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On 9/29/2017 2:13 PM, Bruce wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:01:05 -0600, Casa de Masa > wrote:
>
>> On 9/29/2017 1:27 PM, Bruce wrote:
>>>> Many of his women ended up with good careers, thanks to the
>>>> initial nudie shoot.
>>> Depends what you call a good career.

>>
>>
>> Ask:
>>
>> Marilyn Monroe
>>
>> Debby Harry
>>
>> Pam Anderson
>>
>> Barbie Benton
>>
>> Jenny McCarthy
>>
>> Kate Moss
>>
>> et al...

>
> Ok, you made the usual mistake of equating a lot of money to a good
> career.


Yeah right, they all had TERRIBLE careers...

Anything to sustain your argumentative delusions Bwuthie dear.

> And boy did Marilyn Monroe make a great life for herself. A bit on the
> short side, but you can't have it all.


Hanging with the Kennedys has its own risk profile, as Mary Jo Kopechne
found out.

Deal.

Ya moron.


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On 9/29/2017 1:45 PM, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:11:51 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>
>> Janet wrote:
>>>
>>> Your post demonstrates exactly why Playboy was so objectionable; it
>>> encouraged men like you to treat women as you do.

>>
>> Oh whine on, Janet UK. Playboy magazine was only objectionable to
>> you women that never qualified to get photographed. Envy is your
>> problem. Not good enough to be desired and never got paid well
>> for a photoshoot.
>>
>> Compared to the other nudie magazines, Playboy was high class.
>>
>> Many of his women ended up with good careers, thanks to the
>> initial nudie shoot.

>
> Steve's post was to the point and a good argument.


The same "Steve" who treats women like DIRT?

Wow.

> Your post is nasty
> and unnecessary.


It's "nasty and unnecessary" to note the many Playboy bunnies who had
really great careers as a result of their 'exposure'?

Why?

> Janet B in the United States


Who posted pics of her own daughter being groped by that serial rapist
Bill Clinton no less!

Wow.


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On 2017-09-29 4:04 PM, wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 10:59:59 -0700 (PDT), Ding - Dong Daddy
> > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 09:56:43 -0700 (PDT), Ding - Dong Daddy
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Roy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 7:02:35 AM UTC-6, wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:40:44 -0700 (PDT), Ding - Dong Daddy
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup...Hef liberated gals from the constraints of prudish sexual morality. Women everywhere owe him a HUGE debt of gratitude...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Speak for yourself! He was a nasty, grasping dirty old man. Betty
>>>>>> Ford, in her day was brave for being frank and admitting she had
>>>>>> breast cancer. What did he do? A cartoon in the December issue with
>>>>>> what was clearly the White House at night with a one breasted
>>>>>> silhouette leaning out the window saying 'All I want for Christmas is
>>>>>> my right breast' - cruel in the extreme, totally unnecessary and
>>>>>> uncalled for and I certainly don't feel I owe him squat. In fact,
>>>>>> THREE CHEERS THE DIRTY BUGGER IS DEAD AT LAST!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, I agree. He did nothing for women exept EXPLOIT them while freeing
>>>>> them of their dignity and making them whores.
>>>>> ====
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NO one forced those gals to disrobe, Roy...for a number of them it was a ticket to a new career and a new life...
>>>
>>> Oh? So they could have worked in his club with normal clothes on?

>>
>>
>> Of *course* not, have you never heard the term "dress code"...??? Even *I* have a work dress code, I'd prefer wearing shorts, t - shirts, and sneakers, but I need the job so I follow the dress code...no disgrace in that.

>
> But does the dress code at your work demean you ?


What exactly is demeaning about wearing clothing that will encourage
people to treat you nicely and give you money? I think it is demeaning
to be expected to get down on your hands and knees and scrape up shit.
Being complimented and getting big dips for exposing cleavage is the
sort of thing some people would call easy money.

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On 9/29/2017 2:13 PM, Gary wrote:
> jmcquown wrote:
>>
>> The one great thing Hugh Heffner did is fight against censorship. No
>> one was forced to subscribe to his magazine or go to the "Bunny" clubs.
>> He was pretty much the first publisher to push the envelope for freedom
>> of speech. And, BTW, there were some actual articles in that magazine
>> that didn't have anything to do with sex. And some funny cartoons, too.
>>
>> Sure, that's not the reason people subscribed to it. But there was
>> content that was not all about sex.

>
> Playboy magazine certainly had first class articles. The nude
> photos were actually taken with class. Showed the women naked but
> still classy. Other magazines made the nude women look like
> sluts. Big difference. Playboy magazine outclassed all the
> others.
>

I'll bet some people are scrounging around in old boxes right now hoping
they still have the one and only Norma Jean Baker (Marilyn Monroe)
edition of Playboy circa 1959. Worth a pretty penny!

Jill
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On 9/29/2017 2:17 PM, Cheri wrote:
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> ...
>> On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 12:43:08 PM UTC-5,
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh?* So they could have worked in his club with normal clothes on?
>>>
>>>

>> NO one forced those women to seek jobs that the Playboy Club, no
>> one.* No one forces the girls at Hooters to wear low cut, tight
>> T shirts and be amply endowed either.* If they object to the
>> attire they are expected to wear then they need to seek employ-
>> ment elsewhere.* There will always be bars, clubs, strip joints,
>> etc. and those choosing to work in these establishments know the
>> type of place they are seeking employment at before walking through
>> the door.* If they're going to whine, be embarrassed, feel degraded,
>> feel exploited it's best to look elsewhere for a job.
>>
>> They seek employment at these places because they know they're
>> going to be receiving some hefty tips.* They're not working in
>> these places because they'll be receiving paid health benefits
>> and a pension plan.

>
> But I do believe they did have those benefits, more than one had this to
> say:
>
> "Overall pretty satisfied with the benefits package. Company matches
> 401K contributions and vision plan is paid for by the company. Company
> is extremely flexible and there are some perks."
>
>

Like it or not, Hugh Hefner and the Playboy Brand was/is iconic. I'm
quite sure the company paid the employees well and also could afford to
pay health benefits. I'd like to hear from some McDonalds or WalMart
employees who get paid health coverage and a matching 401K plan.

Jill
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:51:22 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

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>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:40:44 -0700 (PDT), Ding - Dong Daddy
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Yup...Hef liberated gals from the constraints of prudish sexual
>> > morality. Women everywhere owe him a HUGE debt of gratitude...

>>
>> Speak for yourself! He was a nasty, grasping dirty old man. Betty
>> Ford, in her day was brave for being frank and admitting she had
>> breast cancer. What did he do? A cartoon in the December issue with
>> what was clearly the White House at night with a one breasted
>> silhouette leaning out the window saying 'All I want for Christmas is
>> my right breast' - cruel in the extreme, totally unnecessary and
>> uncalled for and I certainly don't feel I owe him squat. In fact,
>> THREE CHEERS THE DIRTY BUGGER IS DEAD AT LAST!!

>
>I am sorry for anyone's death but Hugh Hefner's legacy was to make it
>seem women *enjoyed* being exploited and to publically make it seem so.


I was hoping women had seen at least a little light these days, but
not around here it seems
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 19:01:49 -0400, jmcquown >
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>On 9/29/2017 9:02 AM, wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:40:44 -0700 (PDT), Ding - Dong Daddy
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Yup...Hef liberated gals from the constraints of prudish sexual morality. Women everywhere owe him a HUGE debt of gratitude...

>>
>> Speak for yourself! He was a nasty, grasping dirty old man. Betty
>> Ford, in her day was brave for being frank and admitting she had
>> breast cancer. What did he do? A cartoon in the December issue with
>> what was clearly the White House at night with a one breasted
>> silhouette leaning out the window saying 'All I want for Christmas is
>> my right breast' - cruel in the extreme, totally unnecessary and
>> uncalled for and I certainly don't feel I owe him squat. In fact,
>> THREE CHEERS THE DIRTY BUGGER IS DEAD AT LAST!!
>>

>
>I doubt he penned that cartoon himself. He was a publisher, not the
>artist or the author. He probably should have paid more attention
>because what you describe is definitely in poor taste.


I'm sure back then he would have okayed it where it was clearly meant
to be Betty Ford. It was cruel, not just poor taste. She spoke about
how she felt about the op etc to encourage other women back then to
talk about lumps in the breast etc.
>
>Then again, you noticed it, didn't you? Did your husband have a
>subscription? I'd never heard of this Betty Ford cartoon until you
>brought it up here.
>
>Jill

I sat down at a table to have my sandwich at work and the magazine was
laying open at that page. Thankfully David would not have wasted his
money on a subscription, it was a time when we both worked hard to get
the best for our three kids but then, you wouldn't understand that
sort of thing would you?
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On 9/29/2017 6:51 PM, cshenk wrote:

> I am sorry for anyone's death but Hugh Hefner's legacy was to make it
> seem women *enjoyed* being exploited and to publically make it seem so.
>


I wonder if they felt exploited when the checks were cashed
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On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 21:25:25 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:

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>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 17:51:22 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in rec.food.cooking:
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>> >> On Fri, 29 Sep 2017 04:40:44 -0700 (PDT), Ding - Dong Daddy
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Yup...Hef liberated gals from the constraints of prudish sexual
>> >> > morality. Women everywhere owe him a HUGE debt of gratitude...
>> >>
>> >> Speak for yourself! He was a nasty, grasping dirty old man. Betty
>> >> Ford, in her day was brave for being frank and admitting she had
>> >> breast cancer. What did he do? A cartoon in the December issue

>> with >> what was clearly the White House at night with a one breasted
>> >> silhouette leaning out the window saying 'All I want for Christmas

>> is >> my right breast' - cruel in the extreme, totally unnecessary and
>> >> uncalled for and I certainly don't feel I owe him squat. In fact,
>> >> THREE CHEERS THE DIRTY BUGGER IS DEAD AT LAST!!
>> >
>> > I am sorry for anyone's death but Hugh Hefner's legacy was to make
>> > it seem women enjoyed being exploited and to publically make it
>> > seem so.

>>
>> I was hoping women had seen at least a little light these days, but
>> not around here it seems

>
>I think its difficult to even discuss it here. Too many who do not want
>to discuss and instead be trolls.


So far only Cheri's friend, the Boner Troll.


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On 9/29/2017 9:51 PM, Bruce wrote:
> So far only Cheri's friend, the Boner Troll.


Friendly Bwuthe, the troll who divides, but never conquers.
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> wrote in message
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> On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 1:18:44 PM UTC-5, Cheri wrote:
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>> > They seek employment at these places because they know they're
>> > going to be receiving some hefty tips. They're not working in
>> > these places because they'll be receiving paid health benefits
>> > and a pension plan.

>>
>> But I do believe they did have those benefits, more than one had this to
>> say:
>>
>> "Overall pretty satisfied with the benefits package. Company matches 401K
>> contributions and vision plan is paid for by the company. Company is
>> extremely flexible and there are some perks."
>>
>>

> I could see Playboy providing these benefits but your local strip
> joint, I don't think so.




No, I think not on that.

Cheri

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In article >,
Ding - Dong Daddy > wrote:

> Yup...Hef liberated gals from the constraints of prudish sexual morality.
> Women everywhere owe him a HUGE debt of gratitude...


Don't know nothin' 'bout supposedly sordid stuff, but if you like "A
Christmas Story", check this out. Search within the open browser window
for "Playboy".
<http://www.achristmasstoryhouse.com/...ie-facts/trivi
a/>.
How I loved Jean Shepherd's articles of his childhood in Hammond,
Indiana. I prudently cut all the sketchy stuff out of Playboy before I
read Shepherd articles ;-) Yup. I bought Playboy for the articles. I
also have a bridge for sale.
This post's content may already be addressed down-thread by someone
else, and if so, I'm looking forward to reading it.

leo
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> I'll bet some people are scrounging around in old boxes right now hoping
> they still have the one and only Norma Jean Baker (Marilyn Monroe)
> edition of Playboy circa 1959. Worth a pretty penny!


I've seen that issue show up on "Pawn Stars" once or twice.
First issue was December 1953 and Marilyn Monroe was there.
I only remember that bit of trivia because it was the
year I was born. The year of the bunny.
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On 9/30/2017 6:46 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
>> Too many parents leave the raising of their children to the Internet.
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>>

>
> In some cases the internet does a better job.


That sounds glib but I sincerely doubt it's real world efficacy.
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On Friday, September 29, 2017 at 9:39:06 AM UTC-10, Casa de Masa wrote:
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> And still...
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...res-1960s.html
>
> A recruitment brochure for Bunnies working at Hugh Hefner's Playboy
> Clubs in the early 1960s touts custom outfits, a glamorous lifestyle,
> access to celebrities and promises 'you'll earn far more than other girls..'
>
> Playboy Clubs were exclusive bars, nightclubs and casinos that served
> food and drink from 11.30am until 'the wee small hours' that began
> opening in 1960 and thrived from Las Vegas and New York to London and
> Tokyo through the 1980s.
>
> The lovely young waitresses and servers were the the signature
> attraction at the clubs. Each one wore a skimpy bunny costumes -
> complete with ears and a bushy tail.
>
> Some of the Bunnies were former Playboy magazine models, but most were
> aspiring actresses, models, singers or other ambitious women who were
> hoping to tap into the glamorous world of Playboy.


I think you're right about the girls wanting to be a part of that glamorous world. The patriots of the clubs shared a similar vision. If you can sell access to a world that folks long to inhabit, you'll probably make it rich. Starbucks isn't selling coffee - it's selling a lifestyle.
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On 9/30/2017 4:48 PM, jmcquown wrote:
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> last straw.
>
> Jill



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