"Ophelia" > wrote in message
...
> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >
> On 10/22/2017 11:18 AM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:56 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/22/2017 9:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-10-22 8:29 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them plain so
>>>>>> the dog
>>>>>> could have some. Was a really good meal!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Check the meatball ingredients list for onion products. Onions are
>>>>> dangerously toxic to dogs.
>>>>
>>>> The little bit of onion that would be in a couple meatballs would not
>>>> be
>>>> enough to make dog sick. They have to eat more than .5% of their body
>>>> weight before it becomes a problem.
>>>>
>>> Miniscule amount or not, I wouldn't take the chance. It's not *her*
>>> dog. It's nice she wants to help out. She could just as easily buy dog
>>> food for it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> The damage from the toxin in onion is cumulative in dogs and cats...
>> they don't eliminate it which is why it's toxic... all those small
>> amounts add up. The toxin attaches to and destroys their red blood
>> cells. The toxin is concentrated in dehy onion. No amount of onion
>> is safe, the size of the dog makes no difference.
>> http://www.akc.org/content/health/ar...gs-eat-onions/
>>
> It is cumulative, to be sure. As is garlic. At any rate, it's not her
> dog. I have no idea why she thinks she needs to "cook" for it. Next
> thing you know it will be eating beans and farting.
>
> Jill
>
> ==
>
> I cook for my dog. No, I don't give her what we eat. I cook especially
> for her.

Me too, but I could eat what she eats if I so desired. On a side note, our
dog Ollie used to go through the vineyard eating the Tokay grapes almost
daily when they were ripe, he never had a problem with sickness etc., so I
think some dogs are bothered by things, and some aren't.

Cheri

On 10/22/2017 3:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>> What, we can't read it ourselves if we choose? I don't need Bruce,
>> ever.
>
> I think I need him...

That truly says a lot more than I think you would imagine...

"Casa lo pensa" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/22/2017 3:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> What, we can't read it ourselves if we choose? I don't need Bruce, ever.
>>>
>>
>> I think I need him...
>
> That truly says a lot more than I think you would imagine...


LOL, for sure. Ewwwwwwww.

Cheri

On 10/22/2017 4:09 PM, Cheri wrote:
> "Casa lo pensa" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 10/22/2017 3:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> What, we can't read it ourselves if we choose? I don't need Bruce,
>>>> ever.
>>>
>>> I think I need him...
>>
>> That truly says a lot more than I think you would imagine...
>
>
> LOL, for sure. Ewwwwwwww.
>
> Cheri

Now the gardener is worried...


%-)

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 12:00:20 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>
>
> I cook for mine, and freeze in portions. I always heat in the microwave
> until warm before I feed her. She eats good, meat, veggies, and a bit for
> rice occasionally, plus a TBS of cottage cheese and a tsp or so of pumpkin
> daily. I buy her meat in the reduced meat section so she gets a fair
> variety.
>
> Cheri

Mostly, we don't cook for animals. However, we like to cook the animals.

On 10/22/2017 2:41 PM, Ophelia wrote:
> "jmcquown"Â* wrote in message news >
> On 10/22/2017 11:18 AM, wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:56 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/22/2017 9:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-10-22 8:29 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them plain so
>>>>>> the dog
>>>>>> could have some. Was a really good meal!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Â*Â*Â* Check the meatball ingredients list for onion products. Onions are
>>>>> dangerouslyÂ* toxic to dogs.
>>>>
>>>> The little bit of onion that would be in a couple meatballs would
>>>> not be
>>>> enough to make dog sick. They have to eat more than .5% of their body
>>>> weight before it becomes a problem.
>>>>
>>> Miniscule amount or not, I wouldn't take the chance.Â* It's not *her*
>>> dog.Â* It's nice she wants to help out.Â* She could just as easily buy dog
>>> food for it.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> The damage from the toxin in onion is cumulative in dogs and cats...
>> they don't eliminate it which is why it's toxic... all those small
>> amounts add up.Â* The toxin attaches to and destroys their red blood
>> cells.Â* The toxin is concentrated in dehy onion.Â*Â* No amount of onion
>> Â* is safe, the size of the dog makes no difference.
>> http://www.akc.org/content/health/ar...gs-eat-onions/
>>
> It is cumulative, to be sure.Â* As is garlic.Â* At any rate, it's not her
> dog.Â* I have no idea why she thinks she needs to "cook" for it.Â* Next
> thing you know it will be eating beans and farting.
>
> Jill
>
> ==
>
> I cook for my dog.Â* No, I don't give her what we eat.Â* I cook especially
> for her.
>
>
>
You don't feed her "cheap frozen Armour meatballs", I'm sure.

Jill

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 15:09:55 -0700, "Cheri" >
wrote:

>"Casa lo pensa" > wrote in message
>news
>> On 10/22/2017 3:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>> What, we can't read it ourselves if we choose? I don't need Bruce, ever.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think I need him...
>>
>> That truly says a lot more than I think you would imagine...
>
>
>LOL, for sure. Ewwwwwwww.

Cheri, junior school is in your distant past.

Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:

>
> "Bruce" > wrote in message
> ... >On Sun, 22 Oct
> 2017 15:32:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
> >
> > > dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 8:17:02 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
> > > > >
> >>>> There are many people who 'cook for the dogs'. They use careful
> >>>> recipes that are geared to the needs of the specific dog and any
> >>>> sort of medical issue it may have. It's generally done in batches
> >>>> then frozen and defrosted in daily amounts.
> > > > >
> >>>> Carol
> > > > >
> >>>> --
> > > >
> > > > Preparing foods for dogs should be easy. You just throw some
> > > > raw meat in their general direction. "Cooking" for them seems
> > > > odd. Is it necessary to heat up their foods?
> > > p
> > > Sorry but to give nutrition, its not that simple.
> >
> > If they eat that way themselves, what can you expect?
>
> But dogs in the wild don't last as long as house pets.

True and trying to pretend a domesticated dog is the same as a wolf
doesnt work either. There's just enough split that the diet isnt what
some think. I know just enough to know that for most of us, a decent
kibble is better balanced and enough to know what I can safely add to
make it more fun for my dogs.

--

On 2017-10-22 9:59 PM, cshenk wrote:

> True and trying to pretend a domesticated dog is the same as a wolf
> doesnt work either. There's just enough split that the diet isnt what
> some think. I know just enough to know that for most of us, a decent
> kibble is better balanced and enough to know what I can safely add to
> make it more fun for my dogs.
>

You should check out the coyote scat that I see behind my place when I
walk the dog back there. During cherry season there are lots of cherry
pits in it. When blackberries and raspberries are in season there are
tiny berry seeds. Later on they are loaded with corn kernels. Last fall
there were a number of bright orange turds and some pumpkin seeds.
Given the number and proximity of them, it looked like pumpkin really is
a laxative for coyotes. During the winter and early spring their turds
have a lot of hair in them.

On 10/22/2017 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
> On 2017-10-22 9:59 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>> True and trying to pretend a domesticated dog is the same as a wolf
>> doesnt work either.Â* There's just enough split that the diet isnt what
>> some think.Â* I know just enough to know that for most of us, a decent
>> kibble is better balanced and enough to know what I can safely add to
>> make it more fun for my dogs.
>>
>
> You should check out the coyote scat that I see behind my place when I
> walk the dog back there.Â* During cherry season there are lots of cherry
> pits in it. When blackberries and raspberries are in season there are
> tiny berry seeds. Later on they are loaded with corn kernels.Â* Last fall
> there were a number of bright orange turdsÂ* and some pumpkin seeds.
> Given the number and proximity of them, it looked like pumpkin really is
> a laxative for coyotes.Â* During the winter and early spring their turds
> have a lot of hair in them.

Coyotes are not housepets, either. You don't serve them Armour frozen
meatballs, do you?

Jill

On 2017-10-22 10:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
> On 10/22/2017 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-10-22 9:59 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>> True and trying to pretend a domesticated dog is the same as a wolf
>>> doesnt work either.Â* There's just enough split that the diet isnt what
>>> some think.Â* I know just enough to know that for most of us, a decent
>>> kibble is better balanced and enough to know what I can safely add to
>>> make it more fun for my dogs.
>>>
>>
>> You should check out the coyote scat that I see behind my place when I
>> walk the dog back there.Â* During cherry season there are lots of
>> cherry pits in it. When blackberries and raspberries are in season
>> there are tiny berry seeds. Later on they are loaded with corn
>> kernels.Â* Last fall there were a number of bright orange turdsÂ* and
>> some pumpkin seeds. Given the number and proximity of them, it looked
>> like pumpkin really is a laxative for coyotes.Â* During the winter and
>> early spring their turds have a lot of hair in them.
>
> Coyotes are not housepets, either.Â* You don't serve them Armour frozen
> meatballs, do you?
>
>

I don't feed them anything. They help themselves.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:59:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
> wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:56 -0400, jmcquown >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 10/22/2017 9:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-10-22 8:29 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them plain so
>>>>>> the dog
>>>>>> could have some. Was a really good meal!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Check the meatball ingredients list for onion products. Onions are
>>>>> dangerously toxic to dogs.
>>>>
>>>> The little bit of onion that would be in a couple meatballs would not be
>>>> enough to make dog sick. They have to eat more than .5% of their body
>>>> weight before it becomes a problem.
>>>>
>>>Miniscule amount or not, I wouldn't take the chance. It's not *her*
>>>dog. It's nice she wants to help out. She could just as easily buy dog
>>>food for it.
>>>
>>>Jill
>>
>> The damage from the toxin in onion is cumulative in dogs and cats...
>> they don't eliminate it which is why it's toxic... all those small
>> amounts add up. The toxin attaches to and destroys their red blood
>> cells. The toxin is concentrated in dehy onion. No amount of onion
>> is safe, the size of the dog makes no difference.
>> http://www.akc.org/content/health/ar...gs-eat-onions/
>
>Here's how I think about it. In the old days, there was no "dog" food.
>People often fed the dogs and cats table scraps and the animals survived.
>People still give their animals scraps often without thinking of the
>ingredients. I used to babysit for some people who put their plates on the
>floor after eating and let their dogs lick them clean. Another family bought
>their dog a McDonald's burger for his birthday every year complete with
>onion and ketchup. Tomatoes are also not good for dogs and ketchup likely
>has onion in it as well. All of those dogs lived to the age of about 15-17.

I agree with you here, Julie. Before my two dogs died (big dogs,
lived to 14-15 years), I used to give them all kinds of leftovers.
Lasagne, curry, you name it, they scarfed it up. If I didn't purposely
feed them that stuff, they would sniff it out and "liberate" it from
the garbage.

The only thing I was careful about was chocolate, but that wasn't too
much of a problem because I ate it all before they could get to it.

Doris

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:54:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>news
>> On 10/22/2017 9:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-10-22 8:29 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them plain so the
>>>>> dog
>>>>> could have some. Was a really good meal!
>>>>>
>>>> Check the meatball ingredients list for onion products. Onions are
>>>> dangerously toxic to dogs.
>>>
>>> The little bit of onion that would be in a couple meatballs would not be
>>> enough to make dog sick. They have to eat more than .5% of their body
>>> weight before it becomes a problem.
>>>
>>>
>> Miniscule amount or not, I wouldn't take the chance. It's not *her* dog.
>> It's nice she wants to help out. She could just as easily buy dog food
>> for it.
>
>Not my dog and the owners know what he is eating. I told them that the mac
>and cheese was for him. He had some baby carrots too. He would not eat those
>prior but he did eat them last night. I gather that he had a rather meager
>and restricted diet prior. I'm not buying him dog food. But when I am
>cooking, I will use the ingredients and make a small portion, leaving some
>things out when I can so the food is suitable for him.

It's good of you to do that, Julie.

Baby carrots are good for dogs. My vet told me to give them to my lab
instead of dog treats. Said they were like candy for dogs. I don't
know - I doubt that my dog felt that way about them. She got rather
tired of them after a while.

Doris

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:59:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:56 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 10/22/2017 9:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2017-10-22 8:29 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them plain so
>>>>>>> the dog
>>>>>>> could have some. Was a really good meal!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check the meatball ingredients list for onion products. Onions are
>>>>>> dangerously toxic to dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> The little bit of onion that would be in a couple meatballs would not
>>>>> be
>>>>> enough to make dog sick. They have to eat more than .5% of their body
>>>>> weight before it becomes a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>Miniscule amount or not, I wouldn't take the chance. It's not *her*
>>>>dog. It's nice she wants to help out. She could just as easily buy dog
>>>>food for it.
>>>>
>>>>Jill
>>>
>>> The damage from the toxin in onion is cumulative in dogs and cats...
>>> they don't eliminate it which is why it's toxic... all those small
>>> amounts add up. The toxin attaches to and destroys their red blood
>>> cells. The toxin is concentrated in dehy onion. No amount of onion
>>> is safe, the size of the dog makes no difference.
>>> http://www.akc.org/content/health/ar...gs-eat-onions/
>>
>>Here's how I think about it. In the old days, there was no "dog" food.
>>People often fed the dogs and cats table scraps and the animals survived.
>>People still give their animals scraps often without thinking of the
>>ingredients. I used to babysit for some people who put their plates on the
>>floor after eating and let their dogs lick them clean. Another family
>>bought
>>their dog a McDonald's burger for his birthday every year complete with
>>onion and ketchup. Tomatoes are also not good for dogs and ketchup likely
>>has onion in it as well. All of those dogs lived to the age of about
>>15-17.
>
> I agree with you here, Julie. Before my two dogs died (big dogs,
> lived to 14-15 years), I used to give them all kinds of leftovers.
> Lasagne, curry, you name it, they scarfed it up. If I didn't purposely
> feed them that stuff, they would sniff it out and "liberate" it from
> the garbage.
>
> The only thing I was careful about was chocolate, but that wasn't too
> much of a problem because I ate it all before they could get to it.
>
> Doris

In the old days I would share some of my chocolate bar with Freckles often,
she always looked forward to it, and never had a problem. Now, I wouldn't do
it just because I wouldn't want to take the chance, but nobody ever said a
thing about it back then and the dogs ate just about everything.

Cheri

"Doris Night" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:54:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On 10/22/2017 9:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-10-22 8:29 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >,
>>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them plain so
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> dog
>>>>>> could have some. Was a really good meal!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Check the meatball ingredients list for onion products. Onions are
>>>>> dangerously toxic to dogs.
>>>>
>>>> The little bit of onion that would be in a couple meatballs would not
>>>> be
>>>> enough to make dog sick. They have to eat more than .5% of their body
>>>> weight before it becomes a problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Miniscule amount or not, I wouldn't take the chance. It's not *her*
>>> dog.
>>> It's nice she wants to help out. She could just as easily buy dog food
>>> for it.
>>
>>Not my dog and the owners know what he is eating. I told them that the mac
>>and cheese was for him. He had some baby carrots too. He would not eat
>>those
>>prior but he did eat them last night. I gather that he had a rather meager
>>and restricted diet prior. I'm not buying him dog food. But when I am
>>cooking, I will use the ingredients and make a small portion, leaving some
>>things out when I can so the food is suitable for him.
>
> It's good of you to do that, Julie.
>
> Baby carrots are good for dogs. My vet told me to give them to my lab
> instead of dog treats. Said they were like candy for dogs. I don't
> know - I doubt that my dog felt that way about them. She got rather
> tired of them after a while.

My friend's dog loves them. This dog also likes to be fed with a fork/spoon.
I had a cat who was like that.

"Cheri" > wrote in message
news
> "Doris Night" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:59:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
> wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:56 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 10/22/2017 9:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2017-10-22 8:29 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them plain so
>>>>>>>> the dog
>>>>>>>> could have some. Was a really good meal!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check the meatball ingredients list for onion products. Onions are
>>>>>>> dangerously toxic to dogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The little bit of onion that would be in a couple meatballs would not
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> enough to make dog sick. They have to eat more than .5% of their body
>>>>>> weight before it becomes a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>Miniscule amount or not, I wouldn't take the chance. It's not *her*
>>>>>dog. It's nice she wants to help out. She could just as easily buy
>>>>>dog
>>>>>food for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jill
>>>>
>>>> The damage from the toxin in onion is cumulative in dogs and cats...
>>>> they don't eliminate it which is why it's toxic... all those small
>>>> amounts add up. The toxin attaches to and destroys their red blood
>>>> cells. The toxin is concentrated in dehy onion. No amount of onion
>>>> is safe, the size of the dog makes no difference.
>>>> http://www.akc.org/content/health/ar...gs-eat-onions/
>>>
>>>Here's how I think about it. In the old days, there was no "dog" food.
>>>People often fed the dogs and cats table scraps and the animals survived.
>>>People still give their animals scraps often without thinking of the
>>>ingredients. I used to babysit for some people who put their plates on
>>>the
>>>floor after eating and let their dogs lick them clean. Another family
>>>bought
>>>their dog a McDonald's burger for his birthday every year complete with
>>>onion and ketchup. Tomatoes are also not good for dogs and ketchup likely
>>>has onion in it as well. All of those dogs lived to the age of about
>>>15-17.
>>
>> I agree with you here, Julie. Before my two dogs died (big dogs,
>> lived to 14-15 years), I used to give them all kinds of leftovers.
>> Lasagne, curry, you name it, they scarfed it up. If I didn't purposely
>> feed them that stuff, they would sniff it out and "liberate" it from
>> the garbage.
>>
>> The only thing I was careful about was chocolate, but that wasn't too
>> much of a problem because I ate it all before they could get to it.
>>
>> Doris
>
> In the old days I would share some of my chocolate bar with Freckles
> often, she always looked forward to it, and never had a problem. Now, I
> wouldn't do it just because I wouldn't want to take the chance, but nobody
> ever said a thing about it back then and the dogs ate just about
> everything.

I remember buying "Good Boy Choco Drops" for our dogs. I think they were
made of carob though. My friend's dog's vet said the darker the chocolate
the worse it is for dogs. A small amount of milk chocolate might not hurt
them.

"Casa lo pensa" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/22/2017 3:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> What, we can't read it ourselves if we choose? I don't need Bruce, ever.
>>>
>>
>> I think I need him...
>
> That truly says a lot more than I think you would imagine...

Hmmm...

"Casa lo pensa" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/22/2017 4:09 PM, Cheri wrote:
>> "Casa lo pensa" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On 10/22/2017 3:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>> What, we can't read it ourselves if we choose? I don't need Bruce,
>>>>> ever.
>>>>
>>>> I think I need him...
>>>
>>> That truly says a lot more than I think you would imagine...
>>
>>
>> LOL, for sure. Ewwwwwwww.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Now the gardener is worried...
>
>
> %-)

I may have seduced Bruce with my food! I made blueberry muffins tonight.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 23:20:00 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Casa lo pensa" > wrote in message
>news
>> On 10/22/2017 4:09 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Casa lo pensa" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 10/22/2017 3:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> What, we can't read it ourselves if we choose? I don't need Bruce,
>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I need him...
>>>>
>>>> That truly says a lot more than I think you would imagine...
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL, for sure. Ewwwwwwww.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Now the gardener is worried...
>>
>>
>> %-)
>
>I may have seduced Bruce with my food! I made blueberry muffins tonight.

LOL

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/22/2017 2:16 PM, cshenk wrote:
>> jmcquown wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>
>>> On 10/22/2017 11:18 AM, wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:56 -0400, jmcquown >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/22/2017 9:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>>> On 2017-10-22 8:29 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them
>>>>>>>> plain so the dog
>>>>>>>> could have some. Was a really good meal!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Check the meatball ingredients list for onion products.
>>> Onions are
>>>>>>> dangerously toxic to dogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The little bit of onion that would be in a couple meatballs
>>>>>> would not be enough to make dog sick. They have to eat more
>>>>>> than .5% of their body weight before it becomes a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Miniscule amount or not, I wouldn't take the chance. It's not her
>>>>> dog. It's nice she wants to help out. She could just as easily
>>>>> buy dog food for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jill
>>>>
>>>> The damage from the toxin in onion is cumulative in dogs and cats...
>>>> they don't eliminate it which is why it's toxic... all those small
>>>> amounts add up. The toxin attaches to and destroys their red blood
>>>> cells. The toxin is concentrated in dehy onion. No amount of
>>>> onion is safe, the size of the dog makes no difference.
>>>> http://www.akc.org/content/health/ar...gs-eat-onions/
>>>>
>>> It is cumulative, to be sure. As is garlic. At any rate, it's not
>>> her dog. I have no idea why she thinks she needs to "cook" for it.
>>> Next thing you know it will be eating beans and farting.
>>>
>>> Jill
>>
>> There are many people who 'cook for the dogs'. They use careful
>> recipes that are geared to the needs of the specific dog and any sort
>> of medical issue it may have. It's generally done in batches then
>> frozen and defrosted in daily amounts.
>>
>> Carol
>>
> I'm aware many people cook for *their* dogs, especially if they have
> health issues. Careful recipes. Not cheap Armour frozen meatballs.

Those were not intended for the dog although he did eat some. I am not a big
meat eater and unless I am cooking for someone else, I might not even have
any in the house aside from perhaps some canned chicken or other canned
foods that contain meat. But... I also know that most people seem to feel
the need to eat meat. The reason for this escapes me as I myself never feel
the need.

Tonight's dinner was mistaken for jambalaya. Eek! No name for what I made
but it had the rest of my brown rice so close to three cups (dry), 3 cans of
different beans, an onion, 4 bell peppers, assorted tomato products, chiles,
a little jalapeno Tabasco, salt, pepper, parsley, chili powder, cumin and
cilantro. Also most of a pound of grass fed, organic ground beef. I saved
out enough of the rice and beef for the dog for a couple of meals. Once
cooked and mixed together, I added various types of Mexican cheese. Perhaps
a bit too much cheese. There was a bit of heat to the dish. Not a lot. It
was okay. I've made better. Needed more Rotel but I had no more. Perhaps a
bit too much tomato sauce too. The good thing is that it was cheap, filling
and there is enough for another couple of meals at least. Perhaps I should
get some nice big zucchinis and stuff them with the leftovers. That actually
sounds good!

I also baked a couple of white sweet potatoes and a batch of blueberry
muffins. The dog didn't like the sweet potatoes at first but eventually
warmed up to them.

I have three cooked chicken breasts that need to be eaten by tomorrow. Will
see what I can do with those. Maybe hot sandwiches and soup.

"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 14:53:17 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 15:32:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 8:17:02 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There are many people who 'cook for the dogs'. They use careful
>>>>> > recipes that are geared to the needs of the specific dog and any
>>>>> > sort of medical issue it may have. It's generally done in batches
>>>>> > then frozen and defrosted in daily amounts.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Carol
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>>
>>>>> Preparing foods for dogs should be easy. You just throw some raw meat
>>>>> in their general direction. "Cooking" for them seems odd. Is it
>>>>> necessary to heat up their foods?
>>>>p
>>>>Sorry but to give nutrition, its not that simple.
>>>
>>> If they eat that way themselves, what can you expect?
>>
>>But dogs in the wild don't last as long as house pets.
>
> No, they have pretty rough lives.

Hi Bruce! I think I neeeeeeeed you!

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2017-10-22 9:59 PM, cshenk wrote:
>
>> True and trying to pretend a domesticated dog is the same as a wolf
>> doesnt work either. There's just enough split that the diet isnt what
>> some think. I know just enough to know that for most of us, a decent
>> kibble is better balanced and enough to know what I can safely add to
>> make it more fun for my dogs.
>>
>
> You should check out the coyote scat that I see behind my place when I
> walk the dog back there. During cherry season there are lots of cherry
> pits in it. When blackberries and raspberries are in season there are tiny
> berry seeds. Later on they are loaded with corn kernels. Last fall there
> were a number of bright orange turds and some pumpkin seeds. Given the
> number and proximity of them, it looked like pumpkin really is a laxative
> for coyotes. During the winter and early spring their turds have a lot of
> hair in them.

TMI Dave! I choose not to check out scat. Ew, ew, ew!

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/22/2017 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>> On 2017-10-22 9:59 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>
>>> True and trying to pretend a domesticated dog is the same as a wolf
>>> doesnt work either. There's just enough split that the diet isnt what
>>> some think. I know just enough to know that for most of us, a decent
>>> kibble is better balanced and enough to know what I can safely add to
>>> make it more fun for my dogs.
>>>
>>
>> You should check out the coyote scat that I see behind my place when I
>> walk the dog back there. During cherry season there are lots of cherry
>> pits in it. When blackberries and raspberries are in season there are
>> tiny berry seeds. Later on they are loaded with corn kernels. Last fall
>> there were a number of bright orange turds and some pumpkin seeds. Given
>> the number and proximity of them, it looked like pumpkin really is a
>> laxative for coyotes. During the winter and early spring their turds have
>> a lot of hair in them.
>
> Coyotes are not housepets, either. You don't serve them Armour frozen
> meatballs, do you?

I think I did it once but I also think it was in a dream.

"Dave Smith" > wrote in message
...
> On 2017-10-22 10:22 PM, jmcquown wrote:
>> On 10/22/2017 10:11 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>> On 2017-10-22 9:59 PM, cshenk wrote:
>>>
>>>> True and trying to pretend a domesticated dog is the same as a wolf
>>>> doesnt work either. There's just enough split that the diet isnt what
>>>> some think. I know just enough to know that for most of us, a decent
>>>> kibble is better balanced and enough to know what I can safely add to
>>>> make it more fun for my dogs.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You should check out the coyote scat that I see behind my place when I
>>> walk the dog back there. During cherry season there are lots of cherry
>>> pits in it. When blackberries and raspberries are in season there are
>>> tiny berry seeds. Later on they are loaded with corn kernels. Last fall
>>> there were a number of bright orange turds and some pumpkin seeds. Given
>>> the number and proximity of them, it looked like pumpkin really is a
>>> laxative for coyotes. During the winter and early spring their turds
>>> have a lot of hair in them.
>>
>> Coyotes are not housepets, either. You don't serve them Armour frozen
>> meatballs, do you?
>>
>
> I don't feed them anything. They help themselves.

How does Megatron feel about that?

"dsi1" > wrote in message
...
> On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 12:00:20 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>>
>>
>> I cook for mine, and freeze in portions. I always heat in the microwave
>> until warm before I feed her. She eats good, meat, veggies, and a bit for
>> rice occasionally, plus a TBS of cottage cheese and a tsp or so of
>> pumpkin
>> daily. I buy her meat in the reduced meat section so she gets a fair
>> variety.
>>
>> Cheri
>
> Mostly, we don't cook for animals. However, we like to cook the animals.

Please don't tell Bruce! Did you know that I think I need him?

"jmcquown" > wrote in message
news
> On 10/22/2017 2:41 PM, Ophelia wrote:
>> "jmcquown" wrote in message news >>
>> On 10/22/2017 11:18 AM, wrote:
>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:56 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/22/2017 9:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2017-10-22 8:29 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>> In article >,
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them plain so
>>>>>>> the dog
>>>>>>> could have some. Was a really good meal!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check the meatball ingredients list for onion products. Onions are
>>>>>> dangerously toxic to dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> The little bit of onion that would be in a couple meatballs would not
>>>>> be
>>>>> enough to make dog sick. They have to eat more than .5% of their body
>>>>> weight before it becomes a problem.
>>>>>
>>>> Miniscule amount or not, I wouldn't take the chance. It's not *her*
>>>> dog. It's nice she wants to help out. She could just as easily buy dog
>>>> food for it.
>>>>
>>>> Jill
>>>
>>> The damage from the toxin in onion is cumulative in dogs and cats...
>>> they don't eliminate it which is why it's toxic... all those small
>>> amounts add up. The toxin attaches to and destroys their red blood
>>> cells. The toxin is concentrated in dehy onion. No amount of onion
>>> is safe, the size of the dog makes no difference.
>>> http://www.akc.org/content/health/ar...gs-eat-onions/
>>>
>> It is cumulative, to be sure. As is garlic. At any rate, it's not her
>> dog. I have no idea why she thinks she needs to "cook" for it. Next
>> thing you know it will be eating beans and farting.
>>
>> Jill
>>
>> ==
>>
>> I cook for my dog. No, I don't give her what we eat. I cook especially
>> for her.
>>
>>
>>
> You don't feed her "cheap frozen Armour meatballs", I'm sure.

I don't normally even buy those. Normally I would have just served the
stuffed shells but the people I am cooking for have the need for meat.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 23:33:35 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:

>
>"Bruce" > wrote in message
.. .
>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 14:53:17 -0700, "Julie Bove"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Bruce" > wrote in message
...
>>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 15:32:32 -0500, "cshenk" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>dsi1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 8:17:02 AM UTC-10, cshenk wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > There are many people who 'cook for the dogs'. They use careful
>>>>>> > recipes that are geared to the needs of the specific dog and any
>>>>>> > sort of medical issue it may have. It's generally done in batches
>>>>>> > then frozen and defrosted in daily amounts.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Carol
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Preparing foods for dogs should be easy. You just throw some raw meat
>>>>>> in their general direction. "Cooking" for them seems odd. Is it
>>>>>> necessary to heat up their foods?
>>>>>p
>>>>>Sorry but to give nutrition, its not that simple.
>>>>
>>>> If they eat that way themselves, what can you expect?
>>>
>>>But dogs in the wild don't last as long as house pets.
>>
>> No, they have pretty rough lives.
>
>Hi Bruce! I think I neeeeeeeed you!

lol!

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 8:34:59 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> TMI Dave! I choose not to check out scat. Ew, ew, ew!

The company that I worked for once had a guy whose dog ate his hearing aid. He brought in a bag of turds and asked if they could put it together. Luckily, I was not working for the company at the time.

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 8:37:19 PM UTC-10, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> Please don't tell Bruce! Did you know that I think I need him?

You... complete him.

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 1:31:10 PM UTC-4, U.S. Janet B. wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 00:48:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> > wrote:
>
> >We had these for dinner. I had to wing it because I forgot to buy some of
> >the cheeses I had intended to. Basically cooked and cooled the large shell
> >pasta. Stuffed with a mixture of a large container of Ricotta, box of frozen
> >spinach, cooked and squeezed of water, the remains of a package of shredded
> >mozzarella, 4 string cheeses, cut into small pieces, couple of handfuls of
> >grated Parmesan, dried parsley, pepper, forgot salt but didn't need it.
> >Layer of marinara sauce, topped with the stuffed shells, smothered in more
> >sauce. Baked at 375, covered for 40 min. then at 400 uncovered for another
> >15 min. Topped with a couple of handfuls of shredded Parmesan.
> >
> >I had some extra shells leftover so I cut them into small pieces and mixed
> >with a plain cheese sauce. Normally I would put a little mustard and onion
> >in there but it was for a dog so I didn't add these or any other seasonings.
> >Dog loved it! He also had baby carrots.
> >
> >Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them plain so the dog
> >could have some. Was a really good meal!
>
> You did good winging it. That's the way to make stuffed shells.
> Janet US

That's "a" way to make stuffed shells. I prefer them with ground veal.

Cindy Hamilton

I usually pay $2.49 for Armour meatballs.

On 10/22/2017 11:05 PM, Doris Night wrote:

> The only thing I was careful about was chocolate, but that wasn't too
> much of a problem because I ate it all before they could get to it.

I really admire you for taking such good care of your pets like that.

I'm going to try to be more like you.

nancy

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 23:05:12 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:59:40 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
. ..
>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:56 -0400, jmcquown >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 10/22/2017 9:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>>> On 2017-10-22 8:29 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them plain so
>>>>>>> the dog
>>>>>>> could have some. Was a really good meal!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Check the meatball ingredients list for onion products. Onions are
>>>>>> dangerously toxic to dogs.
>>>>>
>>>>> The little bit of onion that would be in a couple meatballs would not be
>>>>> enough to make dog sick. They have to eat more than .5% of their body
>>>>> weight before it becomes a problem.
>>>>>
>>>>Miniscule amount or not, I wouldn't take the chance. It's not *her*
>>>>dog. It's nice she wants to help out. She could just as easily buy dog
>>>>food for it.
>>>>
>>>>Jill
>>>
>>> The damage from the toxin in onion is cumulative in dogs and cats...
>>> they don't eliminate it which is why it's toxic... all those small
>>> amounts add up. The toxin attaches to and destroys their red blood
>>> cells. The toxin is concentrated in dehy onion. No amount of onion
>>> is safe, the size of the dog makes no difference.
>>> http://www.akc.org/content/health/ar...gs-eat-onions/
>>
>>Here's how I think about it. In the old days, there was no "dog" food.
>>People often fed the dogs and cats table scraps and the animals survived.
>>People still give their animals scraps often without thinking of the
>>ingredients. I used to babysit for some people who put their plates on the
>>floor after eating and let their dogs lick them clean. Another family bought
>>their dog a McDonald's burger for his birthday every year complete with
>>onion and ketchup. Tomatoes are also not good for dogs and ketchup likely
>>has onion in it as well. All of those dogs lived to the age of about 15-17.
>
>I agree with you here, Julie. Before my two dogs died (big dogs,
>lived to 14-15 years), I used to give them all kinds of leftovers.
>Lasagne, curry, you name it, they scarfed it up. If I didn't purposely
>feed them that stuff, they would sniff it out and "liberate" it from
>the garbage.
>
>The only thing I was careful about was chocolate, but that wasn't too
>much of a problem because I ate it all before they could get to it.
>
>Doris

lol - our lab loved a plate full of leftovers and as you say, it was
scarfed up - - - all except the peas! We were never sure how he
managed it eating so quickly but they were always there, licked clean,
but not eaten

On 2017-10-22 11:10 PM, Doris Night wrote:
>
> Baby carrots are good for dogs. My vet told me to give them to my lab
> instead of dog treats. Said they were like candy for dogs. I don't
> know - I doubt that my dog felt that way about them. She got rather
> tired of them after a while.

My brother's Lab loved carrots. They were one of his favourite treats,
though he liked just about everything. He was seriously overweight, but
he always had nice white teeth.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 23:10:14 -0400, Doris Night
> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 13:54:39 -0700, "Julie Bove"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"jmcquown" > wrote in message
>>news
>>> On 10/22/2017 9:42 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
>>>> On 2017-10-22 8:29 AM, Janet wrote:
>>>>> In article >, says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Meatballs on the side. Cheap Armour frozen ones. Made them plain so the
>>>>>> dog
>>>>>> could have some. Was a really good meal!
>>>>>>
>>>>> Check the meatball ingredients list for onion products. Onions are
>>>>> dangerously toxic to dogs.
>>>>
>>>> The little bit of onion that would be in a couple meatballs would not be
>>>> enough to make dog sick. They have to eat more than .5% of their body
>>>> weight before it becomes a problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Miniscule amount or not, I wouldn't take the chance. It's not *her* dog.
>>> It's nice she wants to help out. She could just as easily buy dog food
>>> for it.
>>
>>Not my dog and the owners know what he is eating. I told them that the mac
>>and cheese was for him. He had some baby carrots too. He would not eat those
>>prior but he did eat them last night. I gather that he had a rather meager
>>and restricted diet prior. I'm not buying him dog food. But when I am
>>cooking, I will use the ingredients and make a small portion, leaving some
>>things out when I can so the food is suitable for him.
>
>It's good of you to do that, Julie.
>
>Baby carrots are good for dogs. My vet told me to give them to my lab
>instead of dog treats. Said they were like candy for dogs. I don't
>know - I doubt that my dog felt that way about them. She got rather
>tired of them after a while.
>
>Doris

Both cats and dogs like carrots because they are sweet, most critters
like carrots, they are like candy. Carrots are excellent for cats,
the extra fiber helps pass hair balls... so does winter squash. Canned
pumpkin is actually butternut squash... I freeze one tablespoon
portions to add to the cat's food.

In article >, says...
>
> "Dave Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On 2017-10-22 9:59 PM, cshenk wrote:
> >
> >> True and trying to pretend a domesticated dog is the same as a wolf
> >> doesnt work either. There's just enough split that the diet isnt what
> >> some think. I know just enough to know that for most of us, a decent
> >> kibble is better balanced and enough to know what I can safely add to
> >> make it more fun for my dogs.
> >>
> >
> > You should check out the coyote scat that I see behind my place when I
> > walk the dog back there. During cherry season there are lots of cherry
> > pits in it. When blackberries and raspberries are in season there are tiny
> > berry seeds. Later on they are loaded with corn kernels. Last fall there
> > were a number of bright orange turds and some pumpkin seeds. Given the
> > number and proximity of them, it looked like pumpkin really is a laxative
> > for coyotes. During the winter and early spring their turds have a lot of
> > hair in them.
>
> TMI Dave! I choose not to check out scat. Ew, ew, ew!

Any competent owner checks out what their dog/cat passes, every day
when they clean it up. Faeces are an important indicator of diet
suitability and health.

Janet UK

On 10/23/2017 12:20 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "Casa lo pensa" > wrote in message
> news
>> On 10/22/2017 4:09 PM, Cheri wrote:
>>> "Casa lo pensa" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On 10/22/2017 3:10 PM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>>>>> What, we can't read it ourselves if we choose? I don't need Bruce,
>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I need him...
>>>>
>>>> That truly says a lot more than I think you would imagine...
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL, for sure. Ewwwwwwww.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Now the gardener is worried...
>>
>>
>> %-)
>
> I may have seduced Bruce with my food! I made blueberry muffins tonight.

You may catch a few more with those beauties...

In article >, says...
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 12:00:20 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I cook for mine, and freeze in portions. I always heat in the microwave
> >> until warm before I feed her. She eats good, meat, veggies, and a bit for
> >> rice occasionally, plus a TBS of cottage cheese and a tsp or so of
> >> pumpkin
> >> daily. I buy her meat in the reduced meat section so she gets a fair
> >> variety.
> >>
> >> Cheri
> >
> > Mostly, we don't cook for animals. However, we like to cook the animals.
>
> Please don't tell Bruce! Did you know that I think I need him?

Isn't the gardener enough to satisfy your needs?

Janet UK

On 10/23/2017 12:33 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>>> But dogs in the wild don't last as long as house pets.
>>
>> No, they have pretty rough lives.
>
> Hi Bruce! I think I neeeeeeeed you!

Sounds like a "3 Dog Night"...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKaQzQAlNn4

"open up the window sucka, let me catch my breath...'

On 10/23/2017 12:37 AM, Julie Bove wrote:
>
> "dsi1" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 12:00:20 PM UTC-10, Cheri wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I cook for mine, and freeze in portions. I always heat in the microwave
>>> until warm before I feed her. She eats good, meat, veggies, and a bit
>>> for
>>> rice occasionally, plus a TBS of cottage cheese and a tsp or so of
>>> pumpkin
>>> daily. I buy her meat in the reduced meat section so she gets a fair
>>> variety.
>>>
>>> Cheri
>>
>> Mostly, we don't cook for animals. However, we like to cook the animals.
>
> Please don't tell Bruce! Did you know that I think I need him?


Saw it comin' a mile away...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4vh-JHj0fY