.
>
> Ruined? Stained perhaps. He still managed to hold his seat in the
> Senate. He is one of the longest sitting US Senators in history, and
> that's not too bad considering the questions there should have been
> about him driving around drunk with a young woman, driving over the side
> of a bridge and then leaving the scene of an accident and not reporting
> it until the next morning.

Clueless in Canada.

On 9/28/2017 9:10 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> OB Food: I thoroughly enjoyed the slice of prime rib I had last night
>> for dinner. I have a standing rib roast in the freezer and
>
> You who eats like a bird has a standing rib roast in your
> freezer?
> LOL. No way, don't even try it Jill. Liar, liar, panties on fire!
>
Oh please. My appetite has nothing to do with it. When I cook I don't
cook for ONE. Why do you think I have a freezer?!

Stop trying to sound like Sheldon. Unless I take a picture I must be a
liar? Well, here ya go:

https://s26.postimg.org/65p1uabwp/rib_roast2.jpg

https://s26.postimg.org/7aj3znydl/rib_roast1.jpg

I expect an apology.

BTW, the roasted bones make great stock.

Jill

On 9/28/2017 2:13 AM, Bruce wrote:
> I find it a very strange formal point of view that you're not allowed
> to have an opinion about the politics of another country.

I find it all too predictable that those serfs of mini-powers are
obsessed with the USA, but...for some odd reason...Not CHINA!

On 9/28/2017 3:22 AM, Bruce wrote:
>> There are groups for that and I prefer to have my discussions there.
> Yes, it's off topic here,

Finally...

> but there's a lot going on here that's off
> topic.

Wahh!

But the other kids are doing it too, mommy!

> I don't see why US politics are taboo unless you're American.

I don;t see why you conflate food and cooking with politics.

> Same with UK or any other country.

Bullshit from a political troll!

On 9/28/2017 3:24 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Casa de Masa" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 9/27/2017 6:31 AM, Janet wrote:
>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>>> .. .
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump is certainly not acting the traditional "Presidential" but
>>>>>>> remember, he wasn't groomed to take that office from childhood
>>>>>
>>>>> Â*Â*Â* No elected leaders are, either in US or anywhere else.
>>>>
>>>> That's just not true.
>>>
>>> Â*Â* Name one.
>>>
>>> Â*Â* Janet UK
>>>
>>
>> Your entire "royal family", you dense old cow!
>>
>> Sheesh!
>
> OMFG! Beverage alert needed for sure! Squee!!!!!!!!!!

Lol.

On 9/28/2017 5:38 AM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 9/27/2017 6:18 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-09-27 6:07 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>>> On 9/27/2017 12:54 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, September 27, 2017 at 8:31:55 AM UTC-4, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Janet" > wrote in message
>>>>>> .. .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump is certainly not acting the traditional "Presidential" but
>>>>>>>>> remember, he wasn't groomed to take that office from childhood
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Â*Â*Â* No elected leaders are, either in US or anywhere else.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's just not true.
>>>>>
>>>>> Â*Â* Name one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Â*Â* Janet UK
>>>>
>>>> Possibly George W. Bush
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>> The Kennedy clan certainly groomed the boys for high political
>>> office. Only JFK actually made it to the presidency and that didn't
>>> end well.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Nor did it end well for a Robert Kennedy when he made a run for the
>> presidency. That left the youngest brother to try for the top job, but
>> he blew that when he partying with a young lady who ended up dead.
>>
> And then John Jr. died in a plane crash...
>
> Jill

Doped up, sad.

On 9/28/2017 5:41 AM, Bruce wrote:
> You're questioning why I comment on US politics

We all know THAT, auztarded no-nation troll.

On 9/28/2017 9:54 AM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> On 9/28/2017 8:18 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Back to the Kennedy family:
>>> To me, too much coincidence that 2 got killed, next got
>>> discredited and finally, John Jr - who was headed towards a
>>> successful political career, just happened to die 'accidently' in
>>> a plane crash. How convenient.
>>
>> You really believe that? He was piloting the plane and was (by all
>> accounts) advised not to try to make the flight at night. Poor
>> judgement, IMHO. I doubt anyone wanted to kill his wife or her friend.
>
> Called "collateral damage"
>
>>
>> He had an older sister (Arabella) who was stillborn. Conspiracy? He
>> had a younger brother (Patrick) who was born prematurely and only lived
>> for two days. Conspiracy? Oh, and he had a cousin who died in a skiing
>> accident. Conspiracy? Or just a horrific run of bad luck for this family?
>
> None of them count...they were not potential presidents.
>
> 4 Kennedy's - 3 brothers in sequence who ran for president.
> One son of JFK that had that chance pending too. Accident?
> Believe what you want, I believe differently.
>
> Here ya go....maybe get Caroline Kennedy to run for first woman
> president 2 years from now. She has that "camelot Kennedy charm"
> too. Think she would survive the election period? I think she
> knows better not to run.
>
I think she's not interested. And you're sounding more and more like a
conspiracy theorist.

Jill

On 9/28/2017 6:05 AM, 289Bruce wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 07:52:19 -0400, jmcquown >
> wrote:
>
>> On 9/28/2017 7:22 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
>>> Who said it was taboo?Â* I am still waiting for you to show me when I
>>> said it
>>> was not allowed!
>>>
>>> Please just read what I said.Â* Nothing more, nothing less.
>>>
>> Agreed. Thread drift is a given but this has gone waaaay Off Topic from
>> the initial discussion
>
> "The Kennedy clan

Shaddup, TROLL!

On 2017-09-28 9:57 AM, Gary wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-09-28 9:24 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> No, he was overconfident. He had only just got his pilots licence and
>>>> decided he knew everything and was skilled enough to overcome the
>>>> problem of sorting out a horizon at twilight going into darkness.
>>>
>>> I'll never believe that. His plane crash was way too convenient.
>>> Maybe the last Kennedy that might get into political power
>>> (especially since he was the son and namesake of our beloved
>>> JFK). Someone here didn't ever want a Kennedy to be a president.
>>
>> Is there a long wait to get those tin foil hats?
>>
>>> Think about it....what are the odds of 4 people from the same
>>> family losing that chance? I'm surprised that
>>> Edward didn't drown along with his girlfriend that night. "They"
>>> probably assumed that he would. Regardless, his reputation was
>>> ruined.
>>
>> Ruined? Stained perhaps. He still managed to hold his seat in the
>> Senate. He is one of the longest sitting US Senators in history, and
>> that's not too bad considering the questions there should have been
>> about him driving around drunk with a young woman, driving over the side
>> of a bridge and then leaving the scene of an accident and not reporting
>> it until the next morning.
>
> Clueless in Canada.
>

Really? That is the best that you can come up with? You said that Ted
Kennedy's reputation was ruined by that incident. He kept his Senate
seat and held it for another 40 years. Yeah... his reputation was really
ruined wasn't it. The base pay for a senator is about $180,000 per year,
along with a bunch of perks. He may have had a reputation, but it
wasn't ruined.

In article >, says...
>
> "Casa de Masa" > wrote in message
> news
> > On 9/27/2017 6:31 AM, Janet wrote:
> >> In article >, says...
> >>>
> >>> "Janet" > wrote in message
> >>> .. .
> >>>>
> >>>>> Gary wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Trump is certainly not acting the traditional "Presidential" but
> >>>>>> remember, he wasn't groomed to take that office from childhood
> >>>>
> >>>> No elected leaders are, either in US or anywhere else.
> >>>
> >>> That's just not true.
> >>
> >> Name one.
> >>
> >> Janet UK
> >>
> >
> > Your entire "royal family", you dense old cow!

The UK royal family are not elected, not political leaders, they have
zero political role.Their position it nothing remotely like POTUS.

Trump's behaviour and political performance (both at home and
internationally) is measured against that of other nations' ELECTED
political leaders, and found sadly lacking.

Janet UK

On 9/28/2017 6:36 AM, wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2017 08:18:48 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Not tin foil hat thinking. Tell me that our own govt didn't want
>> any Kennedy's in office after JFK.
>> Joe Jr was the original groomed to be but he died in WW2 so it
>> went to JFK, he scared this country with the Cuban Missle
>> Crisis. Most govt ppl thought he was a nut case, a "loose
>> cannon." Seems like "someone" decided no more Kennedy's in power.
>>
>> Don't forget, we have many career people in govt and secret govt
>> agencies. Presidents and their chosen ones are only around for
>> 4-8 years. I'm sure our Presidents are not told everything.
>>
>> My father was career Defense Dept person and he worked his way up
>> to top grade scale. He finally died about 6 months ago but he
>> always kept his career secret. He probably knew more than any
>> President knew. Even retired for many years, he never told us
>> family anything. He had top secret clearance and he stuck by it.
>> Sadly, I know very little about my Dad's govt career.
>
> That's the price security wields. I know David knew what happened to
> Lionel Crabbe, but I could never get him to tell me.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Crabb
> At that time I was diving regularly and it was most intriguing.
>>
>> Back to the Kennedy family:
>> To me, too much coincidence that 2 got killed, next got
>> discredited and finally, John Jr - who was headed towards a
>> successful political career, just happened to die 'accidently' in
>> a plane crash. How convenient.
>
> No, he was overconfident. He had only just got his pilots licence and
> decided

He was doped up, deal:

http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/...ticle-1.523552

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/cele...k-death-crash/

On Thursday, September 28, 2017 at 10:03:46 AM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 9/28/2017 2:13 AM, Bruce wrote:
> > I find it a very strange formal point of view that you're not allowed
> > to have an opinion about the politics of another country.
>
> I find it all too predictable that those serfs of mini-powers are
> obsessed with the USA, but...for some odd reason...Not CHINA!

I think we all leave that to John Kuthe. Division of labor.

Cindy Hamilton

jmcquown wrote:
>
> On 9/28/2017 9:54 AM, Gary wrote:
> > jmcquown wrote:
> >>
> >> On 9/28/2017 8:18 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>> Back to the Kennedy family:
> >>> To me, too much coincidence that 2 got killed, next got
> >>> discredited and finally, John Jr - who was headed towards a
> >>> successful political career, just happened to die 'accidently' in
> >>> a plane crash. How convenient.
> >>
> >> You really believe that? He was piloting the plane and was (by all
> >> accounts) advised not to try to make the flight at night. Poor
> >> judgement, IMHO. I doubt anyone wanted to kill his wife or her friend.
> >
> > Called "collateral damage"
> >
> >>
> >> He had an older sister (Arabella) who was stillborn. Conspiracy? He
> >> had a younger brother (Patrick) who was born prematurely and only lived
> >> for two days. Conspiracy? Oh, and he had a cousin who died in a skiing
> >> accident. Conspiracy? Or just a horrific run of bad luck for this family?
> >
> > None of them count...they were not potential presidents.
> >
> > 4 Kennedy's - 3 brothers in sequence who ran for president.
> > One son of JFK that had that chance pending too. Accident?
> > Believe what you want, I believe differently.
> >
> > Here ya go....maybe get Caroline Kennedy to run for first woman
> > president 2 years from now. She has that "camelot Kennedy charm"
> > too. Think she would survive the election period? I think she
> > knows better not to run.
> >
> I think she's not interested. And you're sounding more and more like a
> conspiracy theorist.

Caroline is smartly not interested in running and....
I went to the grocery store this morning and, using a coupon,
bought a large roll of Reynolds Wrap. ;-D

Dave Smith wrote:
>
> On 2017-09-28 9:57 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Dave Smith wrote:
> >>
> >> On 2017-09-28 9:24 AM, Gary wrote:
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> No, he was overconfident. He had only just got his pilots licence and
> >>>> decided he knew everything and was skilled enough to overcome the
> >>>> problem of sorting out a horizon at twilight going into darkness.
> >>>
> >>> I'll never believe that. His plane crash was way too convenient.
> >>> Maybe the last Kennedy that might get into political power
> >>> (especially since he was the son and namesake of our beloved
> >>> JFK). Someone here didn't ever want a Kennedy to be a president.
> >>
> >> Is there a long wait to get those tin foil hats?
> >>
> >>> Think about it....what are the odds of 4 people from the same
> >>> family losing that chance? I'm surprised that
> >>> Edward didn't drown along with his girlfriend that night. "They"
> >>> probably assumed that he would. Regardless, his reputation was
> >>> ruined.
> >>
> >> Ruined? Stained perhaps. He still managed to hold his seat in the
> >> Senate. He is one of the longest sitting US Senators in history, and
> >> that's not too bad considering the questions there should have been
> >> about him driving around drunk with a young woman, driving over the side
> >> of a bridge and then leaving the scene of an accident and not reporting
> >> it until the next morning.
> >
> > Clueless in Canada.
> >
>
> Really? That is the best that you can come up with? You said that Ted
> Kennedy's reputation was ruined by that incident. He kept his Senate
> seat and held it for another 40 years. Yeah... his reputation was really
> ruined wasn't it. The base pay for a senator is about $180,000 per year,
> along with a bunch of perks. He may have had a reputation, but it
> wasn't ruined.

Dumbutt...his presidential aspirations were ruined. That's all
"They" were concerned about. Again....clueless in Canada.