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I agree moderation. I drink one to two cups per day, which I think
is fine. It's such a pleasure. If I did feel it was making me feel unwell or really cutting my energy, I would cut back. I have a tough time drinking starbucks, I feel a little silly ordering "talls," etc. It's so packaged too, so it's partly a response to overmarketing on my part. Kona is so expensive, and I would think most people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a $8/lb good coffee and the kona (I'm sure some would, but I bet most wouldn't). In fact, just recently Starbucks got in trouble for selling a cheaper coffee as Kona for $21/lb. http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/19...business3.html |
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sf > wrote in message >. ..
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:23:12 GMT, "L" > > wrote: > > > 8 O'clock 100% Columbian > > That's a new one to me. Does it come in a can? It's an Eastern brand, headquarters in Maryland, distribution mainly east of the Mississippi. Biggest mass marketer of coffee in the US. It was the house brand of A&P since 1859; with the demise of A&P, it is now independent. Occupies pretty much the same market in the East that Folger's does in the West. "Bokar" (for Bogota-Cartagena) is a famous characteristic blend of theirs. All the 8 O'Clock connoisseurs I know who have come West have converted quickly and willingly to Folger's, not that Folger's is much of an improvement. -- Chris Green |
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sf > wrote in message >. ..
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:23:12 GMT, "L" > > wrote: > > > 8 O'clock 100% Columbian > > That's a new one to me. Does it come in a can? It's an Eastern brand, headquarters in Maryland, distribution mainly east of the Mississippi. Biggest mass marketer of coffee in the US. It was the house brand of A&P since 1859; with the demise of A&P, it is now independent. Occupies pretty much the same market in the East that Folger's does in the West. "Bokar" (for Bogota-Cartagena) is a famous characteristic blend of theirs. All the 8 O'Clock connoisseurs I know who have come West have converted quickly and willingly to Folger's, not that Folger's is much of an improvement. -- Chris Green |
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![]() "Christopher Green" > wrote in message om... > sf > wrote in message >. .. > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:23:12 GMT, "L" > > > wrote: > > > > > 8 O'clock 100% Columbian > > > > That's a new one to me. Does it come in a can? > > It's an Eastern brand, headquarters in Maryland, distribution mainly > east of the Mississippi. Biggest mass marketer of coffee in the US. It > was the house brand of A&P since 1859; with the demise of A&P, it is > now independent. Occupies pretty much the same market in the East that > Folger's does in the West. "Bokar" (for Bogota-Cartagena) is a famous > characteristic blend of theirs. > > -- > Chris Green Hey, we just bought some of that yesterday! I'm not a coffee drinker though so if it's junk, I wouldn't know it. kili |
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![]() "Christopher Green" > wrote in message om... > sf > wrote in message >. .. > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:23:12 GMT, "L" > > > wrote: > > > > > 8 O'clock 100% Columbian > > > > That's a new one to me. Does it come in a can? > > It's an Eastern brand, headquarters in Maryland, distribution mainly > east of the Mississippi. Biggest mass marketer of coffee in the US. It > was the house brand of A&P since 1859; with the demise of A&P, it is > now independent. Occupies pretty much the same market in the East that > Folger's does in the West. "Bokar" (for Bogota-Cartagena) is a famous > characteristic blend of theirs. > > -- > Chris Green Hey, we just bought some of that yesterday! I'm not a coffee drinker though so if it's junk, I wouldn't know it. kili |
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![]() "Julia Altshuler" > wrote in message news:r4Kmd.108220$R05.24926@attbi_s53... > Richard Kaszeta wrote: > >> I recommend shaking the addiction. Due to a very bad run-in with acid >> reflux, I pretty much had to give coffee up cold turkey for almost a >> year. >> >> After a month of not drinking it (which was a bit rough), I found that >> my energy level was much better (and my stomach and esophagus were >> much happier), and that I actually functioned better without morning >> stimulants. I'm back into drinking it, but only on an occasional basis, >> and find >> that I am now enjoying it a lot more than I used to (and, on the rare >> occasions that I do need a pick-me-up, it's a *lot* more effective >> than it used to be). > > > Have you found any social repercussions to not drinking coffee as opposed > to health ones? I'm the odd person who never started drinking coffee in > the first place. My parents drank coffee, and I assumed I'd start > drinking it in my teens as everyone else does except that I never grew to > like it. I'd taste it, say bleah, and go several more years before > tasting it again. At 46, the closest I ever come to coffee is coffee ice > cream, and even there, I prefer other flavors. > > > From time to time, I run into a situation where I'm the duck out of water > for not wanting coffee. Maybe someone will think I'm being picky or high > maintenance for asking for tea, or they'll think I'm a health nut and > looking down my nose at them for drinking it. Most recently, my boss at > work is nice as he can be when he goes to Starbuck's for coffee and asks > the part timers if we'd like anything. I always say no and wonder if I'm > being unsociable. > > > --Lia > I don't think you need to worry about it. Some people prefer coffee, others prefer tea. Tea is served almost everywhere that coffee is. Even Starbuck's offers tea. A good friend of mine never started drinking coffee, either. His drink of choice is beer, though. Jack Pekoe |
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![]() "Julia Altshuler" > wrote in message news:r4Kmd.108220$R05.24926@attbi_s53... > Richard Kaszeta wrote: > >> I recommend shaking the addiction. Due to a very bad run-in with acid >> reflux, I pretty much had to give coffee up cold turkey for almost a >> year. >> >> After a month of not drinking it (which was a bit rough), I found that >> my energy level was much better (and my stomach and esophagus were >> much happier), and that I actually functioned better without morning >> stimulants. I'm back into drinking it, but only on an occasional basis, >> and find >> that I am now enjoying it a lot more than I used to (and, on the rare >> occasions that I do need a pick-me-up, it's a *lot* more effective >> than it used to be). > > > Have you found any social repercussions to not drinking coffee as opposed > to health ones? I'm the odd person who never started drinking coffee in > the first place. My parents drank coffee, and I assumed I'd start > drinking it in my teens as everyone else does except that I never grew to > like it. I'd taste it, say bleah, and go several more years before > tasting it again. At 46, the closest I ever come to coffee is coffee ice > cream, and even there, I prefer other flavors. > > > From time to time, I run into a situation where I'm the duck out of water > for not wanting coffee. Maybe someone will think I'm being picky or high > maintenance for asking for tea, or they'll think I'm a health nut and > looking down my nose at them for drinking it. Most recently, my boss at > work is nice as he can be when he goes to Starbuck's for coffee and asks > the part timers if we'd like anything. I always say no and wonder if I'm > being unsociable. > > > --Lia > I don't think you need to worry about it. Some people prefer coffee, others prefer tea. Tea is served almost everywhere that coffee is. Even Starbuck's offers tea. A good friend of mine never started drinking coffee, either. His drink of choice is beer, though. Jack Pekoe |
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On 17 Nov 2004 10:11:59 -0800, "Marge" >
wrote: >I agree moderation. I drink one to two cups per day, which I think >is fine. It's such a pleasure. If I did feel it was making me feel >unwell or really cutting my energy, I would cut back. > >I have a tough time drinking starbucks, I feel a little silly ordering >"talls," etc. It's so packaged too, so it's partly a response to >overmarketing on my part. > >Kona is so expensive, and I would think most people wouldn't be able to >tell the difference between a $8/lb good coffee and the kona (I'm sure >some would, but I bet most wouldn't). In fact, just recently Starbucks >got in trouble for selling a cheaper coffee as Kona for $21/lb. >http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/19...business3.html That was a number of years ago--1996 when a local Kona Coffee company (Kona Kai) was caught substituting Costa Rican for 100% Kona. I happened to be president of the Kona Coffee Council at the time and it was a big deal. That lawsuit in the cited article was a result of the Kona Kai scam. I think in the last 8 years since that scam, people have asked and received really good Kona. People generally know what good 100% Kona should taste like and they are not just buying the cache of Kona. If you are only drinking 2 cups of coffee each morning, one pound of coffee will make about 32 cups. If you compare a package of 100% Kona, selling for $16.50/pound as our Smithfarms<g>does, you are only paying $.52 for each yummy cup. With shipping (which is such a variable depending on how much one orders) it can be as costly as $.70 per cup of freshly roasted mellow yummy delicious coffee.We all make daily decisions on how to spend our money, so it is up to you. With aloha from sunny South Kona where the coffee is growing out the window, Thunder's owner smithfarms.com Farmers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff |
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On 17 Nov 2004 10:11:59 -0800, "Marge" >
wrote: >I agree moderation. I drink one to two cups per day, which I think >is fine. It's such a pleasure. If I did feel it was making me feel >unwell or really cutting my energy, I would cut back. > >I have a tough time drinking starbucks, I feel a little silly ordering >"talls," etc. It's so packaged too, so it's partly a response to >overmarketing on my part. > >Kona is so expensive, and I would think most people wouldn't be able to >tell the difference between a $8/lb good coffee and the kona (I'm sure >some would, but I bet most wouldn't). In fact, just recently Starbucks >got in trouble for selling a cheaper coffee as Kona for $21/lb. >http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/19...business3.html That was a number of years ago--1996 when a local Kona Coffee company (Kona Kai) was caught substituting Costa Rican for 100% Kona. I happened to be president of the Kona Coffee Council at the time and it was a big deal. That lawsuit in the cited article was a result of the Kona Kai scam. I think in the last 8 years since that scam, people have asked and received really good Kona. People generally know what good 100% Kona should taste like and they are not just buying the cache of Kona. If you are only drinking 2 cups of coffee each morning, one pound of coffee will make about 32 cups. If you compare a package of 100% Kona, selling for $16.50/pound as our Smithfarms<g>does, you are only paying $.52 for each yummy cup. With shipping (which is such a variable depending on how much one orders) it can be as costly as $.70 per cup of freshly roasted mellow yummy delicious coffee.We all make daily decisions on how to spend our money, so it is up to you. With aloha from sunny South Kona where the coffee is growing out the window, Thunder's owner smithfarms.com Farmers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff |
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Wow, what could be better than sitting in Hawaii with a cup of Kona
coffee?? Here in NY it can cost $1.00 for a cup of the cheapest canned sat on the shelf for who knows how long then sat in a pot for 3 hours coffee. So, until I try Smith Farms Kona, I'll take back my words that most people can't tell the difference.... ;-) |
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Wow, what could be better than sitting in Hawaii with a cup of Kona
coffee?? Here in NY it can cost $1.00 for a cup of the cheapest canned sat on the shelf for who knows how long then sat in a pot for 3 hours coffee. So, until I try Smith Farms Kona, I'll take back my words that most people can't tell the difference.... ;-) |
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Wow, what could be better than sitting in Hawaii with a cup of Kona
coffee?? Here in NY it can cost $1.00 for a cup of the cheapest canned sat on the shelf for who knows how long then sat in a pot for 3 hours coffee. So, until I try Smith Farms Kona, I'll take back my words that most people can't tell the difference.... ;-) |
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Wow, what could be better than sitting in Hawaii with a cup of Kona
coffee?? Here in NY it can cost $1.00 for a cup of the cheapest canned sat on the shelf for who knows how long then sat in a pot for 3 hours coffee. So, until I try Smith Farms Kona, I'll take back my words that most people can't tell the difference.... ;-) |
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On 17 Nov 2004 12:22:16 -0800, "Marge" >
wrote: >Wow, what could be better than sitting in Hawaii with a cup of Kona >coffee?? Here in NY it can cost $1.00 for a cup of the cheapest canned >sat on the shelf for who knows how long then sat in a pot for 3 hours >coffee. So, until I try Smith Farms Kona, I'll take back my words that >most people can't tell the difference.... ;-) Well, there are many more fun things to do in NY. We are farmers who enjoy the farming lifestyle and we just happen to farm Kona coffee. It's our whole life. Yes ordering straight from the farmer should get you a superior product at a great price. We grow it, Bob roasts it and we package and send it. Not any middle men ![]() aloha, Thunder's owner smithfarms.com Farmers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff |
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On 17 Nov 2004 12:22:16 -0800, "Marge" >
wrote: >Wow, what could be better than sitting in Hawaii with a cup of Kona >coffee?? Here in NY it can cost $1.00 for a cup of the cheapest canned >sat on the shelf for who knows how long then sat in a pot for 3 hours >coffee. So, until I try Smith Farms Kona, I'll take back my words that >most people can't tell the difference.... ;-) Well, there are many more fun things to do in NY. We are farmers who enjoy the farming lifestyle and we just happen to farm Kona coffee. It's our whole life. Yes ordering straight from the farmer should get you a superior product at a great price. We grow it, Bob roasts it and we package and send it. Not any middle men ![]() aloha, Thunder's owner smithfarms.com Farmers of 100% Kona Coffee & other Great Stuff |
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Christopher Green wrote:
> sf > wrote in message >. .. > >>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:23:12 GMT, "L" > >>wrote: >> >> >>> 8 O'clock 100% Columbian >> >>That's a new one to me. Does it come in a can? > > > It's an Eastern brand, headquarters in Maryland, distribution mainly > east of the Mississippi. Biggest mass marketer of coffee in the US. It > was the house brand of A&P since 1859; with the demise of A&P, it is > now independent. Occupies pretty much the same market in the East that > Folger's does in the West. "Bokar" (for Bogota-Cartagena) is a famous > characteristic blend of theirs. > > All the 8 O'Clock connoisseurs I know who have come West have > converted quickly and willingly to Folger's, not that Folger's is much > of an improvement. > Have any of you ever enjoyed a cup of the Louisiana National Coffee, Community Dark Roast? Now that's good coffee. George |
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Christopher Green wrote:
> sf > wrote in message >. .. > >>On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:23:12 GMT, "L" > >>wrote: >> >> >>> 8 O'clock 100% Columbian >> >>That's a new one to me. Does it come in a can? > > > It's an Eastern brand, headquarters in Maryland, distribution mainly > east of the Mississippi. Biggest mass marketer of coffee in the US. It > was the house brand of A&P since 1859; with the demise of A&P, it is > now independent. Occupies pretty much the same market in the East that > Folger's does in the West. "Bokar" (for Bogota-Cartagena) is a famous > characteristic blend of theirs. > > All the 8 O'Clock connoisseurs I know who have come West have > converted quickly and willingly to Folger's, not that Folger's is much > of an improvement. > Have any of you ever enjoyed a cup of the Louisiana National Coffee, Community Dark Roast? Now that's good coffee. George |
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"George Shirley" wrote in message
... > Have any of you ever enjoyed a cup of the Louisiana National Coffee, > Community Dark Roast? Now that's good coffee. I drink it every morning and have for years. I've never had a store-bought pre-ground coffee that even comes close though I think some CDM and Union fans might feel differently. -Mike |
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"George Shirley" wrote in message
... > Have any of you ever enjoyed a cup of the Louisiana National Coffee, > Community Dark Roast? Now that's good coffee. I drink it every morning and have for years. I've never had a store-bought pre-ground coffee that even comes close though I think some CDM and Union fans might feel differently. -Mike |
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Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
> Perhaps one dosen't 'cook' coffee,but a cold morning wouldn't be >the same without a hot cup of 'java'.Our favorites are Folgers and 8 >O'clock bean,freshly ground.Pardon me while i brew a pot. You're entitled to like what you like, as there is no accounting for taste, but being somewhat experienced with coffee... (I own a bagel and coffee shop and sell it all day long.) Folgers is about the worst quality money can buy. No insult intended, but Folgers is about equal to the meat at McDonald's. It starts out with lousy quality, and by the time you get it, it's far too old. In short, Folger's uses the cheapest beans available, roasts and grinds them and by the time they get put into a can or bag, they are way stale. Coffee goes stale faster than bread. If you really like coffee, go to alt.coffee and read a bit. Ask about a decent coffee shop in your area. Or do this... go to an actual coffee shop. Buy one half pound of fresh beans (try Columbian Supremo for starters) and tell the clerk what kind of coffee maker you have. They will grind the beans accordingly. Go home and make a pot of coffee. Make at least six cups. Then drink and see what real fresh coffee tastes like. I grind my beans myself so they are totally fresh. I often roast my beans too. (Yes, you can buy them green. Lots of people do.) So, my point is... if you like coffee a lot, then you can enjoy far far greater tastes than you now have. You need to explore. |
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Far as I can tell, someone wrote:
> Perhaps one dosen't 'cook' coffee,but a cold morning wouldn't be >the same without a hot cup of 'java'.Our favorites are Folgers and 8 >O'clock bean,freshly ground.Pardon me while i brew a pot. You're entitled to like what you like, as there is no accounting for taste, but being somewhat experienced with coffee... (I own a bagel and coffee shop and sell it all day long.) Folgers is about the worst quality money can buy. No insult intended, but Folgers is about equal to the meat at McDonald's. It starts out with lousy quality, and by the time you get it, it's far too old. In short, Folger's uses the cheapest beans available, roasts and grinds them and by the time they get put into a can or bag, they are way stale. Coffee goes stale faster than bread. If you really like coffee, go to alt.coffee and read a bit. Ask about a decent coffee shop in your area. Or do this... go to an actual coffee shop. Buy one half pound of fresh beans (try Columbian Supremo for starters) and tell the clerk what kind of coffee maker you have. They will grind the beans accordingly. Go home and make a pot of coffee. Make at least six cups. Then drink and see what real fresh coffee tastes like. I grind my beans myself so they are totally fresh. I often roast my beans too. (Yes, you can buy them green. Lots of people do.) So, my point is... if you like coffee a lot, then you can enjoy far far greater tastes than you now have. You need to explore. |
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Jack Schidt® wrote:
> I don't think you need to worry about it. Some people prefer coffee, others > prefer tea. Tea is served almost everywhere that coffee is. Even > Starbuck's offers tea. > A good friend of mine never started drinking coffee, either. His drink of > choice is beer, though. Worry is too strong a word. I'm so oblivious socially that I never worry about what other people think of me. I was just musing on the way coffee as a ritual has become a part of the culture. Tea isn't my drink of choice. I only got used to it because it is better than coffee. Deep down in my heart of hearts, I like to drink milk after a big restaurant meal and orange juice for something sweet at mid day. Admiting that is like admiting that I don't really want the fine wines and good scotch. I just drink them when I'm out because I'm embarrassed to order what I really want-- fizzy ice cream drinks with long funny names that taste like girl scout cookies or wedding cakes. --Lia |
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Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Admiting that is like admiting that I don't really want the fine wines > and good scotch. I just drink them when I'm out because I'm embarrassed > to order what I really want-- fizzy ice cream drinks with long funny > names that taste like girl scout cookies or wedding cakes. Try adding 1/8 cup of Half 'n Half and a pack of Splenda to your next up of Joe. You may just all in love ![]() ~john |
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Julia Altshuler wrote:
> Admiting that is like admiting that I don't really want the fine wines > and good scotch. I just drink them when I'm out because I'm embarrassed > to order what I really want-- fizzy ice cream drinks with long funny > names that taste like girl scout cookies or wedding cakes. Try adding 1/8 cup of Half 'n Half and a pack of Splenda to your next up of Joe. You may just all in love ![]() ~john |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:01:29 GMT, "L" >
wrote: > > On 17-Nov-2004, sf > wrote: > > > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:23:12 GMT, "L" > > > wrote: > > > > > 8 O'clock 100% Columbian > > > > That's a new one to me. Does it come in a can? > > > > sf > > Practice safe eating - always use condiments > > Comes in a bag just like all the other 8 O'clock brand coffee; available in > whole bean or ground. Look for a dark brown bag, though be careful; when > I'm not paying enough attention, I accidently grab the French Roast because > the bag color is similar. I'm not familiar with the 8:00 brand. However, I DO prefer French Roast over regular. I also prefer either African (an African blend is fine) or Indonesian (I love Sulawesi) beans... Columbian beans don't have enough character for me. sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:30:00 GMT, "kilikini"
> wrote: > Hey, we just bought some of that yesterday! I'm not a coffee drinker though > so if it's junk, I wouldn't know it. Ignorance is bliss! sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:30:00 GMT, "kilikini"
> wrote: > Hey, we just bought some of that yesterday! I'm not a coffee drinker though > so if it's junk, I wouldn't know it. Ignorance is bliss! sf Practice safe eating - always use condiments |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:02:52 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote: > >"Julia Altshuler" > wrote in message >news:r4Kmd.108220$R05.24926@attbi_s53... >> >> >> From time to time, I run into a situation where I'm the duck out of water >> for not wanting coffee. Maybe someone will think I'm being picky or high >> maintenance for asking for tea, or they'll think I'm a health nut and >> looking down my nose at them for drinking it. Most recently, my boss at >> work is nice as he can be when he goes to Starbuck's for coffee and asks >> the part timers if we'd like anything. I always say no and wonder if I'm >> being unsociable. >> >> >> --Lia >> > >I don't think you need to worry about it. Some people prefer coffee, others >prefer tea. Tea is served almost everywhere that coffee is. Even >Starbuck's offers tea. >A good friend of mine never started drinking coffee, either. His drink of >choice is beer, though. > >Jack Pekoe > maybe lia can ask her boss to bring back a cold one. your pal, bert |
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:02:52 GMT, "Jack Schidt®"
> wrote: > >"Julia Altshuler" > wrote in message >news:r4Kmd.108220$R05.24926@attbi_s53... >> >> >> From time to time, I run into a situation where I'm the duck out of water >> for not wanting coffee. Maybe someone will think I'm being picky or high >> maintenance for asking for tea, or they'll think I'm a health nut and >> looking down my nose at them for drinking it. Most recently, my boss at >> work is nice as he can be when he goes to Starbuck's for coffee and asks >> the part timers if we'd like anything. I always say no and wonder if I'm >> being unsociable. >> >> >> --Lia >> > >I don't think you need to worry about it. Some people prefer coffee, others >prefer tea. Tea is served almost everywhere that coffee is. Even >Starbuck's offers tea. >A good friend of mine never started drinking coffee, either. His drink of >choice is beer, though. > >Jack Pekoe > maybe lia can ask her boss to bring back a cold one. your pal, bert |
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