On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
>> >
>> > Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
>> > (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
>> > Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
>> > =====
>>
>> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
>
>Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
>superstition.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

How about tradition? I think it helps define us, securing our
memories of who we are and where we came from.
Janet US

On 10/1/2017 2:04 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 10/1/2017 3:43 PM, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 10/1/2017 10:31 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2017 11:16 AM, Casa de Masa wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think what is most interesting here is that sanctimonious Bwuthie
>>>> has widened his insult list to the point he has precious few
>>>> defenders here any more.
>>>>
>>>> Now this was bound to happen of course, but in his ardor to
>>>> virtually "drop trou" here he exposed far more than his inner snark,
>>>> he gave us a guided tour through the mind of a misanthrope.
>>>>
>>>> So mote it be.
>>>
>>> He is what he is as is everyone here.* Annoying at times, but funny
>>> at times.
>>
>> The funny factor is de minimus, imo.
>>
>>> The more people criticize someone, the more people push back.
>>
>> Yes even his targets are pushing back now.
>>
>>> You can kill file, ignore, or call names, but you tend to reap what
>>> you sow sort of thing.* Maybe it is best to just sit back, relax, sip
>>> a Crystal Palace.
>>
>> Nah, that is the sin of complicity.
>>
>> I do not subscribe to that one.
>
> I understand, but has anyone here ever changed anyone else here?

Not that I have seen, no.

> If they did some good the activity would be well placed but the only result
> I've seen, the squabbles increased and some good people got fed up and
> left.

That's not in dispute, sadly.

But enabling a snark master bears horrible results - witness the loss of
Omelet and the retention of that awful Sqwerty!

On 10/1/2017 2:55 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
>>>> (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
>>>> Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
>>>> =====
>>>
>>> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
>>
>> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
>> superstition.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> How about tradition? I think it helps define us, securing our
> memories of who we are and where we came from.
> Janet US
>

It's as old as the Yule log, as elemental as Halloween, as begged and
borrowed as "Amen" deriving from "Amen-ra".

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 9:05:39 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
> superstition.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Me too. I can quit anytime I want.

On 10/1/2017 3:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 9:05:39 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
>> superstition.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Me too. I can quit anytime I want.
>

Might need to smudge the venue, but...

;-)

On 2017-10-01 12:40 PM, Roy wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 8:20:48 AM UTC-6, Ophelia wrote:

>
> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our
> forebears (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats
> had big teeth. Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and
> effort. =====


It was bad enough that we had priests and ministers praying and asking
for blessings at public dedications. I would have been happy to see that
go the way of the dodo, but now they seem to be opening it up an
including other religions and indigenous hokum. I am not interested in
trading one set of superstitious supplication for another one.

On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 17:56:07 -0400, Dave Smith
> wrote:

>On 2017-10-01 12:40 PM, Roy wrote:
>>
>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our
>> forebears (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats
>> had big teeth. Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and
>> effort. =====
>
>It was bad enough that we had priests and ministers praying and asking
>for blessings at public dedications. I would have been happy to see that
>go the way of the dodo, but now they seem to be opening it up an
>including other religions and indigenous hokum. I am not interested in
>trading one set of superstitious supplication for another one.

That's it. Finally protestantism and catholicism don't have their grip
on society anymore. Let's not replace it with a muslim grip. Keep
religion behind the front door and in church, please. Then I'll
respect it.

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 11:24:09 AM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 10/1/2017 3:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 9:05:39 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
> >> superstition.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Me too. I can quit anytime I want.
> >
>
> Might need to smudge the venue, but...
>
> ;-)

Casting off your beliefs would mean that you see the world as it is - without the world as interpreted in your mind i.e., we see the world as as the animals might see it. To be able to transcend language and abstract thought might be the highest state of mind we can hope to achieve. Mostly, language allows us to lie to others and ourselves - first and foremost.

On 9/30/2017 1:43 PM, KenK wrote:
> jmcquown > wrote in newsqm228$a06$2@dont-
> email.me:
>
>> On 9/29/2017 1:56 PM, KenK wrote:
>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>>> news >>>
>>>>
>>>> "KenK" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Julie Bove" > wrote in
>>>>> news >>>>>
>>>>>> What would you do with it? This isn't for me. I will cook/use it
> for
>>>>>> someone else. No dog to cook for at the moment so things are wide
>>>>>> open in terms of ingredients.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried looking at recipes but everything I saw called for like...5
>>>>>> of them and I have only one. Any ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I use it with lentils or northern beans. I boil the legumes with
>>>>> water, garlic & onions in a crock pot. I prefer smoked wings but I
>>>>> guess regulars would work as well. A favorite meal.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Made a smoked turkey wing drumstick with lentils in the crockpot
>>> yesterday. Very good! Emough for 4 or 5 meals
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>> Hopefully that was a turkey wing *and* a drumstick. Wouldn't want to
>> see a flying drumstick come out of a crockpot.
>>
>> Jill
>
> What I was awkwardly trying to refer to was the largest part of the
> turkey wing, the part farthest from the tip.

The drummette? Drummie? (I'm thinking of chicken wings here but heck,
in terms of wing parts turkey wings are just bigger.) It gets confusing
what with posters from all over the world. IMHO (in my humble option)
that turkey wing 'tip' isn't good for much of anything.

> That is plenty for me. I'm
> not much of a carnivore; Nowadays in my old age I mostly use meat as
> flavoring, not a main part of a meal.
>
I still enjoy meat as a main part of many meals, but not when I'm making
something like lentil soup. Or bean soup, for that matter. Not every
meal requires meat but it does add a little something to some soups.

Jill

On 10/1/2017 3:56 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> I am not interested in trading one set of superstitious supplication for
> another one.

As an apostate that squares up.

On 10/1/2017 4:08 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 11:24:09 AM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 10/1/2017 3:21 PM, dsi1 wrote:
>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 9:05:39 AM UTC-10, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
>>>> superstition.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>> Me too. I can quit anytime I want.
>>>
>>
>> Might need to smudge the venue, but...
>>
>> ;-)
>
> Casting off your beliefs would mean that you see the world as it is - without the world as interpreted in your mind i.e., we see the world as as the animals might see it.

Yes, a really objective distinction.

To be able to transcend language and abstract thought might be the
highest state of mind we can hope to achieve. Mostly, language allows us
to lie to others and ourselves - first and foremost.
>

You are so on the money, which is why animals communicate (imo) with
thought bubbles, or as the late Robert Monroe of the Monroe Institute
called them - ROTEs.

Related Organized Thought Energy:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/lfdeale/473675601/

On 10/1/2017 2:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "dsi1"Â* wrote in message
> ...
>
> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 4:30:46 AM UTC-10, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> I had to look that up.Â* The flowers are very pretty
>>
>> I got this from Wiki:
>>
>> Cordyline fruticosa is an evergreen flowering plant in the Asparagus
>> family,
>> Asparagaceae, known by a wide variety of common names, including cabbage
>> palm, good luck plant, palm lily, ti plant, Kī, L�"ī, Tī Pore, Sī, Lauti,
>> and ʻAutī
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk
>
> I've never really looked at the flowers of the ti plant. I didn't even
> know they had flowers. OTOH, I suppose they have to have flowers.
>
> Those ti leaves are important to us. We use it to wrap lau laus.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUva6ehiF3M
>
> ===
>
I watched the video. Really? All that time and preparation and an
assembly line to cook some pieces of spicy pork belly and pork shoulder,
wrapped (and wrapped and wrapped again) in a whole bunch of layers of
really fibrous, thick green ti leaves.

> Here ya go:
>
> https://www.houseplantsexpert.com/ha...-ti-plant.html
>
I read that, too. No mention of the ti plant except as a houseplant.
Possibly toxic to dogs and cats.

But there is another description of lau lau which does involve 'ti leaves':

"Chunks of pork shoulder and a small piece of salted butterfish go into
the luau leaves and then the whole ball is wrapped in two ti leaves and
the stems tied. €œIt takes a lot of strength to keep it tight,€� says
Monica Toguchi. The laulau are steamed for about four hours, and the ti
leaves snipped right before serving.

It might be traditional but it doesn't sound like something dsi1 has
ever made. I'm guessing takeout.

Jill

On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 21:44:48 -0400, jmcquown >
wrote:

>On 10/1/2017 2:51 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "dsi1"* wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> I've never really looked at the flowers of the ti plant. I didn't even
>> know they had flowers. OTOH, I suppose they have to have flowers.
>>
>> Those ti leaves are important to us. We use it to wrap lau laus.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUva6ehiF3M
>>
>> ===
>>
>I watched the video. Really? All that time and preparation and an
>assembly line to cook some pieces of spicy pork belly and pork shoulder,
>wrapped (and wrapped and wrapped again) in a whole bunch of layers of
>really fibrous, thick green ti leaves.

No nasty sniping, please. A bit of respect for other cultures goes a
long way.

On 10/1/2017 8:05 PM, Bruce wrote:
> A bit of respect for other cultures goes a
> long way.

Yeesh, more hypocrisy.

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 3:45:17 PM UTC-10, Jill McQuown wrote:

> I watched the video. Really? All that time and preparation and an
> assembly line to cook some pieces of spicy pork belly and pork shoulder,
> wrapped (and wrapped and wrapped again) in a whole bunch of layers of
> really fibrous, thick green ti leaves.

You are mistaken about this. The pork and butter fish are wrapped in luau leaves which are then wrapped in ti leaves. The pork is not spicy and the ti leaves are used only for the outside wrap. Ti leaves are not edible and is discarded before eating. It sounds like you have no concept of what this food is. Why you would bother to comment on something you know nothing about is a mystery. My guess is that it's due to a personality defect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b9jkNg36XU&t=326s

On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 22:24:16 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
wrote:

>On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 3:45:17 PM UTC-10, Jill McQuown wrote:
>
>> I watched the video. Really? All that time and preparation and an
>> assembly line to cook some pieces of spicy pork belly and pork shoulder,
>> wrapped (and wrapped and wrapped again) in a whole bunch of layers of
>> really fibrous, thick green ti leaves.
>
>You are mistaken about this. The pork and butter fish are wrapped in luau leaves which are then wrapped in ti leaves. The pork is not spicy and the ti leaves are used only for the outside wrap. Ti leaves are not edible and is discarded before eating. It sounds like you have no concept of what this food is. Why you would bother to comment on something you know nothing about is a mystery. My guess is that it's due to a personality defect.

Can we call it First Nation Pork?

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 4:55:26 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
> >> > (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
> >> > Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
> >> > =====
> >>
> >> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
> >
> >Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
> >superstition.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> How about tradition? I think it helps define us, securing our
> memories of who we are and where we came from.

I am me. I am the sum of my experiences. Those experiences contain
less and less superstition every year. When I was a child, I believed
in Santa Claus. No need for him anymore.

Cindy Hamilton

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 3:53:46 PM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 10/1/2017 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
> >>> (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
> >>> Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
> >>> =====
> >>
> >> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
> >
> > Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
> > superstition.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
> Oh good grief, what are ya, a fundy?

I am an atheist.

Cindy Hamilton

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> When I was a child, I believed
> in Santa Claus. No need for him anymore.

Sorry but I still believe in Tim Allen.
Also that fellow in Miracle on 34th Street (1947)
And don't forget the movie "Elf"

Not only that, when my girls were young, *I* was
Santa Claus. Santa is real enough. It's just that the
names are changed to protect the innocent.

T'was the night before Christmas
When all through the house
Not a creature was stirring
Not even a ferret

Here's an old pic with Mia talking and Jackie sleeping -
http://i44.tinypic.com/25urus2.jpg

:-D

Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> I am an atheist.

I had a good neighbor/friend years ago. She was kind of a psychic
person. She actually had a master's degree in parapsychology.
(did I spell that right?) What college that degree came from, I
don't know. But she did work here at the A.R.E. as a specialist
in dream interpretation.
https://www.edgarcayce.org/

Anyway, we were talking once about all that. She told me that she
prayed to ALL the known gods from every religion. Told me she
figured that way she had all bases covered. heheh

On 2017-10-02 6:25 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> I am an atheist.
>
> I had a good neighbor/friend years ago. She was kind of a psychic
> person. She actually had a master's degree in parapsychology.
> (did I spell that right?) What college that degree came from, I
> don't know.

One in a strip mall!

graham wrote:
>
> On 2017-10-02 6:25 AM, Gary wrote:
> > Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>
> >> I am an atheist.
> >
> > I had a good neighbor/friend years ago. She was kind of a psychic
> > person. She actually had a master's degree in parapsychology.
> > (did I spell that right?) What college that degree came from, I
> > don't know.
>
> One in a strip mall!

LOL Could be. I don't know of any accredited colleges or
universities that offer that.

On 2017-10-02 6:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:

>> How about tradition? I think it helps define us, securing our
>> memories of who we are and where we came from.
>
> I am me. I am the sum of my experiences. Those experiences contain
> less and less superstition every year. When I was a child, I believed
> in Santa Claus. No need for him anymore.

It's curious that people are more interesting in believing in something
if there is a reason to.

On 2017-10-02 8:36 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-10-02 6:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> I am an atheist.
>>
>> I had a good neighbor/friend years ago. She was kind of a psychic
>> person. She actually had a master's degree in parapsychology.
>> (did I spell that right?) What college that degree came from, I
>> don't know.
>
> One in a strip mall!

By coincidence, there is psychic fair near here this weekend. I have
seen signs posted all over and I have to wonder why they need the signs.

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 4:31:16 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 3:53:46 PM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
> > On 10/1/2017 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
> > >>> (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
> > >>> Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
> > >>> =====
> > >>
> > >> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
> > >
> > > Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
> > > superstition.
> > >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> > >
> >
> > Oh good grief, what are ya, a fundy?
>
> I am an atheist.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Good...so am I. Only way to go...religion is poison.

On 10/1/2017 11:34 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 22:24:16 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 3:45:17 PM UTC-10, Jill McQuown wrote:
>>
>>> I watched the video. Really? All that time and preparation and an
>>> assembly line to cook some pieces of spicy pork belly and pork shoulder,
>>> wrapped (and wrapped and wrapped again) in a whole bunch of layers of
>>> really fibrous, thick green ti leaves.
>>
>> You are mistaken about this. The pork and butter fish are wrapped in luau leaves which are then wrapped in ti leaves. The pork is not spicy and the ti leaves are used only for the outside wrap. Ti leaves are not edible and is discarded before eating. It sounds like you have no concept of what this food is. Why you would bother to comment on something you know nothing about is a mystery. My guess is that it's due to a personality defect.
>
> Can we call it First Nation Pork?
>

Can you just show a smidgen of the fictional "respect" you just
blathered about, you raving damned hypocrite?

DROP DAMNED DEAD!

On 10/2/2017 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 4:55:26 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
>>>>> (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
>>>>> Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
>>>>> =====
>>>>
>>>> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
>>>
>>> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
>>> superstition.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> How about tradition? I think it helps define us, securing our
>> memories of who we are and where we came from.
>
> I am me. I am the sum of my experiences. Those experiences contain
> less and less superstition every year. When I was a child, I believed
> in Santa Claus. No need for him anymore.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

How are you on life after death?

Because the soul goes on.

On 10/2/2017 4:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 3:53:46 PM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 10/1/2017 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
>>>>> (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
>>>>> Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
>>>>> =====
>>>>
>>>> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
>>>
>>> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
>>> superstition.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> Oh good grief, what are ya, a fundy?
>
> I am an atheist.
>
> Cindy Hamilton
>

Belief = belief - either way.

Nuff said.

On 10/2/2017 6:25 AM, Gary wrote:
> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>> I am an atheist.
>
> I had a good neighbor/friend years ago. She was kind of a psychic
> person. She actually had a master's degree in parapsychology.
> (did I spell that right?) What college that degree came from, I
> don't know. But she did work here at the A.R.E. as a specialist
> in dream interpretation.
> https://www.edgarcayce.org/
>
> Anyway, we were talking once about all that. She told me that she
> prayed to ALL the known gods from every religion. Told me she
> figured that way she had all bases covered. heheh
>

The notion of God as a composite creator is not unusual nor indefensible.

On 10/2/2017 6:36 AM, graham wrote:
> On 2017-10-02 6:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>
>>> I am an atheist.
>>
>> I had a good neighbor/friend years ago. She was kind of a psychic
>> person. She actually had a master's degree in parapsychology.
>> (did I spell that right?) What college that degree came from, I
>> don't know.
>
> One in a strip mall!

More dismissive and uneducated snark!

http://www.clarion.edu/academics/col...es/psychology/

http://www.gradschoolhub.com/best/ma...in-psychology/


https://careersinpsychology.org/psyc...employment-pa/

On 10/2/2017 6:58 AM, Gary wrote:
> graham wrote:
>>
>> On 2017-10-02 6:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am an atheist.
>>>
>>> I had a good neighbor/friend years ago. She was kind of a psychic
>>> person. She actually had a master's degree in parapsychology.
>>> (did I spell that right?) What college that degree came from, I
>>> don't know.
>>
>> One in a strip mall!
>
> LOL Could be. I don't know of any accredited colleges or
> universities that offer that.
>

Then you really haven't done much googling:


http://www.clarion.edu/academics/col...es/psychology/

http://www.gradschoolhub.com/best/ma...in-psychology/


https://careersinpsychology.org/psyc...employment-pa/

On 10/2/2017 8:06 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-10-02 8:36 AM, graham wrote:
>> On 2017-10-02 6:25 AM, Gary wrote:
>>> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am an atheist.
>>>
>>> I had a good neighbor/friend years ago. She was kind of a psychic
>>> person. She actually had a master's degree in parapsychology.
>>> (did I spell that right?) What college that degree came from, I
>>> don't know.
>>
>> One in a strip mall!
>
> By coincidence, there is psychic fair near here this weekend. I have
> seen signs posted all over and I have to wonder why they need the signs.

Because not all their clientele are...wait for it...psychic!

On 10/2/2017 8:16 AM, Roy wrote:
> On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 4:31:16 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 3:53:46 PM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2017 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
>>>>>> (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
>>>>>> Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
>>>>>> =====
>>>>>
>>>>> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
>>>> superstition.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh good grief, what are ya, a fundy?
>>
>> I am an atheist.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> Good...so am I. Only way to go...religion is poison.
>

Some is, some not.

Has Buddhism ever poisoned anyone?

Daoism?

Eh?

Your intolerance defines you, roy boy.

On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:30:15 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> wrote:

>On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 4:55:26 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
>> >> > (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
>> >> > Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
>> >> > =====
>> >>
>> >> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
>> >
>> >Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
>> >superstition.
>> >
>> >Cindy Hamilton
>>
>> How about tradition? I think it helps define us, securing our
>> memories of who we are and where we came from.
>
>I am me. I am the sum of my experiences. Those experiences contain
>less and less superstition every year. When I was a child, I believed
>in Santa Claus. No need for him anymore.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

I said nothing about superstition. I said tradition. I must assume
then that you do not acknowledge in any form of traditional meals or
gift giving or greetings for any holidays or births, weddings or
burials celebrated by others. Do you refuse invitations to these
events? These are all rituals based on superstition or religion.
Oktoberfest is a lovely celebration, isn't it? All that beer :-)
Janet US

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 10/2/2017 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 4:55:26 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
> >>>>> (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
> >>>>> Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
> >>>>> =====
> >>>>
> >>>> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
> >>>
> >>> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
> >>> superstition.
> >>>
> >>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> How about tradition? I think it helps define us, securing our
> >> memories of who we are and where we came from.
> >
> > I am me. I am the sum of my experiences. Those experiences contain
> > less and less superstition every year. When I was a child, I believed
> > in Santa Claus. No need for him anymore.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
> >
>
> How are you on life after death?

No such thing.

> Because the soul goes on.

No evidence. Come back after you're dead and prove me wrong.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 11:57:20 AM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 03:30:15 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 4:55:26 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> >> On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >> >> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
> >> >> > (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
> >> >> > Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
> >> >> > =====
> >> >>
> >> >> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
> >> >
> >> >Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
> >> >superstition.
> >> >
> >> >Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >> How about tradition? I think it helps define us, securing our
> >> memories of who we are and where we came from.
> >
> >I am me. I am the sum of my experiences. Those experiences contain
> >less and less superstition every year. When I was a child, I believed
> >in Santa Claus. No need for him anymore.
> >
> >Cindy Hamilton
>
> I said nothing about superstition. I said tradition. I must assume
> then that you do not acknowledge in any form of traditional meals or
> gift giving or greetings for any holidays or births, weddings or
> burials celebrated by others. Do you refuse invitations to these
> events? These are all rituals based on superstition or religion.
> Oktoberfest is a lovely celebration, isn't it? All that beer :-)
> Janet US

dsi1 was talking about beliefs (and blessings).

I am a member of society, so I participate in some of its rituals.

Exchanging Christmas presents is a tradition that I wish I could get
my husband to abandon.

In my family, the only funeral tradition we have is quick cremation
and stashing the ashes in a closet somewhere.

Cindy Hamilton

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 9:22:33 AM UTC-6, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 10/2/2017 8:16 AM, Roy wrote:
> > On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 4:31:16 AM UTC-6, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 3:53:46 PM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
> >>> On 10/1/2017 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
> >>>>>> (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
> >>>>>> Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
> >>>>>> =====
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
> >>>> superstition.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Oh good grief, what are ya, a fundy?
> >>
> >> I am an atheist.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Good...so am I. Only way to go...religion is poison.
> >
>
> Some is, some not.
>
> Has Buddhism ever poisoned anyone?
>
> Daoism?
>
> Eh?
>
> Your intolerance defines you, roy boy.

**** you asshole...clueless bitch.

On 2017-10-02 9:14 AM, Casa de Masa wrote:
> On 10/2/2017 4:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 3:53:46 PM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
>>> On 10/1/2017 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our
>>>>>> forebears
>>>>>> (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big
>>>>>> teeth.
>>>>>> Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
>>>>>> =====
>>>>>
>>>>> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days
>>>>> and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any
>>>>> more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient
>>>>> physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a
>>>>> frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for
>>>>> the next few hundred thousand generations.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off.Â* I have no truck
>>>> with
>>>> superstition.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh good grief, what are ya, a fundy?
>>
>> I am an atheist.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>
> Belief = beliefÂ* - either way.
>
> Nuff said.

No! One is belief; the other is absence of belief.

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 10:39:47 AM UTC-6, graham wrote:
> On 2017-10-02 9:14 AM, Casa de Masa wrote:
> > On 10/2/2017 4:31 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 3:53:46 PM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
> >>> On 10/1/2017 1:05 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our
> >>>>>> forebears
> >>>>>> (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big
> >>>>>> teeth.
> >>>>>> Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
> >>>>>> =====
> >>>>>
> >>>>> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days
> >>>>> and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any
> >>>>> more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient
> >>>>> physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a
> >>>>> frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for
> >>>>> the next few hundred thousand generations.
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off.Â* I have no truck
> >>>> with
> >>>> superstition.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cindy Hamilton
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Oh good grief, what are ya, a fundy?
> >>
> >> I am an atheist.
> >>
> >> Cindy Hamilton
> >>
> >
> > Belief = beliefÂ* - either way.
> >
> > Nuff said.
>
> No! One is belief; the other is absence of belief.

The TROLL is too dense to know the difference.

On 10/2/2017 10:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 11:13:52 AM UTC-4, Casa de Masa wrote:
>> On 10/2/2017 4:30 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 4:55:26 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 1 Oct 2017 12:05:36 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 2:09:43 PM UTC-4, dsi1 wrote:
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 6:40:27 AM UTC-10, Roy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blessing animate or inanimate objects is a throw-back to when our forebears
>>>>>>> (monkeys) were scared living in the jungles. Dem wild cats had big teeth.
>>>>>>> Blessing anything is a frickin waste of time and effort.
>>>>>>> =====
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These rituals and beliefs have it's origins in man's earliest days and are buried deep within our DNA. We cannot cast them off any more than we can rid ourselves of the remnants of our ancient physiology. You could say that the human spine is stupid and a frickin waste of time but as far as I know, we're stuck with it for the next few hundred thousand generations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps not you, but some of us can cast them off. I have no truck with
>>>>> superstition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>>
>>>> How about tradition? I think it helps define us, securing our
>>>> memories of who we are and where we came from.
>>>
>>> I am me. I am the sum of my experiences. Those experiences contain
>>> less and less superstition every year. When I was a child, I believed
>>> in Santa Claus. No need for him anymore.
>>>
>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>>
>>
>> How are you on life after death?
>
> No such thing.

Ding!

Wrong:

http://ebenalexander.com/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/bo...of-heaven.html


>> Because the soul goes on.
>
> No evidence.

Wrong:

http://ndestories.org/

https://www.iands.org/ndes/nde-stori...the-light.html

https://www.nderf.org/

http://www.near-death.com/reincarnat...-benedict.html

> Come back after you're dead and prove me wrong.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

You presume I'll be gone before you will, and too that there would be a
thing to be gained by sharing with you a reality you are heavily
invested in denying.

No, I'll save my visitations for those of open mind and spirit, no sense
nor perceived recompense in yanking intransigent non-believers from
their self-induced state of spiritual torpor that I can measure.